How are the WA deer doing?

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Anyone keeping an eye on the deer situation in the Okanogan? I'm more interested in the herd around the big fire area of Tripod mountain and the Sinlahekin valley. I'd hate to see another big die-off like we had a decade ago.
 
Been talking to my buddy in Republic and he has been seeing more deer down low than he ever has. He started feeding alfalfa to them after he noticed about 20 deer pushing his horses away from their feed and getting into his hay barn. He said that he is now (as of last week) feeding close to 50 whitetails and muleys at his place. He also mentioned that the bucks are dropping their anlers way early this year. Some of the whities started well before Christmas. He is afraid that they might lose a bunch of fawns due to the fact that so many of them were born realy late in the season last year. I am going to call him up tonight and see how they are doing after this week of "arctic cold".
Eric
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I was in Chelan two weeks ago and their was lots of snow. The bucks had already started dropping their antlers the earliest drop I have ever hreard of. If it stays cold for the rest of the winter we are going to see huge amounts of dead deer.
 
I've had the same thought all week. Hopefully things will lighten up over there or I think this will be the first big winterkill in 10 years. Looking at the calendar we are due for one......last big one was 96-97, before that 92-93, and before that I think 83-84.......hopefully not though!
 
Last year was fairly substantial of a winterkill, especially on the fawns. The deer going into this winter are big and strong. Populations are down, and those going in have tons of fat on them because of the increased moisture and browse of this year. That being said, they are getting their butts kicked. The snow is deep and crusted and the yotes and dogs are running on top. Toss in a few thousand recreators and shed antler hunters, and we've got problems. If this would have happened last year, it would have been disasterous. This isn't good wither, but they are positioned the best possible way to survive it.
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LAST EDITED ON Jan-13-07 AT 06:32PM (MST)[p]Just got off the phone with my buddy. He is finding a few winter kills a wolf kill and several cat kills. One of the cat kills was within 100 yds of his horse corral. He said that the deer around his place are doing ok because he is feeding them, but he took his snowmobile farther up in the hills and that is where he is finding the winterkills. Mostly younger deer. It has been around -14?f a couple of nights this week and right at +6?f during the day. Pretty tough on critters that arent use to that kind of weather. I dont think that this is the last of it. You know something is going on when almost all of the whities have shed before the first week of the year and about half of the mulies have done the same. Way too early for that many bald bucks!!!!
Eric
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The deer in the okanogan seem to be doing ok. alot of the deer are down in the lower elevations. there does't seem to be too bad of winter kill, YET. We are having a problem in the Sinlahekin with some poaching going on. If only i could catch someone. Our wildlife officers are really working the area and hopefully they can get whoever is doing it.
 
We had a bit of a warm spell here in Chelan County right before this cold snap. That bared off a lot of the south facing slopes which should help. The coyotes and cats should have plenty to eat this winter!

-Lowedog
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-14-07 AT 09:57PM (MST)[p]The bigger problem over there in the Loomis area is do to a financially loaded whack job who is buying everything in sight and posting it no tresspassing. His name is Buzzard - no kidding.

Don
 
I got back today from Oregon and drove through several wildlife refuges on the west side coming back, including the Columbian Whitetail refuge, JBH. I have been going to that area several times a year for 20 years and I've never seen so few deer. They are not used to the snow and ice and the type of temperatures they've had on JBH this winter and I think some of the bucks didn't survive the rut. We covered every inch of the refuge and saw four deer and no bucks. We usually see dozens of bucks every trip. I did get some good shots of a nice bull I'll post when I can. If it's bad on this side, I know it's worse on the east side.
 
i noticed that this year when my dad and i were hunting up on chepaka mt that everything in sight was posted!! i killed my first whitetail up there a few years back now the same hill is posted!! very frusterating
 
This is definitly the hardest winters our deer have had around here in a while, and its definitly taking a toll on them. They came out of winter weak last year, went in to winter weak this year and i think there are gonna be a lot that doesnt come out of this winter at all in certain areas.
 
The winter of 05-06 hit the Methow but the rest of the Okanogan and Chelan Counties did fine with only the normal fawn loss. This winter is getting off to a rough start. The melt off in 50 degree weather last week really did open up the south facing slopes. I think we are okay as long as the temperatures stay out of the sub-zero range and we don't get another foot or two of snow in the wintering areas. So far, I don't see repeat of the 96-97 or 68-69 winter kills.
 
Here is a story from my Dad this morning......

This all took place in a period of 1 and 1/2 hours.

I looked across the river in the open field of Bernards, there was 6 deer, in an old trail, stuck right in the middle, they were in a very tight bunch. Two coyotes were playing grab ass by them, the coyotes would go from one end of the line to the other, each time the deer would turn to face them. Soon there was 3, then 4, then 5 coyotes. Two big old males, an older female that was the leader and I would guess 2 young ones, they are starting to show signs of rutting, after a while the old males run the young with their tails between their legs down over the hill, 1 old dog lay down to watch them the other went back to help the female with the deer. The female defiantly wanted to take the deer into the brush by the spring, she would jump at the lead doe and the doe would make a jump at her, the coyote kept backing up and the doe kept chasing her, thus stringing the deer knot into a line, the male was laying in a leaping position 6 feet from the trail, the deer had to go by him, they would hold back then rush by, thus making the line of 6 longer and longer. When there was one deer left the male jumped in front of it turning it around, the female come in on the other end. The deer would face one and the other would grab it's legs, the deer would spin and the other would grab it. In the mean time I could see the other male and one of the younger coyotes, they just lay there watching. From the start I could see magpies flitting around the area. The coyotes were working on the crust and the deer were in crust to their knees even in the old trail, they were having trouble pulling their legs lose.
Soon the doe made a run for the timber, the dogs grabbing at it, when it got into the trees I couldn't see it any more, the other coyotes joined the kill. In 5 minuets a golden eagle come landing on a tree right above where the kill was, in 5 more min. another one come. 10 minuets later 4 deer come out of the brush onto the north hill, they were very nervous but only walked and kept looking back, I think they were tired, after awhile they relaxed and started feeding on around the hill. The last one to come out turned around and went back into the brush, I never seen any action after that except the eagles would fly down and back.
Right from the start it looked like two groups of 3 with the deer, do you think the coyotes would kill two?? and one was the fawn of the doe that went back?
It was very interesting how they worked, and all the scavengers knew so soon, wish the brush wasn't so thick so I could have seen the whole thing.
The deer just ached like they knew one of them was going to be eaten.
 
Of course....his faithful son's first questions was why in the hell weren't you over there shooting?

I watched this once one year in the riverbottom hunting. 5 does were out in the open with 7 coyotes after them. There was no snow. Once the deer spotted me, they headed right at me, coyotes in tow. The deer funneled by and I gave up hunting deer for the morning and commensed to shooting. I shot the first one at 5 feet in the nose head on with a 180 grain bullet my Dad had loaded up for Grizzly with his Remington 700, 06. Pretty much gutted him. Coyotes were running everywhere. I managed to get two more on the run. Pretty exciting morning. It must be the predator in me, but I just can't stand watching that, I feel I have to equalize the situation a bit.
 

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