Wolves -AZ Game & Fish- UNREAL!

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Hello fellow Sportsmen,

I don't know how many of you received this email today from OUR Game & Fish, but it's incredibly alarming to me. Don't they get it?!
I think I speak for 99% of the Arizona (and other state's) sportsmen. WE DON'T WANT YOUR WOLVES WRECKING OUR BIG GAME POPULATIONS IN ARIZONA! All they need to do is ask Idaho, Wyoming, & Montana how the wolves are working out for them.

Can't Arizona learn from the mistakes of the northern states?
Can anyone tell me why our Game & Fish caves to this liberal, anti-hunting, misguided pro wolf policy? I thought Game & Fish was supposed to be on OUR SIDE and protect and enhance our big game. Seems like they are selling out to the dark side!
I'm pretty sure that the main reason G & F personel have jobs is because of us hunters- not the antis and pro wolf crowd! It's high time that they wised up.
Just goes to show how screwed up everything in our country is right now. Nobody can just say it how it is and everything has to be sugar coated so as not to offend anyone. Here's how I feel, "TAKE YOUR DUMB, WORTHLESS, FLEA RIDDEN WOLVES AND SHOVE THEM UP YOUR ASS. WE SPORTSMEN DON'T WANT THEM!!! THEY DON'T SERVE ANY USEFUL PURPOSE IN OUR GAME MANAGEMENT OTHER THAN TO DAMAGE AND DESTROY WHAT WE LOVE SO MUCH- OUR BIG GAME. IF THEY BECOME EXTINCT, WHO CARES!!! THEY ARE NOTHING BUT A GLORIFIED, OVERGROWN DOG."

SPORTSMEN, IF YOU SUPPORT WOLVES THEN YOU ARE NOT A TRUE HUNTER, PLAIN AND SIMPLE! RATHER YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM AND AN ENEMY OF OURS.

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This came from Game & Fish today... Feb. 3, 2012


Arizona wolf numbers are up
Arizona Game and Fish Department conducts 2011 population surveys in state for multi-agency Mexican wolf program





The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS), Arizona Game and Fish Department and other partners in the Mexican Wolf Reintroduction Project announced earlier today that the endangered Mexican wolf population count increased to a minimum of 58 wolves compared to last year?s count of 50.

The increase is encouraging news for the multi-agency program, especially considering that the state?s largest wildfire, the Wallow, burned through three packs? denning areas within weeks of pups being born.

The wolf project stimulates high public interest, and the public often asks Game and Fish how wolf population surveys are conducted and what the department's role in the project is.

The Arizona Game and Fish Department dedicates five staff to the Interagency Field Team (IFT), the multi-agency group that oversees on-the-ground wolf conservation activities. Game and Fish?s IFT staff are responsible for the day-to-day management of wolves; coordinating and conducting the annual population counts; and, any helicopter-associated wolf captures in Arizona on public lands and on the Fort Apache Indian Reservation.

In addition, the department provides pilots and fixed-wing planes to assist in locating wolves via telemetry signals prior to the helicopter counts and any capture efforts throughout the Blue Range Wolf Recovery Area (BRWRA), which encompasses parts of Arizona and New Mexico. This year the department conducted the surveys in Arizona, while FWS conducted them in New Mexico.

Other specially-trained Game and Fish personnel that are not part of the IFT assist with capture operations in Arizona to ensure darting and net-gunning activities are conducted in the safest and most proficient manner possible.

Even before aerial operations begin, Game and Fish?s IFT staff are involved in estimating the number of uncollared wolves present in Arizona. They begin surveying for uncollared wolves months earlier through howling surveys, track surveys, use of trail cameras and other methods. They also contact stakeholders, such as landowners and grazing permittees, in the wolf reintroduction area to advise them of upcoming surveys and collect any wolf activity information from them.

?Developing partnerships with these critical stakeholders and implementing proactive management efforts to reduce wolf-livestock interactions on public and private lands is, we believe, the key to the long-term survival of the wolves in the Southwest,? said Director Larry Voyles of the Arizona Game and Fish Department. ?Building public tolerance by those who live on the land and must coexist with the wolf is crucial to the success of the Mexican wolf program in Arizona.

?Every biologist who works on an endangered species repatriation project prays for the day that wild-born progeny are on the ground,? said Voyles. ?The IFT estimates that more than 90 percent of the collared wolves on the ground today in Arizona were born in the wild. Further, we have at least an 18 percent increase in total numbers and a 150 percent increase in breeding pairs over 2010 numbers.

?Even though these numbers are below the target levels of the recovery plan, these elements exhibit a cornerstone achievement in Mexican wolf conservation,? continued Voyles, ?and this year?s count gives credence to the fact that we are moving in a positive direction.?

The IFT estimates the Mexican wolf population at a minimum count level because it is impossible to find and verify every uncollared animal that may exist in the wild. However, the 2011 population count is considered one of the most inclusive because the IFT trapped and collared 16 wolves this fall, allowing biologists to more accurately track and estimate the population than in years when fewer animals were collared.

Population survey and management activities conducted by Game and Fish?s IFT staff are funded by contracts and grants from FWS; no sportsmen-generated funds are used for these count efforts.

The project's other cooperative partners include FWS, White Mountain Apache Tribe, USDA Forest Service, USDA Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service ? Wildlife Services, and Graham, Greenlee and Navajo Counties.

For more information on the Mexican wolf in Arizona, visit www.azgfd.gov/wolf.
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Check out this video:
http://youtu.be/-n8Q1cNr0OA

Pathetic if you ask me. What a horrible, drawn out, miserable way for elk to die. Hunting is the efficient way to responsibly manage our big game- not throwing them over to the wolves! They don't have any "season dates" or "bag limits." For them it's open season, 365 days a year on our precious big game! Just how OUR ENEMIES WANT IT!
Anyone agree with me? If you do, let our Game & Fish know that they work for us and not the pro wolf crowd.
 
What dollar amount are we talking about what the US fish and wildlife spends on this program?
 
I wish you all luck but when the feds decide they are going to ruin something its just about impossible to stop them.
 
This was posted on the Arizona Forum in response to my post...

"I understand your frustration Elk1, but please try to calm down a bit and exclaim fewer emotionally charged sentiments regarding this debacle. Avoid reckless accusations of 'blame', denigrating the animals themselves, and any unnecessary lambasting of the 'enemy' (yes, I despise them idiot greens as well) in your communications, and your message will carry much more dignity and garner wider respect."

This was my response...

"My point exactly when I said, "Just goes to show how screwed up everything in our country is right now. Nobody can just say it how it is and everything has to be sugar coated so as not to offend anyone."

Fellas, this political correctness has got to stop. Since when were we told that we have to filter everything we say to be "taken seriously." How has that worked out for us with wolf reintroduction and politics? Not very well, I would contend. That's why John McCain got OWNED by Obama in the last election, because he was too much of a politically correct pansy to say it like it is.
And, That's why Idaho, Wyoming, and Montana got wolves.

You can keep the kid gloves on and be sure to "not offend" anyone and when we have wolves all over our state at least we will still be respected by the liberals.

What makes me sick is that I can guarantee you that our game & fish director, Larry Voyles, has been handcuffed by political correctness. It would be interesting to know how he really feels in the privacy of his own living room!

Me? I'm going to say it how it is without the gloves and filter.
Wolves will be a disaster to our state and it's big game if we keep going down this path of indifference. REAL HUNTERS don't support wolf reintroduction in any scale, and will stand up and say so loud and clear.
I've written to our Game & Fish and while I was "respectful" I didn't mince words. I encourage others to do the same. Go to www.AZGFD.GOV and click on "send comments" at the bottom of the page. OUR game & fish needs to hear from the people that pay their salaries."

Guys,if you care about hunting Arizona in the next decade and beyond, you should strongly consider sending a comment to the AZ Game & Fish. It doesn't have to take an hour, just a paragraph or two stating that you 100% completely oppose any further wolf reintroduction.
If you don't think it will happen, ask Idaho, Wyoming and Montana about that.
I'm going to keep saying it like Sean Hannity would if he were a hunter. Tell it like it is without the politically correct filter over my mouth!
http://youtu.be/-n8Q1cNr0OA
 
I appreciate your candor and fervor in this matter, but when it comes to the ESA the feds can do darn near anything they want to. That includes forcing the states to try and dicker with them on how many will be allowed and not If they will be. Do you really think that Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming wanted wolves in their states?
 
We argued our point for 3 years here before they told us they appreciated all our input and they were going ahead with their original plan.Maybe you can get the RMEF on board,they didnt lift a finger to help here in MT when it was happening but maybe they have a clue now.
 
This is what I wrote, sure its only one complaint, but we can't sit and do nothing.

"I am a non resident that has been building points in your state for a few years now. My intentions were to hunt Arizona as much as possible, not only for myself, but with my brother and my kids as they grow of age.

I have extreme fears of the proven problems with wolves on big game animals. I beg of Arizona to make educated decisions on reintroduction issues concerning wolves. Please, listen to the sportsmen, the very people that are the pipeline of money for your agency. I think the best answers to tough decisions will come from these people.
I speak for myself and undoubtably many many other sportsmen when I say, I will take my money else where if wolves are allowed to do what they do best."

I will post any responce I get fro them.
 
Considering the AZ Game dept has absolutely no control of the introduction, your comments are pretty much farts in the wind.

The most AZ can do is pull their field support of the Feds, as NM did.
 
I agree azelk1 100%. My opinion s this is a anti-hunting, anti-gun, liberal devised plan to undermine what we love!!! I entrust when we cross a wolf in the wild in any state, you all know what to do.
 
Here is the response to my email, take it for what its worth?

I received your email and the passion you have for hunting and for wildlife is obvious. The Arizona Game and Fish Department manages all the wildlife in Arizona for our citizens, both game and non-game. At close to 800 species, we are the most wildlife diverse inland state in the nation. We are, as you note, a state with wonderful opportunities for hunters and anglers. Part of our management efforts include hunter/angler recruitment and retention and the success of our wildlife management depends on citizens? support, to include hunting. We will continue to expand our efforts in that regard.

The Mexican wolf is a federally listed species under the auspices of the Endangered Species Act. The Arizona Game and Fish Commission has demonstrated support for a Mexican wolf recovery program that is balanced. The wolf is considered one part of the equation. Other parts include a vigorous, healthy elk, deer and antelope herd and recognition of the folks that live on the land and derive a living from there and the need for habitats that are in balance and ecologically sound. The Commission is dedicated to hearing from all those who have a strong desire to ?come to the table? and seek solutions. Your interest, input and support are needed in Arizona to achieve balance on these emotional and sometimes divisive issues. The Commission supports wolves on the ground in a balance that also provides opportunity to sportsmen/hunters, recognizes that citizens reside and make a living in the same area and keeps the habitats in the healthiest, most productive condition.

Thank you for your comments.

Jim Paxon, Information Branch Chief
 
My interpretation of the response:

The Department doesn't really like wolves eating our game animals and livestock. The Commission tells us what to do. They will listen to the wheel that squeaks the most and the loudest. Make sure you attend the Commission meeting and give your input if you want to slow down the wolfies.

Thanks blazingsaddle for sending your e-mail and posting the response.
 
What passes for common sense in this country is amazing. Does anyone read a history book? Has anyone taken a look at the chronology of events in the Yellowstone situation- theres a well managed situation < insert sarcasm here>

Has anyone of these so called wildlife experts ever explained how they will manage a natural born killer that roams hundreds of miles to new hunting grounds? Is this a job security thing for these Wildlife guys?

With all of the trouble wolves caused in the settling of this country- has anyone asked the question; Do we really need these wolves with all of the potential conflicts?

Most of us already know the reason for wolves; Its politics, pure and simple. And there is no room for common sense in politics....
 
Fellas,

This is the canned response that I received from the Game & Fish regarding wolves. Huh, it's the exact same callous response that Blazingsaddle got- imagine that.
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"I received your email and the passion you have for hunting and for wildlife is obvious. You are right that hunting is a very important part of our funding. License sales accounted for 29% of Department funding and Pittman-Robertson $(excise taxes from the sale of firearms, ammunition, etc.) amounted to 14%, so the total funding from the contribution from hunters and shooting sports enthusiasts for the 2011 budget was 43%. The Arizona Game and Fish Department manages all the wildlife in Arizona for our citizens, game and non-game. At close to 800 species, we are the most diverse inland state in the nation. The Mexican wolf is a federally listed species under the auspices of the Endangered Species Act. The Arizona Game and Fish Commission has demonstrated support for a Mexican wolf recovery program that is balanced. The wolf is considered one part of the equation. Other parts include a vigorous, healthy elk, deer and antelope herd and recognition of the folks that live on the land and derive a living from there and the need for habitats that are in balance and ecologically sound. The Commission is dedicated to hearing from all those who have a strong desire to ?come to the table? and seek solutions. The Commission supports wolves on the ground in a balance that provides opportunity to sportsmen/hunters, recognizes that citizens reside and make a living in the same area and keeps the habitats in the healthiest, most productive condition. Thank you for your comments."



Jim Paxon, Information Branch Chief
Arizona Game and Fish Department
5000 West Carefree Highway IEIN
Phoenix AZ 85086
Phone 623.236.7226 / Cell 602.920.8053
[email protected] / Fax 623.236.7903
www.azgfd.gov
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At best, they sure seem to be "neutral" in their stance. It's concerning.
I realize that our neighbors to the North did not want wolves either, but had them rammed down their throat by the Feds. Kind of like health care:) I think these guys have an elite, "know better" attitude than us about wolves and it's infuriating.

The more research I do, the more I realize that it's not about saving wolves at all, but more about big money and lawsuits. Make no mistake, this is all the result of a huge moral and belief system shift in our country. If you have an evolutionist world view, you're not going to value the rights of humans over animals and this is the end result. My kids in public school are even exposed to "wolf friendly" curriculum that I have to refute.

You might find this website and video extremely interesting and enlightening. http://www.lobowatch.com/
Looks like we are in for a long battle...
 

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