Hey man. . . .nice shot. Yeah not so much.

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Indian_Peaks_Sneek

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LAST EDITED ON Sep-21-11 AT 05:33PM (MST)[p]Found this out calling/filming this weekend (didn't mess with any rifle guys, there wasn't anyone within 10 miles). Makes me sick. Yup, it's a very nice mature 6.

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Coulda Been Ben!

Maybe one of his Vision Quests?

For "GOSH" Sakes,We got "TARDS" on this Site that can't handle a Damn,I Mean DANG thing,maybe MM should add a Church/Biblical Forum for the MM'ers that can't handle the Hunting Forums?
Pfffffffffff............!!!

I don't care if they're big or small!
If they throw lead I like em all!


:p
 
>>Probably Ben Thompson
>
>
>AGREED

It does look like green blood!


"Courage is being scared to death but saddling
up anyway."
 
That sucks ,Do you have pictures of his rack.

"I have found if you go the extra mile it's Never crowded".
 
Indian peaks, nice first post. We're all hunters here and we all know 5hit happens. Is it really necessary to post that ? What do you hope to gain by that ? Do you realize what the stupidity of posting those pictures does to all of us ??? I sure hope no one is following you around with a camera the next time you make a mistake. Think before you post.
 
>Indian peaks, nice first post. We're
>all hunters here and we
>all know 5hit happens. Is
>it really necessary to post
>that ? What do you
>hope to gain by that
>? Do you realize what
>the stupidity of posting those
>pictures does to all of
>us ??? I sure hope
>no one is following you
>around with a camera the
>next time you make a
>mistake. Think before you post.
>

+1 Sounds like he has an ax to grind.
Sux for the animal and the hunter.
 
Looks like the shot did exactly what it was intended to do. Kill an elk.

The thread should have been titled, nice tracking job.


And who knows next year (or sooner) someone will post a thread about a lost bull that HE/or SHE couldn't find, and not having harvested another bull, would still like to recover the animal.

But its nice of you to have posted finding one.


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Things like this do make hunters look bad. I hope it gets us all to think before we shoot and put every effort possible into finding what we shoot.
 
It's funny when people post these things and aren't man enough to at least log in under their user name, instead create a new one. Either that or one hell of a first post.
 
i am getting VERY sick of the oh well it happens attitude. this is a TRAVESTY !!!! the attitude of some archers here is sickening. shoot them look for a bit and keep flinging those arrows until hopefully something dies. i applaud the guy for posting this
 
I think a large percentage of archers look for their game with dilligence and as always a small percentage make them look very bad. This applies to all weapons in my experience and I hope that all lost game is given the respect of a search that involves many days of hard work, sweat and tears before it is called off.
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-22-11 AT 08:35AM (MST)[p]i wonder if an arrow can be made with a homing beacon? it wouldn't help with pass thru shots, but pass thru shots most likely would result in a short tracking job.

the free throw analogy is a usefull one. yes you may miss 10 of a hundred free throws at a known distance. increase the range and the percentage of accuracy drops dramaticly. i remember not that many years ago a 40 yard bow shot was long range. now it seems guys have 60-70 yard pins ? how often does a big game animal stand " exactly " at a known yardage the archer practices at ?

homing beacon or legalize dog tracking as idaho has.........
 
That is such a corn fed Bull @#$% comment! Why don't you just go ahead and continue to feed this forum with half cocked theories with no facts to justify! There are bad examples in EVERY mass of population including your own. In no way (Unless your withholding information) do you know what happened. Your generalizations need to be kept to your self!
 
Hey guys sorry if anyone thought the post was made with any negative intent, quite the opposite actually. I probably should have gone a little deeper with the original post but like the 90% of you I'm at work pretenting to work when I'm on here. lol.

I found the bull the day the archery hunt came to a close and like I said originally. . . . there was no one within ten miles. It's pretty clear that the bull had been dead for more than a week also.

I'm not going to say I've never hit one and lost it. . .it happens to everyone. Although, I can say that I've never hit an animal and not spent the remainder of the hunt looking for it. . . world class animal or not. I commented on shot placement because the entrance was not anywhere near (within 12" of a rib). We all miss shots and freethrows (especially if you play in Utah), but i we all take an extra second to consider shot placement who knows. . . .maybe we will all be more successful?

I walked away from the bull thinking about some sort of gps device within an arrow. I know it sounds pretty "James Bondish" but if I can send a google earth link from my phone to anyone in the world I don't see why that's not a possibility?

I'd post a rack pic but I feel like it would only further offend those that have already been offended; I guess the antlers really are besides the point and thought I was trying to invoke anyway.
 
I guess maybe I should post pictures of the cow elk I found last year starved to death because her lower jaw was blown off? Regardless of weapon, it happens... and yes it is a travesty... I'm an avid archer and rifle hunter so I have a dog on each side of the fight but to imply archers are slob hunters is wrong... I spent 2+ hours literally on hands and knees tracking my bull this year and luckily found him...
 
Funny you should say that. . . I jumped four off of him when I walked up!
 
I'm glad that you didn't post a picture of the rack. There was another thread on here recently that was aimed at trying to reunite a hunter with his kill. Here's a link to that thread.

http://www.monstermuleys.info/cgi-b...=show_thread&om=13551&forum=DCForumID12&omm=0

I'm assuming by your screen name that the bull you have come accross is on the south west desert. If I'm wrong you should say what unit it's on and see if someone can describe the antler configuration to you. You could then reunite a archery hunter with his kill so that the hunt is not a complete loss for him.
 
Being that the archery hunt was over I forwarded the coordinates and pictures on to the DWR as soon as I reached cell service on Sunday night and they are having an office pick the antlers up within the week.

I hope the veterans don't blast me for thinking out loud here but here goes; let's try to keep an open mind. I'm sure there will be some detractors from what I'm about to write, if you can't handle it just stop reading now. There may be some point of view here that you don't agree with. I don't want to ruin your day. I'm going to dive into some pretty deep hunting ethics questions. I'm not claiming superiority here, or that I'm perfect, simply posing some questions to invoke some mature conversation.

The antler recovery is the moral dilemma that I'm running into. . . . . . and that's the discussion I was hoping to get into.

The bull has already gone to waste. . . as you can see. Chances are it laid there for a couple days and died, that's speculation of course, but that's my guess.

IMHO The ?trophy? part of the bull is in many people?s eyes are the antlers. Having grown up on and around that unit, and having had the chance to hunt and harvest a bull out there with my bow, the trophy for me was the experience of not only harvesting an animal but using the animal. The antler?s, to me , seem like a reward for job well done; a keepsake to remind you of the animal and the experience.

Again, IMHO I don't think drawing a tag entitles anyone to a set of trophy antlers, I think it allows you the opportunity to hunt and harvest an elk.

If there is an unwritten hunting code (which I believe there is): Is it morally sound to display the antlers above your fireplace when the rest of the animal went to waste and the rack was found by some dude who smelled the rotting animal on the wind, found him laying under a tree, and then sent the GPS coordinates online with a subject line FIND YOUR TROPHY HERE? (I'm not blasting the other thread, I think it's awesome the way everyone came together to help actually, again, just thinking out loud)

How many people have passed up a risky shot and ended up with tag soup? Maybe they deserve finds like this?

As a side note: If the hunt were still going and the hunter was out there pounding the hills looking for him I would feel 100% differently about sending him or her some gps coordinates or walking them right to the bull.

What bothers me are hearing and reading people post or say things like ?Ah hell, I'll give it a couple weeks, go back, and look for the crows.?

How do you all feel???

Obviously, I'm playing devils advocate here because I think think it's an interesting topic that goes un discussed. There is no wrong or right answer. Had I hit one and lost it I know I'd want to find him eventually and a big part of me would want the antlers because they would be cool to have. Hell, I wanted these antlers and am still kinda bummed that I don't get to keep them! But why??? Because I saw birds and smelled rotting flesh and walked in the right direction? I love antlers just as much as the next guy, I spend loooooots of time in the hills looking for them on and off the hoof. . . . . ask my gf who hasn't seen me on a weekend in two months. This is the moral dilemma I'm taking about.

I was helping a gentleman (sent him some map circles, describes some wallows, etc.) that drew an out of state tag on the SWD who hit and lost a bull on the last day of the hunt. . . . it's a very sensitive subject and I know he is sick to death about it. For all of us who love to hunt and respect the animals it's tragic. I can very easily see both sides of this.

To all those that are offended right now, relax it's just discussion. I don't see the need to try to put anyone down here. We?re all on the same team. For anyone with something to add though. . . . . throw it up, I think it's worthy of discussion.
 
Personally the number 1 most important thing to me is the meat and use of the animal. I would actually hate having horns on my fireplace reminding me on a hunt gone wrong. Like you the enjoyment to me is not always measured in Success. How many animals have most hunters past up, probably thoasands. Why, because of the horns. Is that a problem to me, No, I do it too. The horns are a reward and shows that not only did you put in your time, energy, effort but you were successfull taking an animal that has been around for a while out smarting other hunters and preditors for years. The horns are the bonus but not the reason for hunting. Its the entire hunting expierence that keeps me coming back every year.
 
What bothers me is:

How many "So-Called" Hunters that Wound Shhit!

Spend very little time trying to recover the animal!

They Move on to Wounding/Killing another Animal!

They say Oh Hell,it's just a Bull,I'm huntingg in an LE Unit & there are Plenty!

Seen several Un-Ethical StickFlippers in my day try & pull off some real fine stunts,course I've seen stunts by all weapon holders,not just gonna Bash Un-Ethical StickFlippers,I'm gonna Bash all Un-Ethical Hunters all together!

Un-Real what you can see in the field in just a few days!







For "GOSH" Sakes,We got "TARDS" on this Site that can't handle a Damn,I Mean DANG thing,maybe MM should add a Church/Biblical Forum for the MM'ers that can't handle the Hunting Forums?
Pfffffffffff............!!!

I don't care if they're big or small!
If they throw lead I like em all!


:p
 
I would want the antlers either way.

But I am VERY selective about shots. I have let lots of bucks walk because I did not feel completely confident about the shot. I will not let go of an arrow or a bullet unless I am sure.
 
I would say 90% of the archers I know wound at least 1 to 2 bulls every time they go elk hunting before they take their bull if they get one at all. I would say 30% of my rifle hunting buddies have the same luck. I wish they would cut way back on stick flipper tags or at least cut them out all together and simply allow and weapon tags that way when flippy wounds a bull he can at least go grab a rifle and maybe get a good follow up.
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-22-11 AT 08:14PM (MST)[p]I have killed 3 deer with a bow and lost one.
Ever since i lost the one i hung the bow up cause the ###### would be dead if i have a gun!

Dont meen you guys should stop bow hunting. I just hate loosing animals and never had it happen with a bullet! But thats just me not saying it doesnt happen.


Let me ask a ? without a bunch of angrys.

How many animals would be saved from spoiling if we threw all the bows in one big a$$ fire?

I hunt for horns and you can hunt for meat thats a personal opionon even ask mossback!



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>I would say 90% of the
>archers I know wound at
>least 1 to 2 bulls
>every time they go elk
>hunting before they take their
>bull if they get one
>at all. I would say
>30% of my rifle hunting
>buddies have the same luck.
>I wish they would cut
>way back on stick flipper
>tags or at least cut
>them out all together and
>simply allow and weapon tags
>that way when flippy wounds
>a bull he can at
>least go grab a rifle
>and maybe get a good
>follow up.

It's a good thing you shoot such a big canon or you might be in your 30% group! 90%???





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The difference between rifle and archery hunters is archery hunters can see there projectile and know when they wound a animal. A rifle will always be a more efficeint killing weapon than a bow. But how many critters have died to rifle "misses"? Blood can be hard to find in the desert when you are 40 yards from where it should be. Its 10x harder at 400 yards. I hunt archery, muzzleloader, and rifle. Losing a animal with any weapon weighs heavy on the heart. Nobody finds bullets in rotten elk, but who looks?

The enviromentalist and anti-hunter groups love it when we attack each other like this. This picture could end up on one of their posters. Just sayin'
 
i Don't think this has much to do with the weapon used.

I think if you would have found a bull at the end of any season you would have posted it up with criticism.

I'm unsure whether you'd be as upset if you had witnessed the shot/search for the animal(I'm assuming that you assume that not much effort was put in.) I prefer to think a great effort was put in, and tend to think more highly of my fellow hunters.

If it makes you feel better I do think the hunter should have personally called you and checked in with you every hour with his search results. Being as you/and others (me included at times*) wanna play "how-long-do-you-search-police"

*when a hunter states he looked for 4hours after a "good shot"-i'll call it BS.

But I don't have this archers story so I won't assume I know what went on.

You're personal feelings on what's right- sh!t that's for you, not everyone else. I may also find them right to a point, but I'm not gonna say every ethical hunter has to live up to my standards.

I'll be going on the extended archery hunt, once the rifle boys come out of the hills, can you post or PM me your phone number so I can check in after the shot should I get one. I wouldn't want anyone to assume I half-assed things...

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A 40 yard missed shot with a bow is alot easier to confirm than a 500 yard missed shot with a rifle. My point is at 40 yards i guarantee every bow hunter walks up and makes sure he missed his bull. A rifle hunter on the other at 500 yards if he thinks he missed there is no way in hell he is about to walk out there to confirm.

I missed my bull at 70 yards on my hunt this year with my bow. I am very confident out to 80 with my bow. I shot low and i still spent a good hour following his tracks even though i knew i had missed i made sure. I set my bow down on my pack and searched.

Everybody misses dont matter what weapon your shooting. Everybody that thinks cutting out bows would fix the problem is wrong.

I will say i bet most all bow hunters are able to find a blood trail if they know they wound an animal and probably follow it for some time. On the other hand i bet there is a huge hand full of people that shoot at animals with rifles at a very long distance. Next thing you know 7 - 8 rounds laters the animals wanders in the trees and nobody on the hillside know if they hit the animal. But since its across the canyon and its a very steep hike to get to him and the hunter dont feel like leaving his four wheeler he is going to assume he missed him.

My honest opinion is archers dont wound as many animals as everybody thinks they do. I would bet that long guns numbers are just as high.
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-23-11 AT 09:39AM (MST)[p]Sometimes unintended things happen out there. Animals duck the string, or turn while the arrow is in flight.

May have been a completely ethical shot, may have searched for days and not been able to find anything.

I would reserve judgement on the whole situation until I knew what happened and nobody knows anything except an elk got hit far back with an arrow, it didn't pass thru, and the archer didn't recover it. All things that can reasonably happen to the best in the field.
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-23-11 AT 10:02AM (MST)[p]here is the " oh it happens " crap again.........the picture of the gut shot elk shows me the arrow didn't penetrate very well. it hit no bones. which would indicate either the distance the shot was taken was too far OR the guy was using a 40 lb. draw bow. which i doubt.......only real men shoot 100 pound draw bows these days right ?

i will also admit mistakes happen that are acts of god if you will and could happen to anyone.... i feel the archery seasons need to be shortened to 5 days tops. monday -friday. this will keep the weekend bubba's who swill beer and hunt out of the back of there truck with their bows out of the woods. only serious archers would take time off from work to hunt. this will keep the " wounding " to a minimum. also having two week archery seasons when the snow is arse deep isn't helping our " wounding " rate. i vote for five days early and five days late and that is it..........
 
Tageater: Is it guilt that puts you on the attack so quickly?

I have not taken any jobs at hunting or hunters. I love to hunt and enjoy sharing it with other hunters. Let's assume the hunter did in fact spend some time searching for this bull. Now on the flip side, let's assume he looked for four hours, heard another bull bugling over the hill and went right after him. Who knows? It's erroneous.

My thought process was not centered around weapon choice. I'm an archery hunter through and through. It's a fact that it's harder to kill an animal with a bow BUT it's just as easy to bump your scope on your way up the mountain and make a bad shot with your 30.06. What we are talking about is what is the right thing to do AFTER THE SHOT.

I'm not event talking about this particular episode anymore, the questions I posed was for EVERY situation.

How long do you search for an animal after you hit it in the guts Tag. . . whether its with an arrow,bullet, or slug?

If you would rather not comment because you are are a "look for the birds" kind of guy that's fine. You are doing a great job with the herd management; the buck to doe / bull to cow ratio is way off anyway.

What I'm worried about is this: Hunter takes shot that HE HIMSELF knows is not a high percentage kill shot and thinks "Well hell . . . . I'll throw it up on MM after the hunt, somebody will find him eventually. . . . . was that a bugle I heard over the ridge? Let's go!" Maybe it has never happened, maybe it never will but here's to hoping it never becomes that. I've seen multiple posts from guys looking for a bull that they've hit and I think that's great! They are still looking and using every resource they can! I applaude that. . . . . during the hunt.

I will be hunting the extended as well and would be happy to show you how it's done.
 
No guilt conscience here. I've never gut shot anything...,never not recovered an animal I've shot.

I guess what I was saying is the picture you posted is 1/100 of a second of the whole story. I'll reserve judgement until the rest of the story is posted.

And I'll give 'em hell if another bull WAS shot...





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LAST EDITED ON Sep-24-11 AT 07:34PM (MST)[p]"My thought process was not centered around weapon choice, I'm an archery hunter through and through" B.S.
 
Hey IPS quite jerking around and post a photo of the horns, the GPS location and give the hunter a chance to recover his (once in a lifetime) lost bull. Stop with all the guessing, and speculation. Only then should you feel good about keeping the horns (if the DWR lets you) ? if the hunter doesn't turn up.

Why you have posted as you have and feel some level of self-entitlement just because you walk onto a lost bull is beyond me.
 
I too believe mistakes happen. BUT I have to agree with Bevis, too me it appears to be a questionable shot. I understand animals move and duck strings all the time. BUT with today's bow's anything within 50 yards that arrow should have passed through the guts of that elk. The only elk I have taken with the bow was at 52 yards and took a rib on the way out and was still 8 inches in the dirt. I know the type of broad head will make a difference but I still think anything within 50 yards not touching bone should pass through. of course just my opinion.

I also agree that every effort should be made to reunite the hunter with his elk. If the hunter was just slinging and flinging arrows chance are he ended up killing another bull and won't come forward to claim this bull. Two in his house in one year wouldn't look good. If he did punch his tag then he or she does deserve to have his antlers. It is a shame that the meet was lost but it will still be lost weather or not the hunter gets their horns.

As for weather or not more animals are lost to archery gear than rifle gear? I have no solid numbers so I don't know. My hunch is that because there are so many more rifle hunters than archery hunters the actual numbers will probably be similar. BUT that will put the ratio much worse for the archery hunters.
 
The fact is we don't know any of the facts. A deflected arrow would also account for both location and penetration. Sticks have a way of jumping in front of arrows. My experience is also that more people wound fatally with rifles than arrows. "When I hit them with this they go down so obviously I missed." Unless you're talking about a semi or train hitting them at high speed elk can go after the shot. I've seen it happen with everything from a 30-378 to a 375 H&H.
The other thing I don't get is the big 'stink' about how long to search right after the shot. With Utah's archery hunt being in the middle of summer is the bull found 24 hours after it died any more usable than the one found 3 weeks later? Keep searching but don't delude yourself into thinking a bull that died more than 24 hours earlier during archery is going to be any more fit for eating.
Finally the shooter may not know exactly where the bull was hit. With the way animals move we've all been fooled. I guided a guy who swore a perfect hit. When we found the bull the next day it was bloated and was punched through the guts actually hitting a hind leg. That bull was inside 5 yards from me when it was shot. If all you 'holier than thou' types want to keep your perfect record of never having a bad hit or wasting any meat you'd better retire from the sport because it is possible no matter you skill, standards or ethics.
 
this sucks that such a great animal was lost, but even if you found the animal the next day say you backed out like the experts say and come back the next day and found the animal. The meat would still be spoiled, this happend to a freind 3 years ago and my dad this year. the freind was rifle hunting in november shot a bull mase a bad shot right before dark decided to come back in the morning and track the bull in the snow, found the elk still alive but stoved up almost dead shot him a seconed time ending the suffering, loaded the bull up and took him to the processorand he says the meat is spoiled due to the fever the bull ran before dieing.

the seconed was september 2nd this year my dad sticks a raghorn could see blood squirting out as the bull left hit right at the bottom of the briskit, gave an hour started to trail him went about 400 yrds blood runs out and dark sets on so we decided to wait, till morning. got there in the morning and looked hard for two hours and my cousin said he was going to the truck to get a drink and he stumbles upon the bull at about 930, we gut and load the elk up and get to the processors and same story of the fever and heat spoiled the elk overnight.

the processor said with the 85 degree temps them days he said the meat was gone in about four hours. so even if you make a mastake but you put your time in and find the bulllater than a few hours you could still have a wasted animal.

the game warden came over and observed my dads elk and told him he was proud he did the right thing by claiming his animal and that he was sorry for the loss


moseley middleton
 
IMHO you guys did it right Moseley. You guys tried and that's all you can do.

Can I ask why you didn't just wait three weeks and look for birds instead?
 
>I would say 90% of the
>archers I know wound at
>least 1 to 2 bulls
>every time they go elk
>hunting before they take their
>bull if they get one
>at all. I would say
>30% of my rifle hunting
>buddies have the same luck.
>I wish they would cut
>way back on stick flipper
>tags or at least cut
>them out all together and
>simply allow and weapon tags
>that way when flippy wounds
>a bull he can at
>least go grab a rifle
>and maybe get a good
>follow up.

________________________________________________________________

Stinky, get off the sauce man, it's making you crazy.
 
Guys STOP!!

This is getting stupid beyond belief!!

How in the hell can some of you speculate that the 22 year old blonde cheerleader who shot this bull with her bow didn't spend the next 6 DAYS looking for her elk?

Didn't you all know that she hired the 3 best african trackers and flew them all in the same day of her "bad shot" and they spent the next 6 days looking for this bull to no avail?

All of this "shoot from the hip" type of speculation that ya'll are vomiting up is doing NOTHING to promote our sport. You are causing real damage that the Anti's can feed off of. They will even use YOUR words in their captions with this picture on their fliers!!!

Please stop and at least consider what real damage this type of post could cause. There are millions of Americans that truly beleive that what they see on T.V., read in the paper, and for god sakes "saw on the internet", to be reality and 100% factual.

If you seriously want to get into a war with eachother about who wounds & fails to retrieve the most big game between archery & rifle hunters the go do it with your buddies at a campfire with a cold beverage in hand, because your drunken slander for all to see is pathetic.

Every group of people will have a few bad apples. That goes without saying, right?!?!?! So why do you keep saying it?

The best thing we can all do is to preach the positive and teach proper ethics & hope that some of the bad apples will convert from the dark side. I'm concerned that if we continue with the division between rifle hunters & archery hunters we will both lose & before you know it there won't be any "hunters" that aren't hired by the government to reduce the overpopulated ungulates when necessary while we all watch from the sidelines.

Don't make me say I told you so!
 
so it's a personal thng, why you wouldn't post up the rack and where it was shot because the hunter just might get his bull back that he don't deserve because of a bad shot. I can understand that.



"I have found if you go the extra mile it's Never crowded".
 
80 yards shooting at bull elk with a bow. / ///???????800 yards shooting at bull elk with rifle.??????then wonder why so many lost elk.......
 
I can't believe all the people that bash on archery hunters. As stated just as many animals are wounded with all weapons. This last week I was out hunting and my uncle shot at a cow elk with a muzzle loader and thought he missed. I walked around and found the cow was hit and moving very slow to bed down. I have seen more muzzle loader and rifle hunters walk away from animals they thought they missed. Most archers check to see if it was a hit or not. There are bad hunters in all forms of weapons. All though i stand up for all archers, I have never seen fat slops hunting out of the back of trucks before hunting in Utah. I have hunted many states and Utah does take the cake for lazy hunters. I hate to see any animal lost but I do love finding dead heads. As hunters we should not be putting each other down because of weapon choose. We also should not post pics that portray our sport in a bad manner.
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-27-11 AT 11:53AM (MST)[p]waaaaaaa bearman . i am overjoyed the pic was made public. and your uncle is a hunting loser if he shoots at game and expects it to just fall over dead. anytime you shoot , you should be looking for sign.

you like finding dead heads huh' so you enjoy seeing an animal go to waste ? classy.......
 


here is a video of a great gun hunter.
i was watching mossback 3 and i seen few shots right in the rear, same thing on tines up above and beyond.
 
*Ahem*
Attention Please!
If anyone of you gut shot a 350" 6 point bull on the SWD, (North West Hamblin Valley) with the above arrow and broadhead and did not tag an animal please send me a pm. I will send you GPS coordinates to a rotting pile of flesh and bone. You can contact the DWR office in Cedar City Utah with regards to retrieving the antlers as they are in their evidence locker (sorry bearman).
 
Now that didn't hurt much did it.

"I have found if you go the extra mile it's Never crowded".
 
Lol it was never really about that man I was just hoping we could all have a discussion about being better hunters that's all. . . .it's not like I posted a pictures of someone's wife's t!ts up here. No one is going to PM me because I'm sure they killed another elk already. . . there was a gut pile roughly the same age (the maggots were in the same stage) 1/4 mile to the east.
 
I am amazed I read that many posts and no one said, This photo is a perfect reminder to take the time to tune your weapon well and practice, practice, practice so these situation are few and far between.

The 80/20 rule applies in all areas and I would guess no more than 20% of us hunters, not seperating archers from rifle hunters from muzz hunters from long range rifleman, fit into the properly prepared category.
 
Thank you BPK!
+1,000,000
". . . This photo is a perfect reminder to take the time to tune your weapon well and practice, practice, practice so these situation are few and far between. . . "

I also saw a post on the LOST MANTI BULL thread (here we go again) about a guy that passed up a great bull because he didn't feel it was an ethical shot and ate tag soup. . . . . sucks that he didn't get one but I'd buy him a beer if I ever ran into him. Shot selection is where I'm going with this. It's very easy to get excited when you are within bow/smokepole, or rifle range of these big stinky thunder cows but out of respect of the sport and the animal. . . . .wait for a good shot.

Again, not passing judgement on this shot or anyone elses because I don't know any back stories; just speaking in generalities. Not everyone that smokes has to speak through a hole in their throat but there are still billboards everywhere. . . . . .prevention people.
 
my two cents for what it's worth.

Like others have said, this is a good reminder to practice with your weapon regardless of which one you use. But no matter how good you are, an animal can still jump the string, and can also "jump the bullet" (aka take a step or two) on a 400+ yd rifle shot due to the delay between trigger pull and bullet impact.

It's also a good reminder to understand how to handle bad shot placement (different than bad shot execution which we have control over) if it happens, and how to recognize it and deal with it.

A gut shot is a fatal shot nearly 100% of the time (definitely not suggesting you aim for the guts). Gut shot animals also almost always bed down within 100 or so yards of being hit if not pushed. Knowing these two facts and acting accordingly will help folks recover a very high percentage of animals hit poorly.

So to summarize my thoughts, we should work on the things we have control over:

1. obtain and maintain weapon proficiency and keep shots to a distance that reduces the chance of an animal moving enough during the projectile travel time to cause a good shot to turn into a bad shot. IMO this shoud be about a half second or less, do the math to get your distance (I'm sure people will hammer me for this, but I don't care). I don't care if you can shoot 2,000 yds accurately every single time, you can't control what the animal does while the projectile travels there.

2. know what to do if something bad happens which is out of your control (such as a limb deflection or string jump and how to recognize and recover a gut shot animal).

I realize we are human and mistakes happen, but a mistake which could have been prevented by better preparation is unacceptable in my opinion (I'm speaking generally and not making reference to unrecovered animal in the picture since I don't know the details).

And all hunters need to stick together regardless of how we hunt.
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-28-11 AT 06:25PM (MST)[p]I could never hang a rack in my house where the meat went to waste. I have one set of whitetail antlers that I recovered that way (20" 10 pt). That is the best whitetail rack I ever killed. It is nailed in a barn and I only tell people the story if they ask.

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
 
I am surprised at how many people were able to get off their high horse long enough to post on this topic! Mistakes happen, laughable that we are all jumping to conclusions and we have absolutely no idea what happened!
 

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