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driftersifter

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My brother his 14 year old daughter, a mutual friend and myself were camping in Wyoming on public land that someone didn't like us being there. The first day they drove by us and went 50 yards down the trail and let off 4 rounds into the hillside. I jumped but didn't react as it was the day before the opener and I felt that they might be sighting in their rifle. Opening day we come back to camp to find a gut pile less than 30 yards from camp. The next day I find a gut pile circleing my wheeler on a public trailhead. Every day I could hear someone fire off 4 rounds as they went by our camp. We never moved and by the last day (day 6) the shooting stopped. Near the same area my brother spotted a 3pt and was determining the best approach for his daughter to sneak and take this animal when a guide and his clients were seen looking at them through their binocs looking at the spotting scope's direction and they saw the 3pt. and immediately went after him. My brother went after the guide and let him know in no uncertain terms about his ethics and lack there of. I told he should have asked for his guiding license number and report his actions to the Game and Fish. The clients didn't collect the buck and after the talk the buck ended up on the road in front of the guide and his clients 100 yds in front of them standing. The guide either didn't think it was big enough or he must remembered the part in my brothers speach about earning your buck not honing in on others hard work. In either case they let the buck go and my neice got her chance at him a little later in the day. She will be taking him home with a big smile on her face. The overall hunt left me with a bad taste in my mouth for hunting in that part of Wyoming. I may never hunt that state again and I have hunted there for over 20 years. Sorry to vent but what a scene for that 14 year old to leave Wyoming with. After the trip she said she would rather fish in Canada than hunt in Wyoming.
What do you think?
Driftersifter
 
I think some people are natural born a--hole's but don't stop hunting in wyom, they are found everywhere!Try explaneing to the young lady that jerks are just part of the human race,sad but a fact!
 
Every now and then you hear of something like that happening. One time I was gravel bar camping while canoeing in the ozarks with my wife and kids when 6 heavily intoxicated young men showed up at about 3 in the morning very loud and very agressive. No one got hurt but I tell you it really makes the 2nd amendment mean more to you in that situation. I guess jerks have always been around I try to avoid them if possible. Their not exclusive to Wyoming or Nebraska either for that matter.
 
I'm glad the young lady killed the buck that she had earned. I'm sorry to hear about the guide that you all ran into in Wyoming. It is everywhere, and I guess we just have to deal with it. I have had it happen while hunting big game, ducks, and fishing bass tournaments. Don't give up Wyoming hunting just because he upset you and made the trip a hard one. Just remember you all were the better person in the cituation and didn't take it farther than it could have gone.
 
Take her back out and have the time of your life.

If you stop now, they win.

"One nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
 
The only time I have ever had any trouble with another hunter was in Wyoming...He and his buddies were resident hunters and missing most of their teeth. They shot at a really nice buck from the road that my buddy and me had worked to get to. We had come from a different direction and hoofed it to get to where we were before day break. Any way he shot at it and missed and ran all the deer out of that canyon so Mark and I worked our way to the top and met up to plan our next move. We see this hunter coming up thruogh the draw were the buck was and he starts yelling at us. Mark and me just look at each other in amasement. This jerkoff comes walking up to us telling us what a bunch of dodo we are for hunting in his area and camping where we were camped (public land)To make a long story short we told him to take a hike and if he didn't like it put up or shut up. This guy had maybe 5 teeth in his head and most likely no brains. needless to say it was unnerving to say the least..
 
I will take her back out west hunting but it won't be in the same place maybe not the same state. I hunt Montana and I think that is where we will apply from this point on. I may try Wyoming again. I sure hope she regains the enthusiasm she had for hunting again before our whitetail season right now she ins't all that fired up.
thanks for listening.
driftersifter
 
I've hunted Wyoming several times, and have had that kind of trouble with Trefren Outfitters twice. Stand up to them and they wet there pants, even when there is 6 or 8 of them and only 4 of us. The local cops have a look out for out of state plates too when you are pulling a horse trailer during hunting season. I guess they don't like out of staters, just our money.
Buff
 
That's too bad. I can't defend everyone in Wyoming, because there are bad apples everywhere. But I'd say we are no worse than anywhere else, and likely better than most. As a Wyoming resident and an outfitter, I can tell you that we treat everyone with courtesy and respect. We follow the laws and expect that others will do the same. When we hunt public lands, we give everyone their space.

Take the young lady back out and hope for a better experience.

I do agree that Wyoming folks sometimes treat nonresidents poorly, but we get the same treatment in other states. It's too bad. Anyhow, sorry it was not positive for you and your family/friends. And most of us in Wyoming have pretty good teeth. But there are some folks that don't in every state.
 
I agree with all of the above, it's just too bad people from every state don't pay a little more respect to "All Americans."
(Go 82nd, pun intended, & I apologize for the following rant)

I live in So. Cali, and have prepared to punch another hunters face in after an encounter while turkey hunting. I had set up a decoy and blind and began calling. After 45 minutes or so, I decided to move on and try another spot only to find a husband and wife team still-hunting towards me. Mind you, I had already pulled my decoys and began walking in the open with an orange vest clearly displayed. I clearly saw the two approaching and they suddenly stopped and the guy shouts, "You're lucky I didn't shoot you."

I told him I've been called a turkey before, but I also told him to put his shotgun down or this 6'-2" 225 pounder wearing a blaze orange vest was going to punch his f-ing face in! You should have seen their faces! Welcome to California. During the same hunt, I had another pair still-hunting towards my decoy's with their bows ready to draw. Things went much smoother, as I yelled, "Stop", which they did and apologized. That hunt totally sucked and I went home frustrated and pissed off.

Utah, Panquitch Lake....great fishing, lots of hunters. Nice people, but had the incidents involving the following over a 5 year period:

1. I've lost my son, can I walk around in front of you for about an hour and chase off the deer in the entire canyon, instead of calling the Sheriff for a rescue party because I'm clearly an anti-hunter messing up your hunt.

2. Getting "scoped" by an idiot teen-ager, again having to yell at him to put his rifle down or suffer an immediate hostile retaliation.

3. Borrowing a Utah friends pick-up truck, "Ol-yeller" with Utah plates, only to encounter a Utah resident setting up camp next to me, blabbing about those "God-D**n California Bastards." I laughed with him, little did he know I did not want to spoil his rant. That was my personal favorite.

I stopped hunting Utah after they started the draw and ironically started hunting Wyoming, drawing general tags for the last 15 years. Very few problems (or teeth, just kidding). I love hunting the Cowboy State, by far more animals than stupid people. But alas, the same problems.

1. Borrowed my dad's jeep with Wyoming plates of course. Found myself 1 second and 1 pound away from squeezing the trigger on a 4x4 buck trailing a doe on a hillside only to see an old blue Suburban crawling the ridge above. I stopped for obvious safety reasons. The buck moved over the ridge and I began to climb only to be confronted by this "slob-outfitter" yelling at me to get off of his property.

Thinking I had made an error, I placed my rifle on the ground and approached his vehilce, which was loaded with guys from Wisconsin, (they all wear the funny ear-flapped hats.) He tells me he should have me arrested for trespassing until he saw my vehicle with local plates and tells me I should know better. I tried to explain that I had studied the BLM maps and thought I was on State ground and pointed across the road to the fenced private and marked property.

He held his ground and I joked, "So, I guess it's a little late to ask for permission?" He looked pissed and the Wisconsin guys laughed out loud. I walked away and said, "By the way, try letting your guys out of the truck, you drove right passed a 26" 4x4 on that ridge." Now the Wisconsin guys weren't laughing and I ran to the jeep and bailed. I later found out by confirming with Wyoming G&F, that I was on State BLM property!!!! To rub salt in my wounds, I was watching TV, Babe Winkelman, hunting Crazy Woman Canyon, south of Buffalo......only to see that Slob and his faded blue rusted out Suburban sh**box!

Life is strange, as I get older I try not to get upset and just move on!

Longrifle
 
Longrifle..

yeah! its happened around So. Utah as well.... some guy hangs a sign,, he buys the sign in town! too bad he didn't buy the land as well.. Have topo map will travel... Proof! i have it... he better have it as well... or.... GET YOUR LAZY WISCONSIN BUTT OUTTA OF THE SURBUBAN.... nothing worse than a guy claiming! almost like a guy claiming to have the best looking sister! only to discover.... she's a real horseface! seeing is beleiving
 
I always get an uneasy feeling when I see another hunter in the field. Is this guy a waco? Does he think he owns the mountain? This year I encountered 2 different hunters. While hunting Utah I ran into a young guy during a heavy fog. Didn't even know he was there until I was on top of him. I was actually very suprised to see him in this area as it is steep and nasty and I have rarely seen guys in there. I walked down to him and said hi and he acted pretty pissed that I was even on the same mountain. In contrast, I was just in CO this week and killed a real good buck. I begin making my way over to the buck and ran into a guy and his son who were elk hunting. I let them know I had a buck down and they immediately asked if they could help. I found the buck immediately, and asked if they would take a few pic of me with the buck. After pics we swaped a few deer hunting stories shook hands and they left. In my experience most hunters are like this guy and his son, but I have definately met my share of turd balls.

Mike
 
How does the state of Wyoming get away with not allowing non residents to hunt in wilderness areas without the use of a guide. I understand Non residents are allowed to hike ,camp fish but not hunt in wilderness areas.
 

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