Velvet off yet?

saw bulls this weekend starting to rub

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On Tuesday I saw 12 different bullz, mostly all 5 points in one canyon, and they all were still carrying velvet. I did see a 155-160 class 4 point buck that had rubbed his main beam clean.
 
Saw a group of seven mature bulls yesterday. Two had perfect velvet and the others had it hanging down everywhere. Here is a pic of the best one in the group.

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