Best expandable

B

bugle22

Guest
What's the best expandable Broad heads on elk? I have heard good things on the ulmer edge. What do you use?
 
There Ain't one!

Mechanical = Will Fail Sooner or Later!

Montec's G-5!


"""Supporting Speed Limits doesn't make You Anti Car"""

No & You'll never Fix STUPID or WACKO'S by changing Gun Laws You Dumb BITTCH!
 
BULL BUTTER!


"""Supporting Speed Limits doesn't make You Anti Car"""

No & You'll never Fix STUPID or WACKO'S by changing Gun Laws You Dumb BITTCH!
 
THE ULMER EDGE IS ALL I SHOOT NOW, PERFECT IN FLIGHT LIKE A FIELD TIP, HAVE NOT ELK HUNTED WITH THEM AS OF YET...........................YD.
 
EPEK worked good for me last year. Slight quartering to me, 51 yards.
55A65285-AF42-4579-86D2-19E3B894D5CE-851-000000560301EDC3.jpg

IMG_0946_zps02122e91.jpg



Traditional >>>------->
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-11-13 AT 08:09PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Feb-11-13 AT 08:07?PM (MST)

Not going to say ones better than the other but the Ulmer I put through my bull this past fall busted ribs going in and exiting and looked like new. Could easily be used again.

8892img_1579_filtered.jpg
 
Not Sayin they don't work!

Sayin they're Mechanical= Can & Will Fail!


"""Supporting Speed Limits doesn't make You Anti Car"""

No & You'll never Fix STUPID or WACKO'S by changing Gun Laws You Dumb BITTCH!
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-11-13 AT 08:06PM (MST)[p]I've had fixed blades fail more than I have mechanicals..just saying.
"they still killed the animal but blades broke off, I'm not going to get in a slug match."

I think VPA makes the best head out there for big game right now.
 
Ever shot montecs? They are brittle POS!
Mechanicals can and will fail. So will a fixed blade, especially a montec.


Traditional >>>------->
 
OK!

Now I've raised some Blood Pressures I'll Quit F'n with you Guys!:D




"""Supporting Speed Limits doesn't make You Anti Car"""

No & You'll never Fix STUPID or WACKO'S by changing Gun Laws You Dumb BITTCH!
 
what elkassassin is trying to say is mechanical broadheads have a moving part and is possible to fail. I know when they first came out they had problems opening up.

that is why I never used and still haven't gotten into them.

100 guys = hundred ways. i will stick with my crimsons talons.
 
I tried G5 Montec's last year. They fly nice but dull very easily. For a fixed blade I;ll stick with the Slick Trick. As for a Mech. The Rocket Steelhead is a fool proof as a Mech can get.
 
So?

You Guys Rely on a Rubber Band?


"""Supporting Speed Limits doesn't make You Anti Car"""

No & You'll never Fix STUPID or WACKO'S by changing Gun Laws You Dumb BITTCH!
 
I have had good luck with both Rockets and NAP shockwaves on elk. Like always shot placement is the key. The best head there is put in the wrong place won't work very well. Just my opinion.
 
>I have had good luck with
>both Rockets and NAP shockwaves
>on elk. Like always shot
>placement is the key. The
>best head there is put
>in the wrong place won't
>work very well. Just my
>opinion.


Well said
 
>So?
>
>You Guys Rely on a Rubber
>Band?
>
>
>"""Supporting Speed Limits doesn't make You
>Anti Car"""
>
>No & You'll never Fix STUPID
>or WACKO'S by changing Gun
>Laws You Dumb BITTCH!

Bess, do you own a bow? Do you personally shoot montecs? If not then your opinion on archery is like obummers on gun control.
On I side not, I never trust a rubber:)




Traditional >>>------->
 
HorseCreek!

I don't Own 'a' Bow!

I own several of them!

Matter a Fact!

I do shoot the Montecs!

I might be Old Fashioned!

But I don't have any Mechanical Problems!:D




"""Supporting Speed Limits doesn't make You Anti Car"""

No & You'll never Fix STUPID or WACKO'S by changing Gun Laws You Dumb BITTCH!
 
I also have seen the rocket steelheads work well. I also agree the arrow needs to be in the sweet spot. The elk I hit well didn't go 50 yards. I liver shot one and tracked it a long ways.(same head) The native americans killed game with sharpened rocks. Hug the shoulder, but don't hit it on elk, I know from experience.
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-12-13 AT 09:40PM (MST)[p]I am a huge believer in mechanical broadheads and really like the grim reapers, but right before my AZ unit 9 elk hunt I tried shooting the G5 Montec CS. For me, they flew perfect and straight, and even better than the mechanical broadheads I had been shooting. So I used them on the hunt and shot an elk at 27 yards, it came out the other side and landed 15 yards beyond the elk and took out the far side rib. The elk ran 60 yards and died right in front of me.

1416p9183064.jpg


I love mechanicals, but if you can get a fixed blade to fly perfect why would you ever shoot anything else. I'm sold on the Montecs and will continue to use them.
 
I am another g5 Montec fan. 3 elk and half a dozen bucks without tracking....I could not ask for anymore. Yes I do sharpen them when I buy them. I have also shot though a garage with tin siding inadvertently. Other than needing resharpened, good to go.
 
Never shot them but just to be difficult lets bring up the Trophy Ridge Rocket Aeroheads Buckbuster Broadheads. Fixed and Mechanical in one!

Personally I'm a Rocket Steelhead guy. I think it is all about what you feel comfortable with and have confidence with.

py
 
I personally prefer a fixed, 3-blade broadhead. Out of a properly-tuned setup, fixed blade broadheads will fly just as accurately as any field point and group just as consistently. If you can't shoot your fixed-blade broadheads just as well then you have issues with your setup or your form. As for mechanicals.........don't see any reason to risk the enhanced degree of wounding-loss that I have personally seen with them. I guided archery elk hunters for many seasons but it only took a handful to decide that I would not allow an archer to pursue elk with a mechanical in his quiver anymore. Not on my watch. That has been a few years ago now and undoubtedly the technology has improved but is it really worth the chance? I will call a bull in for just about anybody................unless their arrows are tipped with mechanicals. Just my experience and just my opinon.
 
NOTE TO SELF: DONT BOOK A HUNT WITH SOLESEARCHER, HE WONT ALLOW A GUY TO USE THE EQUIPMENT OF CHOICE. YES ITS A DEAL BREAKER !!!!!!!!!!..........................YD.
 
I personally shoot Tekkan's but they are now discontinued.

When I am out of them I will probably try the Ulmer Edge as I have heard a lot of good about them.

Question for you Montec fans. Have you had issues with the blades dulling on you? Heard from quite a few hunters that have been using them of having issues with the blades getting a light rusting on them and dulling them significantly.

Just curious!


"The problem with quotes on Internet Forums is that it is often difficult to verify their authenticity." - Abraham Lincoln
 
I've killed a lot of deer with Tekans. Because they are discontinued and hard to find (the left-overs) I'm moving to their big brother the T3.
 
YukonDall....There are states that will not allow you to "run what you brung" either when it comes to expandable's.

O_S_O_K......Montec CS (carbon steel) will of course rust when they are exposed to moisture. In my experience it is just a "film", and never had it "dull" the blades. I wipe them with PAM after sharpening, end of rust.
 
>There Ain't one!
>
>Mechanical = Will Fail Sooner or
>Later!
>
>Montec's G-5!
>
>
>"""Supporting Speed Limits doesn't make You
>Anti Car"""
>
>No & You'll never Fix STUPID
>or WACKO'S by changing Gun
>Laws You Dumb BITTCH!


Dito.
 
100 grain Montec has done nothing but great things for me. I've punched through two ribs on elk, pass throughs on another bull and a mule deer and I've never understood the "they don't sharpen" problem. I shoot three arrows all season, one with the practice blade and two field tips (rotating arrows) and the montec always groups with the field points.
 
DELMAG GOOD POINT.......DO ANY OF THE MAIN ROCKY MOUNTAIN STATES OR WESTERN STATES PROHIBIT EXPANDABLE HEADS ???? THANKS..........YD.
 
and Washington, Oregon, South Dakota (in relation to elk), and Alaska (in relation to Brown/Grizzly Bear and Moose).

Actually less than I thought.
 
100 grain Montec or wac'ems have always worked for me. fly good, hit hard, cut deep.

it amazes me how many shows on the outdoor channel who shoot a rage and never get a pass through on a little whitetail. Id hate to get that little of penetration on an elk.



avatar_2528.jpg


who farted?
 
I shoot Montec CS. Sharpen them using the Sharpie Marker method on YouTube and you are good to go.

I know an elk guide in AZ that asks his clients to use Rage. He says they work best for him.
 
Elkass, you know, you're one funny dude at times and I know you like to stir the pot. I ran across this post last week but didn't have a chance to chime in until this morning.

To the OP, in my opinion the Nap Killzone is the best mechanical broadhead out there. It has a devastating 2 inch slice and as far as I'm concerned the best locking closed method ever designed. They are also rearward deploying which eliminates any kick out issues on quartering away shots. I have tested a LOT of mechanical heads and I can't say enough about the Killzone so long as you have the proper set up. Take care of the Killzone and keep them clean you will have no issues with it. I would not hesitate to shoot a huge bull with this head.

To swbuckmasters point, I have witnessed the very things in the field he has with the rage head. I cant stand a rage but it isn't for the lack of penetration issue. Those that have no pass through shots are shooting a wide cutting mechanical head with too light of an arrow for pushing those wide blades through. That's the bottom line. I shoot 455 grains minimum total arrow weight. I have yet to fail in a pass-through shot with in the last 10 years. It took me learning the hard way that you need a heavy enough arrow when shooting mechanicals as you NEED the momentum to push those wide blades. BTW, if you modify rage heads to stay shut during flight or stalks in the field then they're not so bad so long as you have a heavy arrow!! But unless your sitting in a tree stand or a ground blind you're going to have issues eventually. I think the new extreme rage has addressed the o-ring issue but I haven't played with them yet to know.

Now Bobby, please don't get a hair ball at the things im about to say. I can already hear you hissing and spiting, ha ha ha LOL, JK. Do you shoot a compound bow? Do you know ist is mechanical? A compound bow has many moving parts as any mechanical broadhead out there in the market.Can and will fail?? Well so will your bow if you don't take care of it and keep it tuned up. If you shoot enough your constantly looking over your bow. Mechanical broadheads are the same way. You have o-rings or rubber bands, change them every six mont as they do go bad/dryrot. Check to make sure they function properly before you go out in the field.

I am not a fan of any forward deploying heads or wing blade deployment. But mechanical broadheads have gotten a bad rap because of the operator more than anything else. They have also come a LONG way sense the first heads came out, just like the compound bow has. But if you're a speed freak, don't shoot mechanicals because no amount of speed is going to help push those heads completely through an elk.

Lastly, I don't mean to offend with this statement but if you are so ignorant about mechanicals that you can't clear the foam in your quivers then you don't even deserve to make a comment on Mechanicals heads good or bad. Learn how they deploy and then take a good look at your quiver. I remove the foam or open it up so the heads are hardly touched. Your quiver should lock the arrow shaft tightly, not the foam in the broadhead cover. That is strictly for the hunters safety. It is not and never has been meant to help hold your arrows in place. I LMAO when I hear of jokers out there complain about the heads opening in their quivers and then see how they have literally shoved them into the foam.

There now, hiss and spit away bobby, just thought I would raz a little you back this morning because it seemed like an entertaining thing to do. Have a great day! :)


GBA
 
Alright GotBow!

Enough of your Babbling BS!:D

Yes,A Compound will Fail!

I've destroyed a couple of them!:D

So?

The Arrow not passing clear through is a Bad thing?

I want Good Penetration no Doubt!

But if it's not a Pass through I want to Slice & Dice as the Bull tries to Escape with that Fixed Blade Montec inside of him!

DAMN StickFlippers!!!:D:D:D



We can Skin a Buck,We can run a Trout Line, and a Country Boy Can Survive!
 
I shoot the Trophy Ridge Meat Seekers. Ive had great luck with them on Whitetails. Hit one right up the leg...3" or so above the brisket line..blew through both near and far side leg bones. Looked like he was shot with a high powered rifle.All the other deer I killed with it died within 30 yds or so. 1 1/2" cutting dia..3 blad, not the 2". FWIW.
 
Ramcats are not barbed. The blades fold slightly forward when pulling them out to a 90 degree so they are not barbed and in fact cut a bigger hole coming out than they did going in because of the blades folding forward and being sharpened on both sides of the blade. It is an awesome broadhead. I've killed two buffalo with them and can't say enough good about them. Tough head, insanely sharp and fly with me field tips out to 80 yards, haven't tried farther.
 
Had two pass throughs on whitetails this year with the NAP Killzone(my first experience with an expandable), got to say I was impressed. If my slick tricks aren't giving me what I need before this fall, I would feel very comfortable using these.
 
I shot a bull this year that gave me the chance to shoot him 4 times. I shot him twice with an ulmer edge and twice with a slick trick mag. the slick trick did much greater damage
 
I bought a package of Ulmers because I heard good things. First time shooting them I clipped the back of another arrow and the blade snapped off. It hardly even left a mark in the other arrow. What would have happened if it had hit bone?

Needless to say, I wasn't impressed.
 
I haven't gone elk hunting with a bow in afew years, but I would try the Exdus BH. I like the reviews on it. I looks like it would penitrate well.
 
While researching outfitters for an Iowa whitetail hunt last fall I noticed a couple of them did not allow mechanicals in their camps. Wonder why????

A couple years ago I switched from G5's to Slick Trick Magnums and have been very pleased. Super tough and sharpest blades I've ever seen.
 
What about a Ramcat I have heard nothing but good about them, they are a fixed that fly as good as a field point or mech. Any of you shoot them at elk?
 
>I shot a bull this year
>that gave me the chance
>to shoot him 4 times.
>I shot him twice with
>an ulmer edge and twice
>with a slick trick mag.
>the slick trick did much
>greater damage

Holy hell, where did all four of yer arrows hit?





Traditional >>>------->
 
I've killed two bulls with Ramcats. One at 40 yards, one at 30. Both were pass throughs. One died within 30 yards, the other within 50. Great heads. Ferrules were still like brand new and the blades were just swept back a little bit at the tips but no breakage (inherent of the blade design). Instant blood on both to.


smiley-violent064.gif
 
Those of you who like Montecs, need to check into VPA's. Same excellent design, but made better as they are machined from a solid block of steel, not cast. Much stronger. They also sharpen way easier.
 
In the 20 plus years I have hunted archery, I have tried everything. The mechanicals have been the worst for me, they fly good, but the blood trail sucks, and the animals have gone longer for me. I will stick to the basic broadhead. I only shoot 3 bladed muzzy's. I know most people think its a bad broadhead, but it used to be at the top, now it seems everybody shoots the most expensive on the market.....More money means better.......Sticks and rocks have killed more critters then any mechanical EVER will.
 
DarkCloud, My thoughts exactly. Thunderheads are about half the price of all the new stuff. I cant, for the life of me figure out what could make them better. Most kills I can replace the blades and good to go. I guess were all trying to find a better mouse trap.
 
>I shoot the Trophy Ridge Meat
>Seekers. Ive had great luck
>with them on Whitetails. Hit
>one right up the leg...3"
>or so above the brisket
>line..blew through both near and
>far side leg bones. Looked
>like he was shot with
>a high powered rifle.All the
>other deer I killed with
>it died within 30 yds
>or so. 1 1/2" cutting
>dia..3 blad, not the 2".
>FWIW.

Amen....I've punched holes in both an deer and an elk with the same broadhead, just cleaned it up good and replaced the retainer band. The chisel head pivots allowing penetration throw vitals but on the elk it hit the opposite leg and shattered it which is very hard to do on elk. Preference if what it comes down to though. I don't think most expensive is always the best.
 
I switched from Muzzy's three years ago to the g5 Montec. No problems with the Muzzy, and killed a lot of game with it over the years. I've now killed 6 elk with the Montec, and have been quite impressed. I firmly believe everyone of those elk would have been just as dead if hit with a Muzzy, but I got complete pass through on 5 of the 6, and the 6th was buried in the off shoulder after breaking a rib going in. All died with one arrow in just a few yards.
I still don't trust mechanicals. They certainly work sometimes, but I've never seen a fixed blade fail to cut. As long as my bow will shoot fixed blades well, I won't introduce the uncertainty of a mechanical blade.
Bill
 
One of the biggest disadvantages to mech heads that no one talks about is the blades fold back and the arrow falls out limiting further damage. The rear end of the blades on my Stingers are sharpened, so in the event of a non-pass thru (easy on a big animal like and elk) you may end up with a recovery. But you guys really need to read Dr. Ashby?s test on mechanical heads. That and the fact a buddy of mine hit 2 deer with rage heads (one was a ?heart? shot) and failed to kill either one is proof enough that there are no advantages to a mech heads (with a tuned bow), only disadvantages.

It's your money and sweat, me I don't like to take chances and make things more complicated.
 
I made the switch to a grim reaper mech broadhead last year because they were flying just like my field tips with the new bow i purchased. I was shooting a 3 blade fixed sonic before the switch. I had great results with the sonics but wanted to see what the mechanicals had to offer with the new bow. I shot 2 elk and one deer last year and even though i found all the animals i was not impressed with the grim reaper at all. 1 elk i hit a little high on the first shot and it dropped him in his tracks. I unloaded my quiver on him at 15 yards "all of them in the boiler room" to reduce the suffering. It still took the bull way more time than it should have to expire. When i pulled my arrows out all the blades were broken off of most arrows creating a small hole instead of cutting.
I will be going back to a fixed blade this year. It sounds like the g5 is well liked on this post. I think they will be my first purchase.
 
Sorry MAT but gotta call BS on the "heart shot" and didn't die. I think I could kill a deer with a field point if I hit it in the heart. Don't mean to start any thing but just hard to believe.

I don't use rage. I have and didn't like the constant worry of me not noticing them half open before the shot. I killed several animals with them. (mostly deer)

I have a list of heads I will not use for one reason or another.

But it is almost never about the head it's about the shot.

Practice Practice Practice and take what you are canfident in also make good shot selections and know that sometime that means going home without anything. Someone up at the begining shot a spike at 51 yard (i think) quarting to!! Cudos on making that shot but I think on a scale of 1-10 that shot is about a -3 in my books.

Sorry for the rant.
 
I think his story matches up pretty well with some of the things I have watched mechanicals do. My brother inlaw shot a bull with one, right in the heart. It took forever to find the bull, because of no blood trail. He only found the bull because his dad stumbled upon it in the opposite direction of what they thought. He was taking the easy way up the mountain because of a knee surgery.
 
The elk did die tho. His comment was that the deer didn't die

There is a story for every head.
I shot muzzys for a year and killed two deer both died within no more that 100 yards. One it took my buddys dog to find her she only went 70 yards(it's thick where i was hunting). I expected it to be back further then I thought but when I got there no it was maybe an inch back. The other one was easer to find but still didn't like the blood trail.

I like them both I shoot mechanicals and fixed and I have had good and bad results from both.

You should use what you are confident with and take good shots not questionable ones.
 
>There Ain't one!
>
>Mechanical = Will Fail Sooner or
>Later!
>
>Montec's G-5!
>
>
>"""Supporting Speed Limits doesn't make You
>Anti Car"""
>
>No & You'll never Fix STUPID
>or WACKO'S by changing Gun
>Laws You Dumb BITTCH!

+100!!!!
avatar-1.png
 
In 1995 opening day of Colorado elk season I shot the first bull elk ever killed with a 3 blade spitfire.....I have used mechs everyday since and have loved them....I use Grimm Reapers now and have really liked how they work on bull elk as well as every other animal I take with a bow....To those that would discredit mechs say what you want...the mechs I shoot work every time. We had to use fixed blades last year in Oregon, and a bull was shot perfectly behind the front leg halfway to lower third on the body...took us 3 days to find the bull, had we shot the mechs, we would have watched the bull go down.....bias to any equipement we hunt with is stupid...shoot what you have confidence in, nothing really else matters.
 
Rage 2 blade I wish I could figure out how to post pics off my phone the titanium 2 blade does wonders
 
I drew an AZ Unit 27 Archery tag last year and studied, reviewed and shot 8 different broadheads: 4 mechs and 4 fixed. My mech of choice was the Vortex 100gr Solid. The design was simpler than the others, more consistent opening with a hUgE cutting radius. Almost too big if youre not pushing enough arrow. I liked the Ulmer Edge, but it seemed like there were too many moving parts. I ultimately went with the Slik-Tricks for my hunt. My bull went a little further than I would have wanted, but my arrow hit where I wanted, broke some bone, and he did go down after 200 yds. Hallelujah!

http://www.vortexbroadheads.com/Catalog/vortex_broadheads.htm
 
i think EVERYONE missed the original question?? he asked what is the best EXPANDABLE for elk and is curious if anyone has
experience with the ulmer edge, he probably didnt care to hear how well your montecs have worked. just sayin....

"THERES MORE TO LIFE THAN HUNTING,
BUT HOW FUN WOULD THAT BE"
 
I guide in NM and have had several clients kill bulls with mechanical heads. I too have found success with mechanicals. Last season two different huntes killed bulls with Ulmer Edge with great success. One of the hunters shot 375 grain arrow and 61 lbs. burried his arrow to the fletch with an ulmer edge at 29 yards. bull went 60 yards and was done. I think they are good heads. I shoot rage from a 70# bow and 411 grain arrow and I have killed 6 bulls with this set up with no issues and great penetration. I have also had clients use Grim Reapers and Spitfires with great results.
 

Similar threads

elkassassin
WE GOT ANY AUTO DETAILER'S HERE ON MM???
Replies
4
Views
373
elkassassin
elkassassin
MGELKOR
Archery Elk Non-Res 22 Points
Replies
20
Views
1k
YZF_88
YZF_88
accubond
10x42 SLC vs 10x50 EL
Replies
4
Views
242
Wheels2
Wheels2

Click-a-Pic ... Details & Bigger Photos

Member Gallery Photos and Videos!

BA78C69F-D693-479F-8832-A38EC8A78AE6.jpeg
44260.jpeg
Really Big Muley
20220608_215949.jpg
7A4E4B09-EC19-4A59-B19D-52A440E8656F.jpeg
E9E16940-24C9-4A49-B9E2-B2E93261F2C4.png
743658C7-3127-4918-B705-511EC130A006.jpeg
2052311F-43CA-4F4D-A41E-FAE1E97F4A64.jpeg
Heavy Buck
IMG_4393.jpeg
20211010_101044.jpg
20200612_190224.jpg
Back
Top Bottom