One Year Waiting Period for Genral Hunts

JakeH · Dec 28, 2006

I was just wondering what everyone thought of a one year waiting period for genral hunts, I think this is a good idea, I think we should cut out 25% of the tags for the genral hunts and make a one year waiting, so you would get a tag every other year.

I feel this would reduce pressure on the herds and allow the deer to get alittle age on them.

Now there will probly be a few people that say they only hunt for the meat, I say thats crap although they may use the meat and enjoy eating it you cant say thats what gets you through winter, with the cost of gas, tags, equipment, ect. You can buy beef for the same price.(I know I can)

Most people hunt because they enjoy hunting, be it spending time in the feild with frends and family, or just the hunt in its self.

what dose everyone else think.

Jake H. MM Member since 1999.

South_slope · Dec 28, 2006

I think you answered for me.

"Most people hunt because they enjoy hunting, be it spending time in the feild with frends and family, or just the hunt in its self."

I love spending time with friends, family, and just being in the outdoors, every year. I think if you want to hunt quality deer more often then do what I do, and apply for hunts in almost every state that has a mule deer in it.

Are you about frozen in Lapoint yet?

cantkillathing · Dec 28, 2006

Hate the idea, just helping the DWR come up with a bandaid solution for the deer herds. I think that the SFW group is doing the best and that is improving habitat to increase deer herds. We need more deer in utah, and killing the bucks isn't the problem, it is that we don't have the doe's, they need to stop all doe hunts and quit giving deperdation tags, in my opionion instead of giving 10 doe permits for deperdation tags give 5 buck permits, it will help more, because the 5 bucks won't produce off spring, but now the 10 does will increase the deer herd by 10 or more in one year.
Another reason is that I like to hunt deer, and I don't want to wait every other year.

bobcatbess · Dec 28, 2006

JUDAS FRICKEN PRIEST!!!

IT SHOULD OF BEEN IN PLACE YEARS AGO!!!

BUT THANKS TO ALL THE OPPORTUNISTS WANTING TO HUNT & SHOOT PISSCUTTERS IT AIN'T BEEN HAPPENING!!!

COLORADO HAS BROUGHT THEIR DEER HERDS BACK A BIT!!!

IT ENTALED HAMMERING ELK!!!

AND RAISED THE PRICE OF NON-RESIDENT TAGS!!!

I DOUBT WE'LL EVER HAVE TROPHY CLASS OF BOTH DEER & ELK IN THE SAME AREA!!!

SO LETS MANAGE FOR BOTH IN DIFFERENT UNITS!!!

THE ONLY bobcat SEEING SO FRICKEN MANY PROBLEMS WITH THE SYSTEM ITS BEYOND A FRICKEN JOKE,GOOD DAY!!!

sremim · Dec 29, 2006

RE: JUDAS FRICKEN PRIEST!!!

LAST EDITED ON Dec-29-06 AT 07:35AM (MST)[p]Not sure I see how that would be much of a benefit. How many people don't get a tag now? If there are as many people who don't get tags now as there are who do, then "every other year" would mean the same number of hunters would be in the field regardless if they had to wait a year. Of course, this would only apply in units that are 50% or lower draw rate. But then again, if you have to wait every other year in one unit, why can't they go to the units that have more than 50% draw and hunt there. This would then create the same problem of a 50x50 split as mentioned above. There are just too many hunters for something like this to work as easily as you describe it.

Of course I'm not from Utah, so maybe I don't know what I'm talking about!!!

It's Bush's fault!!!

thebuckstopshere · Dec 29, 2006

RE: JUDAS FRICKEN PRIEST!!!

Buy beef? Spoken like someone who knows nothing about venison. If you don't know why some would want to eat venison rather than beef, then you are likely part of the problem with hunting.

Good day!

PS - I like the current system in Utah. The way it is, my family is guaranteed a tag every year.

Packout · Dec 29, 2006

Already have to Wait (or not)

Sremin has it right and he isn't even from Utah. There is no need to institute waiting periods for Utah general season deer tags because we are on a Preference Point system. You go to the end of the line after drawing and everyone ahead of you gets a tag first. The Central and Southern regions are already on a 1 year wait.

Wes · Dec 29, 2006

They are called GENERAL HUNTS for a reason, so the GENERAL POPULATION has the opportunity to hunt as often as possible. This is another idea to limit hunters from the chance to hunt so as to increase the expected quality of another person's hunt. If you or anyone else wants to hunt in an uncrowded enviroment in a GENERAL area get off your lazy a$$ and put in a little extra effort and get in farther away from the crowd. IF you are concerned about the health of the herd and the trophy quality of the bucks don't shoot anything. If you happen upon a trophy buck pass on him so he has the ability to pass on his genes. Show us the way! I'm one of those hunters who LOVES to HUNT no matter the conditions or whether or not I kill or have the chance to kill what you may consider a quality animal and I'm a little tired of other so called hunters trying to limit my or other hunters chances of doing what we enjoy. There are plenty of limited entry areas for you and others like you to apply for that will increase the so called quality of your hunt and afford you your desired waiting period, so rather then expect others to sacrifice for your gain limit yourself and not the hunters who are happy to enjoy whatever opportunity we have to be in the hills doing what we love.
Wes

huntindudley · Dec 29, 2006

RE: Already have to Wait (or not)

I think that would be great. I'd be more than willing to only hunt every other year if it would mean better deer herds and not so many hunters. The only bad thing is then the DWR would have to double the price of tags so they could make their money. Don't forget it's all about the money.

old_man_of_the_hills · Dec 29, 2006

Bad idea. We already have enough trouble getting kids interested in the sport. The problem is not with hunters, its with predators and poor winter range.

RACKMASTER · Dec 29, 2006

thats the way it is now isn't it?
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JakeH · Dec 29, 2006

"""Buy beef? Spoken like someone who knows nothing about venison. If you don't know why some would want to eat venison rather than beef, then you are likely part of the problem with hunting."""

Sorry, I didnt know you had a problem with beef, maybe you should enliten me on why some would want to eat venison rather than beef, and why dose that make me part of the problem with hunting.

At least I'm trying to start conversation about ways to help the herds out rather than go along about my life like nothing is wrong with the current situation.

PS, I grew up on venison, elk, and the dreded BEEF.

"""PS - I like the current system in Utah. The way it is, my family is guaranteed a tag every year."""

This is my point, you dont need a tag every year, quit being so selfish, and lets try and improve the herds some. and if you want to hunt with your family then you can do a 10 person applacation, you will still be hunting with your family.

WES,
So you dont think there is a problem with are declining deer herds, and we should just leave it the way it is, I'm not saying what I suggested is going to fix all the problems we have but I dont think it could hurt.

Old Man,
I agree with you about the predators and winter range issues, I dont think offering a kid a deer tag every year will boost there willingness to hunt, I think if you introduce hunting to a kid they will like it or they wont, I dont see how limiting them to every other year will hurt this.

Cant Kill a Thing,
I agree with you on stoping the doe hunts.

Bobcat,
I also agree that Elk is a big problem in getting the deer herds back up, its proven that deer prefer not to be around elk.

South Slope,
Yes its freezing over here, how did you know I was from Lapoint.

GOOD DAY!!!!

Jake H. MM Member since 1999.

Packout · Dec 29, 2006

Jake, the division gives out X number of tags and there are Y number of applicants. So if X is greater than Y, then a hunter can hunt every year. If X is less than Y, then hunters are on a 1 or 2 or more year waiting period. The tags will be sold so why does it matter to whom they are sold? The preference points put everyone on the same level. Cut tags all you want to help herds (as long as it is helping herds and not some lazy hunter to kill a 20" buck rather than a 2 point).

Now for beef---- Maybe you don't realize the amount of shots, medicated feed, hormone implants, and other substances put into commercially finished beef. We have raised cattle my whole life. I like a good beef steak, but I will take un-medicated wild game that has never had steriod implants over a beef anyday. That great ribeye steak may have had a needle injecting Micotil into it just 30 days before you ate it. Now I have to get to bed because I have to feed the cows in the morning.

JakeH · Dec 30, 2006

Pack out, I know this (the x and y thing) I never said to get rid of the prefrence point system, I did say we need to cut the number of tags given each year, I guess that in some areas you will have to wait longer. You guys think that I think my idea was set in stone or something I want imput from you guys, I think Daxter had a good Idea on his post (Ut deer mangment). I think that if we all brain storm together we can do something about it.

As for as beef goes that was not the intetion of my post to argue over beef, I obviously dont know that much about it as you guys do. I was just stating that you cant feed a family through the winter off of one deer, or probly even 3.

Jake H. MM Member since 1999.

bsneekee · Dec 30, 2006

Well, first of all I don't like the one year waiting deal. However, with the number of guys in the hills and all the different seasons I feel that western mule deer hunting will eventually be done completely on a draw only basis or extremely short season,(five day) ect. Whitetails are much more resourceful and adaptable than mule deer and many western states who used to be known for monster mulies are now more well known for monster whitetails, i.e. montana and idaho. In Idaho the whitetails keep creeping further and further south into the mule deer range. Boiseans keep buying up the foothills and putting subdivisions such as Harris Ranch and the new complex off highway 55 as your heading to horseshoe bend in critical winter range. With this being said I would rather see mule deer herds doing well than me with a tag every year. After all i do have the entire fall and winter to chase birds. However, tag every other year and draw only system should be implemented only if truely neccessary and before it becomes a last ditch attempt to save mule deer herds. Looking forward to mule deer season has always been a tradition in my family and we definately enjoy the experience even if there are more people in the hills and very few big bucks.