MDF Bakersfield- VERY Disappointing

Livetahunt

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First of all, not enough food to go around,some didn't get to eat at all. Auctioneer forgot to keep his eye on all his bidders and some guys got left out. Only seven guns on the main table to draw tickets to win.When it came time for the Wyoming Governor's Tag,the tag was drawn from something we could not see.The guy says if the winner is not here we will call him on the phone.The second he calls the guys name he goes for his phone, which was on his belt,not waiting to see if anyone in the crowd would stand up.(none did)The guy that won the tag was from Exter and so was the guy who pulled the ticket out. So what do you guys think???? Everybody thinks it was obvious that there was a winner before this function got started.
 
IS IT TRUE Tony???

I HOPE ITS NOT???

THE ONLY bobcat TAKING TURNS ON DIFFERENT YEARS TO HIT DIFFERENT BANQUETS,I NEED TO KNOW MORE ON THIS PLEASE???
 
I voiced my opinion last year about the Ogden MDF banquet on the MM board. Tony talked about Elk the entire time and I personally felt is was a weak banquet. Nothing against MDF, I'm still a member, just very disappointed. I don't think I will go again until I hear they make them better. Personally, SFW has the best banquets. The BOC banquet in Logan is cool too.
 
ONE MORE THING!!!

I WAS AT A BANQUET LAST YEAR!!!

NOT THE MDF!!!

AND THEY TOLD THE CATERER'S ABOUT HOW MUCH FOOD TO PREPARE!!!

THEY JUST KEPT LETTING PEOLPE IN THE DOOR!!!

THE PLACE WAS JAM PACKED!!!

WELL THEY RAN OUT OF FOOD!!!

SOME OF THE GUYS & GALS THAT HAD PAID IN ADVANCE DIDN'T GET THEIR FOOD & BOY WERE THEY HOT!!!

I GOT TO SEE THE LAST PIECE OF PRIME RIB THAT WAS SERVED THAT NIGHT!!!

IT LOOKED LIKE ONE OF THEM SEE THROUGH PIECES OF LUNCH MEAT & TO TOP IT OFF THE OLE BOY DIDN'T GET A BAKED POTATOE!!!

BOY WAS HE PI$$ED!!!

FURTHER MORE!!!

I THOUGHT YOU HAD TO BE PRESENT TO WIN???

MAYBE THE RULES ARE CHANGING???

THE ONLY bobcat!!!
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-04-07 AT 08:11PM (MST)[p]That sucks, especially if they rigged it. But I dont think this should be an opportunity to start bashing the MDF again. I have been to several MDF banquets and they have been awesome. It is not the fault of the MDF as a whole, but individual committees and to some part, the regional and state directors. Although the crew we have here in Montana is awesome. Our local banquet was actually this weekend and it was off the hook, tons of fun, food was good (cuz we all know how banquet food can be)and the DEER made a ton of money. If you go to a banquet, and I mean any of them (elk,turkey,duck ect....) you dont go to feed your face, you should be going to support whatever animal the banquet is for. Same goes for winning something, believe me it is a horrible way to gamble, I know that Im down thousands, but I also know where, why and what for I spent my money, and thats why I went in the first place, I got closets full of useless gear, I like giving it back to the stuff Im killing once in awhile.
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$$$$$$$$$$ talks and Bull **** walks, the little guy can never expect to get a fair shake as long as there's money to influence the out come....period!
 
I was at the dinner and had a good time. Also won a gun, so that helped. I don't like it when guys working the banquet are drinking too much. It happens at alot of them though. Sketchy things sometimes seem to happen. I wasn't paying that much attention on the Wyoming tag draw, but I did see the tupperwear type container that they drew out of. I would hate to think that it was a rigged deal. I think the chapter did an ok job for their first dinner.

Don P.
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-05-07 AT 04:45PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Mar-05-07 AT 04:41?PM (MST)

> First of all, not enough
>food to go around,some didn't
>get to eat at all.

There was enough food for everyone. We had 132 bodies in that room I ordered 135 plates of a Prime rib dinner. I have had more then enough people tell me the food was GREAT!!!

>Auctioneer forgot to keep his
>eye on all his bidders
>and some guys got left
>out.

I will agree with you on this one but the auctioneer is only as good as the guys helping him to find bidders. This was the first time this team had every worked an event togather. For those that got left out I tried to work things out to the best of my ability. Example two people bid at the same time on a print one was not seen the person that got left out. The committee and I went to and offered him the same print and the tickets to the Auction Game Gun. He aggreed filled out the paper work to get the second copy of the print. Then at the end of the night never came to pay his bill.

Only seven guns on
>the main table to draw
>tickets to win.

I had 12 guns in the general raffle of which one was taken from the table by the winner of the pick of the Herd Games. We also had a Kimber Montana in the Auction Game and a $2500 300 Ultra Mag in the $500 progessive

When it came
>time for the Wyoming Governor's
>Tag,the tag was drawn from
>something we could not see.

This tag was drawn on the main stage infront of the entire crowd from a clear plexie glass locked tumble by Amy, one of the Ticket girls for the night.
The tumble was behind the bank all night since the last of the 150 tickets were sold out by one of the attendees of the dinner buying the last 8 tickets around 6pm.

The
>guy says if the winner
>is not here we will
>call him on the phone.The
>second he calls the guys
>name he goes for his
>phone, which was on his
>belt,not waiting to see if
>anyone in the crowd would
>stand up.(none did)The guy that
>won the tag was from
>Exter and so was the
>guy who pulled the ticket
>out. So what do you
>guys think????

There were 32 tickets sold in Fresno County, 5 tickets sold in Tulare county, 5 tickets sold to people in states as far east as South Dakota. that leaves 108 tickets sold in Kern County. Just like anything else it only takes one ticket to win this person only bought 3 tickets. Like I said before it was drawn in front of the entire crowd by Amy. It just so happend that the RD was the one who sold the ticket to the winner and just like any of us that sold to friends he had his number on his cell phone that's how he knew he was not attending our dinner.

Everybody thinks it
>was obvious that there was
>a winner before this function
>got started.

Im very sorry you were unhappy with the dinner. You are one of only a small crowd that I have heard was unhappy from the people I talked with. I was The Chairman for this dinner. I was one of those that did not get to eat and as to the best of my knowledge only committee members were the only people that did not get to eat. I tried to make our dinner the best I could, I gave you 1 in 5 odds of winning something for the night and 1 in 9 of winning a gun from the night. Minus the committee, servers, Tickets girls & Bar tenders we had 124 paid attendees. The dinner went so smoothe we finished by 9pm. Again Im very sorry you had a disapointing time at our dinner. I will refund your Membership fee ($35) out of my own pocket if you want, so that you do not have to be a member of the Mule Deer Foundation since you were so unhappy with the dinner.

In the future I wish you or anyone else would express thier concerns with the Chairmans of these types of events instead of public forums hurting the groups that are only trying give you a fun event and put your money towards saving and improving the very habitat you enjoy hunting so much.


Jeff Kenney
Chairman Kern River Chapter
Mule Deer Foundation
[email protected]
 
Jeff,

Thanks for the response. ANYONE who pulls a ticket like that then calls the winner on a cell phone thats already in his phone should be SLAPPED. That was the stupidest thing he could have done. No doubt MDF knows that..


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Later, Brandon
 
I have been chairman for a conservation group that has three events each year. The smallest attendance is 45 at one event, and up to 400 at the largest event. It is more work than most people realize.

Before someone makes bold statements such as "EVERYBOODY thinks it was rigged....." or some similar, they should stop and think about how much time volunteers put into these events. I doubt EVERYBODY feels the way you do, but maybe you talked to every attendee.

I attend all the conservation events I can, hoping to improve our events and paying some money to help other organizations. Some are very well organized and some could use some more help. Regardless of how well run the event is, the events are pulled off because of a large amount of sweat and effort coming from the volunteers.

As much as some people give their money, and may do so very generously, volunteers give something more important - Their time.

So before you start bashing any volunteers to banquets, habitat projects, or other conservation activities, think about what they are doing for wildlife and conservation. These guys are in the ring trying to make a difference, are you? Even if it is not perfect, they need to be shown appreciation for their efforts.

Happy Hunting!

"Hunt when you can - You're gonna' run out of health before you run out of money!"
 
No matter what, it had the appearance of wrongdoing that alone will cause people to have second thoughts about joining or getting evolved with the MDF

And please don't say that those things can't happen they do?
 
Manny-You say that as if you are gloating, what gives. We all know that an entity like the MDF is not perfect, but in the end deer are benefiting, maybe not as effectively as they could be, but good things are coming from the MDF. So do you personally have a better plan, and if so, why not act on it? Just curious.
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One of those wyoming governor tag tickets in that basket had my name on it and I feel confident that the draw wasn't rigged. I don't believe rigged drawings are possible at those events. Too many good people involved.

JB
 
I would of came to it, if it wasn't for the CALIFORNIA HIGH SCHOOL STATE WRESTLING MEET,That was held in Bakersfield this last weekend, I guess I had just about as much fun.
 
Gloating? no just my suspicious nature, and I have seen it before with people in control, probably not likely but not impossible...
 
Ya know I have been involved with a sporting/hunting organization fundraiser for 20 years. In that time I bet I have heard every complaint possible. Examples of complaints are: the food wasn't good enough, there wasn't enough food, there was too much food, there weren't enough prizes, I didn't win anything, it lasted too long, somebody got too drunk, the bar closed before I got drunk, the committee members and their families shouldn't be allowed to participate, I didn't get enough of a fuss made over me when I donated, an auction spotter looked at me too many times, an auction spotter missed my bid. I could go on and on. Hell I have seen silent auction items stolen, wine stolen, food stolen, hats stolen, money stolen. The one thing I have damn seldom ever seen is for someone to walk up to me, or one of the other shmucks who donates countless hours of time, and say "thanks, I appreciate what you do". In 20 years I bet it hasn't happened more than three or four times.

I doubt seriously that the drawing you speak of was rigged. I also think you show damn little class getting on a forum and spreading this kind of rumor. Why don't you try donating some time you are never thanked for. It's get pretty old.

Sorry, our fundraiser is Saturday night and I'm already so sick of it I could puke.
 
I personally volunteer and realize alot goes into banquets/fundraisers. My only point would be that they are getting very competitive. I know alot of buddies that can only afford to attend one per year. Think of all of the options they have! From SFW, RMEF, MDF, DU, NWTF, BOC (Logan, UT) and the list goes on and on... The guys I know are happy to lay down money for a good cause and conservation. To me, $100 out of them is more impressive considering their paycheck than a high roller buying a corporate table. Kind of like your 4 yr old son buying you a $1 christmas present. They aren't looking for the moon or stars, but they do want to have a good time and experience. Point is, they are competitive and with that, people often expect alot. With high expectations and choices, people should tend to choose the best experience and bang for their conservation buck!
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-05-07 AT 09:54PM (MST)[p]>I personally volunteer and realize alot
>goes into banquets/fundraisers. My
>only point would be that
>they are getting very competitive.
> I know alot of
>buddies that can only afford
>to attend one per year.
> Think of all of
>the options they have!
>From SFW, RMEF, MDF, DU,
>NWTF, BOC (Logan, UT) and
>the list goes on and
>on... The guys I
>know are happy to lay
>down money for a good
>cause and conservation. To
>me, $100 out of them
>is more impressive considering their
>paycheck than a high roller
>buying a corporate table.
>Kind of like your 4
>yr old son buying you
>a $1 christmas present.
>They aren't looking for the
>moon or stars, but they
>do want to have a
>good time and experience.
>Point is, they are competitive
>and with that, people often
>expect alot. With high
>expectations and choices, people should
>tend to choose the best
>experience and bang for their
>conservation buck!


good point which tends to prove mine, the average Joe has little to none on their side, should go to show these people who are in charge of these events (tags) should take note and do all they can to provide a good service not to mention make sure everyone gets a FAIR shot, not cater to the people with $$,$$$$.$$...nuf said for me...
 
>
>good point which tends to prove
>mine, the average Joe has
>little to none on their
>side, should go to show
>these people who are in
>charge of these events (tags)
>should take note and do
>all they can to provide
>a good service not to
>mention make sure everyone get
>a FAIR shot...nuf said for
>me...


What? OK, Manny, I am a regular Joe too. I bet I make no more money than most of the guys at our fundraiser. I don't get paid to work my ass off for it. I bet the volunteers there spend as much as anyone else buying stuff. Why the hell do the volunteers "owe" anyone there a damn thing? "good service" and fairness should go without saying. To say I owe anything to anyone who is just there holding a ticket is BS. I believe all those people in attendance at a fundraiser owe the volunteers a big thank you, not the other way around.
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-05-07 AT 10:12PM (MST)[p]... Some time ago I was involved with a similar organization, in which I donated two guided hunts each year, so I think I know some what of which I speak, if you can't understand why I said what I said then refer to my last statement...

nuf said for me...
 
I think I know you. Is your name Phil Ron Larry Dave Sam Wayne Bob Mark Eugene Gary Darrel Mike Paul Jim Ralph John Stan Bill Dan JoeBob Hunter? Believe me, I understand what you said. I've heard it a hundred times.
 
I worked for Ducks Unlimited for many years, almost 20 years as a volunteer on various committees and volunteer leadership roles and 11 years on Staff with Ducks Unlimited Inc. One of the hardest things to teach the volunteer leaders of the various Banquet Committees is that you can't thank the people enough who give of their time, effort, donations and money. Yet, time after time they will forget to do it the night of the event or in followup letters of appreciation.
It is the best way to lose support I know of, yet they frequently fail do do it! Then they wonder why it is difficult to get people to serve on Banquet Committees.
Many of us love the wildlife so much we just keep on helping and donating. But everyone likes to hear a sincere THANKYOU.

TM
 
Trophymossback!!!

I'M GONNA GIVE YOU A BIG THANKS!!!

BUT ITS FOR THE POST YOU MADE DOWN ON THE CAMPFIRE!!!

YOU FEEL BETTER NOW???

THE ONLY bobcat!!!
 
Hey All,

Not everyone can win, That's just how it is. If you cannot go to the dinner to support whatever is being represented, hang with your buddies and have a good time you should probably stay home.
If not winning something makes your contribution null and incomplete I am sure all will agree the contribution is no good in the first place.
Bottom line is these events need to make some profit. All of these organizations (local chapters)report to the main office if you come up short you end up like Ducks Unlimited no banquets because the gross to net wasn't good enough.
All of these events are none profit and are planned and run by volunteers, and yes it takes alot of time and some guessing. Sometimes it may come up short of your expectations, but I am a volunteer and can garuantee you the organizers did the best they could and there is never any intent to short anyone.
Over the years I have been to great dinners and I have been to bad dinners, but I always enyoy the company and know win or lose it is for a cause.
Lastly any of you who say I will wait until they turn it around then go. It will never get better if no one goes.
Good luck and keep going it is for the animals right!!
Bowguy

Don't shoot til your ready!
 
BOBCAT...You are welcome and thank you for all the great Posts!

BOWGUY...You are right, the wildlife is the real reason we go, winning something is a bonus!

I WANT TO GIVE A SINCERE THANKYOU TO ALL THAT SUPPORT OUR CONSERVATION ORGANIZATIONS

TM
 

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