Score generalizations

nocwalker

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Ok guys, I'm getting to the point in my research that I'm starting to look at size. When whitetail hunting I field judge (quickly from stand) the score using generalize calculations.
Example, Medium width = 19", reg main beam lengths = 21" , Circumferences = 20 to 25" etc...

Do you guys have general numbers you might use on mature elk that I can kinda plug in fast? Especially the Circs.

I can imagine on a 300 to 320 bull the main beams must be 48" or so, Right?

How do you guys determine width in the field? We use the tips of the ears on whitetails (16" avg.)

Thanks nocwalker
 
My rule of thumb is that the center of the eye to the tip of the nose is 12" and the base of the peticle to the tip of the nose is 15".

If every point is 15" average and a 50" main beam, you end up with a 350 bull roughly. 20" average and a 55" main bean and you have a 400" bull. A 300 - 320 bull will generally have 45-48" beams.

When looking at bulls the key is to find something you like the look of. If it's an ugly bull on your wall, score doen't mean much. Unless you have more than one bull on your wall score is completely irrelevant. They all won't fit in your house unless you have ceilings higher than 8 feet :)

Cheers,
Pete
 
>When looking at bulls the key
>is to find something you
>like the look of.
>If it's an ugly bull
>on your wall, score doen't
>mean much. Unless you
>have more than one bull
>on your wall score is
>completely irrelevant. They all
>won't fit in your house
>unless you have ceilings higher
>than 8 feet :)
>
>Cheers,
>Pete


Bill,
Pete is pretty much spot on. Hopefully you will see enough bulls you can start getting an idea of what is available on the first few days of your hunt.
I think almost any six point is going to be close to or above 300 on the Wasatch. Enjoy.
 
When you see that 380"+ Bull You'll know!:D

You won't need to Dink around with c3's Mathmatics when the Right Bull shows himself!

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Best of Luck!

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my rule of thumb is from where the fronts start to the end of the elks nose is roughly 16 inches. that givess you a good idea on the rest of the tines by going off that.
 
you also have got to add in trophy elk factors such as the state you are hunting. example if you see a big bull in utah he must be right around 400 where as that same bull seen in colorado will only be about 350. another scoring factor is did you get a picture? if it is a good clear picture and you can see the rack from several angles subtract 30 inches , if it is a fuzzy right at dark can't even tell it's an elk type pic add 40 inches.if you and only you saw the bull and got no pic add 60 inches. another factor is the harvest of that bull if you shot him and took a great trophy shot with breath taking views in the background add 20 inches if your holding just the rack in sandals and bermuda shorts subtract 30 inches. if you put the pic on an internet forum add 25 inches and if you really want him to score well prop the rack up in the pick up box and leak a random e-mail or two it's a great way to add 45 inches. just remember you have to add up all these factors before you pull that trigger.you would hate to mess up and shoot a dink......
 
Thanks guys, I'm not worried about finding a 380" bull what I'm more concerned about is mistaking a 240" bull and thinking its 300". I've nevr takin a bull elk but, ofcourse I've seen many hugh mounts of 400" animals.

What I'm looking for is a quick cheat sheet if you will. I'm just unsure what some of the measurements might be and have no idea what the "Circ's" on one side would be. If I could get my hands one a rack, I could measure it or if I could find a filled out score sheet that would help.

Show me-- Wasatch LE archery bull tag.

Quick cheat sheet might be like this:

44" (main beam)
12 (1st)
15 (2 nd)
20 (3rd)
8 (4th)
5 (5th)
__ (Circumferences) I have no idea what to install here
104" plus the circ's

X 2 for the other side

Plus spread or spreads (not sure what to score here)

= estimate

I know if we run into a monster there will be no question, I won't even bother with an estimate. If we're seeing marginal animals I'd like to have an idea what wer're looking at. I know it wont be that accurate but it will give me an idea of score. And I do understand the idea of a good looking animal too, so, a pleaseing look will also be concidered.

Thanks nocwalker
 
All the suggestions have been great. what i usually do if he is a mature bull i always us 45 for my inside spread unless you can clearly see he is not that. then i always use 50 for my mass on a average bull and 55 on a mature bull. Same goes for beams 50 on mature bull and 48 for average. your width and mass are the hardest so thats why i use an average constant value and it usually ends up being a little better. tine length i use the face. tip of his head to nose 19-20, base of horns to tip of nose 16 and eyes to nose 13. hope that helps good luck on your hunt.


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HA HA That was a good read !



>you also have got to add
>in trophy elk factors such
>as the state you are
>hunting. example if you see
>a big bull in utah
>he must be right around
>400 where as that same
>bull seen in colorado will
>only be about 350. another
>scoring factor is did you
>get a picture? if it
>is a good clear picture
>and you can see the
>rack from several angles subtract
>30 inches , if it
>is a fuzzy right at
>dark can't even tell it's
>an elk type pic add
>40 inches.if you and only
>you saw the bull and
>got no pic add 60
>inches. another factor is the
>harvest of that bull if
>you shot him and took
>a great trophy shot with
>breath taking views in the
>background add 20 inches if
>your holding just the rack
>in sandals and bermuda shorts
>subtract 30 inches. if you
>put the pic on an
>internet forum add 25 inches
>and if you really want
>him to score well prop
>the rack up in the
>pick up box and leak
>a random e-mail or two
>it's a great way to
>add 45 inches. just remember
>you have to add up
>all these factors before you
> pull that trigger.you would
>hate to mess up and
>shoot a dink......
 
AHH! Ok guys Thanks, I got it now.

Those circs, I had no idea what to put in there for them.
Dang those numbers I posted above is a pretty good bull!

So, if it looks like the main beams are 3 times longer than the pedistal to the tip of the nose its 45" to 48"

46" main beam
12" 1st
12" 2nd
12" 3rds
20" 4ths
5" 5ths
45" circ's
--------
152" right side
152" left side
--------
304"
45" inside spread
__________
349" bull

You guys gave me the basics, That will work just to give me some idea as to what I'm looking at. I do know like some of you said, If its big enough, you'll know, in that case I won't even bother getting a rough count. Thanks nocwalker
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-07-12 AT 12:43PM (MST)[p]The normal mass measurements are in the 25-28" per side range. 50" combined.

A better example like the one above would be:

G1 = 12
G2 = 12
G3 = 8
G4 = 17
G5 = 5
Beam = 46
Mass = 25

Total per side = 125

45" spread is ginormous. Very rare to have a bull in Utah that is that wide. Most are in the 35"-40" range. Typically I've seen about 40" on 360 and 370 bulls.

Give him a 35" inside and you get 285 on that bull.

Add 3" on every measurement for a 330 bull.

Add another 3 on each and you'd get your booner 375 bull!

Cheers,
Pete

Edit: can't type :)
 
if they look wide id say 45-50 if they dont look real wide 35-40.
like i said before 16 incvhes from base of antler to tip of nose is my way of fiding lenght of tines. 20-30 is pretty good for mass measurments. if really heavy lookin take 30 if light take 20 and if eh looks good take 25

a 300 inch bull should be

g1 14
g2 14
g3 10
g4 17
g5 5
MB 45

mass around 25
total 130 x 2=
total=260
+

inside spread 35-40
=
295-300.
 

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