Monster Arizona Strip Buck?

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Just heard of a monster buck being killed on the srip. Governors tags? Anyone got info on this...............better yet, anyone got pics?

AZG&F is the downfall of hunting in Arizona!!!!!
 
Maybe that's the buck being discussed in the other post by BigHungDog. If it is, it did not take long to get the Governor's license to the spot he identified on the big ridge and section 11.

Great buck. An awesome stud. I'll change my guess for the biggest buck in the MM contest to Arizona now.
 
WOW!!!! Thanks for the pic. I hear of something big like this getting killed and its eats at me to see a picture.

Congrats to the guy that got him.

AZG&F is the downfall of hunting in Arizona!!!!!
 
An Awesome animal, I guess BigHungDog wasn't smoking ashes. It says on the site it may be a non-typical Rocky Mountain record and gross at 265. Does anyone know if they used a rifle to get him?

Thanks for sharing, that's what dreams are made of.

Utaz
 
Awesome buck! does anybody know if this buck was quided by the muley crazy boys?
 
AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THANK YOU FOR SHARING AND MAKING US DREAM! ILL BE COUNTING DEER TONIGHT TO GO TO SLEEP. WHO WAS THE LUCKY GUY? SHARLIN "THE MEANING OF LIFE IS TO LIVE IT!"
 
I TOLD BHD TO KEEP IT QUIET BUT HE DIDN'T!!!

I'M AMAZED THERES A STATE THAT STARTS HUNTING BIG GAME EARLIER THAN UTARD!!!

THE ONLY bobcat WITH BUCK FEVER JUST LOOKING AT THE PHOTO!!!
 
What is the season for the Gov tag this year? A couple of years ago Dan could not hunt until Sept 1st if I'm not mistaken. We are still in the first week of August. I would have guessed them to have some more growing to do.

Drum
 
Wow, that's a Whopper of a Buck alright!!!
But, geeze, those season dates are a little whacked are they not? A full year. What's up with that? Yea, I'd love to whack a buck in April or May with just big balled up bases. Hell, August is early, but they could whack one in June and July????

http://sdana.photosite.com/DanasHuntingPics/
 
Keep in mind that those season dates are ONLY for the special Govenor's Tag holders, not general season dates BC. I think the idea is that they want to give the special tag holders first and last crack at any buck in the state, and with archery season starting in mid-late August they start this permit on the 1st.

Does anyone know if this was an auction tag, or a tag from the super raffle they just had? Drum, do you know if the dates are the same for the auction tags & super raffle? Just curious...

That's a big ol' buck! ;-)

S.

:)
 
I believe the dates are the same for all of those special tags. I do know for sure that it was 8/1 for the super raffle tag.
 
It was an auction tag, not the raffle. Can't wait to see the next two governor tag deer. Andrew
 
THEY CHANGED THE ARCHERY SEASON AND CUT US SHORT IT DOESNT START UNTIL SEPT 1ST :-( SHARLIN "THE MEANING OF LIFE IS TO LIVE IT!"
 
That's not a pisscutter.......that's a Maw-#####'r. Hope I see one like that come Nov. in 12AW late. D. Martin better have tire chains is all I can say.
 
I think they made the season 365 days because there is already a law saying you can't fly aircraft to hunt or scout while there is a big game season going on. Now there is always a big game season going on.
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-10-06 AT 05:54PM (MST)[p]Hey Mike, Hows it going?

I can not take credit for knowing about Az. laws. Bill and I were talking about it one day and he is the one that told me about the no flying law.
 
What a hog! I would love to hear the story. Gotta love seeing monster bucks.
WACAT
 
It does not affect the other hunters who want to fly before the regular season hunts start!
 
What I really want to know is what means where used to locate and harvest this toad. Chute planes, spotters on every ridge etc. A lot of you guys talk about flying before the hunts, thats really ethical and fair chase isn't it. let's get some rocket launchers and some heat seeking missles to put the odds in our favor. I hope you guys with shoot planes don't fly around too much, someone is liable to shoot you.
 
40incher, you are foaming at the mouth for no apparent reason. If you knew the AZ regulations you wouldn't be yakking your trap at the speed of stupidity. Jeez, you can't let this thing go. Do you know of something that happened that was illegal? Spit it out if you do!!
 
He's just one of those people who automatically thinks that just because the $100k tag holder killed a monster he HAD to do it illegaly. There was no other way it was killed. If you really want to know, call the guide or the hunter himself. Accuse them of killing it illegaly. I want you to show me one post, just one, where somebody on here said they have used a chute plane to locate game. Most people on here disagree with the practice. So for you to come here and say a lot of us talk about it, is just dumb. Show me one person who flys around before the hunts on here. Until then, shut up, chill out, and go p!ss and moan about how everybody but you is doing things wrong somewhere else. It sounds to me like you've got some serious issues with most hunters. What is your problem anyways?
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-29-06 AT 03:18PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Aug-29-06 AT 03:04?PM (MST)

Hey semon,
do you think somebody is going to write a post on chute planes, when they know damn we'll most hunters are against them. You guys that guide for big money think your really helping the wildlife. No I have issues when you never hear of a Govenors tag going unfilled. Why is that? I guess it's because the guides hire everybody they can think of to help locate these , big bucks. Hello, wake up, I'm still back to my point and that is what do you guys call fair chase hunting because if its joining the network I will sure as hell do it. It is physically impossible for 1 man to go out in the hills and consistantly produce monster bucks, by himself. Do you remember a while back there was a post of a guy saying he was against chute planes and the unfair chase tactics and all he got was crap from all the guides. It was the longest post in mm history. I'm just saying what happened to the 1x1 guide service. I guess I can complain about it until I'm blue in the face. Nothing is going to happen until the laws change. They will before to long, because there is a lot of hunters that are with me on this. Maybe if nothing ever changes I'll invest in a plane myself and just join the crowd in extinction of Wildlife.
 
"A lot of you guys talk about flying before the hunts"

"do you think somebody is going to write a post on chute planes, when they know damn we'll most hunters are against them."

So which is it? We either talk about it, or nobody is going to post about it? You contradict yourself.

Is it really that hard for you to understand? The Governors tag is always filled because it is an extremely long season and the guide has all season to look for the animal. Why do you all of a sudden assume this guy hired so many people to find this deer? Do you have proof?

Not sure where you get your information on how it is "physically impossible for 1 man to go out in the hills and consistantly produce monster bucks, by himself."

Again, you are wrong. I know several people who kill monster bucks every year, or every couple years. Have you ever heard of Randy Ulmer? He consistently kills big bucks. There are many people who do. It is called hard work and dedication.

Your the one who needs to wake up. Why are you so he!! bent on chute planes. Nobody has said they were used, nobody says they use them, and nobody has even talked about them. Except you. So show some proof. Your just
p!ssed because anther huge buck was killed and you didn't kill it. Whats the matter, did the guy out bid you for the tag? Get off it already.
 
Whatever happen to those big game writers and other affiliated people? Julius Fortuna, Steve Stayner, Ryan Hatch, etc.?
Operation Navajo Buck and other investigations brought out what chute planes and other methods were used to find these magnificent specimens. Sad that these practices are still being used.
 
Sorry, 40 incher, but I know personally MANY GOV tag holders who did NOT fill their tag! There you go again making statements and accusations that are not entirely true.

You should also know that the outfitters do NOT hire everybody to find a monster buck. They may "put it out there" that they will pay a finders fee IF they connect on a pisscutter. Hell, I could hire 500 people for a 100 bucks a day to go look for a monster. Everybody and their uncle Callahan would love a job like that. And yes, BUCKSPY, most would be high school dropout wanna be guides. Hehe

By the way I do know one person who can and does consistently produce monster bucks for his gov tag clients.

Also, the longest post here in MM land was not about Chute planes. It happened to be about pisscutters er...Turtle hunts.
 
Shedreg, are you serious? Stayner was found innocent by his peers, a jury!!! Hatch plead guilty to not having a companion permit. Do you firggin know how much money it cost to fight the Gov't and a over zealous fish cop?? Are you another envious liberal who happens to be jealous because you cannot consistenly kill big bucks?? Get you stories straight!
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-29-06 AT 04:43PM (MST)[p]No Seman,
your the one who contradicted yourself when you went along with the guy about the trick tanks and catchments not working in the king has left the building. Your saying that the 100,000 dollars goes to a good cause. If it was going towards the mule deer, dont you think these water sources would be fixed. Semon if you would have read the post of bubbas and shotgun you would know what the hell I'm talking about with the planes. The point is when you hear about these big bucks being killed, nobody every tells where or by what means it was taken. It's all a big secret. All I hear is a bunch of lunatics wanting photos, size of the horns and score. Nobody cares about how it was killed, who located it, how was it located and who shot it. You must be for this kind of practice. Last time I checked Randy Ulmer uses guides you moron. I'm not saying he is bad hunter, he is probably the best bow hunter ever. It dont matter your not going to get the points that I am trying to make, It's not sinking in, because you must be using these practices.
 
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>
>Also, the longest post here in
>MM land was not about
>Chute planes. It happened to
>be about pisscutters er...Turtle hunts.
>


No.. I think the longest thread on MM was about alittle pot smoking after a hunt.. Was it "youngbuck"??? That was the best thread of all time.. I wish someone would bring it to the top..
 
Hey Ridge,
are you one of the many spotters standing out on the ridge glassing for game, so you can get some money. There you go contradicting yourself again. The outfitters dont hire everybody to find a monster, but they put it out there to pay a finders fee. Tell me how that is not everybody out there looking. Hey Ridge, do you know what fair chase is? It sure as heck isn't putting a finders fee on a big buck. Maybe you need to take some hunters ethics courses. Oh, nobody knows what ehtics are.
 
Alright... lets see here...
"Ethic - the body of moral principals or values held by a governing culture, group or individual."


this was from P&Y
http://www.pope-young.org/fairchase.asp


The term "Fair Chase" shall not include the taking of animals under the following conditions:

Helpless in a trap, deep snow or water, or on ice.
From any power vehicle or power boat.
By "jacklighting" or shining at night.
By the use of any tranquilizers or poisons.
While inside escape-proof fenced enclosures.
By the use of any power vehicles or power boats for herding or driving animals, including use of aircraft to land alongside or to communicate with or direct a hunter on the ground.
By the use of electronic devices for attracting, locating, or pursuing game or guiding the hunter to such game, or by the use of a bow or arrow to which any electronic device is attached.
Any other condition considered by the Board of Directors as unacceptable.

-- I don't see anything about guides or outfitters in there. . . I've never hired guides. But I'm sure as heck not holding the governors tag either!!! If I were to spend $100,000s on a tag, I'd sure as heck get my money's worth! Now mind you I'm talking about a tag like the gov' tag, not some high fenced butt-backward in the middle of a road setup.
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-29-06 AT 07:44PM (MST)[p]Wow 40incher, real original. Your so clever you changed my name into a bodily fluid. What grade are you in again? So tell me exactly how I contradicted myself, put my exact words on here, and show me how I went along with the guy about trick tanks. Show me where I once said the money goes directly to mule deer. Who's the moron now? I asked you to show me the post about chute planes. Instead you say I should know which one it is. Well, if I ask you to show it to me, obviously I don't know which one it is, so show me. Again, who's the moron. Did you not read what was written about this buck. IT WILL BE IN A MAGAZINE. That is why the pictures and the story is not out. Once again, who's the moron. Why is it your business who found it, how it was found, and who shot it. Bottom line is its none of your business unless the hunter wants it to be. You must not know Randy Ulmer very well, he has taken many large animals WITHOUT the help of a guide. Yep, your right I do use these practices. I'm up in a chute plane every day at daylight
 
FYI, NO I'am not one of those spotters standing on the ridge glassing for big game. If I was, I sure in the hell wouldn't be standing, I would be sitting! What do you mean I'am contradicting myself again?

Man, you've got some envy issues buddy. Take a deep breath and relax. It's okay that your neighbor next door has a newer and better house and truck than you. And, I bet he worked his arse off for it. This is America the land of oppurtunity. So..please, not so much hatred.
 
Ridge and Sremim
apparently I have hit a hot button with you guys. your telling me I have issues. You guys are just pissed off because you can't handle the truth. Your right I have a lot of issues when it comes to hunting because our sport is going in the wrong direction. Until people make a stand, nothing will ever be done about it. I really should'nt target you guys because its like beating a dead horse. The G&F is the target, we need stricter laws on the outfitters and the amounts of money being made on Wildlife.
 
>LAST EDITED ON Aug-29-06
>AT 07:44?PM (MST)
>
You must
>not know Randy Ulmer very
>well, he has taken many
>large animals WITHOUT the help
>of a guide.


Different arguement here, but doesnt he use Greg K. quite a bit?
 
Its about time that we just agree to disagree. We wont change your mind about Gov Tags and you wont change ours.

A couple of years ago I was really fortunate to be able to be on a Governers Tag hunt. I drove 1400 miles round trip to be able to spend time with friends that I dont get to see very often. As a bonus I was able to lay eyes on the biggest buck I will ever see. I did all of this on my dime, nobody reimbursed me for my time or my gas. In fact, there were about 8 other people in camp that did the same thing and did not receive or expect anything for it. We did it because we are very passionate about spending time with good friends and chasing the biggest mule deer we can find.

I have sat back and listened to stories about how anybody associated with a Gov Tag hunt is a greedy, money hungry, natural resource stealing SOB and I have bit my tongue. Some people do things because they love it! Some of you people think that if a big deer hits the ground then there must have been money or greed behind it. I sincerely wish you would wake up and realize that this is not the case. I am not saying that it never happens but the majority of the time these people spend time out looking and hunting because they cant think of doing anything else with their free time.

I am sick and tired of hearing how bad some of you have it! Its all some of you ever post about is how nothing is fair. Governers tags aren't fair, guides and outfitter aren't fair, landowner permits aren't fair, its rediculous! I have a freaking news flash for you, LIFE AINT ALWAYS FAIR! This is America, if a guy has the coin to buy something bigger and better than what you have then you need to get over it. Thats about the nuts and bolts of the whole arguement right there.

If you dont like the way the system works then go somewhere that meets all of your criteria of what is "fair". I am just sick and ##### tired of hearing about it. Sew up your vaginal orifices, grab a prozac and a kleenex and go hunt.

Drum
 
I would not say that he "uses" Greg as much as he hunts with Greg. They are both about as good as it gets. Greg is one of the best guides out there and Randy is the best bowhunter out there. They have both found animals for each other in the past and will continue to do so in the future.

Drum
 
Sonora,
If you're sick of it then don't read the post. Coin shouldn't be buying animals period!!!!!
 
I just want someone to admit that the best and longest thread of all time was Youngbucks... MAN THAT WAS GREAT...

J-
 
Sonora,
That's it. That's your best comeback. You said above "if a guy has the coin to buy something bigger and better than what you have then you need to get over it." Wow!! What is going through your brain. Do you believe in ethics of any kind? Or is it just the thrill of the kill for individuals like you?
 
I dont know if it was the all time greatest, definately one of the top threads ever! The toolbox thread and the bong thread are my top 2.

Drum
 
Why dont you tell me about people like me? I am all ears, this is going to be great!

Drum
 
Drum

Don't you have something better to do then argue with these bull headed people. They will never get it, and I guess that is alright because, it takes all types to make the world go round. Keep up the good work. Maybe I will run into you in old Mexico this year. I will be there from the 5th to the 25th of Jan. I will give you a call later.

Can't we all get along

Steve
 
"for individuals like you? "

I highly dount sonora deserved that.

The funny thing is, there is an old saying "You get what you pay for". As long as people have money, we will always have something to complain about.
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Later, Brandon
 
For you guys that are so against these gov. tag hunters, most of these guys are a hell of a lot better hunters then most of us will ever be. They have also worked a lot harder then most of us have to get where they are.I know a lot of these guys and they have left many of these tags unfilled. Two of these guys who have bought many of these tags, one of them owns a gravel business, the other started out doing fire remodel jobs now how many of you are willing to put in the hours required to become sucessful in these lines of work, its out there for everybody. get off your lazy asses and go to work and maybe you can buy a gov. tag. I have bought them myself and have bid on several and when I could walk I seen big bucks every year hunting by myself.
 
bigmoosie,
it takes a real hunter to show up and shoot a buck that someone else has worked to find them. Who really cares what they do for a living. If they were real hunters they would buy the gov tag, hunt and kill the big buck by themselves.
 
Drum, I guess people just don't get it that TRUE monster buck afficianados(sp)will sacrafice their time and money to witness a truly rare pisscutter hit the ground! $hit this is Monster Muleys not Chilidink Muleys.

To kill a buck of a lifetime it takes money, luck, dedication and time. Ask Leon how many days he hunted north of the Ditch last year before he killed his Gov tag deer. I believe it was something like 45 days. Some kind of slam duck.

It's OK to admit that your a tad bit jealous boys. Hell, I'am jealous that they have more dinero than I and can afford to buy these tags. But, I would never put them down for there generosity and dedication to the wildlife. These guys are not the Ted Kennedy types who inherited daddys money (or stole it from the Govt) but, are types that have earned it thru extremely hard work and good fortune.
 
Shedreg, my last two sentences in post 39 were meant to be for 40incher. Please accept my apols. Thanks
 
No problemo, no apologies needed.
I'm a true blue African American, served my country,
eat meat, drink beer and have good friends and familia.
This is a great thread, but sorry to see it go off the
initial subject of a great buck that was harvested!
I like to look at the old pictures of the "good ol'e days",
in the 50's and 60's and seems we are living those days
again, seeing these big bucks harvested, etc.
It would be great to see all the funds from the gov.
tags to go to the mule deer, sadly they don't, as there
is much "overhead" in state agencies, etc.
Almost like the UN! You wanna help my fellow countrymen
in Africa and you give to these relief agencies, only
a fraction really goes to them. Same scenario.
 
Huntsonora,
Well said. I agree.

40incher,
So what you are saying is that every hunter who hires a guide is no longer a real hunter because he's not out there doing it by himself? Your just jealous that he shot your 40incher.
 
Here's a question for you guys. Is there any other sport out there besides hunting that you can buy your way to the top? If you ask me, I think these money tags are degrading the sport we all love and are so passionate about. Just my opinion.
 
Say the guy paid 50,000 for the tag and hunt.. (I know it might be more)... He kills a BUCK OF TWENTY LIFETIMES... I spend $1,000 on hunts in NM and AZ and I never see a buck like that... I hunt for 50 years.. So over my life I probably will spend as much as him but all I have to show for it is a bunch of dinkers.. :)

Who is the smart one?

J-
 
your right I'm jealous that he shot the big buck I've been watching. The real thing is, is that you guys are turning the hunting sport into a circus. Do you guys have a purple suit and a top hat to wear when your out there. You are trying to justify your actions when all it boils down to is, nothing will be changed until the laws are changed, so for now I guess your practices of fair chase are okay. I have been beating this fence to long, maybe I'll just have to cross the fence and join you. My first investment will have to be a plane. Hell, I'll be able to locate everything in sight with that. I can make a living, just taking hunters up. We'll be able to find a lot of big bucks and charge all the guides finders fees. We could make a butt load of MONEY......
 
I don't know if hunting has become cicus but it is a competition... that is just human nature... and some people have more resources than others..
good or bad??? It is what it is...

j-
 
Duh duh dadada duh duh duh duh. Duh duh dadada duh duh duh duh. Purple suit and top hat. That's some funny stuff LOL. Put a tent over it. It is a circus. The competition is whoever has the most money wins!!! Whoo hooo!!!!
 
What the hell are you talking about? What laws need to be changed? The law that allows a Governor tag holder to hunt when others can't? What actions have we done? WHERE IS YOUR PROOF THAT ANYBODY USED A PLANE, PAID FINDERS FEES, OR DID ANYTHING ELSE? You don't have any. So to b!tch and moan the way you are is stupid. What if you had shot it during a season, posted about it, then WITHOUT knowing what happened, you were accused of paying people, using planes, etc. All this talk about using planes and you have no proof. Where is it? You must see a lot of people flying, because I hardly ever see any. What is our practices of fair chase you are saying are ok? You make all these accusations with nothing to back it up with. Until you show proof of everything you say or think happened, you are just wasting your time. What are we trying to justify? The only thing I am trying to justify is you DON'T know what happened. When you prove that everything done was "wrong" I will recant everything I said and buy you lunch. Until then, get over it and quit whining because somebody go to "your" deer first.
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-30-06 AT 01:22PM (MST)[p]Hey sremim,
if you would read the post #23, #26, #28 and #37 you could clue yourself in on whats going on with the planes. If you remember, it all started with the planes with Fortuna and Hatch. I guess everybody still supports this practice. I wonder do you even read the posts I've been posting all along. DUH!
 
i hate to say it 40incher but i really think you need to give on hunting this topic could give you a heart attach, i am all for the gov tags for wildlife hell i have killed some book animals including one that is #4 in the world and i dont make s@#! for money and i raise my two kids by my self.this money goes to good things for wildlife hell if you want the state can do all its waterhole projects and transplants of goats and sheep and send you the bill then they dont have to acution off the tags every year i am really tired of seeing this thread go were it has so everyone is allowed to have there own opion, but as the old saying goes opinons are like as@ holes every one has one just some stink worse then others so do us all a favor and quit whining or stop hunting so that will give everyone else another tag to go after and havest something.sorry guys but i have finally fed up with this topic lets move on to things that we all care about (MULE DEER)
 
So what your saing 40incher, is that everybody who now shoots a large mule deer, must have used a plane. Thats the only way anybody can kill a big deer. Except you of course. I've read your posts, I asked for proof that these guys you are accusing, did what you think they did. You must be related to Safarikid, which if so, it wont be long. I'm done wasting my time on something so stupid. See ya.
 
SOMETHEN WILL CHANGE THIS YEAR.

I WILL MAKE THE BOOKS AS THE NUMBER 2 TYPICAL !

I HAVE HIM SPOTTED FROM LAST WINTER UP AT 9000 FEET ON SOME ALMOST VERTICAL STEEP ARSE HILL . WITH CLIFFS SURROUNDING HIS PERIMETER. WANNA KNOW WHY HE IS STILL ALIVE HE'S A SMART SOB.
YES HE IS ON THE WASATCH FRONT IN A THICKED PINED BASIN BETWEEN LITTLE , AND BIG . YET YOU STILL WON'T FIND THIS ELUSIVE ALOMST DIENG OF OLD AGE BUCK!
RATED AT 7 1/2 , OR 8 1/2 THIS YEAR


THE ONLY HUNTERCAMERON WHO WATCH HIM WINTER IN 3 FEET OF SNOW !!
 
You know what hunter1, where the heck is hunter2. Dont read the posts if you dont like whats being said. Keep your opinion to yourself. About sending me the bill, I would be happy to pay a little extra for MULE DEER every year, if thats what it was going towards.
 
Obviously Sremim,
your not reading what I said or your not comprehending it. I never said that everybody who shoots a large mule deer has used a plane. I guess safarikid must have had stood up for what you and I both know is right.
 
Yah, I guess there is a lot of pressure for the guides to produce for there fees. So use any means possible to bag that big buck.
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-30-06 AT 02:54PM (MST)[p]OK, here is my .02 worth, if I had the money just laying around, I would love to buy a Gov. tag but I personaly would not hire a guide unless the law required it. My best friend and I prefer to hunt on our own or with other close friends and family, we prefer to do it on our own. We have even gone on hunts in areas we have never seen before the hunt, but we learn quick, and have a good time learning new country. Some times we do good and other times we don't see much, and come home empty handed, but we always have a good time. I just feel that if I hired a guide, that I was not the one doing the hunting, but that is just my opinion, and it does'nt bother me if someone wants to hire a guide for themselves, as long as the guide/outfitter does not try and keep me out of any areas of the unit that I am legally allowed to hunt.
BOL,
Kim
BS Hunting Club Co-founder
 
The commission tags are not going to go away, they raise too much badly needed money for wildlife and at least here in AZ every single dime goes back into habitat improvement, restoration or water improvements for that particular species. Not one red cent goes to the organizations that sell or auction them. Sounds like alot of pent up jealosy burning in a few individuals. Give me a break - the you're not a hunter if you hire a guide theory I've heard carries no weight at all. If you don't build you're own home you are not a real homeowner, if you don't build your own truck you are not a real driver, or if you don't prepare your own food you're not a real eater. Get over it, people hire guides to help them with their hunts to increase their chance of success or they may be unfamiliar with the area or don't have unlimited amounts of time to scout, or all the above and they like meeting new people, making new friends etc., etc. I'm friends with and have known many commission tag holders and many of them can hunt circles around the bulk of hunters out there and not all of them have elected to take an animal in the end. In Az the G&F gives out a couple tags every year for each species, they raise alot of money that gets put to good use that benefits all wildlife and all hunters in the long run, it doesn't affect the health or status of the herds one Iota. Where's the beef ? I don't get it. Sounds like jealosy, nothing more to me.
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-30-06 AT 11:18PM (MST)[p]Hey wetmule,
I really dont care if they hire a guide, its just the fact that when they hire one, they have a network of guys all looking for the biggest buck. FAIR CHASE ISSUE. Have you even been reading the posts or are you one of those guys who just waits and then gives your 2 cents worth at the end when you really dont know whats going on. Where can you see the money going to good use, explain. A lot of you can just say that it goes to a good cause, frankly I really don't think you care where the money goes. Just because they pay 100,000 for a tag dont mean the money is going where it is needed. They get all this money and they can't even fix the broken water tanks. I'm tired of explaining myself to guys like you, read the posts.
 
your right I'm jealous that he shot the big buck I've been watching.

Watching?

life IS good
 
Yea 40", you are right I'm one of those guys that doesn't know jack and I just come in at the end to give my two cents. If you do a little research, maybe even call the Dept., I'm sure with a little effort you can get a list of all the projects and see just exactly where all the money is going and what has been fixed and what is on schedule to be fixed, it's pretty extensive. Have fun
 
He don't need to do any research. He knows it all without getting facts. He's one of them almighties who can do it all, and who knows it all. And has some kind of issue that everybody who kills a big buck with a guide must have used a plane or 30 people to find it.
 

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Sweet Velvet COW for Hunt4fun96
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Big Texas Muley
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Mega Monster Muley
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Wide, Long Tined Super Buck
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