Doe hunt .. what are they thinking?

timemachine · Nov 2, 2006

Hi -
I very seldom post a topic on this forum. I read it quite often - mostly in the fall and winter when time allows. I can't ever remember my old name and passwords so I'm loggd on again new. I live in Gunnison,Ut area. Grew up hunting - love to hunt - love the outdoors, only wish I could go out and do more of this kind of stuff than I do! If you are interested I picked "timemachine " as a handle because if I had one -I'd fire it up ever 3rd Saturday in Oct. and go back to the 60's With rifle, tag and bullets in tow. I can only fantasize of the bucks I'd kill with my stw........

I know, dream on......
-Here's my subject: I don't understand and I can't fathom the reasoning -why would the DWR allow a late doe hunt on the south eastern going on right now? They are pounding the 12 Mile herd right around Mayfield for those of you familiar. And IF you are familiar you have got to know that this herd has suffered and is JUSY BARELY coming back a LITTLE bit.

I am resisting with all I got to not get mean. I'm willing to try and have an open mind. DWR or ?? lets see some reasoning - other than you did it once in the past and so now it's just stuck in the reg's? If you say depredation I'll call B>S> on you - Those landowners won't give permisson to hunt their property. They then should not have the option to complain. Another thing, HMM..they own property in the winter range. What do they expect? (I've been outfoxed by some pretty crafty old mulies, but I've yet to see one that can read) One more: crops are harvested, ground is frozen or soon will be, they run cattle all over their own ground, the weight of a deer/elk can't possibly be a concern. Last -i.m.o. -They say they want to pasture it off and the deer are eating it all first? Fair trade for the summer range they got off the public land.

Truth is there isn't enough deer out there to do enough damage to warrant a late doe hunt- you know it - change it.

littlecaseof200itus · Nov 2, 2006

LAST EDITED ON Nov-02-06 AT 12:03PM (MST)[p]Timemachine welcome to mm, its nice to have ya. Bro, I agree with you 100 percent on this one!

derquhart · Nov 2, 2006

If you had a time machine, why would you wait unitl the third saturday in october to use it? If you had a time machine then you could go back in time to any date from any date, not just the anniversary of a date! Man...you need to check out "Back to the Future"

nbjbhunterman · Nov 2, 2006

DWR in utah has no idea about mule deer herds. They only listen to the rich cater cwmus landowners and the bioligists do not know there area. Go to wyoming idaho colorado nevada arizona and hunt and you will know what I am talking about!

NBJB

ELKOHOLIC · Nov 2, 2006

Ron, I am waiting for an answer to. I just don't think there is a logical answer. There is no reason to be shooting these does. The majority of the deer show up in mid October and as soon as the snow covers the fields they head south to the brush. The deer aren't doing any harm. The herds are way under objective. All the ground is posted, no hunting anyway? It don't make any since.

Deerlove · Nov 2, 2006

Haven't heard the bio reasons, it's usually just for $.

BBB · Nov 2, 2006

Watch what you say about Idaho. I was on one particular hunt this year where some of the high country deer were moving down into the winter range. Very few bucks, a decent number of does...until the youth opened fire. I'm all about youth oppurtunity with two kids of my own, but I watched a slaughter like never before. I saw fawns running chaotic without anymore maternal guidance (migration routes, etc..), I saw wounded does, and trucks full of does, seriously. I asked the CO at the check station why it is allowed and he said "The deer herd in those particular units are the best they have been in 10-15 years". The problem is: Not anymore! Why do we need to cull populations when there is plenty of available winter range forage and summer range. Those deer are having enough problems with predators to allow antlerless hunting, I think anyways.
My two cents, nothing more.

timemachine · Nov 2, 2006

My point exactly triple B - Elkaholic I heard about this from a friend- he watched one of the landowners (obeying rules here now) shoot a deer that they drove off and left only to shoot another deer that flopped into a about thirty head- then when the shooting was done one doe was dead. So what about the first deer? - well a spotting scope reveales that it was one of the few two pointers that survived the rgular season slaughter (since most of the deer where low by opening this year) So you call and turn him in what happens? He tells the DWR officer yep right go get it of my land. DWR needs to quell this particular antlerless and FOR GOOD.

timemachine · Nov 2, 2006

Didn't want to be greedy- it's like when you go to the taxidemest and you pick up a great set of horns he' workin on ,and say -wow, this is a nice buck. Who got it? and the guy goes "humm... it's one I got a few years ago." (People might get suspicious maybe ;-) )

timemachine · Nov 2, 2006

Not to good at ths that was a reply for derquhart

derquhart · Nov 2, 2006

Thats the great thing about it, you wouldnt have to be greedy. YOu could just go further back in time and the buck you shot would be alive again!

bobcatbess · Nov 2, 2006

I'VE SEEN DOE SLAUGHTERS IN THE PISS POOR N.E. REGION FOR YEARS!!!

I'VE SCREAMED MY FRICKEN HEAD OFF AT MEETINGS!!!

DID IT DO ANY GOOD???

HELL NO!!!

I SURE AS HELL AIN'T NO BIOLOGIST & FURTHER MORE I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO BE ONE TO SEE THE FRICKEN LIGHT!!!

IF YOU SHOOT A DOE IN UTAH I'LL CALL YOU A WUSSIE THAT SUCKS UP TO UDWR'S TACTICS!!!

ALOT OF YOU WON'T LIKE ME FOR WHAT I SAY,THATS O.K.!!!

I'M NOT BUYING YOUR BULL$HIT EXCUSES,OH IF I DON'T SHOOT THE DOE SOMEBODYELSE WILL,FRICK!!!

THE ONLY bobcat VERY SENSITIVE WITH THIS ISSUE,JUST BECAUSE YOU'VE SHOT MORE BUCKS OUT OF THE HERD THAN YOU SHOULD HAVE DOESN'T MEAN YOU START SLAUGHTERING DOES TO GET NUMBERS BUCK/DOE RATIOS BACK IN PERSPECTIVE,FOR THE ONES THAT WANT TO ARGUE WITH ME YOU CAN TAKE A FRICKEN HIKE!!!

timemachine · Nov 3, 2006

Okay this is probably a dead thread ,but I second Bobcats view 100% - Here's what I think I want to do about it: Next year I'll watch that antlerless proc., and get as many people as I can to put in for this hunt, and we'll burn the tags we are successful in getting. Stop gap and likly futile, but save a few?