Paunsaugunt unit management buck hunt?

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huntin100

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Just got back last week from the muzzle loader hunt with my brother. It was a fun hunt. Did'nt see any real monsters. I did see at least six different bucks that were 28-32 inch 3x3's. Watched a 2x3 mount a doe. Also seen some quite a few 3x4's. Wondering if guys who live around the unit and outfitters that know the unit would think a management buck hunt would help with genetics and opportunity?? San Juan deer unit is in the same situation only worse. See alot of 4-6 yr old 2x3, 3x3, and 3x4's. Theses deer are passing on their genes, and people with a trophy tag in their pocket are passing on them. What do you guys think?
 
That's a tough one. How could we ensure old bucks with weak racks were killed? I guess if they just slaughtered the < 4-points for a year or two, that might help. Bookcliffs suffer from this too, or at least it used to.
 
Above and beyond the problem mentioned, there is another shadow looming over the Paunsaugunt that should be addressed....and that is the overpopulation of cactus bucks. Now I know that there have always been a "higher than normal" amount of cactus bucks on the Paunsaugunt unit, but the number of these bucks has, for some time now, been on an extreme uprise. These bucks are not only a freak of nature but a waste of a resource. Most do not contain the testosterone to breed and many do not even contain the equipment needed to accomplish the task. While a big 3 pt, or even a 2 x 3 may be taken on the last day of the hunt by those wishing to punch their tag, most hunters wouldn't even think of shooting a cactus buck for the same reasons.
These deer consume just as much habitat as a doe or a buck but do not contribute to the population one ounce. In my opinion they are only taking up space for other potential and resourceful deer.
Now while I understand that there isn't an easy solution, (I know we can't just go in there and slaughter all the cactus bucks), I do believe that implenting a "youth only" hunt would be a great alternative to not only weeding down the number of cactus bucks, but at the same time giving our youth a chance to hunt a limited entry area where they will see a ton of game. Albeit, their intended goal is a cactus buck, but the dates and regulations would be easy ones......give out a certain amount of tags to youth only (18 and younger) and since most of the normal bucks have shed their velvet by the middle of September, just say that any buck with velvet on their head after December 1st (or whatever the best date to carry a hunt like this out on is), is fair game. This will ensure that almost 100% of the bucks taken are going to be cactus bucks.
Like I mentioned above, these deer are of no good to the herd at all. They consume habitat and feed that a healthy normal deer should be utilizing.....and all the while, they do not contribute to the survival of their species.
I do not know why this phenomenon happens, but I do know that there has been little done to pinpoint the reasoning. Since that is the case, I believe that there at least should be something done about managing them.
I will agree with what was said about the big 2 and 3 pt problem, and that should be addressed as well. My apologies for going off the original course of the post but I feel that there are some problems that "can" begin to see some solution, while others are being figured out. I hope that something can be done to see this legendary deer herd rebound to the potential it has proven in the past. Thanks for listening.....
 
I noticed the same problem on the Henry mountains this year. I think it could be a great chance for more hunting on Limited Entry Units and to take these bucks out of the gene pool. I brought it up to a DWR official and he said it sounded like a good idea . I mean honestly 2/3 of the bucks on the Henrys won't even get a second look because of the 1/3 of bucks that have it all. I mean we are talkin about 30 plus 3points or 3/4 or even huge 2/3's. You could make the hunter take a class (like the have to for sheep hunts) and make them be accountable by checking the animal in after harvest. Seems like a win win situation to me.
 
What about issuing 20 management buck tags saying it has to have 3 points on one side. It could be a 1x3,2x3,3x3, or 3x4. I did'nt see any big (old)2x2's. I did see acouple catus bucks. However, they are'nt breeding a buck of does. Is this a big problem? I know if we make things too complicated, nothing will change. I talked with one rancher, who lives on the unit, said the 3 point population is getting to be a larger problem.
 
I would like to talk to some more locals. I think 15-20 management permits for paunsaugunt, San Juan, and Henrys 3point on one side with manditory harvest check would help out genetics and herd quality. It would also provide 45-to 60 permits more opportunity. With all these big 2x3's,3x3's and 3x4's it can't be good for the future. Any seen problems?
 
I've been out looking on the Pauns almost everyday this month. I'm really curious how its coming along. The best buck I've seen was a wide( over 30) heavy 3x4. Its a buck I would be very happy to take late in the hunt. When I had the dedicated hunter tag back in 2000 the buck that still haunts me was a mid thirties , very high 4x4 in full velvet. I also filmed a beautiful full vevet 30 inch 5x5 that year.Both of those big bucks were full velvet in november. I guess the point I'm making is management hunts for velvet , 3x's and 2's would have culled some awesome trophies before they reached thier potential. I never have liked the Idea of cull hunts.There To hard to control. Just my opinion.
 
Bonehead,

You bring up an interesting point. I saw 3 cactus bucks in Nevada this year. I had never seen one before. The last day of the hunt I thought about taking one. When I got in the truck I was kicking myself for not doing it.
 

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