B&C Entries and the Jicarilla

[Daxter]

Does the Reservation require hunters to enter their animals in the record book? I am sure the muley hunting is great on the Jicarilla (wish I could know firsthand), but they have way more entries from Rio Arriba County than any other and I am trying to figure out why. Based on data through 2005 Rio Arriba has 113 total entries, Coconino Co. AZ (the strip) has 75, followed by Eagle Co. CO with 51 to round out the top three. Might have changed after the 2006 season. Are there really just than many more book mulies in NM?

Dax

 

[JakeH]

I think the jicarilla just has an awsome manegment program, they take some monsters out of there every year.


Jake H. MM Member since 1999.

 

[AZBob]

The Jicarilla Reservation is in Rio Arriba County, so many of the entries from that county are from the Jic. The B&C scoresheet asks for the "Exact locality where killed" and most people seem to prefer to just list the County. Coconino County is a huge county which includes the North Kaibab, but not the Strip, which is in Mohave County.

 

[JFWRC]

LAST EDITED ON Feb-24-07 AT 08:15AM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Feb-24-07 AT 07:26?AM (MST)

Don't forget GMU 2

 

[JFWRC]

This was from 2A

 

[JFWRC]

The first buck is 194, the second although harvested illegally and displayed in the Dept of Game and Fish office in Albuquerque is 243. If 2 interests you, shoot me a e-mail at [email protected].

 

[Packout]

The Jicarilla costs a lot of money to hunt so it stands to reason that those hunters are more concerned with the Book. They probably enter their deer at the highest rate into the Book. Those other units listed, and many more, are hunted by lucky guys who draw and probably don't really care much about the Book. I have seen Book bucks thrown in a pile by guys who just hunt and could care less about the Book.

 

[manny15]

I was under the impression that a buck killed on an Indian Reservation was not accepted by B&C, I thought I read that a few years ago in Eastman?s, which had an article on a record book bull killed by a guy who lived on a Res. that could not be entered?

 

[Hawkk33]

You got it all wrong Manny.

This topic was covered awhile back on MM with the outcome being B&C accepts harvests on reservations as long as they are harvested in the manner outlined by B&C.

 

[HiMtnHntr]

That fact that Rio Arriba has more entries is likely a combination of there being some insanely huge bucks there and that a great many are taken off of the Jicarilla, where I would guess that most bucks are encouraged to be entered.

 

[manny15]

LAST EDITED ON Feb-24-07 AT 10:49AM (MST)[p]>You got it all wrong Manny.
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>
>This topic was covered awhile back
>on MM with the outcome
>being B&C accepts harvests on
>reservations as long as they
>are harvested in the manner
>outlined by B&C.


thanks, I guess the guy in eastman's must of shot the bull with out having a general license?...

 

[HiMtnHntr]

LAST EDITED ON Feb-24-07 AT 10:48AM (MST)[p]You may be talking about the Shipsey bull? The memory of those circumstances escapes me but I remember there were some legal issues surrounding that bull. I think that bull came off of the San Carlos.

 

[Daxter]

Thanks for the responses guys. I still have some doubts at to whether Rio Arriba County is really that much better than the others, or if they just put more emphasis on entering them in the book. I think the B&C records are a good place to judge potential, but I also know that lots of guys never have their deer offically scored. Thanks again.

Dax

 

[crazeymaez]

All deer killed in the jic must go through there game and fish dept.Res or non-res.Im sure they measure it right there and tell you a score if they think it will make book.

 

[BomberBlackies]

Believe me....No Big Bucks off the reservation. They are ALL on the rez!

 

[camuleycrazy]

I know of several record book scoring bucks taken on the res and not entered in B&C.

 

[MuskegMan]

Quote: "That fact that Rio Arriba has more entries is likely a combination of there being some insanely huge bucks there and that a great many are taken off of the Jicarilla, where I would guess that most bucks are encouraged to be entered."

Be careful how you read the stats. I'm not saying Rio Arriba isn't the best, but . . .

Rio Arriba = 5,880 sq. mi.
Eagle = 1,701 sq. mi.
Pitkin = 970 sq. mi.
Summit = 619 sq. mi.
Gunnison = 3,259 sq. mi.
Grand = 1,869 sq. mi.

Add 3 or 4 of those contiguous COLO counties together and you get and equal area comparison.

MM

 

[Silentstalker]

I have seen 1st hand the bucks down there while hunting elk. There are some monsters. I saw a giant buck every day and some days more than 1. I saw a ton of really big bucks as well. The elk someone refered to above probably came off their high fenced opporation that is in a very small area of the reservation. I don't know that for sure, just my speculation as to why they could not enter it in the book. Definatly a big buck area!

Chad

 

[nvmuley]

And they work real hard to manage their deer herd because it is does have value. Extensive predator control work is done. Big bucks are worth big money and their deer herd is worth a lot to them. .... Public land managers value coyotes and lions way more than the deer, they have poor deer survival and average hunting. Their program should be a model for others to follow.



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