400 Plus AZ Mossback

going to ruin AZ to huh?

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DR_Hunter---I believe the AZ Governor tag for each species gives the guy an entire year to fill the tag. I just saw an antelope that was kiiled on that atg and Eli said the guy was on his 330+ day of his 365 days when he shot his antelope.
 
So, is it hard to get a bull like this in July when you can hunt the best units in the State of AZ? With a rifle I suspect? Is it just me, or does this not sound that hard if you have the money to buy the tag?

Of course if you have the money to buy the tag, you probably have the money to pay the guides to find and show you the bull.

Cool Bull, great look.
 
Well he (Alan Hamberlin) has been hunting this bull with the mossback guys for over a year and hasnt been able to harvest him and being that he was bigger last year and nobody was able to harvest him in any of the hunts, I'll assume its not as easy as you would think. If it is, why dont you go out and video a bull like this and post it up on the monster hunt clips. I would like to see it.
 
And so it begins... 2011 is starting out great.

That is a huge bull. The velvet makes him look bigger - and cuddly too. Makes you just want to pinch his cheeks and snuggle with him.


UTROY
Proverbs 21:19 (why I hunt!)
 
Maybe We should let them finish Sprouting to see if He mighta been as big as last year?

Can't imagine shooting a Bull Elk in this kinda Heat!

But then again,I've never had a chance at a July 400"er niether!:D

For GAWDS Sakes Guys,We Got Kids on this Site,Some of them are 65 years Old!:D

I don't care if they're big or small!
If they throw lead I like em all!
:p
 
>Im sure the meat was a
>complete loss,mossback Fn shiz up
>in yet another state...

Can you please tell us when you personally had this problem with mossback.
I'm sure one hunter wouldn't bash another unless he can verify it actually happened
Or is this another hater comment you heard from a
friends,brothers,aunt,twice removed cousin ordeal
 
LAST EDITED ON Jul-24-11 AT 09:07PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Jul-24-11 AT 09:05?PM (MST)


>Im sure the meat was a
>complete loss,mossback Fn shiz up
>in yet another state...

No meat loss. Here is a 400" burrito the guys enjoyed today for lunch.


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>Im sure the meat was a
>complete loss,mossback Fn shiz up
>in yet another state...


Go to the link again and scroll down on the first page and there is a pic of the bulls backstraps cooked up on a plate. I'm pretty sure everything was done possible to salvage as much meat as possible. AZMB boys are good group of guys. There's no need for comments like this.
 
>Im sure the meat was a
>complete loss,mossback Fn shiz up
>in yet another state...


you have no idea what you're talking about. the meat on this bull will be enjoyed over many camp fires this year. they said it tasted great. one of the first questions asked. can you imagine that???? a 400+ monster that tastes good.

btw, mossback az. has been "Fn shiz up" in az. for the last 5+ years. big ones to. check out their blog...
 
>>Im sure the meat was a
>>complete loss,mossback Fn shiz up
>>in yet another state...
>
>
>you have no idea what you're
>talking about. the meat
>on this bull will be
>enjoyed over many camp fires
>this year. they said
>it tasted great. one
>of the first questions asked.
> can you imagine that????
> a 400+ monster that
>tastes good.
>
>btw, mossback az. has been "Fn
>shiz up" in az. for
>the last 5+ years.
>big ones to. check
>out their blog...


Couldnt of said it any better. lol.
 
What a stud bull! I'd love to see that velvet rubbed off though! Let the jealous haters have their soapbox! I was once a hater too...but then I grew up!


Traditional >>>------->
 
>Yup i knew you was a
>roady! You guys hunt elk
>in jan to?
>
>
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i would if i had the tag, lol!! i will be huntin' carp deer this january, with my bow. on the winter grounds to.. but, the state of n.m. was the ones that decided that.
 
Awesome bull. Those fronts and 4th points are simply incredible. Congrats to Alan and the crew on a tremendous trophy.

Eldorado
 
Just a beautiful animal and at least one on this thread sounds more than a little jeaslous and doesn't know what he's talking about.
 
Great bull. To me it is a shame when these smart old animals are killed because the rules of the game changed to make money. The fact of the matter is the reason these type of tags sell for a bunch of money is because they give a great chance to kill a huge trophy animal.When governor type tags more restricted in nature they sell for a fraction of what tags to use a rifle all year long sell for. I am sure a lot of work was done by the guides and the hunter probably spent a lot of time and effort on the hunt as well. However whether you kill a 370 or a 390 or a 430 the fact is you are pretty much guaranteed a huge bull. The rules have been changed to make money and I appreciate the money spent helping wildlife conservation because it is very important. However just because a person does not agree with something does not always mean they are jealous. Personally this type of trophy would mean very little to me and I am a serious trophy hunter. I measure trophies in a different way than just score however. I want to kill a bull like this just as bad as the guys who buy these tags but I want to kill him hunting during a season on a unit with other hunters also having a chance at him. I use the replacement theory to weigh hunter accomplishment. If the guy pulling the trigger could be replaced by most competent hunters and the outcome would be the same(large trophy killed) I do not look at that hunter with jealousy. Some of the magazine cover trigger pullers are great hunters and some are merely rich. Essentially year round governor or raffle type tags are legalized poaching you are merely paying your fine before hand. If some poor guy killed that bull in July and got caught everyone would condemn him and rightly so but would he be a better hunter than the guy who bought the tag, hired an army, and showed up in July to kill the bull. Something to think about when glorifying these type of trophies. Just my 2 cents.
 
LAST EDITED ON Jul-25-11 AT 09:22AM (MST)[p]Maybe jealous is the wrong word to use in this situation, but for some reason there are some that don't like it whenever a good animal gets killed by these guides. If they aren't doing anything illegal, I don't have to like it, but I'm not going to castigate them like they are criminals. Yes, the guy paid big bucks for the tag and big bucks for the guiding, etc. It still took them the better part of the year when the animal had his rack to accomplish the task and nobody else shot that monster from the time he was a legal bull until last week! That tells me that even though I only do DIY hunting like you mentioned to be satisfied that what they accomplished should not be called "easy" or even worse "legalized poaching" like you did!

PS: I, for one, was glorifying the animal itself, and not the hunting method or season length that ended in it's demise!
 
I want to add Congrats to Alan, Chad, and Jay.. They put their time in and got-er-done.

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Later, Brandon
 
I would be willing to bet that people like Mr. Hamberlin do more for conservation through thier monetary donations then all of the internet experts on these sites combined.

Congrats guys
 
'legalized poaching' haha does that mean buying any type of tag makes you a contract killer??

To suggest that any type of hunting is less than another is sheer lunacy, hunting is hunting no matter when you do it or with whom..... it all provides a unique set of challenges to those involved whether it be january or june, April or october all have different senarios that make hunting difficult.

'entitlement issues' LMAO brow!!!!

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smoker bull, would have rather seen him hard horned but hey...this time of year I will take what I can get!
 
LAST EDITED ON Jul-25-11 AT 10:11PM (MST)[p]That "legalized poaching"posts was one of the stupidest posts I have ever read.

It started out reasonable, but, the true colors showed through with the "legalized poaching" comment.

Where do you even start with something that dumb?
 
Great bull and great job to the guides.

That being said, these guys that get on and bash rich hunters and guides are rediculous... you guys sound like Obama!!! He probably flew to AZ in a corporate jet too right!!! To each his own, I hunt DIY exclusivly but I'm sure as heck not going to condem anyone else for doing something perfectly legal. A bull of that magnitude is going to be tough to hunt no matter what. Will it be a bit easier without other hunters around? Sure but thats why the hunter paid what he did for the hunt. AND as far as you bashers know, he could be a 50k a year guy who saved most of his adult life for this hunt. And if he does have money, I can almost gaurantee HE earned it. Pisses me off something fierce to hear you idiots bash rich guys. I could be what some consider rich and I can f-ing promise you I've earned every freakin penny I have!


"The deadliest weapon in the world is a Marine and his rifle." General John J. "Black Jack" Pershing, US Army
"Most men go through life wondering if they made a difference, Marines don't have that problem." President Ronald Regan
 
AZWALKER, great post! Im not well off and have to save for every hunt I go on but for those who can afford it, more power to them.

Great Job on Mossback and Alan, big congrats! He's a beauty!!


GBA
 
I don't necessarily disapprove of guide services...

But the tag holder gets a full year...?? That's really like getting two years of hunting the animal. Let's say they started hunting this bull last year on Aug 1. They hunted him all last year, and this year too... I'm not so sure I like that... but I guess Arizona knows what they're doing...

So what does the Gov tag holder hunt this year...?? The best bull just got killed by LAST YEAR'S tag holder... lol


"Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!" 2 Ne. 28: 24
 
First off, it's only one tag and it isn't going to ruin the game population. Second, how can you say it was the best bull out there?
 
>First off, it's only one tag
>and it isn't going to
>ruin the game population.
>Second, how can you say
>it was the best bull
>out there?


with you on that one. define best?? to each their own. this was the "best" bull for allan. there are other giant typicals and non-typicals waiting to be hunted this yr. good luck.
 
There are couple different ways to get the "year long tags". You can either pay for the auction tags or you can enter the big game raffle. They do a raffle every year for each big game species. I think the raffle tickets cost from 20 to 50 bucks depending on the species. The auction tags are state wide, the raffle tags are basically statewide with maybe a select few units unavailable. So... that is 2 statewide tags per species per year. Not a huge dent any way you look at it. The auction tags are a great source of revenue to the coservation group they go to. The raffle tags are cool because they give us regular joe's a chance at tag they would normally spend tens of thousands of dollars on.

I'm sorry if I sounded off a little in my prior post but there seems to be this underlying distaste for individuals that are blessed enough to make a good living. For most of my adult life I made barely enough to get by. I made a career change about 9 years ago and my long hours are finally paying off. When I hear individuals refer to "rich guys" in a negative context, it gets me riled a bit. Who is anyone to judge someone because they have money? Are you assuming because someone has money they are a trustfund baby??? What if a guy does make a good living and because of the hours he spends making that money, he doesn't have the time he would like to have to scout? is he a bad guy because he hires a guide? Does he love the sport or the outdoors any less because he hires a guide? Now that being said, 75% of the pleasure i gain from hunting is the time I spend scouting and doing the things some hire a guide to do. So I go DIY. If theres another guy out there that wants to hire a guide, awsome, more power to him. Stop judging people because you think they have too much... theres a 90% chance you haven't the slightest clue what you're talking about and you're an a-hole.


"The deadliest weapon in the world is a Marine and his rifle." General John J. "Black Jack" Pershing, US Army
"Most men go through life wondering if they made a difference, Marines don't have that problem." President Ronald Regan
 
The bull is awesome,the circumstances to these hunts are BS.If that meat was enjoyed by anything it was the coyotes,you really think your going to save meat when your hunting in 101 degree heat and you let it sit on the ground till after dark to take you pics?Get real.
 
>The bull is awesome,the circumstances to
>these hunts are BS.If that
>meat was enjoyed by anything
>it was the coyotes,you really
>think your going to save
>meat when your hunting in
>101 degree heat and you
>let it sit on the
>ground till after dark to
>take you pics?Get real.


Here we go, another guy who doesnt know what the heck he is talking about. And I know you dont know the circumstances or you wouldnt be running your mouth. Were you there? Do you know what time the bull was shot? Do you know what the temperatures were? Do you know how the meat was cared for. Its people like you who are a bunch of whinin crybabies. Tryin to find anything wrong with anything that you dont agree with. Get over it man.
 
Those who think the meat spoiled prove that they themselves have no idea of how to care for a downed animal in any weather.
Why do posts concerning Mossback turn into a D-bag audition?
 
>The bull is awesome,the circumstances to
>these hunts are BS.If that
>meat was enjoyed by anything
>it was the coyotes,you really
>think your going to save
>meat when your hunting in
>101 degree heat and you
>let it sit on the
>ground till after dark to
>take you pics?Get real.


Rifle deer in KA for A zone starts in August, Bow season starts in July.
It is well over 100 degrees in most of that unit during that time, let along hunting D12.
I have hunted all of these and have never lost a single deer to spoilage.

I have seen morons hunting in cold weather ruin meat because they were lazy fools.

The internet experts are in force for this one.
 
One more thing. Why do you think they waited till dark to take pics?
Do you know they did this for a fact?

I do not know of any good reason to wait till dark to take pics.
 
I don't think its just the Mossback guys that get all the grief, its anybody that consistantly puts big animals on the ground and make a living doing it. It boils down to jealousy. Everybody has an opinion about everything and you can hardly find a thread anymore without someone feeling the need to voice thier negative outlook on a particular situation.

You guys that like to complain... you ought to take that energy and do something useful with it. Call your senator and tell them not to cave to that whiner in the Whitehouse on this debt ceiling garbage! If you happen to live in Nevada... vote Harry Reid OUT OF OFFICE!!!!

I can promise you there are Antelope taken every year in August in 100 plus degree weather here in AZ, some might even push close to 105, nobody says anything about that. I took my first archery muley on a 100 degree day and didn't lose one ounce of meat. As a matter of fact, i drug the deer of the mountain, got to the cabin and realized I forgot the heart at the kill site. I didn't get back to that heart until 2 hours later and guess what? It was fine!



"The deadliest weapon in the world is a Marine and his rifle." General John J. "Black Jack" Pershing, US Army
"Most men go through life wondering if they made a difference, Marines don't have that problem." President Ronald Regan
 
NONYAMT,

Seriously? You send all these alerts over the last couple of days of "internet trolls" and come on this thread and make comments like that? LMAO!!!!!!!!! You can dish it but you can't take it. This was your last alert saying the guy was a troll.


"NONEYET, You ever seen a moose or a deer? I bet hunting season is damn frustrating for you. No wonder you're always so grumpy."


You'd expect that comment to be removed but not your's... LOL.. "GET REAL"

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Later, Brandon
 
> Those who think the meat
>spoiled prove that they themselves
>have no idea of how
>to care for a downed
>animal in any weather.
> Why do posts concerning Mossback
>turn into a D-bag audition?
>


because the size of the animals they kill. must be all the posse hunting, "legalized poaching", law breaking hunting they do. LOL.... not the intense year-round scouting, dedication to attaining goals, and sweat equity they have put into their passion.

some of these have no clue. good job to all those involved in locating, harvesting, and caring for this beast. btw, i hope the meat isn't bad, i planned on snacking on it quite a bit in october...
 
>>The bull is awesome,the circumstances to
>>these hunts are BS.If that
>>meat was enjoyed by anything
>>it was the coyotes,you really
>>think your going to save
>>meat when your hunting in
>>101 degree heat and you
>>let it sit on the
>>ground till after dark to
>>take you pics?Get real.
>
>
>Rifle deer in KA for A
>zone starts in August, Bow
>season starts in July.
>It is well over 100 degrees
>in most of that unit
>during that time, let along
>hunting D12.
>I have hunted all of these
>and have never lost a
>single deer to spoilage.
>
>I have seen morons hunting in
>cold weather ruin meat because
>they were lazy fools.
>
>The internet experts are in force
>for this one.


100% Spot On there Paul.
I've been bowhunting for the last two weeks.
If we waited for cool weather in A zone we wouldn't hunt.
 
Like I said in a previous thread guys gotta get there pokes in.....if there isn't a good mossback, DNR, or poaching thread they turn on each other.......now for the most part there should be peace on the forum, we have a mossback thread for entertainment.....

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>What a stud bull! I'd love
>to see that velvet rubbed
>off though! Let the jealous
>haters have their soapbox! I
>was once a hater too...but
>then I grew up!

^ same here! lol
 
Well, it's over 400' and gettin some hype so I just called it "the best bull out there"... If they had a better one to hunt, wouldn't they have gone after it instead...??

It was really just for effect... I didn't literally mean that it was the best bull and everyone should just stop huntin... :D

"Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!" 2 Ne. 28: 24
 
Hello AZWALKER,
I completely agree with ALMOST everything you said.
In the future, you will refer to me as "Mr. A. Hole"!

Regards,
Elkchaser
 
Its not hard at all. I know most of you have regular jobs and can't get out much to scout around. But let me tell you how easy it is. My wife has a good job where I don't have to work. So I am able to get out and look around a lot. If you get into these trophy units it doesn't take long before you find the biggest animals in the area. The animals in these areas are not like the game in general areas, they are more easily sought out and found. I've seen Mulies over 200" right from the road! The guys from mossyback have a lot of time and money to do all this looking around the same as I do. And most of the time is done in draw areas where big trophies can be found.As long as you have time and money it is easy. The hard part of the whole thing is getting drawn!!!
 
IDshooter695,

Everyone of the mossback guides have a full time job bro.. I doubt you know any of them. I am glad you can get out.. That would be awesome having a money maker at home.

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Later, Brandon
 
Awesome bull by awesome guides. I personally know Jay and u won't get any better of a guy at killing giant bulls and he has proven that for MANY years. Congrats to all involved.
 
Pretty bull, too bad his last year of life he was harrased 365, but mossback is a succesfull buisnessman, but so was Heidi Fleis
 
yea, to bad man.. poor elk, im sure all those hunters in the field pushed him constantly, oh wait, you meant mossback.. I guess when your name rhymes with ##### you have to be one :)
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Later, Brandon
 
And if your name is Browtine you have to defend Doyle to the death...All these stories cant be lies,some maybe,all of them ,no Fn way.
 
NONYAMT,

Just curious, why even open your mouth? You hate trolls yet everytime mossback or SPAZ is mentioned, your mouth opens and you have nothing good to say? Why say anything at all? If you spent more time thinking about you, and less time worrying about "trolls" and mossback, I think you might actually be a little happier here! Hell, I may even start defending you!
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Later, Brandon
 
Browtine,

Hey Bro<LOL Ya it is nice having a money maker at home, I get to do what even some of these elk buyers dont get to do. I get to hunt big game all the time and never have to go to work the next week. The only difference is I have hunting morals and choose not to purchase my game and hunt it for myself its much more rewarding.
If they don't have the time to get out and earn game because they are too busy at work,find a different sport. They're not impressing any real hunters except for people like you browtine.
Anyone can buy big deer and elk.
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-12-11 AT 07:21AM (MST)[p]That was one of the dumbest posts I've read yet. Since when is hiring someone to perform a legal service a moral issue?

If you went down to San Diego and wanted to go sport fishing, would you take your bass boat or would you charter a fishing boat? Well i guess all those people who charter fishing boats are immoral, lazy fisherman who are in it for the glory. How could we even call it fishing? It would be catching! Those huge Yellowfin just jump on the line!

Or better yet, they shouldn't fish at all. If they live in Colorado and can't afford to by a ocean yacht they should just pick a different sport!

And sh!t while we're at it, if they catch a record fish, they can't enter it because they didn't own the boat or maybe even a fishing pole.

Just because you get out and do it yourself doesn't make you the great white hunter pal. No body is impressed with the fact that you are some how blessed as a do-it-yourselfer. You should be entered into the hunting hall of fame because you broke your back and didn't hire a guide.

Funny thing is... I've never hired a guide. I'm DIY all the way and probabaly won't ever hire a guide. But you know what??? I'll be damned if I'm gonna turn my nose up at someone or their efforts because they choose to hire a guide.

Dumbest thing I've ever heard.... arrogant, pompus, B.S.

*EDIT*
Another thread shows famous bow maker and PSE legend Pete Shepley with a huge bull he shot and he was guided by Mossback. Mark my words, you won't see anyone bash him on that thread. Watch!



"The deadliest weapon in the world is a Marine and his rifle." General John J. "Black Jack" Pershing, US Army
"Most men go through life wondering if they made a difference, Marines don't have that problem." President Ronald Regan
 
I gotta add something else.

My buddy is a guide. He started to guiding for one simple reason, he loves to hunt. Doesn't need the money, just loves to hunt. He has a love of the outdoors that I haven't seen in most hunters. You are also be-rating guys like him when you bash guided hunts. Thats why I'm taking such a great offense at your comments.

"The deadliest weapon in the world is a Marine and his rifle." General John J. "Black Jack" Pershing, US Army
"Most men go through life wondering if they made a difference, Marines don't have that problem." President Ronald Regan
 
You know whats funny? If 75% guide haters ever got a once in a lifetime tag or spent their savings and got a Gov tag... they'd be hiring a guide.

I don't think the root of this issue is guides or guided hunters, I think the root of this issue is an inner distain for "rich" people. I know one public figure with the same root issue... his name is Barak Obama!

"The deadliest weapon in the world is a Marine and his rifle." General John J. "Black Jack" Pershing, US Army
"Most men go through life wondering if they made a difference, Marines don't have that problem." President Ronald Regan
 
I would take that bet. First, my life savings for an animal?? Not a big bank account, but seeing my pic with some animal, no matter how big, is just a picture. I drew my LE elk a few years back. Didn't kill a monster, not a record booker, but man did I have a good time. The guys I went with and I now have this lifetime experience together. All the work that was done, all the scouting, all the effort, made it a better experience. Does doyle have that experience with this bull, YEAH. He watched it, he tracked it, he hunted it, then he called some dude and Dude pulled a trigger. Is Doyle a great hunter, yeah, even without finders fees he probably is, but the trigger puller(arrow shooter) with him, NO! He made a good shot. I do it all the time at the range, not once did I think that made me worthy of praise. Go to arizona(you obviously have the money, put out some finders fees), scout, work, find, and kill that elk, it might mean something more than that you can shoot straight! Is Doyle evil for doing it, no. But to me all the guy in the pic did was follow directions and shoot straight, my 5 year old does that and he doesn't think he is the worlds great hunter.


When they came for the road hunters I was not one so I said nothing. When they came for the oppurtunists I was not one so I said nothing. When they came for the public land hunters I was not one so I said nothing. When they came for me there was no one left to say anything!
 
I said 75 percent. I would be in that 25 percent myself.

"The deadliest weapon in the world is a Marine and his rifle."
General John J. "Black Jack" Pershing, US Army
"Most men go through life wondering if they made a difference, Marines don't have that problem." President Ronald Regan
 
>You know whats funny? If 75%
>guide haters ever got a
>once in a lifetime tag
>or spent their savings and
>got a Gov tag... they'd
>be hiring a guide.
>
>I don't think the root of
>this issue is guides or
>guided hunters, I think the
>root of this issue is
>an inner distain for "rich"
>people. I know one public
>figure with the same root
>issue... his name is Barak
>Obama!
>
>"The deadliest weapon in the world
>is a Marine and his
>rifle." General John J. "Black
>Jack" Pershing, US Army
>"Most men go through life wondering
>if they made a difference,
>Marines don't have that problem."
>President Ronald Regan


Bingo!

Thats exactly it. I can post DIY hunts of big animals I killed on my own in my home state and the comments are always the same. "If I had your money I could kill big stuff to. Take your comments and shove them cuz the rich don't count"

Most every time I post something in the nm section of this forum I get blasted. Why? because for some reason if you have money you aren't allowed to enjoy hunting and your less of a person. People are naturally envious of the successful and will hate them to the end. Well all I can say to all the rich haters is to just hate your self into a miserable little hole. In the mean time the successful will continue to enjoy life whether you approve of our success or not. And when it comes time to help the other guys the so called "rich guys" will always be there to help a buddy out. I personally really dislike most of the mm crowd because they are about the most hateful and shallow people I know. However there are some good ones on here and I have helped out more than I care to count and will continue to do so. I will also continue to make people think I'm the bad person they assume I must be since supposedly I'm "rich".
 
Maybe its their poor self image that makes them bash.

If you like who you are and you're satisfied with the success in your life, to include hunting, why even comment on whether someone is guided or not? What do you care? Is it envy?

"The deadliest weapon in the world is a Marine and his rifle." General John J. "Black Jack" Pershing, US Army
"Most men go through life wondering if they made a difference, Marines don't have that problem." President Ronald Regan
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-13-11 AT 09:00AM (MST)[p]>Browtine,
>
>The only difference is I
>have hunting morals and choose
>not to purchase my game
>and hunt it for myself
>its much more rewarding.
>If they don't have the time
>to get out and earn
>game because they are too
>busy at work,find a different
>sport. They're not impressing any
>real hunters except for people
>like you browtine.
>Anyone can buy big deer and
>elk.


Hey Pal, guess what. I'm one of those "hunters" that you are digging on right now. You know the type that is too busy with work and has to "pay for an animial" because we can't do it ourselves. Are you serious or just an envious suckwad?

Yep, I bought one of those conservation tags in Utah in one of the best units and guess what, I'm using Mossback as my guide service. I can ensure you of one thing, I didn't buy a bull and they don't have one tied to a tree, I bought the opportunity to go hunting where the big bulls roam. The mossback team and myself are going to hunt our @ssess off to go find a big bull an have an awesome experience doing it.

So tell me why I am any less hunter then you are? What makes you a real hunter and me less of a hunter? What makes you so special and better then the rest? I too spend hours glassing and scouting in my home state (not Utah). When time affords I'm up in the mountains days on end training and hiking. I donate time and money to multiple conservation groups to protect my hunting heritage. What do you do other then belittle those that do the same?

I happen to work my arse off so I can go do some awesome hunts as that my life passion and I do that with the highest of morals. It isn't about the killing as you suggest. Pulling the trigger is only about 5% of the total experience. I happen to like hunting in multiple states and countries when time allows. And I use guides for areas I am not familar with, and I've made some great friends doing so. Remember its about the experience. So what is your problem? I guess I am less of a hunter then you and don't earn anything.

I would love to take you kind of guys out hunting, but you wouldn't be able to keep up. All talk and no walk...literally.
 
idig4au---That may be the best first post by anyone that I have ever read on a site! Welcome and don't let schmucks like that bother you. They have their head so far up their fat AZZ that they don't know which end's up, LOL!!! Good luck on your hunts this Fall and please post pictures of that big one when you get him. If you don't get him, then show us some pictures of the hunt because, as you stated, that's what being out there is all about!!!
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-13-11 AT 08:58AM (MST)[p]>idig4au---That may be the best first
>post by anyone that I
>have ever read on a
>site! Welcome and don't
>let schmucks like that bother
>you. They have their
>head so far up their
>fat AZZ that they don't
>know which end's up, LOL!!!
> Good luck on your
>hunts this Fall and please
>post pictures of that big
>one when you get him.
> If you don't get
>him, then show us some
>pictures of the hunt because,
>as you stated, that's what
>being out there is all
>about!!!


Thanks for the kind words TOPGUN and I couldn't agree with you more regarding your comments on some of the people's attitudes here. I can't believe some of the logic people use here. Amazing.

I've been a lurker here for quite some time and enjoy reading the posts of guys gearing up for the hunting season. That is what its all about. The board gets fun this time of year. Its a great time of year. Only about 5 more weeks until the start of the LE rifle season and I'm already on fire and can't wait! It should be an awesome hunt, but then again, any hunt is awesome. Just being in the mountains is awesome.
 
IDshooter695,

That's quite an attitude for fellow hunters. I grew up from an immigrant Italian family that worked hard to make it in this country. My grandfather was able to buy a ranch in the 50's and he passed on the hunting tradition to his own kids and then along to me. I followed him around when I was knee-high to a grasshopper hunting everything under the sun. I killed my first rabbit when I was 6 and my first buck when I was 9. I quit the high school football team when the coach wouldn't let me take a weekend off to go on a family deer hunting trip. I have been lucky enough to hunt all over the world. If we knew the territory, we would and still do it by ourselves. If we didn't know the territory, or if the hunt happened to be in Africa where guides are mandatory, we would go with outfitters. Besides the spot and stalk tactics that most of us use, I learned how to track a buck from our Mexican guides for miles and miles. I still use this tactic every year on our Mexico ranch without a guide. Now to the point...I hired a very reputable outfitter to take me on an elk hunt on the Monroe this year. I don't know the territory and I want to maximize my chances at a very limited tag. Does this make me a "wannabe" hunter? Should I look for a different hobby because I am running that same family business that doesn't allow me the time to go and scout the Monroe? Your ignorance is really astounding. Maybe I should thank you for your stupidity, as it provoked my first post on this forum. I just hate to think that the future of our sport rests on the shoulders of men that think it's ok to "schlub" off of their women to have the time to be "real hunters".

Dsrthntr
 
"Schlub"---I've never heard that one before in all my years, but if it means that guy's a achmuck that's sponging off his wife, I think I liked your first post!
 
93Trojan,

That is an outstanding post! Thanks for that. That misinformed fellow provoked my first post as well. How much do you wanna bet he doesn't even respond back?

Good luck on your Monroe hunt and I hope you get a slammer and have a great experience. Post some pictures of your elk when you get him.

idig4au
 
TOPGUN,

I appreciate the response. I guess I was just brought up "old school". Though I am not that old...born in 71, I was taught that a man should work and provide for his family...young or old. I'm not saying that it's not nice to have a spouse that makes great money, but that's not an excuse to spend all of your time in the mountains. I'm sure that it would be nice, but every time that I here of the Chinese passing us as the financial power of the world, I find it troubling. Maybe if some of us "hunters" would participate a little more, we wouldn't be in the troubles that we are in.
 
All you guys crack me up. First let me say that I made enough money in my first twenty years of working to pay off my house, buy my wife and myself a new car and put 40,000 into a college fund for my sons education. I did that by working hard and getting educated and got a real job. I've seen posts on here where a guy goes and shoots a elk in a high fenced area and tries to put it in the record books and everyone says hes a dumb*%# but if a guy pays money to hire a team of guides to find a trophy that's okay. If you have an opinion that's great but at least stay true to it and don't be a hypocrite!! But maybe that's the lack of education showing through. I see a lot of this with the new age so called hunters.


Hunting is not just what you do, its a way of life.
Live it,breathe it and have a passion for it or leave it alone.
 
I could care less how much money you've made in your life or how you make it now.

The instance you were talking about was the guy that went to a game farm in Idaho, shot a monster bull, then tried to pass it off as a bull from Colorado and get it in the record books. That IS a moral issue because very simply, he's lying! He is a dumba$$. If a guy wants to hunt a game farm, let him, who gives a sh!t? I would never hunt on one. Its not a moral issue for me, its a "who the heck would want to?" issue.

I guess my question for you is this. Why do you care? What difference, with all this great success in your life, does it make to you? From a hunting standpoint... if you've done well at it, worked hard, hiked the miles and done your best, you should be very please and satisfied with your accomplishments... right? So, if thats the case, why do you care if someone uses a guide? Hunting is not a team sport! It is for individual satisfaction. If you're satisfied and have achieved your goals, who the hell cares what someone else does and.... how in Gods name is that a moral issue? There are some hunters on this site who have accomplished great things in their lives as hunters. Things many of us admire and aspire to do and guess what.... many of them have used guides at different times. You do not know the guy that shot that bull up there from Adam. You have no idea what he has done prior to this bull. This might have been his first time with a guide. YOU DO NOT KNOW! So just say "nice bull" and keep your stupid judgements to yourself!


"The deadliest weapon in the world is a Marine and his rifle." General John J. "Black Jack" Pershing, US Army
"Most men go through life wondering if they made a difference, Marines don't have that problem." President Ronald Regan
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-15-11 AT 07:09AM (MST)[p]Good post AZ! Why does he think anybody gives a damn about him, how much money he has, and telling us all how good he is? If he had a brain bigger than a pea, he wouldn't be making these stupid azz posts on this thread! Most people would call that a pompous azz talking out his azz!!! Who gives a rats azz what he has or hasn't accomplished in life but obviously himself, LOL! Sounds to me like the broad he's sponging off of is a little "off center" too! Nuff said!!!
 
Randy Ulmer uses a guide, Jim Shocky uses guides and is one, Craig Bodington uses guides, every out of state hunter that hunts Alaska uses a guide, every out of state hunter that hunt Wyoming wilderness areas uses a guide and by your logic they aren't real hunters. Well crap, I guess you've got the best of the best in the hunting community pegged by your lofty standards!! I want to grow up to be just like you!

"The deadliest weapon in the world is a Marine and his rifle." General John J. "Black Jack" Pershing, US Army
"Most men go through life wondering if they made a difference, Marines don't have that problem." President Ronald Regan
 
I don't live in Alaska, so to hunt it I would most likely use a guide. I don't live in Wyoming, but because I can drive there and spend a weekend scouting, probably not going to. I live in Utah. If I draw a Pahvant tag, I can spend a weekend scouting. Same with the Henries, Monroe, Pauns, etc. There is a huge difference between being an out of stater and not being able to get there, and the guys who live in the area and YEAR AFTER YEAR, or who hunt the same area YEAR AFTER YEAR and use guides to do it. Denny Austad(for example) has endless time to hunt, endless money, and buys tags in Utah in the same area YEAR AFTER YEAR. He is a DR. so I assume he is smart, can't he remember what and where Doyle told him last year about where to hunt, etc?? If there is no differnce between DIY and guided, why do the guided guys get so pissed when someone points out they used one? I have never got upset when someone says I killed whatever DIY. Lastly I care because I can't spend countless dollars bribing(lobbying) the DWR and legislatures to open more oppurtunity for high dollar hunters(Antelope Island), and close more oppurtunity for us shlubs(next years tag cuts). The pinhead legislators see that someone paid 175k for spidey and instantly they see a cash cow. Thats the ONLY reason we have Antelope Island deer hunts this year. If it wasn't for the big money guarantee by SFW, it would never have happened for the draw guys. My dad got into building old cars. He got his going and started hitting the shows. The builders, who built it themselves, then competed against the dudes who paid Boyd Cottington to build them one. At the end of the day the talent was the builders and Boyd, not the dude who opened the wallet. I am old school though. I HATE touchdown dances. I HATE screaming after a dunk. And if I was a pitcher and some dude showboated after a homer, he would have fastballs at his head all day. The bull in this pic is pretty. I would shoot it in a heartbeat. I love to hunt. But in your dark secret little places even the Doyle lovers know that it would be more impressive if this hunter did it himself. I just am a bigger mouth than most and point it out.


When they came for the road hunters I was not one so I said nothing. When they came for the oppurtunists I was not one so I said nothing. When they came for the public land hunters I was not one so I said nothing. When they came for me there was no one left to say anything!
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-15-11 AT 08:41PM (MST)[p]>I don't live in Alaska, so
>to hunt it I would
>most likely use a guide.
> I don't live in
>Wyoming, but because I can
>drive there and spend a
>weekend scouting, probably not going
>to. I live in
>Utah. If I draw
>a Pahvant tag, I can
>spend a weekend scouting. Same
>with the Henries, Monroe, Pauns,
>etc. There is a
>huge difference between being an
>out of stater and not
>being able to get there,
>and the guys who live
>in the area and YEAR
>AFTER YEAR, or who hunt
>the same area YEAR AFTER
>YEAR and use guides to
>do it. Denny Austad(for
>example) has endless time to
>hunt, endless money, and buys
>tags in Utah in the
>same area YEAR AFTER YEAR.
> He is a DR.
>so I assume he is
>smart, can't he remember what
>and where Doyle told him
>last year about where to
>hunt, etc?? If there
>is no differnce between DIY
>and guided, why do the
>guided guys get so pissed
>when someone points out they
>used one? I have
>never got upset when someone
>says I killed whatever DIY.
>> Lastly I care because
>I can't spend countless dollars
>bribing(lobbying) the DWR and legislatures
>to open more oppurtunity for
>high dollar hunters(Antelope Island), and
>close more oppurtunity for us
shlubs(next years tag cuts).
>The pinhead legislators see that
>someone paid 175k for spidey
>and instantly they see a
>cash cow. Thats the
>ONLY reason we have Antelope
>Island deer hunts this year.
> If it wasn't for
>the big money guarantee by
>SFW, it would never have
>happened for the draw guys.
> My dad got into
>building old cars. He
>got his going and started
>hitting the shows. The
>builders, who built it themselves,
>then competed against the dudes
>who paid Boyd Cottington to
>build them one. At
>the end of the day
>the talent was the builders
>and Boyd, not the dude
>who opened the wallet.
>I am old school though.
> I HATE touchdown dances.
> I HATE screaming after
>a dunk. And if
>I was a pitcher and
>some dude showboated after a
>homer, he would have fastballs
>at his head all day.
> The bull in this
>pic is pretty. I
>would shoot it in a
>heartbeat. I love to
>hunt. But in your
>dark secret little places even
>the Doyle lovers know that
>it would be more impressive
>if this hunter did it
>himself. I just am
>a bigger mouth than most
>and point it out.
>
>
>When they came for the road
>hunters I was not one
>so I said nothing.
>When they came for the
>oppurtunists I was not one
>so I said nothing.
>When they came for the
>public land hunters I was
>not one so I said
>nothing. When they came
>for me there was no
>one left to say anything!
>


If I remember right I think there was an Antelope Island draw tag this year. thus opening more "oppurtunity for the shlubs"
 
Hossblur, that was a well thought out, respectful answer. When someone with a level head explains hiself in an unoffensive articulate manner, it leads others to open their ears and here another side of things. I can completely umderstand where you're coming from. Its a little different down here in AZ. Our dept doesn't seem to want the big money guys taking over but your point is enlightening. Good post.

"The deadliest weapon in the world is a Marine and his rifle." General John J. "Black Jack" Pershing, US Army
"Most men go through life wondering if they made a difference, Marines don't have that problem." President Ronald Regan
 
>LAST EDITED ON Aug-15-11
>AT 08:41?PM (MST)
>
>>I don't live in Alaska, so
>>to hunt it I would
>>most likely use a guide.
>> I don't live in
>>Wyoming, but because I can
>>drive there and spend a
>>weekend scouting, probably not going
>>to. I live in
>>Utah. If I draw
>>a Pahvant tag, I can
>>spend a weekend scouting. Same
>>with the Henries, Monroe, Pauns,
>>etc. There is a
>>huge difference between being an
>>out of stater and not
>>being able to get there,
>>and the guys who live
>>in the area and YEAR
>>AFTER YEAR, or who hunt
>>the same area YEAR AFTER
>>YEAR and use guides to
>>do it. Denny Austad(for
>>example) has endless time to
>>hunt, endless money, and buys
>>tags in Utah in the
>>same area YEAR AFTER YEAR.
>> He is a DR.
>>so I assume he is
>>smart, can't he remember what
>>and where Doyle told him
>>last year about where to
>>hunt, etc?? If there
>>is no differnce between DIY
>>and guided, why do the
>>guided guys get so pissed
>>when someone points out they
>>used one? I have
>>never got upset when someone
>>says I killed whatever DIY.
>>> Lastly I care because
>>I can't spend countless dollars
>>bribing(lobbying) the DWR and legislatures
>>to open more oppurtunity for
>>high dollar hunters(Antelope Island), and
>>close more oppurtunity for us
>shlubs(next years tag cuts).
>>The pinhead legislators see that
>>someone paid 175k for spidey
>>and instantly they see a
>>cash cow. Thats the
>>ONLY reason we have Antelope
>>Island deer hunts this year.
>> If it wasn't for
>>the big money guarantee by
>>SFW, it would never have
>>happened for the draw guys.
>> My dad got into
>>building old cars. He
>>got his going and started
>>hitting the shows. The
>>builders, who built it themselves,
>>then competed against the dudes
>>who paid Boyd Cottington to
>>build them one. At
>>the end of the day
>>the talent was the builders
>>and Boyd, not the dude
>>who opened the wallet.
>>I am old school though.
>> I HATE touchdown dances.
>> I HATE screaming after
>>a dunk. And if
>>I was a pitcher and
>>some dude showboated after a
>>homer, he would have fastballs
>>at his head all day.
>> The bull in this
>>pic is pretty. I
>>would shoot it in a
>>heartbeat. I love to
>>hunt. But in your
>>dark secret little places even
>>the Doyle lovers know that
>>it would be more impressive
>>if this hunter did it
>>himself. I just am
>>a bigger mouth than most
>>and point it out.
>>
>>
>>When they came for the road
>>hunters I was not one
>>so I said nothing.
>>When they came for the
>>oppurtunists I was not one
>>so I said nothing.
>>When they came for the
>>public land hunters I was
>>not one so I said
>>nothing. When they came
>>for me there was no
>>one left to say anything!
>>
>
>
> If I remember right I
>think there was an Antelope
>Island draw tag this year.
>thus opening more "oppurtunity for
>the shlubs"


Yeah the legislature was "johnny on it" to put out a draw tag. It was SFW guaranteeing the tag that opened Antelope Island. Otherwise why not just put out 2 draw tags because the DWR believed it biologically necesssary to hunt the deer out there. Without SFW, there would be not tag. SO yeah a common guy got a tag. Why didn't we get 2 draw tags and no bought tags? The draw tag was put out in hopes of making us choke down the bought tag.

When they came for the road hunters I was not one so I said nothing. When they came for the oppurtunists I was not one so I said nothing. When they came for the public land hunters I was not one so I said nothing. When they came for me there was no one left to say anything!
 
>>LAST EDITED ON Aug-15-11
>>AT 08:41?PM (MST)
>>
>>>I don't live in Alaska, so
>>>to hunt it I would
>>>most likely use a guide.
>>> I don't live in
>>>Wyoming, but because I can
>>>drive there and spend a
>>>weekend scouting, probably not going
>>>to. I live in
>>>Utah. If I draw
>>>a Pahvant tag, I can
>>>spend a weekend scouting. Same
>>>with the Henries, Monroe, Pauns,
>>>etc. There is a
>>>huge difference between being an
>>>out of stater and not
>>>being able to get there,
>>>and the guys who live
>>>in the area and YEAR
>>>AFTER YEAR, or who hunt
>>>the same area YEAR AFTER
>>>YEAR and use guides to
>>>do it. Denny Austad(for
>>>example) has endless time to
>>>hunt, endless money, and buys
>>>tags in Utah in the
>>>same area YEAR AFTER YEAR.
>>> He is a DR.
>>>so I assume he is
>>>smart, can't he remember what
>>>and where Doyle told him
>>>last year about where to
>>>hunt, etc?? If there
>>>is no differnce between DIY
>>>and guided, why do the
>>>guided guys get so pissed
>>>when someone points out they
>>>used one? I have
>>>never got upset when someone
>>>says I killed whatever DIY.
>>>> Lastly I care because
>>>I can't spend countless dollars
>>>bribing(lobbying) the DWR and legislatures
>>>to open more oppurtunity for
>>>high dollar hunters(Antelope Island), and
>>>close more oppurtunity for us
>>shlubs(next years tag cuts).
>>>The pinhead legislators see that
>>>someone paid 175k for spidey
>>>and instantly they see a
>>>cash cow. Thats the
>>>ONLY reason we have Antelope
>>>Island deer hunts this year.
>>> If it wasn't for
>>>the big money guarantee by
>>>SFW, it would never have
>>>happened for the draw guys.
>>> My dad got into
>>>building old cars. He
>>>got his going and started
>>>hitting the shows. The
>>>builders, who built it themselves,
>>>then competed against the dudes
>>>who paid Boyd Cottington to
>>>build them one. At
>>>the end of the day
>>>the talent was the builders
>>>and Boyd, not the dude
>>>who opened the wallet.
>>>I am old school though.
>>> I HATE touchdown dances.
>>> I HATE screaming after
>>>a dunk. And if
>>>I was a pitcher and
>>>some dude showboated after a
>>>homer, he would have fastballs
>>>at his head all day.
>>> The bull in this
>>>pic is pretty. I
>>>would shoot it in a
>>>heartbeat. I love to
>>>hunt. But in your
>>>dark secret little places even
>>>the Doyle lovers know that
>>>it would be more impressive
>>>if this hunter did it
>>>himself. I just am
>>>a bigger mouth than most
>>>and point it out.
>>>
>>>
>>>When they came for the road
>>>hunters I was not one
>>>so I said nothing.
>>>When they came for the
>>>oppurtunists I was not one
>>>so I said nothing.
>>>When they came for the
>>>public land hunters I was
>>>not one so I said
>>>nothing. When they came
>>>for me there was no
>>>one left to say anything!
>>>
>>
>>
>> If I remember right I
>>think there was an Antelope
>>Island draw tag this year.
>>thus opening more "oppurtunity for
>>the shlubs"
>
>
>Yeah the legislature was "johnny on
>it" to put out a
>draw tag. It was
>SFW guaranteeing the tag that
>opened Antelope Island. Otherwise
>why not just put out
>2 draw tags because the
>DWR believed it biologically necesssary
>to hunt the deer out
>there. Without SFW, there
>would be not tag.
>SO yeah a common guy
>got a tag. Why
>didn't we get 2 draw
>tags and no bought tags?
> The draw tag was
>put out in hopes of
>making us choke down the
>bought tag.
>
>When they came for the road
>hunters I was not one
>so I said nothing.
>When they came for the
>oppurtunists I was not one
>so I said nothing.
>When they came for the
>public land hunters I was
>not one so I said
>nothing. When they came
>for me there was no
>one left to say anything!
>


Choke it down baby!
 
Idig4au,

I'm also hunting with the "evil" Mossback crew. Are you going to be on the Monroe? Would be great to hook up. No matter where you're going, I hope you get the second biggest elk in Utah this year!:)
 
>Idig4au,
>
>I'm also hunting with the "evil"
>Mossback crew. Are you
>going to be on the
>Monroe? Would be great
>to hook up. No
>matter where you're going, I
>hope you get the second
>biggest elk in Utah this
>year!:)


You're hunting with Mossback as well huh? Cool! I am on the San Juan unit so probably no chance of hooking up and sharing "war" stories of the hunt. Are you hunting the early season as well? We should both have awesome hunts with a very respectable outfitter. I would be happy with the second biggest elk in utah because it will be a monster! Good luck and let me know how the hunt goes.
 
Hunting is my life and I cannot idly stand by and see it raped by the average person and say nothing. So ya, choke my opinion down. I cannot stand by and let you guys call yourself the same as me. You are putting a bad name out their for us and so are these tv shows. A lot of my female relatives tell me "ya I watched a program on tv the other day where they were hunting whitetails in Texas and the deer were coming into a feeder and the hunter shot him who was sitting in a blind". What do you say to that. Makes me feel like a real turd. All I tell them is that's not the way I hunt-thats not hunting. Please call it something else that you guys do. LOL
 
IDs695---So you are one of those tough dudes that hunt in a loin cloth and a spear, huh? According to your BS that sounds like it's the only way to hunt fairly, LOL! From that one post I think we can all tell that you're one pompous azz that most of us probably wouldn't want to be associated with, so maybe your statement that it makes you feel like a real turd is because you are one real turd!!!
 
695 so it a guy don't hunt your way HE isn't a hunter,How do you spell your name Does it Start with G and end with a D on the end with a o in the middle. For some-one to tell people how to hunt in their neck of wooods WOW. I bet you hate those guys who use dogs in the swamps to run dogs(It Legal) But If you don't put your stamp approval on it. I'm guessing they aren't hunters. I love going into the BC with my horses and mules so if you don't hunt like I do You suck Right because my way is closer to the way it was 100 years ago.

"I have found if you go the extra mile it's Never crowded".
 

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