Lost archery elk- Manti unit by spring city.

Heetrie

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LAST EDITED ON Sep-23-11 AT 10:36AM (MST)[p]Helping a friend out that isn't online/on this site. He hit an awesome bull in the Manti unit on the archery hunt in a canyon east of skyline drive above Spring City. I'll PM more details if you have any information. This bull was being chased by several other people a few days before we got on him and had 54 cows with him and several satellite bulls.

For all the naysayers out there, I know it was a good shot and I was there to help track- we did our due diligence and everything possible to find this dude, he just didn't cooperate. We spent days trying to find him after tracking him. Makes us sick, hoping to find him.

Please PM.

Thanks!

Chris
 
if it was a good shot why did you spend days looking.

i don't mean to pick on the archers here is how i see the wounding thing........

#1 if you are an archer whether you are the guy who buys his bow the night before the season and his first draw of the string is shooting at something on opening day OR a seasoned pro who can shoot his arrow nock at 80 yards if you are loosing game every year or couple years..you are a ......HUNTING LOSER !

#2 if you are a rifleman, a guy who never shoots his trusty marlin .30-30 all year and cleans the 1/4 inch of dirt out of his scope opening day with his shirt tail or joe pro, you know the guy that shoots a wildcat that shoots a bullet at 3600 fps. and can shoot a quarter at 800 yards.........if YOU are loosing game every year or couple years....you are a ..HUNTING LOSER !!

#3 if you are a muzzleloader guy all the way from the guy who doesn't shoot for crud to daniel boone.......if you are hunting and loosing game every year or couple years...you too are a HUNTING LOSER !!

the group of guys i hunt with have lost one deer and one turkey in all the years we have been hunting . the deer was found by another hunter as it was being tracked by us. the turkey was shot at too long a range. just because you can " hit " something doesn't mean you can " kill " it. bows have penetration issues as shotguns do.

in closing if you are a HUNTING LOSER either improve or take up golf..........

wounding doesn't happen to everyone.if everyone you know is losing animals every year. it isn't because it happens to everyone.you just hunt with a bunch of LOSERS.....
 
WOW... I'm sure Chris appreciates your response to his post.
#$*t does happen, sounds like you have it all figured out though..

Take care
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-23-11 AT 11:13AM (MST)[p]Beavis, thanks for letting the rest of us know that we are all hunting losers, look in the mirror buddy!
 
Beavis,

Just wondering what the difference is between "loosing" and "losing"? Does that make you an English language LOSER?
 
Sounds to me like beavis14 should be hosting hunting seminars to all of us "LOSERS."

Way to kick a guy when he's down. Good job.
 
my bad on the spelling...sometimes the truth hurts. being able to accept your failures makes you a man . children whine.....
 
Beavis may have been a bit over the top but don't you think this stuff of hitting animals and not finding them is getting to a comical level. I hope this guys buddy finds his bull and I am not judging him for not finding it but the number of people on here hitting stuff and not finding them, or hitting multiple animals because they lost the first or finding dead ones with arrows in them from this year or last year is over the top in my opinion.
 
Mulecreek, the only reason its getting "comical" as you put it is because we have such an AWESOME pulic forum here in MM.com that allows us to reach out to other hunters in an effort to help out. During the 70s and 80s I guarantee game was hit and lost by hunters using all types of weapons (archery, rifles, muzzies etc.) However, there were no pulic forums to post on asking for help so it all went un noticed. My point is that as many animals were probably hit back in the day as there are today, the only difference is there are public forums available today that allow us all to hear about it and if possible help out a fellow hunter. Good luck to the hunter, I hope that either on his own or from the help of someone here, he finds his bull.
 
Not to call anybody out, or to badmouth anyone, but my personal opinion is that all the focus and TV shows promoting this long range hunting and shooting is to blame for some of the loss of hit animals. Yes I understand that some guys can make those shots, but everyone has an ego and thinks "they" are one of those who can make those shots. I believe that carries over to archery also as it seems to me that every year we hear or read of someone who is shooting 80-90-100 yards and it doesn't even bother them to admit it. It also happens in muzzleloaders...
A few years back, anything over 100 yards with a muzzleloader, 50 yards with a bow, or 400 yards with a rifle was stretching it. Now those numbers are sneered at by many of us who think the new faster shooting bows, specialty bullets, hot loads, and any more of the new technology items take all the chance out of shooting... The biggest factor I think is "HUMAN ERROR" and technology cannot really change that. Sure it can help us be a better shot, but really, can we depend on that?
Again, this is just my opinion and I catch myself thinking I want to try some of these shots...
I hope your friend finds his bull... and I hope we can all become more responsible hunters.
We owe it to ourselves, and to the quarry we hunt!...
 
Hey Beavis,

In ALL the years you and your buddies have hunted...none of you have ever wounded and lost an animal that you know of? That is a pretty good track record.

You sound like quite the winner. Thanks for letting us all know how great you are.

On another note, it is interesting how MM has become an avenue for hunters to post their bad shots in hopes of someone online helping to recover their animal.

I wonder how this will play out in the future. Do we need a new forum titled "HELP, I made a S#@$@$ shot!". It happens to everyone (beside Beavis)in their life if they hunt much...it is now only becoming more exposed with the internet. I don't like it. How will it affect wildlife managers and management when they read about these unrecovered animals?

Good luck finding your Manti bull.
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-23-11 AT 12:22PM (MST)[p]coming out and and posting this takes a lot of guts. its a big step,. its a step to reach out and try to find the animal. internet news travels fast.

hunting is hunting, and everyone makes mistakes. archery or rifle both groups makes the mistakes. in my 15 years of big game hunting. i have been with people that have made bad shots and not finding there game.

i myself when i was 16 smoked a monster bull at 40 yards. the shot went to the right. we let him lay overnight. next morning followed the trail and it just stopped. we looked and looked. our next step was go home. my dad excused me from school and went back the mountain with a freind that had dogs. even the dogs could not pick him up.

well my dad wanted me to tag the animal even though we never found him. a month later rifle season was open. my dad had a tag and we spotted a good bull. we got set up and seen his shoulder was all bruised up. holy smokes it was the bull that i hit during archery season. my dad could never seal the deal for a shot. but the next day we went after the bull again and never found him.

the next year found me out archery hunting again. after some calling we called in a monster again. unreal, it was the bull that i hit from the previous year. he healed up and made it through the winter. but i never got to seal the deal on a close shot on the bull.


this is the real world, sh$t happens. no one is better than anyone else, like i said reaching out to fellow hunters is a step trying to find your trophy. we are humans, we make mistakes and we learn from them.

good luck to you hunters, and good luck finding your bull.
 
Believe in it, or not, but karma has a funny (not so funny) way of knocking you down, when you're at your peak, and feeling untouchable. Hope your good fortune continues beavis.......

Sorry to hear about your bull heetrie, hope you can locate it, at least to put your mind at ease.

Jbo
 
Having hit and lost a bull before I would have NEVER wished that situation on anyone...but listening to beavis' rants lately, I hope it happens to you man!
Way to kick him while he's down a$$hole! I'm sure he meant to "loose" the bull. At least we get to be graced by your presence here on MM.

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i know i came over as an over the top a**hole. it was my intent. it wasn't my intent to make anyone feel bad.i know some do feel rotten about losing game.as well i know there is a realistic chance i may lose an animal someday. the reason i was laying it on thick is everyone acts like it's no big deal losing a elk. or wanting someone to find it for them so the can have the antlers. what about the meat ???? i am not a world class pro hunter, however i only shoot when i know i will hit exactly where i aim and know my limitations.
 
I knew that this post would generate some back and forth and some haters and some that understand. Honestly, I don't give a damn what people think or what they say. Bottom line is there's an animal that was hit that we'd like to recover. That's the only reason I posted. It's all out of respect for the majectic bull that was shot and a hope to honor him. That's it.

And just for the record, my friend that hit the bull and I shoot our bows 9-10 months out of the year at 80 yards. I would never disrespect a bull by picking up a bow the night before and going out without practice. I'd rather stay home.
 
Beavis, you have never taken a questionable shot? If not, good for you, you are a 1%. You are better than all the rest of us. Now go look for Butthead so you can stay in the 1% club.

All 100% of us want to take the best most ideal shot but sometimes it does not work that way and then you get adrenaline involved and human nature and then you get a wild animal out there moving around and sometimes it can be bad. I admire people that have tried and tried and then look for other avenues to try and look some more. Good for Heetrie to try and keep looking when almost all hope is gone.
 
Good shot = bull on ground and steak on plate wish mashed potatoes and gravy.
 
i agree with everyone else on here elk deer bear lion all those animals are tough and sometimes a less than perfect shot can leave a hunter dead tired, frustrated, and jus plane done with hunting, obviously something beavis has never felt before cause he is a perfect grade A hunter... but i feel for you man i shot my bow everynight 200 hundred times from june to the day of the season and my first year hunting gut shot a deer tracked him for 6 days looking and looking all day everyday dawn to past dusk and finally found his head... i felt like throwing my bow into the woods and never looking at one again but i pulled through it and just made myself practice that much harder and everything came together... i like how guys throw their guts out onto this sight looking for a little help, suggestions to find their trophy and guys have to kick them in the gut when they are already just killin themselves mentally... personally this guy is looking for someone that may have had a similar experience and wants him to let him know how they found it or where it went something like that... maybe some constructive critisism would be in order for the guy instead of kickin him in the teeth.... so ill start my options for a big bull being hit is water he can live longer with water so any water source start there and circle i found my buck up under a huge pine with branches hangin to the ground 50 feet from water so thats my help..... on the other hand you guys are all beating a dead horse when talking about how bad it is that guys take bad shots, now what if it was a 10 yard shot and hit a limb??? what if it was a 60 yard shot in a field and the wind changed jus a touch... honestly you have no right to critisise anyones shots unless you were there to see what happened exactly why the shot may have been bad hell iv shot arrows at 20 yards and completely missed the target iv wondered what happened and it was something simple as i was torqueing my bow in excitement so to anyone on here that needs help or suggestions about tracking wounded game you can always pm me and ill give my suggestions without any critisism and if you are in the eagle county area would gladly help you find it and rile up some friends to also help any wounded game deserves the respect of every hunter if you are a true hunter then you wouldnt critisise others for their misfortune i dont care if you have lost 0 animals or 2 we are all hunters born into the wild. yes i agree if your losing them every year you might wanna get a new gun or bow or some shooting help but id still appreciate that you ask other hunters YOUR WILDLIFE BROTHERS for help anyone that wants to kick you in the gut while ur having trouble should go join them tree huggers and quit hunting your obviously to perfect to be a hunter and must just be a killer... but thats the sport for me HUNTING if it were easy for everyone they would call it killing... hunting takes alot of tole on a person mentally and physically then when you get an a$$hole remark like that makes it even worse anyone that thinks im wrong stick it this is my opinion and how i will always be PM's always welcome

$MAVERICK$
 
o and HEETRIE GOOD LUCK BUDDY I HOPE YOU FIND HIM... any lost animal is a huge deal and i know you guys wont take it lightly if you cant find him but my dad always told me if you work hard enough and put in the time you will get what you are wanting...

$MAVERICK$
 
Good luck finding him. I was 10yds from a 6X8 in Manti during archery season this year and didn't have an ethical shot. I was close to sending an arrow at him but he was at full alert. Not worth the chance. But it can happen to anyone. We just need to be as aware of the situation as possible.

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Beavis I got two words for you, ##### you! I'm so ##### tired of everyone bashing on archery hunters, ##### does happen even with a rifle so stop bashing on bowhunters, your probably to big of a ##### to even pull back a bow so dont bash on the guys that can
 
I think the main reason archers get bagged on a lot is because the muzzy and rifle dudes are in the hills after the archery hunt is over. You take the rifle deer hunt 3rd week of October not a lot of people out in the hills after that, any dead animal found is chalked up to "winter kill" and Butthead to even make the assumption that archers are the only ones that lose game is comical.
 
Butthead...er I mean Beavis said: "the reason i was laying it on thick is everyone acts like it's no big deal losing a elk"

The fact that Heetrie had the nads to post a message on here admitting they had shot a bull and not yet able to find it says quite the opposite of your statement above. The guys is obviously interested, or committed, to finding this bull and is using every tool at his disposal including this forum in hopes of recovering the animal. In all the posts I've read this year I've yet to get the impression an archer shot a bull and left it unrecovered and acted like "it's no big deal". Every bunch has it's bad apples but the majority of sportsman on this site know the awful, awful feeling you get when you're tracking an animal you've shot and aren't able to find it. Heck, I get that feeling almost everytime until I put my hands on it. No one wants to lose an animal and I can only hope others go as far as Heetrie and use every means necessary to recover a lost animal.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, we're not going to win as sportsman against the antis unless we band together. The "ego" aspect of hunting gets in the way of real progress in our sport unfortunately....

LBR
 
I will be muzzy deer hunting around that area for the whole hunt. I will be keeping my eyes open and if I run across anything, I will let you know.
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-24-11 AT 09:09AM (MST)[p]im with beais and then again im not. im tired of the archery guys. my father, uncle and several cousins all hunt with bows for elk. over the years my dad has personally killed one bull and wounded 4 others. my cousin has killed 1 bull and wounded and never found 6 others. the rest of my family fares the same. with a rifle every single person in my family is batting a thousand on hit and recovery of elk. bows just arent as lethal as rifles and anyone who trys to argue otherwise just doesnt understand plain math or physics or common sense. have i taken long shots at bulls? yep! have i recovdred all my long shot attempts? yep! do i hunt with a bow? yep! will i hunt elk with a bow? nope!

look at all these bulls being killed in utah. we have guys on the manti shooting 310 bulls with a premium tag and calling em 340. whys that happening? because every damn bowhunter has to wound 5 damn bulls before they get one. am i mad at just you guys? hell no! my father and cousins piss me off to and i dont agree with what they've done. simple fact is this bow hunt craps gotta stop or you guys need to switch weapons. however its your elk herd and if you archers are happy with all the piss poor bulls you seein then by all means continue with your onslaught. after all it is your elk herd
 
let me clarify one last thing. i have no bones with the poster of this thread. it appears he shot one and only one elk. that is just fine by me. i have great respect for those who will end their oil hunt after wounding a bull. however most bowhunters say oh well its an oil hunt and i best make the most of it. they then go off to wound one or two more bulls. yes thats what members of my family have done and i know lots of you guys on here do it ur just not gonna admit it cuz ur cowards. if ur gonna wound a bull then fine crap happens but for god sake punch your tag right there!
 
haha this thread kills me, anybody that is complaining about Utah's elk herd is completely off their rocker or has spent very little time in the hills. I have seen more big bulls 360+ bulls killed this year than any other year. I haven't heard one hunter say the quality is down. Archery, Rifle and yet to hear from the muzzy hunters. Most guys just don't want to post them on an internet site to be crucified by a bunch of cyber-dorks that have nothing better to do with their time. A lot of you guys have no sense of reality. I wish the best for the hunter and the wounded bull. Happy Hunting!
 
I do know that those that hunt with rifles, and muzzies do the same crap though. You hit an animal, you punch your tag if you find the animal or not. That is how I was taught, and that is what I will be teaching my kids.
 
+1 Stinky

I've asked several times on other "I lost my bull" threads, how many elk, deer, bear, big horn sheep, oryx, etc. does a hunter get to wound before they become "unethical". I have yet to receive on response. I personally think it is ONE and ONLY ONE. Of course, you can keep on hunting, but you should only hunt that one animal you already wounded. And this is for hunters of all weapon types.
 
All hail king stinky! The master has spoken! This subject should be put to bed now that he has clarified everything for us. New rules for Utah hunting...or world wide for that matter. NO MORE bowhunts! Bows aren't capable of killing an elk. The minimum legal weapon is is a stinky approved 338 lapua. You must also take at least two boxes of shells with you in case you are as good a marksman as stinky is!


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I'm just tired of this crap! theres already been one guy in the nm threads who admitted to sticking a bull and not finding it and then going back to hunting! GO HOME!

Wounded or dead your hunt is over now GTFO of the woods!
 
And thats just the ones you are hearing about. I spent 2 days on the peaks with the intent to help a guide look for a lost big archery bull,you know a really good shot maybe a little far back shot then when i got out there it was. well, um,gosh, idk ,the hunter had allready gone home empty handed whats the point kinda attitude pisses me off needless to say i found the bull thursday night still following cows and bugeling and extremely sore in the back end right side but alive barely i will keep an eye on him dont know if i will even tell them or not im still pissed with their oh well off to the next hunter and 400 inch bull attitude

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Just because an animal didnt die doesnt mean it was a bad hit!! Most the time a well placed shot will kill the animal, but there are always exceptions.

Think about humans. Is every shot or stab to the chest or even the head fatal? NOPE.

##### happens and animals are tuff. It doent mean every lost animal is due to a bad shot.
 
>Just because an animal didnt die
>doesnt mean it was a
>bad hit!! Most the time
>a well placed shot will
>kill the animal, but there
>are always exceptions.
>
>Think about humans. Is every shot
>or stab to the chest
>or even the head fatal?
>NOPE.
>
>##### happens and animals are tuff.
>It doent mean every
>lost animal is due to
>a bad shot.

Nobody's arguing that *&%# happens when the arrow or bullet fly, but my point is that once that arrow or bullet draw blood you OWN that animal. If you can't recover=tag soup. If you do FAN-effing-TASTIC and congrats. It is definitely not ethical and shouldn't be legal (actually illegal in some states) to go and shoot one or two or more animals.

BTW- most humans who are shot or stabbed receive some of the most advanced trauma medicine available...that is one of the main reasons homicide rates are decreasing. Most game animals I know of don't receive the same treatment once shot.
 
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>BTW- most humans who are shot
>or stabbed receive some of
>the most advanced trauma medicine
>available...that is one of the
>main reasons homicide rates are
>decreasing. Most game animals I
>know of don't receive the
>same treatment once shot.

O btw yes humans do get
Get some of the most advanced medicines but havebt elk nlbeen dealing with injuries on their own for 100's of years ? Fights, predators, jus plane accidents and they habe servived whats the difference with gettin an antler stabbed in ur side an an arrow
$MAVERICK$
 
I say the DWR and all of us hunters take a different angle about lost animals and ethical shots. Put a limit on the number of rounds or arrows a person can use to fill the tag in hand. Let's set that limit at 1 round of amunition or arrow and see how shot selection changes. You drew the tag, you get one shot. End of the hunt. Ponder on that thought!
 
The DNR just wants them dead any way....probably just doing the state a favor......

TOTALLY KIDDING on that.....

Personally, i think its a judgement call, if you can say within yourself that the animal is not dead, you have done everything possible and it shows no signs of dying now or later......then continue to hunt......if you believe you made a killing shot on it, then stop

I do have to agree with Beavis on one thing tho there have been an awful lot of 'I hit an bull/buck and lost it this year' stories......
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The most I have ever seen on here. I shot and can't is starting to suck.

"I have found if you go the extra mile it's Never crowded".
 
Nice post Beavis14. What a freak'n a-hole you are..........let me guess, five foot four, little deek and absolutely no friends......................................just go away now dude.



Beavis14 - "if it was a good shot why did you spend days looking.

i don't mean to pick on the archers here is how i see the wounding thing........

#1 if you are an archer whether you are the guy who buys his bow the night before the season and his first draw of the string is shooting at something on opening day OR a seasoned pro who can shoot his arrow nock at 80 yards if you are loosing game every year or couple years..you are a ......HUNTING LOSER !

#2 if you are a rifleman, a guy who never shoots his trusty marlin .30-30 all year and cleans the 1/4 inch of dirt out of his scope opening day with his shirt tail or joe pro, you know the guy that shoots a wildcat that shoots a bullet at 3600 fps. and can shoot a quarter at 800 yards.........if YOU are loosing game every year or couple years....you are a ..HUNTING LOSER !!

#3 if you are a muzzleloader guy all the way from the guy who doesn't shoot for crud to daniel boone.......if you are hunting and loosing game every year or couple years...you too are a HUNTING LOSER !!

the group of guys i hunt with have lost one deer and one turkey in all the years we have been hunting . the deer was found by another hunter as it was being tracked by us. the turkey was shot at too long a range. just because you can " hit " something doesn't mean you can " kill " it. bows have penetration issues as shotguns do.

in closing if you are a HUNTING LOSER either improve or take up golf..........

wounding doesn't happen to everyone.if everyone you know is losing animals every year. it isn't because it happens to everyone.you just hunt with a bunch of LOSERS....."








"My only regret in life is setting my goals too low"
 
>Anyone find the guys elk yet???
> Would be nice end
>to this thread.


+1. Wish I could help the OP! Could this thread be anymore lame? Next time someone posts something about losing an animal, maybe people could either a)help out b)give him some encouragement or c)shut the hell up.

If someone posts something about ethical bow hunting or whether or not someone should punch their tag, chime in and post your opinion. Otherwise, why not keep the post for what it was intended?
 
To echo a post another thread plus some thoughts I added:

"Not passing judgement, I have no idea what happened so don't take this personal. What I'm worried about is this: Irresponsible Hunter (let's call him Clyde) takes a shot that HE HIMSELF knows is not a high percentage kill shot and Clyde thinks "Well hell . . . . I'll throw it up on MM after the hunt, somebody will find him eventually. . . . . was that a bugle I heard over the ridge? Let's go!"

Maybe it has never happened, maybe it never will, but here's to hoping it never does. It's bad for hunting. It's bad for the animals. I've seen multiple posts from guys looking for a bull that they've hit and I think that's great! They are still looking and using every resource they can! I applaude that. . . . . during the hunt and assuming that they are not chasing other animals."

Sounds like these guys looked hard but what are we saying if we all take a couple days off work and pound the hills until we find every bull that has been hit and lost three weeks after the hunt closes? Remember the shooting test we ALL took to get our blue card?? There werent any points given for hitting the squirrel in the leg. What about the .000005% that shoots at anything that moves and wants to claim their trophy three weeks after the fact? How the f*#k do we know the differece?
 

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