gross vs. net

[idahonative]

Question for you, and if possible, try to keep your answers short and to the point.
Gross on a non-typical is easy. It's just no symmetry deductions.
On typicals, it gets muddier. Is it just the typical frame without any symmetry deductions, or is it the gross typ. frame AND the abnormal points?

Part two:
If you could see one additional listing in a records book for TYPICAL deer, would you rather see: 1) Total gross score including abnormal points, or 2)just the gross typical frame (without symmetry deductions and ignoring the abnormal points)?

 

[TFinalshot]

gross typical frame -

I changed my mind! LOL

 

[257Tony]

It hink maybe you have your categories mixed up? Gross scoring a Typ is very easy, Non-typ is a little more difficult. TO get the graoss you just add up the gross from the typ frame, then add the extras. For net on non-typ just subtract the differences in the typ frame. Easy as pie......Don't forget to add 5-10" before posting pics of said trophy here on MM


Somebody didn't like bouncing betty

 

[camuleycrazy]

I'd like to see a gross gross nontypical score added. Give the deer credit for all the bone.

 

[slamdunk]

Nets are for fish!!!

 

[BUCKSPY]

The total gross typical frame before symmetry deducts and nontyp deducts is what the eye sees and is what gives huge typicals the wow factor and wall appeal.

 

[ktc]

Net is the official rule. However, I like gross scores myself. If it has bone and inches then count it. I hate seeing a big typical with the trash deducted.

Just my personal opinion.

 

[huntnphool]

I have to agree with KTC, give the animal full credit. Few people look at a nice buck and get disappointed because it has a couple 1" cheater points sticking off the G3, however it does give the buck some added character that most find appealing..............rf

 

[D13er]

I've always thought that a score of "cubic inches" would be interesting. Measuring would be done by submerging in water and measuring the displaced water giving a true "volume" of antler material.

JB

 

[jasn]

I'm with D13er. I think volume would be a true credit for all the "bone" growth.

A high gross typical score is my favorite looking mount (no extras), a high gross non-typical is a great looking unique deer and a trophy for all, but my gut has always been with a totally new measurement system for volume measurement.

 

[cabinfever]

Gross all the way. Net score is pretty lame if you think about it. Case in point! The world record typical burris buck has symmetry but lacks in mass and eye appeal. I have seen this buck in person and there were other mounts next to it with more mass, and boxier frames that had far better eye appeal.

 

[cheeseheadinOHIO]

I shot a typical with an extra tine on one side (4x5). The extra tine is in-line and about 5 inches long. I assume that one tine will be deducted from the gross? It has not been scored yet, but I'm afraid it will gross B&C but will fall under 180 with the one tine deduction. Who can clear this up for me? Thanks.

 

[D13er]

a typical mule deer can only have 4 typical points and the main beams. This includes eyeguards being the g1's. Anything more is abnormal regardless of where it is located.

JB

 

[cheeseheadinOHIO]

Pictures didn't upload... sorry.

 

[D13er]

Yes, that point is abnormal.

JB

 

[cheeseheadinOHIO]

What do you think he'll measure?

 

[ismith]

Nice buck! Id bet he would gross 170's.
ismith

"Never argue with an idiot; they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." ~ anonymous

 

[idhunters]

Cheesehead thats a great buck that will gross over 180, maybe over 185 but will not net 180 due to the deduction.

But why be disappointed? Who really cares, its a hellavu buck.

I would rather shoot a buck with 200" of horn on his head that "nets" 175 typical than shoot a buck with 190 gross and 185 net. 200" is bigger than 190" right? even though the second buck makes the "book" and the first one doesn't.

 

[NMHUNTNUTT1]

I agree with idhunters....But I don't like how BC & PY deduct for net score ,I think total growth should be counted , guess I'm partial to the SCI , they give credit for total bone grown...

 

[BOHNTR]

"guess I'm partial to the SCI , they give credit for total bone grown..."

Yeah, and they also accept pen-raised animals.

I don't mind the B&C measuring system the way it is.....it's been that way for a long time and we all know the rules. If someone wants to tell me the gross & net scores, I don't mind at all. In fact, it gives me a better mental picture of the antler configuration. However, the "official" score is still the net! JMO

BOHNTR )))---------->

 

[supersider34]

Just like Sneekee has on a shirt I have and seen part of the saying above.
" There is no substitute for gross score, Nets are for fish."

I only go after anything with my bow over 160" that is gross. Get a better understanding of a animal when you hear a gross score.

 

[supersider34]

Cheese that is a great buck you shot there. But you might be more disappointed if you try and get it officially score. Had one of my bucks gross score 182 P&Y and nets 155 because the way it was measured. But I have not put any of the bucks or animals I have ever put in any books. Just a name in a book. Son can do whatever he likes after I am dead and gone. Can even use his name. LOL

 

[canhunter]

A total score would be nice. I like the ability to include all the horn. I don't think pen raised or high fenced should be allowed in any book with out it being noted. Score reflects a good animal for sure, but I shoot based on how it looks overall to me.

 

[UTmonsterslayer]

in my opinion, high netting bucks are in a class of their own. there's nothing better than a symmetrical monster!!!........mmmmmmmmmmmmmm good lookin'!

 

[polarbear]

Gross everything! I also like the SCI scoring method, I just hate their values as far as acceptable hunting methods.

Eric

Ultra liberal, wolf loving, illiterate, gay, hippie midgets on crack piss me off!!!!