Shoot does!!!! (please)

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Saskman just reminded me of what I feel is an important point when it comes to growing mature bucks in an area. Shoot does (female deer)!!!!! (where it is legal)
It seems most guys I know are all gung-ho about harvesting a certain size buck, (weather it be 140, 180 or 200) until the season is nearing an end, then their trigger (or archery glove fingers) get itchy and they shoot a 1 1/2 or 2 1/2 yr. old buck when it was perfectly legal to harvest a doe to feed the family. There is nothing wrong with harvesting a doe (or female fawn)and letting the younger bucks grow a little. If you are not proud of the antlers the deer you are looking at has, dont shoot him (unless you need the meat) when a doe is perfectly legal to take.
Dont get me wrong, a forkforn or 2 1/2 yr old buck is an awesome trophy depending on what your "standards" are, and if thats what you work for, and appreciate, thats great. But DO NOT take a buck that youre not proud of, just because it is a buck, instead of a doe.
I see too many 20" 4x4 racks laying out in somones yard with the dog chewing on them in areas where does are legal to harvest. Real men arent afraid to shoot does!

life IS good
 
I'd rather eat my tag, I guess if you have to kill something it's ok but probably 2% of us really need the meat. for what hunting cost me I could buy LOTS of meat if that was what I needed.
 
Thats great! Guess I should have said, eat does (or your tag) Either way, Bucky Jr. gets to live another year. I havent harvested a muley buck in a decade, but our families freezer is always full of low fat, steroid free game meat. Do we NEED it? We could probably go to the grocery store and purchase the junk alot of folks do. NEED is a pretty harsh word. Do any of us NEED to hunt at all?
I would hope most of us can put some trust in our local game management system. If they would like you to harvest female deer, it may be for good reason. (not always, but it MAY be) Why eat your tag? (and whatever else you may be digesting with store bought meat?)

life IS good
 
DO NOT SHOOT DOES!!!

lifeisgood!!!

I'M DRAWING THE LINE!!!

THATS ONE OF THE PROBLEMS HERE IN UTARD!!!

THEY HUNTED THE BUCKS TO SUCH A LOW POPULATION THEY DECIDED TO SLAUGHTER THE DOES TOO!!!

NOTHING PISSES ME OFF WORSE THAN A LATE DOE HUNT!!!

OH YA,AN EARLY DOE HUNT!!!

LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION???

IF YOU WERE RAISING DOMESTIC ANIMALS & YOU HAD 500 HEAD OF THE FEMALE SPECIES BUT ONLY HAD ONE BUCK OR BULL & YOU WERE TRYING TO IMPROVE THE HERD WOULD YOU???

A-TRY FINDING A WAY TO GET ANOTHER 3-4 BUCKS OR BULLS???

B-OR JUST START SLAUGHTERING THE FEMALES BECAUSE THE MALE TO FEMALE RATIO IS OUT OF BALANCE???

NOW OUR DWR HAS TRIED PLAB "B",WHEN THAT HAPPENS YOU AIN'T GOT $HIT LEFT!!!

NOW I AGREE WITH NOT SHOOTING THE YOUNGER BUCKS,BUT YOU'VE GOT TO SAVE THE DOES ALSO,ITS CALLED EATING TAG SOUP AS MENTIONED ABOVE!!!

AND FOR THE BOYS THAT HUNT BECAUSE THEY NEED THE MEAT,I THINK THEM DAYS HAVE BEEN GONE FOR A LONG TIME!!!

I'M GONNA ASK YOU REAL NICE TO WAKE THE HELL UP,PLEASE!!!

SHOOTING THE DOES IS NOT THE ANSWER,DO YOU REALIZE WHAT THE SURVIVAL RATE OF THE FAWNS ARE HERE IN UTARD WHEN THEY ARE BORN IN JUNE & BOWHUNTERS CAN LEAGALLY SHOOT THE MOTHER 2 MONTHS LATER???

DID YOU EVER THINK OF THAT???

ITS LIKE KILLING 2-3 DEER WITH ONE ARROW,I CAN HEAR IDIOTS BRAGGING ON THAT ONE BUT IT MAKES ME FLAT ASS SICK!!!

SO THINK IT OUT A LITTLE BEFORE YOU START SHOOTING DOES!!!

IF YOU LOST YOUR MOTHER AT AGE 2 MONTHS OLD WHAT WOULD OF BEEN YOUR CHANCES FOR SURVIVAL OFFENDING FOR YOURSELF???

I'M NOT BASHING YOU,JUST WANTING YOU TO THINK IT OUT A LITTLE!!!

THE ONLY bobcat WITH THE TRUE MEANING OF PISSCUTTER:SUB TROPHY QUALITY OF THE SPECIES,IF YOU USE THE WORD PISSCUTTER YOU'D BETTER KNOW WHAT IT MEANS OR EVERY M.M. MEMBER & EVERY PERSON ON THE WWW WILL BE LAUGHING THEIR ASSES OFF AT YOU!!!
 
RE: DO NOT SHOOT DOES!!!

I'm going to try to shoot EVERY doe I see this fall! Lucky for me I have a pocket full of tags and no shortage of deer. :) I think 6 sounds like a good round number...

I'd rather shoot the yearling instead of the doe with fawns BTW.

Before you all get your panties in a wad... these deer are the 'sub-urban' whitetail variety. Very few hunters and a bludgeoning population. buck to doe ratio is pretty high, even though the average age of any given buck is 2 years.

OTOH, when it comes to mule deer. I've shot two does in 17 years of hunting, and have gone many seasons without killing a mulies buck. In MT, many areas you can kill a whitetail doe on your buck tag if you need the meat, but I'd just as soon shoot any whitetail buck and help the mulies out a little.

Bessy where would the 'extra' bucks come from?

If I was a farmer and had one bull and 500 cows... I'd sell off as many cows as it took to be able to afford enough bulls to service all the cows. Its really not that difficult to understand is it?
 
RE: DO NOT SHOOT DOES!!!

Wow, thats a pretty harsh statement " real men shoot does." Well what if you can't legally shoot a doe without a doe tag? and all you got is a buck tag. Does that mean I am less of a man because I didn't hurry up and get a leftover doe tag for my area so I can shoot one? So what if I shoot a small buck, its my decision to do so (not likely). Who are you to tell people what they should and shouldn't shoot? You are directing this comments to the wrong crowd, you should be directing them to you G&F Dept. so they can fix the problem.
 
>I'd rather eat my tag, I
>guess if you have to
>kill something it's ok but
>probably 2% of us really
>need the meat. for what
>hunting cost me I could
>buy LOTS of meat if
>that was what I needed.
>


My thoughts exactly!!!
If you want meat, shoot a doe, leave the little bucks for those that want to eventually shoot a big buck!

Lien2
 
RE: DO NOT SHOOT DOES!!!

BOBCAT, No offence taken, I know where you are coming from and didnt mean to speak for management in areas I am not farmiliar with.
Note "disclaimer" from my earlier post....If they would like you to harvest female deer, (local game departments) it may be for good reason. (not always, but it MAY be) I too, do not agree with ALL of the management practices for game in the west.
When I said the game department "dosent always" have a good reason for aking you to harvest does, I was particularly singling out "hidden population control" That is pretty much catering to the rancers/farmers as opposed to the hunters (and SELECTIVE hunters. Your game department wont always come out and say "WE WANT LESS DEER IN AN AREA, ALOT LESS" Sometimes though, for whatever reason that may be the case, and they will come up with a way to make it happen that is occasionally miscountrued as "poor management" when ultimately, they are making happen what is their "unsaid goal"
Also, note that I THINK female fawns are good to shoot (again IF you think your local game dept is justified in asking you to do so) I would shoot a female fawn next to a doe (IF, again IF I really needed the meat) just for the reason you stated. The fawns survival rate will be much lower without the doe. Im sure there is somone out there in MM that is educated and familiar with modern German Game Management and how selective they are with having hunters harvest SPECIFIC AGES (and sexes) of game. I was taught years ago by a German official the statistics on "grim fawn/calf survival rate) when the mother is harvested.
If you read my ORIGINAL POST carefully, and my response in the archery forum to SASKMAN's statement that he will "put a couple does in the freezer" towards the end of season, instead of arrowing a buck he would like to grow up, you will see I AM NOT hoping everyone will run out and slay a bunch of does just because they can!!!
I Said....

IF YOU NEED THE MEAT...
IF ITS LEGAL.......
IF YOU FEEL THE YOUR LOCAL GAME DEPT. IS ASKING YOU TO DO SO FOR A GOOD REASON....
IF YOU ARE GOING TO THROW YOUR LITTLE BUCK RACK TO THE DOGS BECAUSE YOURE NOT PROUD OF IT....
IF THE ONLY REASON YOU ARE SHOOTING A LITTLE BUCK INSTEAD OF A DOE IS BECAUSE OF A MACHO THING.....

THEN SHOOT DOES!!!!!!!!!!!! Seems like "shoot does" is the only thing you and alot of others read.

By the way, for your info, I havent harvested a mule deer doe in over 20 years (and I have had the chance to legally), every year. We fill our freezer with archery whitetail does. (they are swarming like flies where I live) We can take a half dozen and I FEEL, for good managemnt reasons, therefore I do!!!!

OPEN YOUR EARS GUYS, READ ALL OF MY POST!!!! My apologies if I implied I was telling you how to manage the herd in YOUR BACKYARD I am not farmiliar with.
BUT DONT CRY ABOUT THERE NOT BEING ANY MATURE BUCKS AROUND WHEN YOUR WHACKIN ALL THE TWO YEAR OLDS!!!!!

Im glad I made this post. It enlightens me on everyones thoughts (both directed and undirected, justified and not) and the mentallity that shooting does is taboo in some areas.

life IS good
 
RE: DO NOT SHOOT DOES!!!

sremim,
Read my entire post. Im pretty sure I mentioned something about IF ITS LEGAL TO DO SO. Is the only part of my post ANYONE read was the "shoot does" part???? Guess at least I got some people to read it.

life IS good
 
RE: DO NOT SHOOT DOES!!!

BOBCAT,
Your "controlled/fenced" enviorment, or "raised" animal example is a good one.
Remember ONE IMPORTANT FACTOR though. The total # of animals an area (weather it be enclosed or not) can sustain.
You surely wouldnt want to shoot the one buck you have (and what a happy, tired buck he would be) but IF the area you had to raise these deer was condusive to supporting only 501 deer in entirety, you darn well better make room for some more bucks. (Either introduced or birthed)
A good example of this is Ted Turners Flying D and his constant headbutting with MTFWP over wanting Joe Pulic to come in and control his burgeoning cow herd to make room for $12,000 bulls, but not letting them near the bulls.
I believe the FWP has pulled out of that cow hunt all together and pretty much told Ted..... "If you think its your entire herd to manage, then manage it yourself" (all of them)
My point is, there are SEVERAL factors involved in deer management, lets not forget "sustainability and stability of a certain area/ecosystem" is an important factor.

life IS good
 
If someone NEEDS the meat, why wouldnt they prefer to shoot a doe? They are much better tasting. Someone could argue that bucks are bigger bodied but I'd much rather have 60 lbs of GREAT meat than 75 lbs of good meat. And, yes, some may really need the meat for financial reasons, but lets be honest, theres not a whole lot of you. If we can spend thousands of dollars on our equipment....enough said! Me personally, I would NEVER eat a tag. That would be a waste of $$. I would take a doe before taking a small buck.
 
I'd like to see ALL doe hunts in Utah stopped. All depredation and mitigation tags removed!

Then lets start transplanting the excess does to areas of the state in bad shape. The influx of new genes alone would help the species. I know transplanting has a certain mortality %, but even if it were as high as 30% It would do alot of deer absent areas some good.



-DallanC
 
I guess we shoot does not only for freezer meat, but also at the request of several ranchers who allow us to hunt. The meat is great, not wasted, and shared with many families. The ranchers appreciate the reduction in the deer herd. All does legally taken and tagged.

I'd like to think we're doing our part for nature, the rancher, and the local encomy in the city we lodge, eat, drink, etc....

Hunting is a personal decision, as is the decision to harvest a buck, doe, fawn, squirrel, duck, goose.... personal!!
 
Whew, finally some folks that see where I am coming from. I thought I was gonna get hanged their for a minute.

life IS good
 
FINALLY!!!

DallaC HAS SOMETHING COME OUT OF HIS SMART MOUTH THAT MAKES SENSE!!!

IF THERE IS A "DOE PROBLEM" LETS MOVE THEM INSTEAD OF KILLING THEM!!!

lifeisgood!!!

WE DON'T HAVE AN OVER RUN OF DEER HERE!!!

WE DON'T NEED TO SLAUGHTER DEER HERE!!!

THE ONLY THING WORSE THAN A PISSCUTTER SHOOTER IS A DOE SHOOTER!!!

LETS HAVE SOME ETHICS BOYS,GOOD ETHICS THAT IS!!!

THE ONLY bobcat WITH THE TRUE MEANING OF PISSCUTTER:SUB TROPHY QUALITY OF THE SPECIES,IF YOU USE THE WORD PISSCUTTER YOU'D BETTER KNOW WHAT IT MEANS OR EVERY M.M. MEMBER & EVERY PERSON ON THE WWW WILL BE LAUGHING THEIR ASSES OFF AT YOU!!!
 
And how do you guys propose to transplant say 4000 Deer??? You think the DWR is greeedy now, just wait until they have to spend many, many millions of $$$ darting and moving Deer.



 
Tony!!!

ARE YOU A DOE SHOOTER???

LETS NOT PUT ONE RED CENT INTO MOVING A FEW BURNT OUT GENES AROUND!!!

LETS LET THE INTER-BREEDING CONTINUE!!!

THE LATE "DOE SHOOTER" HUNTS IN CURRENT CREEK ARE BULL$HIT & I DON'T CARE IF YOU LIKE IT OR NOT!!!

THE ONLY bobcat WITH THE TRUE MEANING OF PISSCUTTER:SUB TROPHY QUALITY OF THE SPECIES,IF YOU USE THE WORD PISSCUTTER YOU'D BETTER KNOW WHAT IT MEANS OR EVERY M.M. MEMBER & EVERY PERSON ON THE WWW WILL BE LAUGHING THEIR ASSES OFF AT YOU!!!
 
Some places ARE overrun with deer, maybe not by you BOBCAT, but thats just ONE ecosystem. I (along w/257) was wondering about the transplant thing too, including the expense. How do they go about it? bait the wintering grounds with an enclosed fence type thing? Wheres Marlin perkins and his faithful Anaconda wrestling sidekick Big Jim when you need them? Is anyone familiar with how you go about trapping and transplating large quantities of deer? Very curious to know, and hoping it is succesfull and worth the 10 billion dollar price tag. Oh, I forgot what I said in response to Steves post.....
PRICELESS!!!!!

life IS good
 
BOBCAT, There ARE other mule deer populations in the west besides Utah. It sounds like some changes in management would be beneficial in your area, I can sympathise with that, but then there is "the rest of the West"

life IS good (and so is doe tenderloin seared in virgin olive oil, fresh minced Garlic and a splash of 95 Merlot) MMMMM!!
 
Real men don't need to shoot does, or little bucks for that matter! If you are looking for deer to feed your family, do the math on buying a whole or side of beef. My cousin is typical of those folks that feel that they "have to get a deer" to make it through the winter. He makes a very good living and can afford to buy meat. However, every year he b!tches about spending $1,000+ on fuel and beer to go hunting across the state. He usually shoots a tiny buck that is that years neighborhood pet during late season (or slightly after). I offer to raise a beef for him for just the cost of feed ( a couple hunred bucks) but it is too much. I dont get it. $1,000+ for maybe 60-70lbs of deer vs 500+ lbs of prime, grain-fed, no steroid beef. I think that most of the folks that shoot little bucks or does do it for their ego more than for the meat. There are exceptions, but not that many. I have no problem with folks shooting does in over-populated areas or where the doe to buck ratio is way out of wack, but to settle for one just to avoid "eating a tag" is lame to me.
Eric
 
I think I mentioned this before. Do we really NEED the meat? Not most of us. Do certain herds NEED to be culled? Most likely, (does too) If your talking NEED Eric, do any of us really NEED to hunt at all? (for anything) Probably not. There are OTHER benefits to wild game meat besides the avaliability to some. My family is healthy and grateful for what we take from the wild and put on our table. (does too)

life IS good
 
What lame is NOT filling your tag with a doe if you enjoy eating venison and the deer herd can handle it. Whats wrong with taking does IF the herd can afford it? Everyone knows that F & G is not going to transplant. Step into reality!
 
Polarbear said..."I offer to raise a beef for him for just the cost of feed ( a couple hunred bucks) but it is too much. I dont get it. $1,000+ for maybe 60-70lbs of deer vs 500+ lbs of prime, grain-fed, no steroid beef.

Hey cousin Pbear, this is cousin eelgrass! Where do I send the couple hundred bucks? LOL!

I think harvesting does is alright if done in the context that lifeisgood has been trying to present (very diligently I might add, lol). If done CORRECTLY and for THE RIGHT REASONS it is good management. Lots of cow elk are harvested each year. I don't hear much whining about that.

A pisscutter doe makes a nice trophy too! LOL!

Steve
 
WELL!!!

HERE IN UTARD WE AIN'T OVER RUN WITH WHITEYS!!!

NOR ARE WE OVER RUN WITH MULE DEER DOES!!!

IF YOU LIVED HERE lifeisgood YOU'D CHANGE YOUR TUNE!!!

LET ME ASK YOU THIS!!!

WHEN YOU POP ONE OF THEM DOES & YOU REALIZE YOU JUST KILLED ONE OR TWO FAWNS TOO,HOW DOES THAT MAKE YOU FEEL???

I HOPE YOU FEEL REAL GOOD!!!

I AIN'T NEVER SHOT A DAMN DOE & I'M GONNA BE ALOT HUNGRIER THAN I AM NOW BEFORE I'M RECOGNIZED AS A "DOE SHOOTER"!!!

PROBABLY TASTE BETTER,I DON'T REALLY KNOW THOUGH!!!

I'M GONNA SEND YOU A BOTTLE OF MIDOL & A SIX PACK OF BEER!!!

COOL IT BIG GUY,SEASONS HERE!!!

THE ONLY bobcat WITH THE TRUE MEANING OF PISSCUTTER:SUB TROPHY QUALITY OF THE SPECIES,IF YOU USE THE WORD PISSCUTTER YOU'D BETTER KNOW WHAT IT MEANS OR EVERY M.M. MEMBER & EVERY PERSON ON THE WWW WILL BE LAUGHING THEIR ASSES OFF AT YOU!!!
 
Steve!!!

IF TUFF BUFF TAKES A DOE,I GUESS HE'D CALL IT A PISSCUTTER,HUH???

THE ONLY bobcat WITH THE TRUE MEANING OF PISSCUTTER:SUB TROPHY QUALITY OF THE SPECIES,IF YOU USE THE WORD PISSCUTTER YOU'D BETTER KNOW WHAT IT MEANS OR EVERY M.M. MEMBER & EVERY PERSON ON THE WWW WILL BE LAUGHING THEIR ASSES OFF AT YOU!!!
 
Reality?
Why in the world would it be lame not to fill your tag? Is your ego so bad that it wont allow you to fail? It is just a deer tag. I enjoy the hell out of venison, but I'll be damned if I'm going to go out and shoot just any legal deer just to be able to say that I "got one fur the freezer".
Eric
 
Oh my what RETARDS ! Oh excuse me Utards have we not looked at a map lately there is land other than Utah out there Bessy tke a Vicoden and a six pack or I will sick UDDERDELITE on your booty! Lol J/K
 
BOBCAT... YOU ARE STUBBORN!!! Hey, wait a minute so am I. My original post is not about singleing out YOUR doe herd and slaughtering them all!!!! Read everything gosh darnit! Again, the does I am shooting are whitetail does, but from what I understand MULE DEER DOES can stand to be culled in some areas as well (at least in farmer browns opinion) Maybe not in your stompin ground, but in SOME AREAS!!!
How does it make me feel when I double lung whitetail doe # 5 for the season with a 2 blade zwicky? More indifferent that excited or extatic I guess, I got to spend time in the outdoors, put a seven dollar tag on some steroid free low fat meat and hopefully spare somones hood, bumper (or possible life) from a vehicle (car/truck/motorcycle) collision.
Several hundred whitetails are killed on a small stretch of 2 lane highway near my home each year. Yes, several hundred. (no bs!!!) Add that up in vehicle repairs, lost work, and injuries (to humans) Probably not as much $$ as a GOVT deer transplant operation, but a chunk of change regardless.
Again, I understand shooting a doe with a standing fawn, especially a young one, can be detramental to the fawn, and obviously the doe will not live to bear any more offspring. Did you read my post about German game management and how some of the game you MUST harvest in your hunting area (by law) is fawns and calfs?
If I have a good shot at both the doe and her female fawn, I will shoot the fawn. Now thats morbid to some, but the doe will live to produce more fawns (probably, unless she is hit on the highway the next day) and the fawn is put to good use (along with minced garlic, virgin olive oil and 95 Merlot)

life IS good (especially where we are over run with tastey does!!!)
 
Since this is Monster Muleys let's say we're talking about mule deer, nowhere in the 8 states I hunt in have I seen so many mule deer that shooting a doe would be a great idea .if there's no over population of deer in a area there's no way to justify shooting does or dink bucks, those who do are just looking for an excuse to kill something that would be better off left to breed or grow up . if it's legal ofcourse you can do it but you don't have a pat on the back coming.
 
HUNTINDUDE....Keep hunting then, and YOU will see areas where muley does are better left to be culled than to face starvation (OH, Ive seen that with my own eyes by the way, sorry you havent on your multi state endeavors) because the BLM dosent know how to tell farmer brown his 100 year lease is up and there isnt hardly a blade of grass left on the hillsides anyway. Just because you havent seen it dosent mean it dosent happen.
"Just looking for a excuse to kill something?" That statement litterally amuses me. You dont have a clue what I am all about and how much I treasure the animals I pursue. (bucks, does, bulls and cows) I am the last person that is just "looking for an excuse to kill something"

life IS good
 
Hey, somone actually read through an ENTIRE POST of mine! Thanks sremim, gotta go get my bags packed. Eich bein doe eater! see ya!

life IS good (too bad my PASSPORT isnt)
 
BESSY Brotha quit giving away all my beer and MIDOL

1 transplants have a low success rate and cost
a paw and a tail.

2 Bucks eat browse Does eat browse range will only support
so many of each,

3 You don't preserve herds, the range, the safety of the
public by killing bucks.

4 LATE SEASON DOE HUNTS IN CURRANT CREEK DID RUIN
ONE OF MY FAVORITE PLACES ON EARTH TO CAMP AND BOWHUNT,
BUT WE JUST GOTTA FEED THEM ELK

5 Not taking enough Doe's from the Wasatch Front Extended
Area will bring the rifle hunters in to get the job done.

THE ONLY ww SAYING DO YOUR PART FOR HERD MANAGEMENT
BY TAKING A DOE WHEN NECESSARY.
 
Steve.... You are correct! Once again, my fingers got ahead of my noggin. I am not totally opposed to people shooting does if it is nessesary to the health of the herd. I just dont like it when folks go out and shoot anything just to fill a tag. Usually it leads to waste of the animal. My wife reads these posts and she just brought me back down and reminded me that not everyone has the same standards as I do. She told me that I have pretty damn high standards when it comes to hunting and fishing and that the average guy couldnt hold out for. That is probably why not many guys will hunt with me. Or maybe it's the chronic flatulence! Anyhoo... I guess that is her way of saying that I am a stubborn plick! Haaahaaaaa.......

Steve......I'll have one ready for you next fall. You just have to come up and get him. He should be about 1200 lbs by then. I will train him to load into the back of a pick-up for ya. What kind of beer do you want me to finish him off with?
Eric
 
Polarbear- I will shoot a doe so I CAN say I got one for the freezer. Isn't one of the reasons we hunt to have lip-smacking venison to put on our table? Or are you only in it to put that 190" mount on your wall? Give me a break. There have been years...a lot of years where I havent shot a buck and where I live we cant shoot does unless you have a special tag. The whole failure thing is way out there. Sure its nice to be successful but just because hunters may want to fill their tag with a tender, cut-with-your-fork doe doesnt make them failures or killers or anything negative which you are implying! Lifeisgood- I'm with you on this and I'll be there 'til the end! COME AND GET IT! HAHA
 
I very rarely ever agree with him.But i agree with Bobcat on the Utah doe hunts,We shouldnt be taking does here...To bad he has to act like a jerk so much,guys dont always read his stuff cause he comes off so bad...
 
Polarbear- what Steve are you referencing? I'm sure its not me but..whos the other Steve so I dont address this again. Could you clear it up?
 
fullcry!!!

THAT SOUNDS LIKE A HOUNDSMANS NAME???

I THOUGHT HOUNDERS WERE TOUGHER THAN THAT???

WHO THE HELL TOLD YOU I WAS A JERK???

THE ONLY bobcat WITH THE TRUE MEANING OF PISSCUTTER:SUB TROPHY QUALITY OF THE SPECIES,IF YOU USE THE WORD PISSCUTTER YOU'D BETTER KNOW WHAT IT MEANS OR EVERY M.M. MEMBER & EVERY PERSON ON THE WWW WILL BE LAUGHING THEIR ASSES OFF AT YOU!!!
 
ONLY PU$$IES SHOOT DOES!!!

YUP!!!

THATS RIGHT!!!

THE ONLY bobcat WITH THE TRUE MEANING OF PISSCUTTER:SUB TROPHY QUALITY OF THE SPECIES,IF YOU USE THE WORD PISSCUTTER YOU'D BETTER KNOW WHAT IT MEANS OR EVERY M.M. MEMBER & EVERY PERSON ON THE WWW WILL BE LAUGHING THEIR ASSES OFF AT YOU!!!
 
RE: ONLY PU$$IES SHOOT DOES!!!

BOBCAT- What do you expect to get out of that? Are you 21, at a bar, drunk and feeling 10 feet tall? Thats how you're coming across. Not too impressive! You call us names just as my 5 year old son does. Do I need to keep going?
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-24-06 AT 09:10PM (MST)[p]I shoot 3 muley does a year. I could buy tags for up to 7. My family uses all the meat. Shooting does is no less manly than taking a buck. I'm not a biologist, but the ones here where I live say killing does is a good idea. And so does my freezer. Plus, I am doing my part for wildlife management. Cow elk seasons are also liberal in my area, and it doesn't hurt my feelings to haul one of them home either. I don't NEED the meat, I just prefer to provide wild game for my family. mtmuley P.S. This PISSCUTTER thing is stupid.
 
RE: ONLY PU$$IES SHOOT DOES!!!

COOL IT STEVE!!!

I'VE NEVER BEEN CALLED A NAME!!!

PULL THE CINCH TIGHT,HOLD ON & COWBOY-UP,ITS GONNA BE A LONG RIDE!!!

THE ONLY bobcat WITH THE TRUE MEANING OF PISSCUTTER:SUB TROPHY QUALITY OF THE SPECIES,IF YOU USE THE WORD PISSCUTTER YOU'D BETTER KNOW WHAT IT MEANS OR EVERY M.M. MEMBER & EVERY PERSON ON THE WWW WILL BE LAUGHING THEIR ASSES OFF AT YOU!!!
 
RE: ONLY PU$$IES SHOOT DOES!!!

Shooting does leads to a healthier herd. If your buck/doe ratio is out of whach, you will keep having inferior bucks and a weak deer herd. Think of it in terms of nature: a natural herd, with no human hunters going after it, would be roughly 50/50, bucks to does A mountain lion doesn't care what sex it's prey is.

Quality deer herds throughout the country have several common elements, with an appropriate buck to doe ratio being one of them.

If you're only looking for meat, shoot the does.
 
RE: ONLY PU$$IES SHOOT DOES!!!

We understand that where you live and/or hunt there arent enough deer to take any does out of the herd. However-theres no need to bag on the others who have plenty of deer and more than enough does to cull a few of them. Understand that we are all sportsmen and we all claim to do whats right and ethical for the game we pursue. I think its unfair to judge any of us for wanting to take a doe solely for a meat animal. Its ridiculous that this has gone this far! By the way BOBCAT- isn't it past your bedtime? Didn't your Mom tuck you in like half an hour ago? Tomorrow IS a school day!!I think its time for Ni-Ni. Did you brush your teeth and wash your face? Okay, good boy!
 
RE: ONLY PU$$IES SHOOT DOES!!!

HEY WisTard!!!

I SAY WE SETTLE IT OFF OF M.M.!!!

I DON'T KNOW WHEN YOU HAD YOUR LAST SPANKEN BY A SCHOOLBOY BUT YOU'RE ABOUT TO GET ANOTHER ONE!!!

THE ONLY bobcat WITH THE TRUE MEANING OF PISSCUTTER:SUB TROPHY QUALITY OF THE SPECIES,IF YOU USE THE WORD PISSCUTTER YOU'D BETTER KNOW WHAT IT MEANS OR EVERY M.M. MEMBER & EVERY PERSON ON THE WWW WILL BE LAUGHING THEIR ASSES OFF AT YOU!!!
 
RE: ONLY PU$$IES SHOOT DOES!!!

mtmuley- You are right on the money with the whole PISSCUTTER deal. I had never heard of it until DICKCATbess brought it up. Oooooooooppppppssss did I just say that? Just kidding BOOBCAT.......ooooppps...I did it again!!
 
RE: ONLY PU$$IES SHOOT DOES!!!

JUST A QUICK EASY QUESTION FOR ALL YOU DOE-SHOOTER PRO'S!!!

WOULD THIS EARTH STILL BE SPINNING WITHOUT THE GREAT WHITE DOE-SHOOTER MANAGEMENT???

UN-FRICKEN BELIEVABLE HOW MANY "GODS" & "MOTHER NATURE" WANNA-BE'S WE HAVE AROUND HERE!!!

THE ONLY bobcat WITH THE TRUE MEANING OF PISSCUTTER:SUB TROPHY QUALITY OF THE SPECIES,IF YOU USE THE WORD PISSCUTTER YOU'D BETTER KNOW WHAT IT MEANS OR EVERY M.M. MEMBER & EVERY PERSON ON THE WWW WILL BE LAUGHING THEIR ASSES OFF AT YOU!!!
 
RE: ONLY PU$$IES SHOOT DOES!!!

READ POST # 45 WisTard!!!

THE ONLY bobcat WITH THE TRUE MEANING OF PISSCUTTER:SUB TROPHY QUALITY OF THE SPECIES,IF YOU USE THE WORD PISSCUTTER YOU'D BETTER KNOW WHAT IT MEANS OR EVERY M.M. MEMBER & EVERY PERSON ON THE WWW WILL BE LAUGHING THEIR ASSES OFF AT YOU!!!
 
RE: ONLY PU$$IES SHOOT DOES!!!

Some of you guys get pretty defensive about wacking does, maybe should start your own web sight " Monster Does" . Boone & Crockett wont make room for you in the book but Safari Club might come up with an ear or udder measuring chart and take you in.
 
RE: ONLY PU$$IES SHOOT DOES!!!

WisTard? Thats good! Last spanken by a schoolboy...lets see...summer of '04 down in Mexico. Lets just say there was a lot of tequila involved!!
 
WOW bobcat you are quick to judge and you are kind of a d!ck! Not every deer heard is as crapy as the one in your backyard. I agree with lifeisgood 100%. Shoot he does if you want the venison and hell shoot the bobcats while your at it.

THE ONLY muleloper WONDERING IF I AM THE ONLY GUY HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO BOUNCE A THUMPER OFF OF bobcats FOREHEAD!!!
 
I want muleloper on MY team!! BOBCLIT is simply not grasping the fact that his local deer herd is not the only herd in the West. If there are too many does- it doesnt hurt to take a few.
 
MAT KING COLE!!!

I SAY WE SETTLE IT OFF M.M.!!!

LOTS OF mulepolers WOULD LIKE TO,BUT THEY RUN INTO A SLIGHT SNAG!!!

YOU'RE A TOUGH SOB BEHIND THAT PUTER,LETS SEE HOW TOUGH YOU ARE WHEN YOU'RE NOT HIDEING BEHIND IT!!!

THE ONLY bobcat WITH THE TRUE MEANING OF PISSCUTTER:SUB TROPHY QUALITY OF THE SPECIES,IF YOU USE THE WORD PISSCUTTER YOU'D BETTER KNOW WHAT IT MEANS OR EVERY M.M. MEMBER & EVERY PERSON ON THE WWW WILL BE LAUGHING THEIR ASSES OFF AT YOU!!!
 
DOE SHOOTERS ARE PUSSIES!!!

I'LL SAY IT AGAIN FOR THE HEARING IMPAIRED!!!

THE ONLY bobcat WITH THE TRUE MEANING OF PISSCUTTER:SUB TROPHY QUALITY OF THE SPECIES,IF YOU USE THE WORD PISSCUTTER YOU'D BETTER KNOW WHAT IT MEANS OR EVERY M.M. MEMBER & EVERY PERSON ON THE WWW WILL BE LAUGHING THEIR ASSES OFF AT YOU!!!
 
You might want to pull up your pants fay boy. You just might get yourself in a lot deeper sh!t than you think.
 
YOU JUST MIGHT WANT TO COME ON OUT & I'LL SHUT YOUR PIE-HOLE!!!

I SAID:LETS SETTLE IT OFF OF M.M.!!!

DO YOU COMPREHEND???

THE ONLY bobcat WITH THE TRUE MEANING OF PISSCUTTER:SUB TROPHY QUALITY OF THE SPECIES,IF YOU USE THE WORD PISSCUTTER YOU'D BETTER KNOW WHAT IT MEANS OR EVERY M.M. MEMBER & EVERY PERSON ON THE WWW WILL BE LAUGHING THEIR ASSES OFF AT YOU!!!
 
Take it easy, BOBCAT. Have some fun with us. This is the most fun I've had on the computer since.......the last time someone else gave you a rash of sh!t. Anyway- I'm all the way out on the West coast. What part of Utah are you in. I'll be on the 80 on October 12th headed for Wyoming. If you want to look for me I'll be in a White Chevy Silverado w/ a white shell. I shouldnt be too hard to find. Just drive up and down 80 from St George to Provo and back. I'll look for you. Are you still riding that old Trail 110?
 
i will be out that way about the same time. Heard that 'ol 110 had a flat, so this is probly enough time to ride your trusty huffy out to the interstate.
 
SOUNDS LIKE TWO TUNE-UPS IN ONE TRIP!!!

I LIKE IT!!!

I LIVE IN DOWNTOWN ALTAMONT,HELL EVERYBODY ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH KNOWS THAT!!!

A COUPLE FROM KALI HUH???

THE ONLY bobcat WITH THE TRUE MEANING OF PISSCUTTER:SUB TROPHY QUALITY OF THE SPECIES,IF YOU USE THE WORD PISSCUTTER YOU'D BETTER KNOW WHAT IT MEANS OR EVERY M.M. MEMBER & EVERY PERSON ON THE WWW WILL BE LAUGHING THEIR ASSES OFF AT YOU!!!
 
Altamont? Never heard of it. Is it east or west of 80? And I dont know if muleloper is from AZ or CA. I do know I like his style! Altamont....I'll have to look it up in the BOBCATIONARY!

muleloper- Are you going to Wyoming?
 
I am with Hunting Dude on this one. There are places that the does need to be shot, but other than Colorado all of the other western states that I have been in lately don't need to be culling anything from the herd because there isn't enough of them to go around. Here in Oregon there should be NO doe hunts until the deer herd is back to normal, but the decisions are made by how many tags can be sold. It comes down to the area and the number of deer, but if you listen to the pulse of MM in the last few years, it is all the same-deer numbers are in the toilet except colorado. I'm not talking about whitetails here only muleys and what I have seen in the personally seen in the last 10 years. The guys that are shooting the forks and small 3 points aren't on this website anyway. If there is an overpopulation of muleys somewhere I haven't found it.

Rich
 
As long as the whitetails keep creeping farther and farther West, the mule deer numbers will never be too high. Like you said, the F & G make more money with the more tags that are sold. That gives them incentive to push the boundaries a little bit which hurts the herd. Its too bad.
 
Wiszard, the Steve that I was referrin' to is Eelgrass. Just to clear things up.
I still think that we should leave the doe permits to the youth, disabled and old folks. I don't see any challenge in shooting a doe. Hey, but that is personal preference. To me, shooting a doe is like bagging that fat, ugly chick at the bar at closing time. Sure, you get the job done and it feels great for a minute, but where is the challenge? I see it as more of a roadhunting type frame of mind. I guess that is where I differ from a lot of "doe guys", I crave the challenge of working hard for a nice buck and wont settle for less. Even if it means coming home empty handed. Eh, to each his own.
It is 3:00 am and I have king salmon waiting to be caught!!!!!!
Eric
 
WHAT polarbear SAID!!!

POST # 63!!!

IF I'D OF SAID IT,ALL YOU DOE SHOOTIN,PISSCUTTIN FOOLS WOULD BE CRYING!!!

ADMIT IT!!!

YOU'RE DOE SHOOTERS!!!

WHEN YOU PULL THE TRIGGER YOU KILL 2-3 DEER WITH JUST ONE SHOT,WOW I'M IMPRESSED!!!

THE ONLY bobcat WITH THE TRUE MEANING OF PISSCUTTER:SUB TROPHY QUALITY OF THE SPECIES,IF YOU USE THE WORD PISSCUTTER YOU'D BETTER KNOW WHAT IT MEANS OR EVERY M.M. MEMBER & EVERY PERSON ON THE WWW WILL BE LAUGHING THEIR ASSES OFF AT YOU!!!
 
no i am not going to wyoming just was going to be there to watch bobcat pedal his trusty huffy up and down I-80. I live in washington, so there went another one of your theries BOBFAT. I wouldnt say killing a doe is like humping a fat chick its more like having a good looking hump buddy. once you take her home you can enjoy her until you are through with her and not feel bad about it at all. Take it easy fellas.
 
Rich... Two important points. ONE-YES, there are populations of muley with does than should be culled, keep looking. TWO- Im sure there is plenty of folks that use this sight that insist on shooting a year or two year old buck near the end of season when they could do without shooting a deer at all or shoot a doe IF........ (the IF refers to my disclaimers in previous posts. Im tired of retyping them)

life IS good
 
I have a feeling the cheap doe tags arent issued by the FWP for $$ (income) reasons alone. I DO beleive there are areas where muley does are allowed to be shot that in our opinion (yes, yours AND mine as sportsmen/hunters) their shouldnt be a doe season. Depending on who's calling the shots in the DEPT, and who's a freind of who (hunter, quality hunter, farmer, rancher, anti hunter)there will always be seasons that we dont feel are necisary, and there will be seasons that we would like to have that dont exist. I have been areas where MULE DEER DOES SHOULD BE CULLED!!!!!!! Just because there are areas they shouldnt dosent mean all doe harvests are bad for our herds!

life IS good
 
Ah yes............ANOTHER good thread completely hijacked by the little p@ssy himself.........YES YOU bessy!
Go back to your litter box if you can't contribute anything without bashing, name calling, and YELLING!!!

Lien2
 
Eric, There are other reasons to hunt besides the "challenge" factor. You know darn well in alot of areas you can walk up to a 1 1/2 yr old buck 3rd week of NOV and club him over the head with a whiffle bat if you want to, while the does he was standing with have scattered.
Fat chicks, Bars, road hunting? What post are you following? The most important point of my original post (please read) was people getting in a panic near the end of season and (when they have a choice, AND the herd is condusive....blah,blah,blah...) they wack a young buck they dont even appreciate (JUST BECAUSE ITS A BUCK!!!!)
I too, am a selective hunter (from season start to finish) year after year, That is one of the reasons I started this "doe" post. Let the young deer grow up (or yes, eat your tag)
Good luck fishing.

life IS good
 
BOBCAT, Although I am in an area that lets me fill the freezer with "another subspecies" of female deer that DO need to be culled, IF it was more convinient for me to take MULE DEER DOES that could stand to be culled for the overall health of "my" local herd, I would glady do that.
The game departments in some areas (NOT YOURS!!!!!!!!) WANT 2 or three deer culled with a tag, and more, considering the doe thats killed will bear no more offspring.
How does it feel? I still am in awe of that question. Its PRACTICAL to me and makes good sense for the game I am hunting. Thats all it is, baby Bambi murdering aside, its PRACTICAL!!! (in some areas)
I know where you are coming from (re "your" deer herd) Why the heck cant you see there are "other" populations of mule deer that vary in #s, age, doe/buck ratio, fawn mortality, winter survival rates, avaliable forage etc ect ect...
And yes... I AM A DOE SHOOTER, THEREFORE I AM. aM i "PROUD" OF IT? Im "FINE" WITH IT.

life IS good
 
RE: ONLY PU$$IES SHOOT DOES!!!

BOBCAT... "GODS AND MOTHER NATUR WANABEES????" Thats crap!! Why are YOU any less of a "MOTHER NATURE WANABEE" for wanting to manage "your" heard the way you do? (Oh, I know, because its "right" in your opinion) Now thats MY "MOTHER" youre talkin about now!!!!

life IS good
 
As a resident of Illinois I have this advice for you western residents, shoot the whitetail does. Whitetails are like the Tribbles on that "Star Trek" episode they breed and breed and take the best feeding spots away from the mule deer when their paths cross. When I'm in Nebraska this year trying to put a mature mule deer buck on my wall and in my freezer I'm gonna fill my doe tag with a whitetail doe and do you mule deer hunters a favor. No thanks are necessary I gladly will do this favor for you guys.
 
This thread should have been wrapped up after about 20 posts but some of us have to keep repeating ourselves because others are not listening to what we are saying. In areas that can afford to take does- do it. It doesnt make you less of a man- I know, I've shot a few does with a special tag and I'm still a man!!
 
Thats right, if you shoot does you are not less of a man. You are a real man. You are only less of a man if you shoot a buck.
 
I don't get it?! We're talking about taking does and NOT shooting small bucks. Just because someone harvests a doe- that makes him less of a man? Does it mean that you had to work any less? Did you shoot the doe the first day of the season? I doubt it. We're saying instead of shooting small bucks-save them and take a doe!!!!!! That will normally be towards the END OF THE SEASON NOT THE BEGINNING!! Thats what we're talking about.
 
Wizard,
I was refering to the comment made twice by lifeisgood, where he says "real men shoot does." Now do you get it? If not, have someone explain it to you. Its called sarcasim.
 
uh 10-4! I copy that! I like sarcasm! Sometimes when you read something its hard to put it in the text that the writer meant it, you know?
 
Wow, this is fantastic. I would say we have both extremes covered. Here's a question though: If a doe is so easy to take then why do they charge the same fee for the tag here in Oregon. A blacktail doe hunt is not always a slam dunk. No it's not about the need to feed the family it's about a preference of what you feed them. As far as shooting a doe goes. We usually don't have that option here unless you have actually applied and been granted a Doe tag. That said I understand where lifeisgood is coming from. If your going to pull the trigger at the end of a hunt then why not shoot the most abundant of the two genders. I'm assuming that put in that situation that lifeisgood is going to be looking to single out a lone doe rather then what Bobcat is talking about when he's talking about killing 2 or 3 deer with one shot. I'm not sure where that came from but I believe that most hunters are not going to pop a doe with fawns if a single doe is also present.

Picture this: it's the last day of your hunt you have a tag that will allow you to take a buck or a doe. You come a cross a herd of deer 6 does, 3 fawns, and a spike. Which one are you going to take? If your about shooting a bigger buck next season your looking at a doe, If your about building up the heard you shoot a single doe. If your about telling your buddies I got a buck you take the spike. If you don't give damn you shoot whatever you can. Any hunter that hunts not just for the trophy but for the taste of game will most likley be comfortable taking a doe over a spike. Not right or wrong just my opinion!
 
sremim,
With the enstatement of my original post, interestly enough, I was able to forsee that a bunch of you hard heads would think YOU ARE TOO "MANLY" to shoot does, regardless if its healthy for a particular herd, you would rather wack another 3 1/2 yr old 20 incher and hide the rack in the garage rafters.
Yes, REAL MEN SHOOT DOES, They also shoot 2 yr old fork horns and 10 yr old 200" non typicals. Never did I say, you are less of a man for shooting something else, I simply said I AM NOT LESS OF A MAN FOR SHOOTING DOES. My whole point was (judging by the replies) alot of you wont shoot does, regardless of a particular population situation. That makes me wonder why. Can you tell me? Is it because you think it would make you "less of a man"

ps... If you are a woman, please disregard my above statements and accept my prompt apologies.

life IS good
 
Not less of a man, just a scab hunter. I was told from the time I was old enought to understand a spoken word that doe shooters were lower class hunters. not just my dad but everyone felt that way, maybe it's just an eastern Oregon thing.
 
First of all I don't think anyone is less than a man for shooting a doe or small buck, however it is a choice that I have made that I won't do either. It is not that I'm better than anyone else and I have killed does and small bucks in the past. I don't always fill my tag if I don't find the buck that I want. It is a personal choice and not a slam on people that do. No name calling or bashing, it is just my choice. In my years hunting I have seen the steady decline of the mule deer herds and my choice is not to shoot does or small bucks. In Oregon the herds are out of balance and are managed for oppurtunity and not quality and I choose not to be a part of that. If I lived in Alabama or another state I might have a different opinion but I don't. Approximately 80% of the mule deer bucks killed in Oregon are forkies, you can't have a healthy herd if you kill every yearling buck. My favorite game is hit the forked horn with a rock, practice your stalk and try to scare the crap out of them so they don't get killed. You can't have monster muleys if you kill them all when they are 18 months old. I feel better now.

Rich
 
"Scab hunter" thats interesting to me heading a non-union company. Its not just an Eastern Oregon thing. I too was taught growing up in MT that shooting ANY does is wrong, Im sure my dad was taught it by his dad, who was raised in the midwest, maybe his dad learned it in Polland, I dont know.
You were taught that "doe shooters" were "lower class hunters" and it stuck, as it did with many of the repliers to my post.
I was taught that too, at one point I grew my own brain and saw that sometimes (YES SOMETIMES, BOBCAT) shooting does, instead of young bucks can be the right thing to do.

life IS good (even as a scab)
 
Aaaaaaaaaaaamen to what lostinOregon said! I guess that I have become spoiled with the amount of quality bucks that are available here in WA. (If your willing to do the work) I guess that it all depends on where you are. I have relatives in Alabama (in fact my Mom and Dad are there right now) and the deer are as thick as fleas on Bobcat's nads! (sorry Bess) Their limit is 3 a day throughout the entire season. I guess that you would pretty much have to shoot does to even out the herd. Out here it is a different story. I also was brought up to believe that shooting little bucks and does was for poachers and lazy folks. I guess that it all goes back to the old saying "a trophy is in the eyes of the beholder". Whether it be a monster buck or a doe. I live at the foot of the biggest blacktail unit in the state, Vail. I just get sick of seeing these Seattle "city hunters" coming out through the check station with button bucks and does that have 4-5&6 bullet holes in them. I guess that fuels my dislike for roadhunting dink killers. But, it is perfectly legal to do so, so I guess, more power to em'. I still have and will never shoot a doe, but that is my personal choice. I also have chased little bucks to get some fear in them. It may be considered harrassment, but I think that it helps out the little guy in the long run.
Eric
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-26-06 AT 07:25AM (MST)[p]Im just happy Bobwhatever hasnt ran his mouth for the last 15 postings...Time to growup son...
 
I shoot does for the meat. I don't claim that they are a challenge to shoot especiallly with a rifle. I prefer their meat to beef. Way less fat. And as far as it costing too much and just buying beef instead, I don't think so. $20 for 2 doe tags and maybe 10 bucks for the gas to get them. I process them myself. 30 bucks for meat that will last us all winter is not expensive. We have had numerous mild winters in a row and the winter kill is nearly non-existent. Predators ohter than coyotes are not a factor. When each doe is having twins every year and the winter die off and predation is next to none it does not take long for the population to explode. If does were not shot here they would over run the place. The landowners here appreciate it if you take a couple does and it definately helps with the landowner relations so you can hunt again the next year. Hunting on private land here is still free if you just ask so keeping the landowners happy is a top priority. Some one on here said it is guys with big egos who shoot does just so they can shoot something. I think it is the other way around. The guys with big egos who won't shoot does ( where it is legal and necessary) beacuse you can't brag that it is a buck and it will make them look inferior to all their buddies.
Saskman
 
saskman, You are most certainly right about the "ego" thing. Thats what I was TRYING to get accross in a big part of my rattling on. Good luck with Mac this season.

life IS good
 
I didn't read the majority of this thread cause it looks like a 'cat'fight happened, but I will comment on the harvest of does. I apply for LEH mulie doe tags every year and run pretty good success on drawing them. This is the 3 year in a row I drew a tag. I agree with the management strategy that does need to be harvested. It is a real good way to keep the herds balanced. Having small Management Units and the LEH option allows our managers the ability to control the numbers a little more tighter. The harvest of does is a tricky thing. You kill one doe, you ain't just killing one, you are killing many because she could produce a doe that can produce a doe that can produce a doe and so on. You kill a buck and all you are doing is killing that one deer, as if he ain't breeding another will take his place. So by having the LEH option, the managers can shut the doe hunt down quickly, or drop tag numbers, depending on the health and viabilty of the herd.
I am one of those that definately benefits from eating venison. Hunting doesn't cost me much at all. Having a doe in the freezer definately takes the pressure off of our single income family budget. I can tell ya that I have many friends in the same boat too. Then add the benifits of the healthy choice of venison over beef and it is a no brainer. Shooting a doe is a good thing.
This year they have opened up a youth doe season in several units to encourage hunter recruitment. I will be taking my 10 yr old son hunting in those units and hope his he can tag his first deer. That will be a bigger trophy than any of the big bucks I've killed in the past.
http://sdana.photosite.com/DanasHuntingPics/
 
Its too bad that if you shoot a doe there are fellow-hunters on this site that think we are "lower-class". Lower class? WHAT part of that makes us lower class? Because the deer we shot didnt have a trophy sitting on top of her head?? Unbelieveable!! I've heard it all. That statement was worse than anything that BOBCAT has said so you're in elite company HUNTINDUDE. Insert foot!!!
 
I didn't make up the rules lizard, that's the way we think around here ( or most I grew up with) so calm down. when I was a kid and there were lots of deer and doe season ran at the end of buck season so I finished off some crippled does and fawns LOWER CLASS doe shooters hit and didn't look for because they could drive another 200 yards and shoot another one, so yes I have a bad taste for doe hunters. I've never shot a uninjured doe and I never will, maybe that doesn't make me better than you but it sure doesn't make me worse. as I said before there are VERY few places that shooting does is doing a service to the health of the mule deer herd, spin that as you will to make yourself feel better.
 
BCDOEBOY!!!

WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU GO & DO THAT???

NOW I CAN SEE LETTING YOUR KIDS TAKE A DOE IF THATS WHAT TURNS YOUR CRANK!!!

BUT BCBOY THE TROPHY HUNTER TAKEING A DOE HIMSELF???

I'M NOT SAYING YOU'RE HURTING THE HERD ANY IN THE LAND OF PLENTY BUT DAMN!!!

CHANCES AT TROPHY BUCKS & YOU'LL POP A DOE???

I'VE NEVER SEEN YOU WITH MANY PISSCUTTER PICTURES!!!(MY DEFINITION,NOT TUFF BUFFS!!!)

I GUESS SOME PEOPLE SHOOT TO KILL???

I'M NOT DIRECTING THAT AT YOU BCBOY!!!

I'M DIRECTING IT AT THESE JOKERS HERE IN UTARD THAT FLOCK SHOOT THE PI$$ OUT OF WHAT FEW DEER WE HAVE LEFT,USUALLY LATE INTO DECEMBER,WOUNDING SEVERAL & NOT AIMING AT ANY ONE PARTICULAR ANIMAL,A BUNCH OF DANDYS,A BUNCH OF FLOCK SHOOTIN DOE SHOOTIN IDIOTS!!!

AS THE JOKER SAID ABOVE,I DIDN'T POST FOR 15 POSTS OR SO BUT I'M POSTING NOW!!!

IF YOU'RE ALL SO DAMN PROUD OF YOUR FRICKEN DOE SHOOTIN & DOE KILLLING WHY DON'T YOU POST YOUR PICTURES & WRITE THE BIG STORIES SO THEY CAN PUT THEM IN TROPHY HUNTER & ALL THE OTHER FAMOUS MAGAZINES???

THE ONLY bobcat WITH THE TRUE MEANING OF PISSCUTTER:SUB TROPHY QUALITY OF THE SPECIES,IF YOU USE THE WORD PISSCUTTER YOU'D BETTER KNOW WHAT IT MEANS OR EVERY M.M. MEMBER & EVERY PERSON ON THE WWW WILL BE LAUGHING THEIR ASSES OFF AT YOU!!!
 
BOBCAT- I think, "indifferent" and "practicle" were words I used to describe how I "feel" when I harvest a doe. Dont recall using "damn proud" but I shure the Hell aint embarrassed or saddened I have "lowered myself to such standards"
If you can get one of your (friggin) "trophy" magazines to print an article (with pictures) about "Joe and his trophy Doe" Ill personally call, email and write your Utah game department and level headidly do what I can to "save your does" Maybe Ill try writing them without using all capitals. That kind of implies that I am "yelling" at them, which as you can see, dosent seem to work very well.
The reason "trophy" magazines dont print such stories (about does and forkhorns)is because of the mentallity of people like YOU and several others that have replied to this post. (that only bucks or big bucks are macho to shoot, and sissys shoot does) You dont wanna spend money to see it or to read about it. Its "sacrelegious" and makes us "scabs" (so Im told) Therfore folks like you are partly responsible for these "big $$$$$ monster buck witch hunts" by belittleing folks that choose to shoot a doe. I 'spose your gonna tell us now "HOW THAT MAKES YOU FEEL!!!!"

life IS good Even though Ill never make the cover of the Rolling Stone, Hunting illustrated or The Flop Ears record Book)
 
I wonder if your not the kid who said he was a lawyer and drew a sheep tag in UTAH.Havent heard from him in a long time.What was his name? Anybody?
 
The fact you brought this whole issue up must be because you're looking for others approval for loving to shoot does. this is MONSTER MULEYS why are surprised that not everyone gets off on wacking does? go to "Road hunt'in fawns with Bubba" or "meathunter's.com" and you'll hear more tales of "how nice the spots are on my fawn hide" than you will here. why go to a trophy forum and talk doe wacking? it makes no sense.
 
I'm glad, huntindude, that the does you have shot were injured. Chances are they'll die anyway, either by predators or by their present wounds. However, because I will shoot a doe for my freezer if I don't find the buck I want to shoot, if the deer herd can afford it, doesnt make me any better or any worse than you. Don't compare you and I because we're different. You grew up NOT shooting does. The first deer I shot when I was 12 was a doe on Fort Hunter Ligget as a special DOE HUNT!!! That hunt sticks in my mind just as all the other hunts after that. My Dad taught me to respect the game we hunt just as yours did. They taught us DIFFERENTLY. Leave it at that. You guys that will not shoot a doe- DON'T. Those of us that would take a doe if the herd can afford it- DO IT.
 
Wiszard,

Fair enough, but hunters should remember that just because it's legal doesn't mean it's best for the herd it just means your game&fish dept wanted the tag fees. I'm sure there are areas that it might be of no harm to shoot does but a real hunter will ask themselves if that's true first, even if it is legal.
 
huntindude
Thats very intelligent advise. From what I gather, you have decided only posts concerning "monster muleys" are worthy of this sight. Intersestingly enough, that is why I made the original post about shooting does INSTEAD of 3 1/2 yr old 20" bucks. A doe will never become a "MONSTER MULEY" At least not a monster with huge antlers (which I think is probably what you, "dude" consider a monster muley) The 3 1/2 yr old 20" buck May, just maybe will become a monster muley someday, that is if you Yahooos dont get excited and blast him the last week of the season cause your not dedicated enough to hold out for a true "monster muley"
Approval? Thats amusing as well. My post was about ONE OF THE REASONS LITTLE MULEYS DONT GROW UP TO BE MONSTER MULEYS. If you nimrods dont have enough control to let the little bucks grow. There is only going to be less and less TRUE MONSTER MULEYS. I would gladly start a websight... www.managingtechniquesthatinsureyourmuledeerherdisahealthyandballancedone.com. Ill let you guys establish the www.ihavetoomuchtestoseroneflowingt...meistertillipassoutwhilethevenisongoesbad.com sight. Deal? DEAL!!!!

life IS good
 

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