Hunters screwed again by game agency!

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gemstatejake

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Looks like nevada is gonna cut opportunity in half for many mule deer hunts this fall. Turn one hunt into to by chopping the season dates in half. I wonder if they'll accept half payment on application fees????? Sportsman get screwed like no other group in this country. ##### like this will eventually destroy our hunting heritage, Death by one thousand cuts.
 
Jake:

Maybe I am living in a deep hole, under a big rock, but my understanding was that hunters liked this idea and asked the NDOW to expand the concept.

By making it two seasons, they think they will be increasing opportunity, which I tend to agree with. They can issue more tags in the earlier seasons, with less impact on the mature buck population.

Not sure how more tags will result in less opportunity, but maybe you can provide explanation. To me, two seasons with more total tags equals greater opportunity, not less, as you have stated.

Until I hear otherwise, I am inclined to support the idea, and willingly pay full price to NV for the great job they are doing with a very limited resource due to the habitat constraints they must operate under.

Happy Hunting!

"Hunt when you can - You're gonna' run out of health before you run out of money!"
 
You two NV res cant figure out how cutting your hunting time in half limits your oppurtunity????????? I guess you do live under a pretty big rock. NDOW has most NV residents brainwashed. How often do residents draw a deer tag in their home state?? guys i spoke with last season claimed every three or four years. Now it looks like several hunts will only give you a few days to hunt on that tag you waited for. Hey, It's your state, I'm not gonna tell you how to run it, But to me your all getting hosed along with the non-res guys who blow money on that POS application system ( of which i'm one)

BTW- the area i hunted last year had no shortage of deer or mature bucks. Also-MORE TAGS FOR LESS TIME = MORE MONEY FOR NDOW. who is benefitting????? congratulations.....
 
Plain english, Would you rather have a month or two weeks to hunt on a tag you waited a few years for?????? you want to give out more tags, be my guest, deer numbers will support it. but why screw hunters out of half their time to pursue them?
 
I think splitting the season from early hunt to a late hunt is one of ndows most stupid moves.
 
>You two NV res cant figure
>out how cutting your hunting
>time in half limits your
>oppurtunity????????? I guess you do
>live under a pretty big
>rock. NDOW has most NV
>residents brainwashed. How often do
>residents draw a deer tag
>in their home state?? guys
>i spoke with last season
> claimed every three or
>four years. Now it looks
>like several hunts will only
>give you a few days
>to hunt on that tag
>you waited for. Hey,
>It's your state, I'm not
>gonna tell you how to
>run it, But to me
>your all getting hosed along
>with the non-res guys who
>blow money on that POS
>application system ( of which
>i'm one)
>
>BTW- the area i hunted last
>year had no shortage of
>deer or mature bucks. Also-MORE
>TAGS FOR LESS TIME =
>MORE MONEY FOR NDOW. who
>is benefitting????? congratulations.....


It seems like a good idea to me, start managing now before real limitation are imposed due to shortage of mature bucks, I'm applying for the early myself, you just gotta hunt a little harder that's all...
 
Nevada was positively slaughtered last year by wildfires. Esp. area 6/7. It has affected winter ranges immensely. Area 10 has had late hunts for quite a few years now. Give it a chance to work...or not.
 
Jake:

From under my rock, I think most hunters would rather get to hunt twice as often, even if it is only a two week season, rather than half as often for a three or four week season.

You state how long it takes for people to draw, which should improve with more tags available. I would call that increased hunter opportunity.

But after all, I am brainwashed by NDOW.

Oh, by the way, contrary to your assumption, I am a non-resident. I previously lived in NV and have hunted it as a NR for the last seventeen years, when a tag was drawn.

I guess your logic is that hunting less often, but for more days results in more hunter opportunity. Your opinion, and you are entitled to it.

Would be interested to see how many other hunters agree/disagree with that opinion. Maybe I am in the minority of how hunter opportunity is defined.

You may feel that more tag numbers over longer seasons, rather than shorter seasons, could be supported biologically. Evidently the guys at NDOW, who have brainwashed some of us, don't think so. For the time being, I will go with their recommendations.

Happy Hunting!

"Hunt when you can - You're gonna' run out of health before you run out of money!"
 
I never voted on anything like this! Wonder what sportsman group enticed them into doing it? Seems like a way to make more money? Once out every 3-4 years is about correct in drawing a deer tag. With all the new residents moving in, that will also change in the near future. Well, what can we do?
 
I actually like the idea of more split seasons across the state.

I have heard people say it is just a way for NDOW to make more money. Well, people want tags, and tags cost money, so NDOW is going to make more money on those tags! Pretty simple concept.

Right now, habitat conditions are HORRIBLE. I was in area 6 this winter going north to Wildhorse, deer can't eat dead sagebrush and expect to survive. Habitat conditions just will not improve over night. It takes 10-20 years or more of no fires for a burned area to recover completely, and some areas are burning again every three years. We may never see sagebrush in parts of area 6 in out lifetime! Deer can't survive on burning cheatgrass either. Urban sprawl, everyone competing for the same areas deer need to survive, no lion hunting in California having an effect on the deer populations on that side of the state. It is all a loose-loose situation for Nevada's deer IMO.

Don't like that, then quit whining, get out, help with habitat projects, go to CAB meetings, show your support and willingness to help the herds rather than complain about what other people have done to the herds.

Almost all western states have short (some as short as 5 day) seasons. The way everything is set up now, it will allow about 10-20% jump in tags, with the current deer population, and not a significant amount more buck harvest.

I also like the way the season structure was set up. This will help equal out the pressure. I don't know of many people who don't have vacation available to them to take during hunting season. It seems people will get off of work for a lot of things, but hunting is strictly limited to their days off. I know there are people who can't get more time off, as that is not available to them, and I truely feel for them, that must suck.

NDOW has to do something. We are loosing more hunters than we are gaining, and that is not good for our sport. 30,000 people applied for rifle deer tags last year, out of 2 million people in the state that probably can. That is a very small number. WE have to come up with some way to boost interest, and opportunity, and I think how the regs are this year is at least some attempt at that.

Later,

Marcial
 
Oh, and by the way. I just spoke with the area 10 biologist on Wednesday. He told me that the area 10 deer experienced a 22% winter fawn mortality!
 
Jake,

I have mixed emotions about the split seasons but I don't see how it is lost opportunity. Opportunity as I see it is not the same as success rate. Opportunity to me, as I understood your first post, is the number of hunters in the field which equates to how often one draws a tag. I don't think NDOW publishes it any more but at one time hunter effort was a statistic I watched regularly. Most areas were under four days per hunter. For antelope I know it was under 2 days. I like a long season myself so I can have more chances to work in a hunt but again that is personal preference and not opportunity. What you describe in your second post is exactly the opposite of ?lost opportunity?. And the statement ?Also-MORE TAGS FOR LESS TIME = MORE MONEY FOR NDOW. who is benefitting????? congratulations.....? is so typical. Yes it would be more money for NDOW if more tags are sold. Who benefits? Uh let's see. They work for me to make more hunting opportunities for me. Then I guess I benefit. Since you and people with that complaint must work for free rather than for wages I guess you can't understand how it takes money to operate a business or a game department. I don't work for free and neither does my business so I don't expect them to either.

Mevertson and BigFin, excellent posts.

Mickeyelk, Do you attend your County Advisory Board meetings or Wildlife Commission meetings? You should. Also there is a committee working right now on taking any and all ideas for how sportsmen would like big game seasons, tag allocations, drawings etc to be. They are then going to consider them all and see what is practical and workable and will come back to the commission with proposals. If you have any ideas here is your chance to put them out there and be part of that ?sportsman group that entices? them into something. Go to the NDOW webpage and get an email address for Comissioner Jeffress and send him your ideas. Believe me he wants to hear them.


I think I'll crawl back under my rock. My brain is dirty and I need to wash it.
 
I like the idea of split seasons, the last time I checked, no one is accusing Colorado of taking opportunity away from hunters by providing an early, second, third, and in some areas a fourth season (not counting archery and muzzleloader)! Who ever hunted for the entire season anyway? I have relative who live in Elko and hunt regularly (every 2-3 years) and they don't even hunt the entire season. I think that the idea is a good one and it will definitely improve opportunity in NV. I am a non-resident and I hunt NV when I can get a tag, but by creating an early and late season I think they'll be spreading out the amount of applications between two hunts now, not just one.

And as far as blaming NDOW for wanting to sell more licenses and tags?? Of course they would love to do this. They're looking at a flatline or decreasing budget and hunting licenses/tags are a major source of revenue.

As long as it doesn't begin to depress deer numbers or quality I say go for it.

To me, it's simple math, two is much better than one.

~Ham
 
NVBIGHORN aka Bucky
Make sure thats all you wash.jk If theres
anything that i hate its those pesky "sportsman groups"
 
SS, as dirty as my mind is it will keep me busy just washing it.

How's our new secretary? We didn't run her off did we?
 
"Plain english, Would you rather have a month or two weeks to hunt on a tag you waited a few years for?????? "

How long of a season do you need? AZ, and CO have seasons that run less than 2 weeks for their general MD hunts. Going from a month to two weeks just means you need to work a bit harder. Nothing wrong with that. When you start complaining about going from a month to two weeks, you become greedy.





It's Bush's fault!!!
 
Just spend more days scouting just before the season. You won't need as much time for the actual hunt.
 
i don't know anything about anything, but if you guys in nevada will get more tags in exchange for 2 2 week seasons, that doesn't sound like a bad deal at all. sounds like more oportunity to me. how long do you need?
 
Just like i said, Brainwashed. I guess if all you want for your long sought after tag is a forked horn or at best, smallish 4 pt, all your gonna need is a few days. plenty of guys out their who will be happy as a pig in ##### with that. I thought with a name like "Monster Muleys" most guys who visited this site would be slightly more hardcore than that.
I'll tell you what, I draw a tag in a controlled unit and I'm ALL OVER IT! I dont ##### around with a weekend here or a weekend there. I'd quit my ##### job if they wanted to give me ##### over it. Quite often, Even in the best units, getting a crack at a good buck equates to TIME! You need A deer SEASON not just a few days. I spent 16 days of HUNTING TIME in my NV area last year. Chopping seasons in Half robs hunters of oppurtunity end of freaking story. I can't reason with someone who would claim otherwise.
If there is some biological need to reduce tags, I can certainly understand that. But my understanding is that tag numbers are going to increase in these areas. WTF???? how is that protecting the resource????? It's incredible to me to see the willingness to allow your hunting rights be whittled away, and just stand there and accept because you think it's somehow protecting the resource. Someday your gonna turn around and realize, that attitude has more or less eliminated you from pursuing the sport you love.

BTW-I'll let the "just hunt harder" comments slide since most of you dont know me and i dont want to come off as a braggart. Let's just say when it comes to big game, and particularly mule deer hunting, I give it my all.
 
MORE TAGS FOR LESS TIME is negative on two fronts. Quantity and quality. Quantity as in more bubbas in the field you'll have to compete with. Quality as in quality of hunt will be degraded. But like I said, it's your state, you do what you want. Next time the NDOW gives you some rope, try not to hang yourselves with it.
 
OH MY.

"BTW-I'll let the "just hunt harder" comments slide since most of you dont know me and i dont want to come off as a braggart. Let's just say when it comes to big game, and particularly mule deer hunting, I give it my all."

Boy Jake, I am really impressed. - NOT!


"I thought with a name like "Monster Muleys" most guys who visited this site would be slightly more hardcore than that."

In unison, all of us Midget Muley guys will bow down to the great Jake, King of the Monster Muley.


"Next time the NDOW gives you some rope, try not to hang yourselves with it."

Next time you open your mouth, try not to impress us wanna be's with your supreme talents and sophisticated logic. - It is not working.


BTW, I'm still not convinced that this is less hunter opportunity.

Happy Hunting!


"Hunt when you can - You're gonna' run out of health before you run out of money!"
 
I hesitated to get into this cat fight because my cat isn't in it- I don't apply to nv because it's not cost efective ( in english I'm too cheap) be careful what you wish for , you may get it, here in Co we sell tons of tags for 5 days at a time- more cash for the dow and little time in the field for serious hunters to spend time looking for the right buck. You pass on day 2 and you may eat the tag. I go to all the meetings and piss and moan but they tell me I'm weird I actually hunt the entire season be it 5 days or 5 weeks their studies show most people actually hunt 3 days then hang out in camp or head home. They almost went with 3 day seasons based on this info. After all it would increase hunter opportunity (and by the way profits). Both sides are right in this arguement it just depends on what type of time you are willing or able to invest in your hunt. I would gladly ( and have ) quit or told them I am leaving for a couple months to hunt if they don't like it they can consider it my notice to pursue other career options. Most cannot or will not do this -there is nothing wrong with that. My non-res application money is carefully chosen to states that give a decent return on the investment. I can hunt Wy as a n-r cheaper than Co as a res. on a per day basis. I make this point at the public input meetings and they literally laugh at my points and figure out how much more money they can make by adding an extra season in between 2 existing seasons, of course they never make a mention of the money- only "hunter opportunity", like they are providing some holy public service and the $ is a non issue. Be careful what you wish for Nv you may get lots of hunter opportunity.
 
>I hesitated to get into this
>cat fight because my cat
>isn't in it- I don't
>apply to nv because it's
>not cost efective ( in
>english I'm too cheap)
>be careful what you wish
>for , you may get
>it, here in Co we
>sell tons of tags for
>5 days at a time-
>more cash for the dow
>and little time in the
>field for serious hunters to
>spend time looking for the
>right buck. You pass
>on day 2 and you
>may eat the tag.
>I go to all the
>meetings and piss and moan
>but they tell me I'm
>weird I actually hunt the
>entire season be it 5
>days or 5 weeks their
>studies show most people actually
>hunt 3 days then hang
>out in camp or head
>home. They almost went with
>3 day seasons based on
>this info. After all it
>would increase hunter opportunity (and
>by the way profits).
>Both sides are right in
>this arguement it just depends
>on what type of time
>you are willing or able
>to invest in your hunt.
>I would gladly ( and
>have ) quit or told
>them I am leaving for
>a couple months to hunt
>if they don't like it
>they can consider it my
>notice to pursue other career
>options. Most cannot or
>will not do this -there
>is nothing wrong with that.
> My non-res application
>money is carefully chosen to
>states that give a decent
>return on the investment.
>I can hunt Wy as
>a n-r cheaper than Co
>as a res. on a
>per day basis. I make
>this point at the public
>input meetings and they literally
>laugh at my points and
>figure out how much more
>money they can make by
>adding an extra season in
>between 2 existing seasons,
>of course they never make
>a mention of the money-
>only "hunter opportunity", like they
>are providing some holy public
>service and the $ is
>a non issue. Be
>careful what you wish for
>Nv you may get lots
>of hunter opportunity.


Beautifully said my friend. Squirrel gets it.

Bigfin, You wanna turn this nasty, bring it on. I'd love to talk with you face to face. You no doubt, are a proud member of the four wheeler army. You got some pics to back up your glorious hunting achievments bubba??????? Cuz I got lots. And time is what it takes. Take a look at my post from a few months back. Stole a Stud buck right out from under your NV resident nose. Think i met your brother when his jaw hit the dirt after he saw what i drug off the mountain. He had a huge four wheeler and a huge belly. I had a huge Buck. You do the math. Chief.
 
I am generally for the split seasons. Personally I'd like to see all the hunts the same dates as the juniors (Oct. 5-26). I think NDOW is trying to reduce the number of dumb rutting bucks killed at the end of the season by "bubbas". Anyone with a quad can ride the trails the first week of November and eventually pop a descent buck in many areas of NV. I think NDOW is trying to mantain the same amount of harvest, so quality should not suffer. The vast majority of hunters do not have 16 days of vacation to hunt deer in NV, and would rather get an extra tag every decade or so. In the end NDOW is going to side with the majority.
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-23-07 AT 10:16PM (MST)[p]Jake:

Now thats funny. I am laughing really hard. Really I am.

I am even more impressed now. Keep it coming. I am sure you have more to say that will impress me and any other "brainwashed" amatuers who think this NV change represents an increase in hunter opportunity.

Gee, given your amazing "hunting achievements," maybe I should ask for your autograph. Or can I buy it on E-bay?

I think you are the one who decided to get "nasty" or at least as condescending and arrogant as any post I have seen in a long time. If your statements I quoted above are not nasty/arrogant, then I am in the wrong by my jesting responses.

I am still trying to figure out how more tags is less opportunity. So, unless these are your best explanations, I will remain unconvinced that more tags are less opportunity.


Happy Hunting!


P.S. If you think my brother and I are ATV-driving (NOT) lard A$$e$, click this link and see our "nasty" cousins.

http://www.funlol.com/funpages/krispy-kreme-calendar.html


P.S.S. As I mentioned earlier, I am not a NV resident.

P.S.S.S This "bubba" has hunted for 35 years, and I have no "glorious hunting achievements," which I now regret, "Cuz I (you) got lots."

P.S.S.S.S You are probably a good guy, but I just couldn't resist harrassing you for the posts proclaiming your hunting prowess (such as above). Sorry, but the temptation was more than I could bear. BTW, a very nice buck you shot last year.


"Hunt when you can - You're gonna' run out of health before you run out of money!"
 
Yup. Guess most guys just are not serious hunters. Your right, NDOW will side with the majority. Cuz thats where the money is. Don't try to pass this move off as "protection of the resource" cuz it aint. Dollars, plain and simple.
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-23-07 AT 10:54PM (MST)[p]Jeez Jake, simmer down. Bigfin already stated he is not a Nevada resident so quit picking a fight about it. By my count there are less then half dozen Nevada residents even on this thread and not many of them have come right out and said this split season is a great deal. You are the one who said we were getting screwed out of opportunity. I repeat. Split seasons will not screw us out of opportunity to hunt. They may affect the quality of the hunt but for the average Joe the splits will not affect him because he doesn't put out that much effort anyway (I've never considered myself average. I'm really sub average in most areas except the important ones, *smile*). Obviously you do put out the effort. Good on ya. Don't presume to know how I hunt or how much I hunt. Just because I'm not bragging about it doesn't mean I don't put in my time.

I do remember your deer picture post.
http://www.monstermuleys.info/cgi-b..._thread&om=13474&forum=DCForumID6&archive=yes


And the one where you started asking for info on area 5.
http://www.monstermuleys.info/cgi-b..._thread&om=12246&forum=DCForumID6&archive=yes

Nice buck. Very nice. Good for you. You say you put in 16 days hunting. Great. The split seasons are probably 15 days long I believe (I'm too lazy to go look, besides I'd have to park my fourwheeler and put down my beer and move my beer belly-ass). So what's your point? 15 days to hunt - 16 days to hunt. It's all the same.

And who said anything about this being a move to "protect the resource"? Not NDOW. Not me. You? It's a move to increase opportunity.

By the way. I want a signed copy of your how-to-kill big bucks book when it is published. K "Chief"?
 
>LAST EDITED ON Mar-23-07
>AT 10:16?PM (MST)
>
>Jake:
>
>Now thats funny. I am
>laughing really hard. Really
>I am.
>
>I am even more impressed now.
> Keep it coming.
>I am sure you have
>more to say that will
>impress me and any other
>"brainwashed" amatuers who think this
>NV change represents an increase
>in hunter opportunity.
>
>Gee, given your amazing "hunting achievements,"
>maybe I should ask for
>your autograph. Or can
>I buy it on E-bay?
>
>
>I think you are the one
>who decided to get "nasty"
>or at least as condescending
>and arrogant as any post
>I have seen in a
>long time. If your
>statements I quoted above are
>not nasty/arrogant, then I am
>in the wrong by my
>jesting responses.
>
>I am still trying to figure
>out how more tags is
>less opportunity. So, unless
>these are your best explanations,
>I will remain unconvinced that
>more tags are less opportunity.
>
>
>
>Happy Hunting!
>
>
>P.S. If you think my
>brother and I are ATV-driving
>(NOT) lard A$$e$, click this
>link and see our "nasty"
>cousins.
>
>http://www.funlol.com/funpages/krispy-kreme-calendar.html
>
>
>P.S.S. As I mentioned earlier,
>I am not a NV
>resident.
>
>P.S.S.S This "bubba" has
>hunted for 35 years, and
>I have no "glorious hunting
>achievements," which I now regret,
>"Cuz I (you) got lots."
>
>
>P.S.S.S.S You are probably a
>good guy, but I just
>couldn't resist harrassing you for
>the posts proclaiming your hunting
>prowess (such as above).
>Sorry, but the temptation was
>more than I could bear.
> BTW, a very nice
>buck you shot last year.
>
>
>
>"Hunt when you can - You're
>gonna' run out of health
>before you run out of
>money!"


Well chief, i dont know where to begin with you. but i'll try. If in 35 years of hunting, you still cant figure out that a month long season chopped to two weeks equals loss of oppurtunity, I prolly cant help you. If you think that increasing tag numbers protects the resource/mature bucks, Still cant help you. If there is a biological need to reduce or increase tag numbers, I'm all for it. But why screw guys who want to hunt out of half of their season????? What it really boils down to, is that you and I are probably completley differnt types of hunters with completely different perspectives. Nothing wrong with that. I can tell you that i dont apply for controlled hunts with the idea i'm gonna kill the first animal with a rack i see. What NDOW is doing is not right for anyone but themselves. Hunters are getting shafted whether you see it or not. re-read Squirrels post and think about it.

P.S.- As for resisting temptation, I'd advise you to try real hard if our paths ever cross in the field. Otherwise, you may be "running out of health" a bit sooner than you expected.

P.S.S.- Thank God I live in the great Gem State.
 
>Jake:
>
>Maybe I am living in a
>deep hole, under a big
>rock, but my understanding was
>that hunters liked this idea
>and asked the NDOW to
>expand the concept.
>
>By making it two seasons, they
>think they will be increasing
>opportunity, which I tend to
>agree with. They can
>issue more tags in the
>earlier seasons, with less impact
>on the mature buck population.
>
>
>Not sure how more tags will
>result in less opportunity, but
>maybe you can provide explanation.
> To me, two seasons
>with more total tags equals
>greater opportunity, not less, as
>you have stated.
>
>Until I hear otherwise, I am
>inclined to support the idea,
>and willingly pay full price
>to NV for the great
>job they are doing with
>a very limited resource due
>to the habitat constraints they
>must operate under.
>
>Happy Hunting!
>
>"Hunt when you can - You're
>gonna' run out of health
>before you run out of
>money!"


NVBighorn- your big mouth buddy here said "They can issue more tags in earlier season, with less impact on mature bucks"
Sure thing chief! Everbody knows more tags equals less impact. what was i thinking. Also, I attempted to carry on this discussion without resorting to anything like bragging, cuz thats certainly not how i want to come off. I've been fortunate In some of my hunting outings. thats all. Again, Bigfin jumed all over that. So whatever.
 
Whatever pal. I Never wanted to brag about anything. just seems to be lots of "good guys" on this site who want to bring it out. Hunt however you want. could'nt care less. Two less bubbas i gotta compete with. re-read this thread and see where the stones were cast and by whom. You all know i'm right anyway.......
 
Jake:

I agree to disagree on our interpretation of increased hunter opportunity - the original topic of the thread.

You quote: "P.S.- As for resisting temptation, I'd advise you to try real hard if our paths ever cross in the field. Otherwise, you may be "running out of health" a bit sooner than you expected."

Now that is very funny, no matter who is reading it! I like that one. I might have to change my signature to that.

If ever you are way out in the hills and cross paths with a scrawny 140 pound guy carrying a big pack and wearing bib overalls and a John Deere cap, you will know it is me, and it will be far from the roads and ATVs. I will NOT be able to resist the temptation at good-natured humor. So, I will be prepared for whatever consequences it has on my health.

I spent the day in the Gem State. And I agree, it is pretty darn nice.

Spare yourself the frustration, and feel free to ignore any further posts I make on this topic, as I doubt you will change my mind, or that I will change yours.

Happy Hunting!

"Hunt when you can - You're gonna' run out of health before you run out of money!"
 
Other guys may ***** foot around but after reading your post I truely know you're a Dumb A$$.

I keep going back to one comment :

" I can't reason with someone who would claim otherwise."

That tells me if no one sees it your way then you don't want to talk to them. True words of a Know it all BRAGGART.

You post all this about lost hunting opportunity. HAHA, what a joke. Maybe you need to read a few words in Webster "PAL". MAybe you don't really know how to say what you mean "BUB".

It's funny how guys like you try to make a point, and even if it's a 1/2 way good one loose all comunication because one of your feet is trying to kick someone while the other ones in your Mouth.

-Moosie

People, they thin' I don't know a Buttload of Crap About the Gosple, but I do. (Nacho Libre)
 
I was heading out on my 4-wheeler sipping a Cafe Late' and my 400# BigBoy overalls and I realised the wether was 65 degrees so since I'm a fair weathered hunter I decided to roll myself back in and read more for the all knowing DipChit.

2 things Fish and game ask when they set dates and involve the public. 1 is opportunity, and the other is Quality. I was looking back at your post trying to think when you lost my intrest. I decided it was in your first line. You said :

"Looks like nevada is gonna cut opportunity in half for many mule deer hunts this fall. Turn one hunt into to by chopping the season dates in half.:

Opportunity means more hunters or more chances of hunting. Look it up CHIEF. In order for hunting to continue you need both opportunity AND quality units. Please git yer-delf sum lernin' in before posting yer Jibberis to us Non huntin' Rednecks.

Bragging ? 16 days hunting ? Please, I take Craps longer then 16 days. If you wanted to post your pictures of a lucky hunt again you should have done it, more people would have responded instead of thinking what a tard you are.

Carey on Pimp Daddy of the Big Buck 16 day hunt :) HAHA !!

-Moosie

People, they thin' I don't know a Buttload of Crap About the Gosple, but I do. (Nacho Libre)
 
Allright. I'm gonna attempt to turn this around right now. Even thogh Moosie has just upped the ante quite a bit. I Should not have started in with the Brainwash bit. thats where things began to turn a bit nasty. My bad. I am far from a braggart and dont want to come off that way. I have and opinion and will post it. I have done that and now I'm done with it. i also see your argument and understand it. I respectfully disagree. Just figured more guys would see it my way. This being a Trophy Mule deer site first and formost, or so i thought. I've made my point. If you dont like it/cant understand it, I,m sorry. I cant make it any better.

Moosie-Dont swell up too much behind that keyboard.
 
Sweel up ? Well I'llll Be. I'm the King of Flexing my Cyber muscles. Welcome to the Gun show. Usually to those that think they are the King PIN of the hunting world and piss on everyone elses idea's. You must be a Utard.

You say you're done ? Done what ?!?! You said cutting a season in 1/2 is Dumb. Then said it kills opportunities. Then said if others can't see that they are dumb. But never came out with ANY biological data, no Harvest Research, no Links to Articles to support, and not even a Youtube video, which is were you sound like you get your Idea's from.

Puffing out my chest ? I was going to but it looks like the room is already full. Go back and read your post "PAL", and see where the issue started. It's PEBCAC at your end.

"Just figured more guys would see it my way."

Figured ???? Figured wrong I guess, just like you figured wrong cutting a season will limit Opportunities. We understood what you posted, Like we understand some men are homose{}uals. We just know both to be wrong and you to be both.....

You must be new around these parts. Next time you walk into the Saloon try taking off yer hat and kicking the mud off your boots intead of Spewing it out yer mouth ...SON !!

-Moosie

People, they thin' I don't know a Buttload of Crap About the Gosple, but I do. (Nacho Libre)
 
respond to it if you got a pair. the computer screen mouth off session is over.
 
If you kill me, you might loose all your Hunting chances in not only Nevada but in the state we both live in. I'm just thinking out loud here. :) I also drew some good out of state tags and would like to take those opportunities too, so even though I just live down the road if you could wait until I find out if I draw Nevada I would be much greatfull.

I would like to know though, All PM life threats aside....., why is the Split seasons bad ? I know you don't want to talk about it any more but I'm still wondering.

-Small Straight
 
Moosie,dude you sound like a game hog,you have all these tags and you still have a chip on your shoulder?
 
BBgun, Actually I don't have a Chip. (Not sure exactly what a game hog is but I'm guessing it's not good?) As a "new" poster (1st post and it's this one to me), I'm guessing you have missed my humor in Prior posts. I don't come here much and now I remember why. People get bent over others not thinking the way they do. Sad thing is Mods also nuke posts fast too.

Riddle me this, Did GSJ not tell people they were not "trophy Mule deer Hunters" because they didn't believe what he said ? Some here would take more offence to that then being called a **** like I was called. Didn't other people call him out just for him to post that they don't get it ? Hopefully someone wouldn't carry around anger for a post made on the internet but trust me I would say the same in person as I do on the forums. Unfortunately maybe someday it'll happen. Sad thing is some people if you don't agree with them you get yer ass Whooped :)

I don't have a "chip". I figured after he threatened me I would go read his other posts. He killed a Far better buck then I ever have even seen. I gave him the Kudos he deserves for that. I do, however, not understand why cutting a season in half limits opportunities. I would love to know. I'm not changing that question. ALL BSing aside, which I never do, I would truely like to know. Maybe you can explain it to me ? I said I'm interested.

I'm not above learning something. But usually people post facts and info when they are so Adimate about something. He didn't post anything. Actually he was pretty rude and Show-offish in my reading so I posted back a Smart arch responce and continued to do so. They won't stop even if I get a Visit like he said.

That aside, I'm not above learning. I would hope that someone would go out of their way and put that kind of effort into Platting Winter habitat which Fish and Game is doing right now or Fawn Callaring or something more benificial but thats jsut me thinking again. I PMed that to him. If thats a "Chip" call it a Dorito.

When someone has a "chip" they think they are better then others. Thats what I posted I don't like seeing. Thats why I responded that way.

PS, (Whispers)I don't have out of state Great tags, I was kidding, I'm remembering I can't and shouldn't do that any more. I'll be hunting Local forked horns again this year but I sure won't be mad about it, I love hunting.

Last comment before I go to bed.

Funny story (Well now it is). There was a guy a few years ago, he posted that he didn't draw a tag. He went on and on about not being fair, Yaddy yaddy. Personally, I didn't draw 18 tags I put in either that year either, thats how it goes, we move on. Also being frustrated I said "Quit yer Sniviling". I was Emailed, my Home address was posted on this site, threatened and the Guy even called my house and left a Message for my wife to hear. He was in the same town like Gemstate was..... I was thinking, MAN, some people. We wrote back and forth a few times and straightened it out. He said he was mad he didn't draw and SNAPPED. I see guys fighting all the time on the hunting boards but most can log off and leave it there. Some can't.

I probably should have learned how mad some people get. Today reminded me. How sad.....

-Moosie

People, they thin' I don't know a Buttload of Crap About the Gosple, but I do. (Nacho Libre)
 
I dont know. ask bigFin. Look guys, this thread has become something i did'nt intend. I thought more guys on a hardcore MuleDeer site would see this particular issue in my way. More tags for less time, in my view, is a step in the wrong direction. more hunters in the field reduces quality of hunt. And by my reasoning, less time for you personally in a single season, reduces oppurtunity. I see and understand what the differing viewpoint is, I just disagree thats all. The barbs tossed around on this thread were all relatively harmless and in jest till Moosie dropped his Bombs. Anyone who calls me a homosexual, a retard, and a dumbass, among other things is gonna hear from me period. And i guarantee he would not have come close to those insults if we were face to face. All i told him to do was call me. When he did'nt, I told him I'd be calling him which I will. I'm not a psycho, I dont want to fight. I'm just a guy who loves to hunt maybe a little too much and gets angry when government agency's start jacking around and restricting our hunting rights. So you could say I'm pretty much pissed all the time! Ha, Ha!
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-24-07 AT 09:32AM (MST)[p]Since I am a new guy I will just keep this practical, In my opinion, anyone that threatens anyone over or thru the internet is a fool... I mean how do you know whether a guy is a wimp or the baddest man on the planet? unless you have seen the guy in a picture to at least size him up... then you would have to be a lunatic to threaten him and even if you think you can take him, you could be wrong ! again words are just that words... lets just be men and take it like one

Unless someone is talking crap about your kids,wife,family "no class".. then just exchange barbs and move on.
 
Guess that is my point. We all like to hunt and fish and sling crap at each other but unless you have spent hard time and been beat down as hard as you can be without dyin then you need to be careful threatening other men. That said I am just about sure Jake could whip on Moosie. I am sure glad I drew bull elk and antelope this year so I can get out some aggression. Good luck to all on your short hunts.
 
I am a proud native to Nevada. Normally I do not post on this site, but enjoy the photos and perspectives given by different hunters. But, after reading through all of these and being that it is about my home, I thought I would give my input. So, here it goes.

I think a lot of people have been missing some of the points that people are attempting to make. It started out with this whole opportunity deal (which is what it is about) but not really addressing the point and now it is just bashing one another and this does not make much sense either.

My favorite method of hunting is archery, but I will hunt with anything so I can get in the field. I am a supporter of this split season, if it is done right. My understanding of it is that it will be a split of 85% and 15% tags between the early and late or something similar to that. I think that is good, giving the more ?recreation? (as I heard somewhere the other day) a chance to hunt the early season and the trophy hunters a chance to hunt in the late, with reduced number of hunters, and better timing. This makes sense to me and I support it.

I have been living in Utah the last couple years going to school for wildlife management. For those of you that do not know where Utah State University is, it is in Logan which is 20 miles from Idaho and about 2 hours from Nevada and 2 hours from Wyoming. I have been fortunate enough to hunt all of these states the last couple years and see the effects of different management. From what I know some management works and some does not, and it is often site or state specific.

My fear of this split season is that it will turn into something like the Ely elk hunt where it was split to reduce the hunting pressure, but within 2 years the same number of tags were being giving in each season.

My hope is that this split season is similar to a lot of Idaho?s draw hunts. They will give all of the tags in the October hunt and then give 10 in the late November hunt. Most areas can support 10 tags in the rut, it is not going to hurt the population and it will give the trophy hunters a chance to kill a big buck. This kind of structure would benefit Nevada in my opinion.

Now to defend Jake a little. If Nevada does take this approach, then the split in season dates may not be appropriate. Fifteen days for the majority of the hunters might not be adequate for allowing hunters to spread themselves out. For those of us that have hunted 10 early in Nevada, it can definitely be a cluster. For those of us that have hunted Utah?s 9 day hunt, cluster does not begin to describe it. In Idaho, the early hunts are almost the entire month of October and the late hunts are in to the middle of November, during the prime rut. I would prefer Idaho?s structure on this split season. With equal number of days in the split seasons I see NDOW increasing tags like the Ely elk hunt within a couple of years.

This is just my thought on the whole deal.
 
AWWwwww looks like a Group hug is in order, Maybe the beer has worn off *wink*

"More tags for less time, in my view, is a step in the wrong direction."

That, is a correct statement. Future opportunities for big bucks might be in order. But more tags actually give more opportunity to guys that really hunt, guys that leave the road, guys that don't mind sleeping in a bivi sack when it's -12 deg. I will say I understand how you are bummed about your unit.

Gemstate, Thanx for the call. I was banking you were a good guy and sounds like you are. I wasn't afraid you were coming to get me... I was more afraid youd come over when I wasn't here and you'd come face to fae with my wife. She'd whoop the Snot out of yah !!! I'm still going to disagree with you on stuff, but you're an Alright cat :)

"That said I am just about sure Jake could whip on Moosie. "

GlenAZ, you might be right, but maybe not, dependson the time of the year ;) I'll let him Size me up and then he can decide.

First, this is Me with my "GAME" face :

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Next, After I get done Whoopin some Trash I like to relax :

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Then, I'll show off a bit with the Water pistols :

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But remember, it's not me you'd have to worry about, It's IDBugler that I hunt with. You never know when we're hanging out together :

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Carry on............










-Moosie

People, they thin' I don't know a Buttload of Crap About the Gosple, but I do. (Nacho Libre)
 
"Anyone who calls me a homosexual, a retard, and a dumbass, among other things is gonna hear from me period. And i guarantee he would not have come close to those insults if we were face to face."

What a joke, I love it when people think they are tougher than anyone and everyone they haven't met. Threatening someones life on the internet is about as dumb as it gets.

Check some record books "pal" "chief", "bubba." It seems to me that more big deer come out of states that have less than month long seasons. Maybe I'm wrong, but thats what I've seen. So if you need an entire month to get the job done, then maybe you should review your tactics a little. Or perhaps take up archery, then in some states you could hunt more than a month. But I guess us non-serious hunters who shoot little dinks should do as mentioned before and bow down to the almighty monster muley god you are.



It's Bush's fault!!!
 
>"Anyone who calls me a homosexual,
>a retard, and a dumbass,
>among other things is gonna
>hear from me period. And
>i guarantee he would not
>have come close to those
>insults if we were face
>to face."
>
>What a joke, I love it
>when people think they are
>tougher than anyone and everyone
>they haven't met. Threatening someones
>life on the internet is
>about as dumb as it
>gets.
>
>Check some record books "pal" "chief",
>"bubba." It seems to me
>that more big deer come
>out of states that have
>less than month long seasons.
>Maybe I'm wrong, but thats
>what I've seen. So if
>you need an entire month
>to get the job done,
>then maybe you should review
>your tactics a little. Or
>perhaps take up archery, then
>in some states you could
>hunt more than a month.
>But I guess us non-serious
>hunters who shoot little dinks
>should do as mentioned before
>and bow down to the
>almighty monster muley god you
>are.
>
>
>
>It's Bush's fault!!!


Just for the record, I never ever threatened anyone's life. Quit spewing that B.S.
I did nothing other than what i said i would so. Contact a person who threw some fairly serious insults my direction. Which is something that will happen every time. Being tough has nothing to do with it. Again, I am not a braggrt, but you might wanna take a look at my wall before you start bagging on my "tactics". We all have our own opinions regarding hunting/game management and how it should be approached. My mistake here was to not realize that. Also allowed myself to be caught up in the negativity this thread brought out. Here is hoping we can chill with the BS. I'm still willing to chat about this subject as I feel like my points are valid.
 
Right back atcha, nv sportsman. dont show up in Idaho when your state denies you a tag this season.again.
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-24-07 AT 09:41PM (MST)[p]FYI, just for the Record, My life wasn't threatened per-say. I'm not one to post PM's in the open but the jist was his phone number and he was Frothing at the mouth for me to call and a couple of swear words. He was mad, and rightfully so, I seem to have that effect on people sometimes. As mad a he got I was sure he was From Utah. Them boyz always seem uptight !!! And where ever that BFE hails from, but I don't worry about BFE either, he's married to his sister and she keeps him in well enough line. :)

-Moosie

People, they thin' I don't know a Buttload of Crap About the Gosple, but I do. (Nacho Libre)
 
Was debating to reply to the arrogance,

I gave you solid advice about unit 051 when you asked last year, because I live and work there. What I got back when I "somewhat" supported such an insignificant issue (split seasons) was that I was "Bubba" on a quad and not a serious hunter because I did not quit my job to spend 16 days in a row hunting deer in the Santa Rosa's. I guess I'd rather support my beutiful wife and kids in a nice house than quit my job over an 10-20" of antler to brag on this site. Maybe you well off and don't have to work 49 weeks a year, but thats not possible for 90% of us. I spend 2 out of the 3 weeks of my hard earned vacation hunting, Usually 1 week "Bubbaing" it by myself, and the other week actually having something called fun with my Dad or wife. If the Idaho deer season is so great, why would you even apply for NV with over the counter tags and long seasons for cheap?
 
Moosie....your a reat! :) LOL! Where'd you find that big Moose shed anyway. Haven't seen that pic before? And when the camera was put away and you threw the MRE in the bushes what were you really eatin' up there? :)
 
"MORE TAGS FOR LESS TIME is negative on two fronts"

Gem, could you tell us where you heard there are more tags?
My understanding is there are the same number of tags split into two seasons.
 
>Was debating to reply to the
>arrogance,
>
>I gave you solid advice about
>unit 051 when you asked
>last year, because I live
>and work there. What I
>got back when I "somewhat"
>supported such an insignificant issue
>(split seasons) was that I
>was "Bubba" on a quad
>and not a serious hunter
>because I did not quit
>my job to spend 16
>days in a row hunting
>deer in the Santa Rosa's.
> I guess I'd rather
>support my beutiful wife and
>kids in a nice house
>than quit my job over
>an 10-20" of antler to
>brag on this site. Maybe
>you well off and don't
>have to work 49 weeks
>a year, but thats not
>possible for 90% of us.
>I spend 2 out of
>the 3 weeks of my
>hard earned vacation hunting, Usually
>1 week "Bubbaing" it by
>myself, and the other week
>actually having something called fun
>with my Dad or wife.
> If the Idaho deer
>season is so great, why
>would you even apply for
>NV with over the counter
>tags and long seasons for
>cheap?

Cosa, none of the comments were directed towards you. I Did'nt even realize you responded to this mess till you just mentioned it. Like i said when i first posted those buck pics (which I regret now) I thank you and everyone from this site who offered advice. You ever decide to put in for a controlled hunt or just want a general tag here in Idaho, you got a resource in me if you want it. I apply for Nevada and that area in particulr, A-bacause it gets my hat in the ring for a hunt thats probably a tad better than a general hunt in Idaho. B- because it's close enough for me to scout myself and not have to rely on an outfitter/guide, etc. I can certainly relate with a Wife, mortgage, kids and all that. But when the hunts on, I'm gone. regardless. just the way I'm wired i guess.
 
FairChase-Actually, I have not heard positively if that is the case. A buddy of mine indicated it. And it seems to be the general feeling around this site that the tag numbers will increase. If the tag numbers stay close to what they were, It supports my argument about loss of opportunity even further IMO.
 
I also still dont agree that cutting a guys hunting time in half is "insignificant". It's not. especially from the perspective of guys who are searching hard for a better than average critter. A lot can happen in a month. Weather can move in, Animals can migrate, etc..... Not too mention the fact that more time in the field increases chances for a trophy to show. Stuff we all know and that i should have stressed more with the "loss of opportunity" bit.
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-25-07 AT 07:47PM (MST)[p]Not to throw gas on this fire but this is an excerpt from the 2007 Nevada Big Game Seasons and Application Regulations Booklet. From the "What's New in 2007" page.

"? Mule Deer ? new antlerless deer hunt in Area 6 units; there are now early and
late split rifle seasons for many Unit groups; resident junior deer rifle seasons
were not split (single 22-day season); some interstate deer herds have all
three weapon class hunts in December. Split seasons (16 days each) afford
many benefits including the ability to recognize and manage ?opportunity hunters?
and ?trophy hunters? who have different hunter expectations and demands.
Harvest questionnaires have shown that the average days hunted for these
seasons has only been five to six days. Unit groups with limited deer herds did
not receive split seasons."

I realize I am admittedly brainwashed (not starting anything Jake, just an admission considering my background) but it looks to me like this is an attempt to try to satisfy at least some hunters wishes. The old saying goes something like "you can't please all of the people all the time" applies here but it is an attempt. It may not satisfy your personal wishes but it is an attempt to find some middle ground between quality and quantity (spelled opportunity). Sixteen days is a long season compared to many, short compared to some. But as I tried to say in my previous post, the AVERAGE hunter only uses a fraction of his season anyway.

I will vouch for COSA. He's a damn dedicated hunter as well as dad, husband etc. He's string-bean-lean, looks to be in great shape and isn't one bit afraid to rough it (and did you see the buck his wife shot last year?).

Jake, I do appreciate and respect your passion for the hunt and passion for what you percive as necessary for your style of hunting. Just gotta be careful when you start flock shooting us other hunters. We're not all fatasses on four wheelers.
 
>FairChase-Actually, I have not heard positively
>if that is the case.
>A buddy of mine indicated
>it. And it seems to
>be the general feeling around
>this site that the tag
>numbers will increase.

That's what I thought, you don't have a clue wtf you're talking about. The tags are based on biologists recommendations which are determined by several factors like buck ratios, winter kill and fawn survival rates. 'A buddy of mine' and 'general feelings' weren't mentioned at the last commision meeting.

You said that you hunted sixteen days in Nevada last year and now your opportunity is being cut in half. Check the split season dates, Oct. 5th - Oct. 20th early and Oct. 21st - Nov. 5th late, get out your calculator and let us know how many fewer days that is.

I guess you can add mine to the list of ass's you're going to kick over this gross injustice placed upon you by the state of Nevada.

You should have titled this thread "HUNTER screwed again by game agency" , unless there's a multitude of guys on this site who can quit their job to go deer hunting for a month who aren't speaking up.
 
Dude, why you gotta carry on with this????????? Tag numbers are not really my main gripe. It's all about TIME! Time in a given season. Loss of time=loss of opportunity IMO and still does. Just because you cant take advantage of a full season, does that mean you wanna see guys who can suffer? Maybe someday you will be in a position to hunt more often, But guess what, when the G takes something, they almost never give it back. Thats the perspective i'm looking at it from. I am fully freaking aware that tag numbers need to be adjusted annually. No problem, the resource fluxuates, I get it. And i fully understand the way Nevada approaches it's game management. I've spoken with every biologist in the northern portion of that state for several consecutive years. Frankly, i'm just sick of seeing opportunity stolen from hunters. Every year they tighten the screws a bit more. And yeah, I'm pissed about it. It aint just Nevada.
 
Gotcha Bighorn. I understand what you and everyone else is saying. Like i said, i got carried away briefly. I still don't agree with most of you guys, but thats alright. Looks like you're all going to get what you want, My bitching about it does nothing. The root of this argument still has not changed. I percieve elimination of time in a given season as hunting time lossed. Really does'nt matter what they do with tag numbers (although i'll be watching closely to see how that pans out). Like I tried to explain to Fairchaseben, Even if you cant hunt for an extended period in a given season, what is the point of eliminating it for the other guys? Someday you may decide you want to spend multiple days afield, but you no longer have that option. Sick of watching oppurtunity taken from hunters, in EVERY state. Once they take something, you'll never get it back.
 
I agree that taking something away or reducing it just because it doesn't appear to be used isn't a good enough reason to do. Take it just because they can mentality. I agree with you on that one. But I am hopeful we are getting something back in exchange for what they are "taking". I hope we get something like satisfying a few more hunters each year either by increased tags in one season or at least by reducing hunter congestion on the opening and closing weekends.

What I find really ironic in the deal is that in the past Nevada has had a 9 day, Saturday to Sunday antelope season. Average antelope hunt has been less than two days. Now under the standardized seasons the antelope season is being extended to two full weeks. That one I don't understand but it isn't a bad change necessarily so I'm not complaining. Just found it interesting.
 
I'm one who agrees with jakes' position although not his "I'm gonna kick yer ass stuff". Some of my most memorable hunts have pushed hard at 40 days straight of non stop hunting. Hell I didn't know about sept 11th till Oct. never even noticed there were no jet trails for a month. Some stuff the dow does just makes no sense except that besides me and jake noone seems to do it that way I guess. I almost got a ticket in Wy for moose when on the way home I ran into a permanent check station south of dubois and pulled in to check my moose. The lady told me I broke the law cause I hadn't checked in and gotten a hunter id # on my way into the unit. I told her I didn't see no stinkin check station and she said it was set up on 8/31 the day before the season started so I was illegal. I told her I came up on 8/26 and had been hunting ever since( it was around 10/10 or so) She didn't believe me but couldn't prove otherwise so checked my moose and away I went. Jake chill out dude all that time in the woods is supposed to relieve the stress it sure works wonders for me. I'm hoping to score on a 2-1/2 month long sheep hunt in Wy solo as always maybe you'ld like to be my spotter ?? You have to promise to be mellow and not put a whuppin' on me though.
 
OK so I hunted elk for over two weeks and started the hunt on 9/10/01. Only difference was I was unemployed at the time. For most people it is hard to get away from a real job or business more than a week or two at most. Squirrel, if you hunt with Jake you need to hide your nuts and sleep on your back with an apple in your mouth from what I hear. Have a good fall season.
 
Despite the mud slinging that has occured on this thread, if you look at all comments objectivly, there are many good points made. I can only give my opinion, of course any or all are welcome to disagree. I can see the points that Jake and Squirell have made, and agree to a certain extent. I also share their worry of "once the gov. takes something away, you don't get it back". I do think as hunters/sportmen, whether you are the weekend warrior, meat hunter or trophy hunter, we all want to have the best opportunities afield at quality animals, as well as enjoy ourselves even if we don't get a kill. Personally I am one of the few freaks that has quit or threatened to quit my jobs to get my time in the field. Call me crazy, but I don't think that 10-14 days off to hunt is too much to ask when you are slaving the rest of the year, and there is only a couple of months combined for the various seasons I hunt.

Unfortunatly, we have to "trust" the game and fish dept. in all the states that they are at least trying to accomplish a more beneficial system for all, despite failure to do so in some states. After first reading Jakes post, I had the same thoughts run through my head that Squirrel stated about the Colorado chase for the $ instead of the respecting the resource. I don't hunt Nevada, but want to some day, and I don't want to see it fall to the same fate that Squirrel says Colo. is in. I personally don't even apply to Colorado because of the short seasons. If I am going to spend the money for a Non-res tag, I want to get my time and money worth for the effort. Stats may show that people only spend 3 days afield...thats great for those people but, if I want/need to, I would like to spend more time than that on the mountain and feel rushed and pressured to get a kill because the clock is ticking.

I think we all have been pissed off at some change ,or several, in game laws to our favorite areas in and out of home state. But, I think bending the ears of the game law makers to the point of annoyance in mass, will get the desired results (if the resource can benefit) more than bitching to each other. I think Nevadapride is on the right track, with a bit of an "insiders edge" considering his career path. Personally, I am not for the split seasons. Mostly for the selfish reasons that I can't hunt as much or as long as I want, since on occasion I am forced to be a weekend warrior instead of do the hard-core high country hunt. Therefore to me that is lost opportunity, despite there being potentially more tags issued to make DOW more revenue. I remember seeing a mention of it actually being split 85%/15% for tags of the 2 seasons, and I hope that is truly the case. Nevada historically has awsome game mangment, and I hope this isn't a step in the wrong direction, but I guess we'll find out soon enough. If so, hopefully they will amend it to benefit the deer and the hunters. I am trying to keep an open mind about it all until it is proven to be detrimental.

Again guys, thats just one mans opinion. I'm not trying to get into a pissing match here, so take it with a grain of salt. I hope what I've said makes sense, but if not, I have to respect all opinions and ideas until they are proven wrong.

Good hunting boys!

PS- Shmalts, your right on about that IDbugler guy!
 
If you guys are hitting on my Hunting partner.... I'm going to threaten to kick some "A" around here !!!! He isn't lucky at drawingtags or knows how to kill anything bigger then his wife but he's good in the hills when you need him to pack chit.

Uhhhhh by that I mean "Heavy objects" ... Geshhhh :)

-Moosie

People, they thin' I don't know a Buttload of Crap About the Gosple, but I do. (Nacho Libre)
 
Since we're getting on a good track let me tell you a story... I go to lots of dow meetings and when I stand up they just roll their eyes and smile knowing what I 'm going to whine about.
A perfect example of what not to do is Co.'s moose season. It's a once in a lifetime tag, you get 3 choices of weapon with 1-2 wks per season but you can only hunt with the weapon you choose for the allotted time. Virtually everyone who draws a tag kills a moose -they're not that bright. My point is the quota is set draw the tag then hunt for the whole time with the appropriate weapon -giving you 6 weeks to look for your once in a lifetime bull. No extra animals would be killed cause all tags fill already. They will not do this and can't even give a reason why that has any logic to it only " this is how we do it we're the proffessionals here", crap.
I can honestly say that if Co. would give decent seasons I'ld drop out of the obscene finacial rape of non res. the western game agencies are so hellbent on pursueing. 5 days isn't enough to feed my habit, although it does feed us quite well with full freezers. The flip side is sheep and goat which give a month or even more which is fine with me.
Now how could you want to put a whuppin' on moosie Jake?? Where is your compassion, take a look at those pics he posted. That boy has likely been taking whuppin's since his momma dropped him off at kindergarten. How he landed a hottie like Idbugler I can only guess. My guess is he learned early in life a skill to avoid those whuppin's. but I have no first hand knowledge of this.
 
Squirrel, that is a messed up story. Your idea makes perfect sense to me. Its just like getting a general tag, hunting with a bow early then switching to rifle later if unsuccesful. That just proves they are out for the $ instead of managing a good resource with benefits to both hunter and game. I can only imagine that if guys end up not filling moose tags for whatever reason, and the herd grows...they would most likely offer more tags. But with the limitation of you weapon choice to hold you back, they will pull in quite a bit extra cash from what I am guessing are spendy tags. MAybe when you go to those DOW meetings you should bring a friend that the officials are unaware of. Sit apart from each other, and when you make suggestions, give ones they would most likely do anyway, but your friend would immediatly stand up and disagree and suggest your true ideas. They would probably side with him just cuz he "doesn't like you".

Moosie, those are some good pics...I'm envious of the moose and bear. Alaska? I'm also glad you clarified about IDbugler when "packing chit". You had me laughing hard there! And I am NOT hitting on your hunting partner. I wouldn't want to ruin what the two of you have going. In all seriousness, he does look like he could haul out a whole elk by himself. I had a hunting partner like that myslef until he moved to Montana! It was like having a 2 legged Clydsdale.

Is Jake still out there, cuz I was really interested in his opinions on what I said in my first message. Any of you guys hunting WYo. this year?

PR
 
Squirle, Yah it was alaska, on 2 different trips. I did a Drop camp for Moose few years back and then last year went to KingSalmon for the bear (Dad was living there so I went as a Nonresident without a guide). It was he only way to afford a Griz :) but then went back in the fall for Kodiak deer.

The last year or 2 I've been slacking in my department of packing crap out. This year I'm back in the game. Although I hadn't learned anything about Opportunity in this post, It reminded me to step up the workout program :) He's a "little" better cut but I'll hike with him anywere.

-Moosie

People, they thin' I don't know a Buttload of Crap About the Gosple, but I do. (Nacho Libre)
 
I agree on the moosie photos I was way more jealous of those moose antlers than Idbugler's bulging biceps. Wy is a fantastic state!!! - once you draw. I've had some fantastic adventures there for extended periods of time no less. My first shiras hunt for almost 40 days was one of the top 5 trips of all my life- now it sucks there cause of all the wolves chomped the mooses' heads off. I'm sitting on max pts for sheep in #5 this year hoping to gitrdone soon as the $100/yr to apply is painful to a cheap bastard like me. Wy really gives a fella some opportunity with archery available for just $20 extra. There is almost no pressure to blast something just cause you need something in the freezer because of the long season's in multiple locations (in the case of gen elk). Co could learn something there but they won't.

It suprises me at the meetings of how few hunters are there. It is dominated by local business owners wanting to spread things out more evenly over a longer time period- ie more and shorter seasons. Outfitters wanting to draw in more hunters over a longer time period with time between seasons to move old hunters out and fresh hunters in- ie more and shorter seasons. And the dow who just want more non res elk hunters to buy over the counter tags for 500 ea. and not shoot an elk, ie more and shorter seasons. Squeaky wheels get greased and when the grease is the almighty dollar it gets spread around thickly and with gusto. Most of the people at the meeting hunt too but believe me they are there to make sure the money keeps flowing from n-res into they're pockets. They've been making a huge deal for the last 5 yrs. or so about reducing the cow elk herd.

My pitch is sell people a tag for low $, and give them from 10-15 till 12-31 to hunt for a cow on that tag. The dow position is to add on more late seasons cow only and offer more tags during the general bull seasons . WITH EACH SEASON NEEDING A NEW TAG. (and new $ of course) I pinned them down on the reasoning on this and their response is it makes enforcment of the laws easier. My interpretation is they get to drive around writing tickets in a newer truck!!

Now I understand most people have a meaner wife than mine, more children to feed(I have dogs) and a stronger work ethic than mine ( I have none). I realized long ago that I was "weird" to hunt for months at a time. I really don't care to kill all that many animals /yr. I just want to spend time walking the woods with a gun/bow. After all it's time that really is the most precious commodity- the older I get the more I realize the truth of that.
 

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