TROPHY 200" MULEY POACHED!

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BOWHUNTER_UT

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I NEED SOME FEEDBACK!!!!
I am a avid hunter and sportsman from southern utah, i have been watching and filming a 200" buck for the past two years had several close encounters during the archery hunt, but was unable to harvest the buck. Two days before the muzzleloader hunt the big buck was poached, i know a couple people who know for sure who did it and have told my father about it, they know the name of the idividual who commited this crime, when it happened where it happened eveything. so I contacted the DWR and was transfered to the area officer, i told him the story and the names of all individuals who can give him all the info needed to catch the creep who did this. I was told by the officer that he would not even be willing to investigate this situation because he cannot make the individual talk who knows all the information and that i do not have enough hard evidence. i am so discusted by this whole situation. i have hunted the past two days of the muzzleloader hunt and seen the remaining 7 bucks this monster was hanging out with and he is not there. i even know the individual who did this crime and told the officer this and he told me to do some more investigating on my own and see if i cannot get something on video during my muzzleloader hunt.. please give me some feedback on your feelings after reading this story. i am so discusted that this officer will put no effort into a trophy 200" mule deer being poached.
 
Wow, that really pisses me off. I would hope that poaching of an animal would get a little more investigation that what you mentioned they have done thus far.
 
Thats pretty ridiculous if that is the truth. Sounds to me like the officer doesnt want to do any kind of investigation. I would contact his supervisor or even the county attorney and run the case by them.
 
I have to say, with this type of post, the buck may not surface now. If you want it removed, send an alert. :(


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Later, Brandon
 
If you really think you have enough, go talk to the Officer's supervisor and get a second opinion, but be nice about it!
 
It sounds like there is a lot of hear say on this illegal killing and unfortunatley the divisions investigators can only do so much with that. However, I will bet that your jumping the gun a bit on thinking that there won't be anything done on the case.Provided that there was actually an illegal kill in the first place. Without knowing anything about the circumstances I bet that unless the guy who shot the buck did it alone they will eventually come up with enough to twist, scare, or otherwise make those who might have been along on the killing talk. And having a witness to actual events is a total different game than hear say.
I don't know the investigator you have been working with but to most of those guys they get as excited over a chance to nail a poacher as you do when you have a chance at taken a great buck.
My advise to you is if you still feel that the investigator isn't doing his job up to par then go around him. Just like everything else there are those that are better at thier jobs than some. Good luck!
 
You have photos right? Show them around and ask if any of the taxidermists or locals have seen it. Go to the kill site to see what kind of evidence might be there. Did you actually see a gut pile or any evidence a deer has even been shot. You just might get some more evidence. I'd dig a little deeper myself. Good luck! It's a shame someone has to do this kind of crap.
 
Try to get the witness to give you a kill site. Get some DNA, anything from the animal. I think they can preserve DNA indefinitely. So they could go after this guy a long time after the crime.
 
If the guys that came forth with the information contacted the DWR, it would probably move faster. You calling in with "hear say" probably isn't as big of a concern. I myself had a similar situation happen to me. A guy I know was BRAGING (if you can imagine that) about poaching a couple different bucks. I waited a week or two then I turned him in. Nothing was done. The guy is still at it I'm sure. Its hard to hear about, but you almost have to catch them on video for anyone to take you seriously.
 
I Have Reported Poachers To Nevada Wildlife Officer Under Very Similar Circumstances And They Did Nothing!I Have Been Totally Pissed Ever Since And Will Not Ever Talk To Game Warden Again Except If Talk To,and I Wont Be Nice.These Guys Dont Give A Sh!! And Wont Even Investagate! It A Joke And All They Say Is We Dont Have The Resourses!They Should Be Ashamed!But There Not! Gordon
 
Have had a similar experience here in Cali. Last week on the 19th I found a poached 6x6 rosevelt elk. Nice bull about 280". I call F&G and provide all the info needed to find the elk. Shoot, it had only been dead about 3-4 hours, right next to an active logging operation. F&G told me it happens all the time and there was nothing that they could do about it? I have not drawn and elk tag in cali, been trying for 17 years! God, this pisses me off!

sorry for the rant.


Matt
"Opportunity is missed by most people
because its dressed in overalls
and looks like work."
Thomas Edison
 
If your confident about the evidence that you already have, I would go over the top of this guy. If you can't get anything done, go to the DA. Good luck!
 
I hear ya man. I did the same thing a few years back with pretty much the same situation and the officer told me the same stuff. Pretty nice effort they make to help stop poachers uh? I would say do what you can but don't drive yourself nuts over it , I know its bullshit. You know damn well if you tell the cops where a meth house is they are on it like a fat kid on a cupcake. Poachers are earths buttholes.
 
The sad reality is that a lot of these circumstances are just a 'his word against your word'. If you don't have any hard evidence, you can't get a conviction. The way I read your post it sounds like all you know is what someone else told you. Do you think that will get a conviction in court? Not on you life. The officer probably was just being blunt with you and giving you the cold hard truth that he can't do anything unless the individuals with the first hand knowledge actually give him the info.
 
What do you want the officer to do? Go out and search the whole mountain on your hearsay. Do you have the gut pile or any other kind of evidence? If you do than you have a leg to stand on. If not what do you expect them to do put this guy you say knows something in a chair and electroshock therapy on his nipples until he tells what happens.

Many 200? bucks go missing this time of year. That's how they get that big.

If it is true that he poached this buck I hope he gets caught.
 
If you would have called with the same information, and instead told them a wolf had been poached, you would have had the feds scouring that hillside within hours. I guess a 200" buck doesn't have the same statis as a wolf does.
 
sw buckmaster: no that is not what i expect at all i expect is for them to at least put the effort in to ask the guy with all the info if he is willing to talk so that they can do some investigating, but they are willing to do nothing. you must be one of these guys who go out and illegally take these animals that is why you are defending them. good luck to you and your poaching in the future. and yes i understand big bucks dont get big by being stupid as i said i am a avid hunter and understand mule deer quite well....
 
BOWHUNTER_UT,

I contacted the DWR because this really disturbed me. They didn't know what I was talking about. Send me a PM and lets find someone else to talk to.


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Later, Brandon
 
I'm with Browtine on this one. I have had nothing but prompt response from the Utah DWR on investigating possible poaching incidents. I found a dead elk in the Book Cliffs last week, called it in to Dispatch and they had a C.O. out on it asap. He made it to the kill that night. My dad also reported a couple of dead elk and a gut pile last year and got $200 this year when they got a conviction on the guy. They DO care and they WILL investigate. You should talk to a different C.O. and see what he/she has to say.

Jenn
 
Great advice to pursue this. But, the key here is you must locate the sight of the kill and influence those that witnessed this to do the right thing. In some units you can be awarded a LE tag for doing the right thing. Good luck. I hope they nail this guy.

Chad
 
"Thats pretty ridiculous if that is the truth. Sounds to me like the officer doesnt want to do any kind of investigation. I would contact his supervisor or even the county attorney and run the case by them."

I agree, I know well the officers in my area, and the two of them cover about 15,000 square miles and in the past, they have dedicated much effort to following up leads for me, even going in horse-back to check out a story. So, I think the officer has the discretion, he just needs some pressure. Who knows what else he has on his plate? Maybe he just as a pile of other cases and is sending a message to his boss that he needs help - most wildlife officer programs are greatly under staffed/funded. . .
 
You are just getting people fired up i've seen nothing but sucess and great reaction from conservation officers in utah. They are cool guys and will try and do everything they can to catch these sob poachers.Tell me one thing bowhunter what county was this crime reported in?


"the fourwheeler riding deer hunting anti-christ"
 
something is not right about this story.. I know a bunch of the DWR guys personally, one of my good friends is a Lt. over the their investigations side... these guys live for this stuff... they have to have a degree they make crap... they do this because they enjoy it...

like a narc cop loves to get a drug bust... it is what they do.. and 99% of them love it...

unless your information was completely speculative and lacking merit.. these guys will investigate this stuff.. maybe you should try it again... I can give you a good guy to talk to if you are interested...
 
Im with you ajensen they are great guys and i think that there is more to this story than bowhunter is telling us i know some great officers in so. utah that would love to help get these guys so let me know and i'll help you bowhunter.

"the fourwheeler riding deer hunting anti-christ"
 
I hope they catch who did this. It's a true shame, i to have seen this buck in person and get sick in the gut when i think someone killed a magnificent mule deer like this one illegally. The efforts need to be focused on somebody local who thinks they could get away with something like this not matter the circumstance.
 
where was this buck killed at 30buck how did you see it?

"the fourwheeler riding deer hunting anti-christ"
 
sorry bowhunter_ut. this just sounds like bullsh!t. the DWR in Utah totally rely on tips from hunters to capture poachers. I seriously doubt they would ignore a reasonable tip. but what do I know ... I got busted on the "poached egg incident"

RUS
 
30buck was is the one everyone was chasing around town opening morning? do you know who could have killed it?

"the fourwheeler riding deer hunting anti-christ"
 
This does not suprise me, The Utah Fish and Game is a joke. I have given them a tip before and they didnt do a thing! It's all about the money not the wildlife.
 
littlebuck2
You seem to know all about it. Do you know who could have done it? And why must you hide your real name on this forum?
 
Don't be fooled into thinking our conservation officers aren't all over these cases - so long as we can provide solid details. Hearsay doesn't really cut it, as others have pointed out.

5 or so years ago a buddy of mine was on an ML deer hunt in the book cliffs. From quite a distance he witnessed some guys pull down some road and shoot a nice buck. They quickly threw it in the back of their vehicle WITHOUT gutting it - and took off. My buddy spotted their vehicle later in the day at a campsite back in the trees and so he pulled in to ask how their hunt was going and check out their deer. They stated that they weren't hunting and had no deer. My buddy didn't saying anything about what he'd seen, made some small talk while memorizing license plates and taking mental notes of other details. He drove to Vernal and reported it.

The poachers were identified, charged and convicted. Buddy received an ML tag for the book cliffs in a following year.

As I recall, one of the poachers just happened to be in some law enforcement capacity - can't remember exactly what though (deputy sheriff?).

Same buddy and I were deer hunting deer near Beaver about 12 years ago and saw a guy in a distinctly identifiable vehicle harvest a deer. The following weekend we saw the same guy hunting the same area. My buddy called that one in. We never heard anything after that, so we didn't know if anything happened.

A couple years ago in Idaho I reported what I thought was a suspicious situation. I was a few miles from any road scouting elk (archery) and stumbled across a nice teepee style tent w/ a cot, some bags of salt and a rifle and ammunition under the cot. The tent was fairly hidden from view. No evidence of horses or sheep whatsoever anywhere around. There *was* a nice sheep camp about a half mile away, so I sorta ruled out that possibility. I recorded the waypoint, took some video of it, and reported it to IF&G. They investigated within days and concluded that it was a sheepherder's spike camp. I didn't realize that sheep herders hauled around 50 lb bags of salt pellets.

Be on the lookout. Poaching *IS* happening. Get ALL the details you possible can. Don't confront the perpetrator - you don't want to gamble what extremes they may be willing to go to in order to preserve their hunting privileges. Report anything suspicious as soon as you can - with details.

Happy "legal" hunting to all
 
I have grandparents that live overthere and they said there were people chasing a big buck in town on the archery opener i guess it went by their house. I hadn't herd it was shot or anything it was just when you said tropic i was wondering if it was that deer cuz they said it was a big buck thats all. I was just wondering if you had heard anything about it cuz i think we should help bowhunter_ut gets these poachen sob's

"FREE WARREN"
 
No doubt, somethings not right here.

I called in a tip on something suspecious I witnessed a few years ago and they(the DWR) were all over it. Even called me back with a follow up report.
 
Oh and as for hiding my identity i've got nothing to hide but the fact that some crazy redneck could get my information and come hunt me down for having an argument on MM with him im not chancing that man!!!!!!!!!!! i guess i'm just a spineless puss thats all sorry.

"FREE WARREN"
 
BOWHUNTER_UT said
?you must be one of these guys who go out and illegally take these animals that is why you are defending them. good luck to you and your poaching in the future.?

First of all I did not defend them and I am also one of the most ethical hunters around. I sure as hell am not a poacher! Keep your slandering commits to your self!

As for the rest of your story I just can't figure out how if you have so much information on this crime that the DWR hasn't done something about it. Maybe you should get the division to talk to your dad since he was the one that told you about it.

This stuff eats at me as bad as it does you. Like I said before I hope you catch the guys that may have done this.
 
Littlebuck2 it's just more creditable if you have your name with your post's. As far as being scared somebody will hunt you down for an argument. All i can say is COWBOY UP. And yea it's the same on that got chased around tropic the first day of the bow hunt.
 
So if you where hunting this buck through the bow hunt, then were you hunting private property or within town limits?
 
It turns out this buck was not poached at all. Just so the readers on MM know. It was taken the 2nd day of the hunt close to Tropic. I have pictures and will post after i get permission. The buck is a HOG!!
 
bowhunter_ut that is embarissing maybe some appoligies are in order to the F&G officer and to the F&G in general. lets see these pics of this hog and see what bowhunter_ut wasn't able to kill so he decided to make some false claims

"FREE WARREN"
 
This buck that was taken on the second day of the hunt has been photographed by my father for the past two years. We have pictures of him during the rut with a a front fork missing. He knew my dad's yellow truck. Maybe some more scouting and more investigation was needed before an accusation is made.

There was three more bucks of his size in the same area. As of today those three still roam the hills. Thank heavens for that!
 
Here is the buck I will let story be told by the hunter when it comes out in the mag.

My friend also took a some photo's of the buck with a broken front fork in the rut last year. I don't think they are the same deer what do you guy's think?

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LAST EDITED ON Oct-23-07 AT 11:52PM (MST)[p]That is an awesome buck! What a beautiful rack. mtk123...let's see those pics.

Is this the same buck that was being stalked inside Bryce? The one the guys were caught stalking TWICE?? (they were apparently arrested the 2nd time). Not accusing the hunter of anything here...just pointing out that there may have been some suspicious activity surrounding this buck before he was harvested legally. I'm glad he was killed legally and the dudes who were stalking him were arrested.

Jenn
 
Depends on which side of the road it was killed on. Sounds like it went down in the general season, not on the Pauns but across the street from it!

Heck of a nice buck! Glad it wasn't poached.

RUS - what's the "poached egg incident" all about?

UTROY
Proverbs 21:19 (why I hunt!)
 
mtk23: i know of this buck and i knew all along that this buck is not the one that was poached i have video tape of the buck that was poached, the buck that was poached was taken in east valley so maybee before everyone on MM starts jumping on me hear both sides of the story this buck that was taken is not the buck that was in question about being poached. so think about that for a little while.....
 
I am sure BOWHUNTER_UT will not show his face around anymore, looks like he just wanted to whine from jealousy.

Great buck! Congrats to the hunter!
 
muleyslayer: here i am showing my face i am not ashamed at all cause this is not the buck in question first off this buck wont score 200" and ask all those knowing so much about this deer why they were telling everyone that the buck was a straight 4 x 4 and this one has a kicker on it! i will tell you all why cause the straight 4x4 was the buck poached. this is a amazing buck and congrats goes out to these hunters on a magnificant trophy but this is not the buck in question on the poaching incident....
 
yes i do, and do to the investigation going by the dwr i was asked not to post them on here. as soon as the investigation is over i will be glad to post them, cause everyone deserves to see thim awesome buck, he is a straight 4x4 30-32 inches wide with huge main beams. as you can tell from my description and the pics of this buck do not match.
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-24-07 AT 01:22PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Oct-24-07 AT 12:52?PM (MST)

LAST EDITED ON Oct-24-07 AT 12:48?PM (MST)

Oh so now they are investigating it? Sorry, I thought this post was about how they weren't investigating it. Must be confused like mtk23, hope he doesn't get confused while he is out after one of those other three! suerte chico!



UTROY
Proverbs 21:19 (why I hunt!)
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-24-07 AT 01:23PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Oct-24-07 AT 01:17?PM (MST)

I hope the DWR is able to find the dude that poached him. Glad to see they are investigating it now.

UTROY
Proverbs 21:19 (why I hunt!)
 
Not being part of the Utah crowd on here, I apparantly don't speak UTah, but this thread is confusing as heck. Seems like there was a new story invented about half way down of this buck by 30 something. Anyhow, I hope it gets resolved, and I would definately take these guys up on their possible leads or contacts.
 
I hope they have a suspect, if they don't, it seems like it would be benefitial to post the pics on here and other media friendly places to help to flush this punk out!
 
To all, Stay tuned for tonight. I will have some pictures of The Buck in question. maybe even the one that was poached. plus the one that was taken legally on the second day of the hunt with the broken tine missing.

MTK:)
 
Yay Mitch! Now, I wanna see pics of you with one of these big bucks in the back of your truck. So, get back out there and get one! Good luck MTK!

Jenn
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Take matters into your own hands... Start watching CSI a lot and take notes of past murders that have not been solved. He can't poach anymore if hes dead, just sayin....
 
Sorry for confusion i was told this was the same deer. It sounds like there is a lot of big bucks running around Tropic.
 
Here is a picture of the broken tine buck that I believe was taken in Tropic on the second day. He is a hog.
http://www.monstermuleys.info/dcforum/User_files/4720204d781c3753
Here is another picture of a buck that I believe that bowhunter_UT was talking about. If it is let me know, Lance? I am on your side, I hope they find the SOB that did the poaching. I have watched alot of these deer for three years, and my dad has pictures to document most of these deer. I believe these deer need to be taken legally! It is sad to me to see these deer poached illegally. I hope we become better hunters and look to preserve the rare but awesome Big Mule Deer Buck!!!!!

http://www.monstermuleys.info/dcforum/User_files/472021577be81344
 
Looks like he left off part of the URL. We'll probably have to wait until tonight - I think he's out hunting today.

UTROY
Proverbs 21:19 (why I hunt!)
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-25-07 AT 08:53AM (MST)[p]>Here is a picture of the
>broken tine buck that I
>believe was taken in Tropic
>on the second day.
>He is a hog.
>
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>Here is another picture of a
>buck that I believe that
>bowhunter_UT was talking about.
>If it is let me
>know, Lance? I am
>on your side, I hope
>they find the SOB that
>did the poaching. I have
>watched alot of these deer
>for three years, and my
>dad has pictures to document
>most of these deer. I
>believe these deer need to
>be taken legally! It is
>sad to me to see
>these deer poached illegally.
>I hope we become better
>hunters and look to preserve
>the rare but awesome Big
>Mule Deer Buck!!!!!
>
TropicBuck.jpg
 
Thanks triple K for fixing my pictures. I must be a new user on this site> hey NO deer the last day, I seen a two point 20 yards away, he was just to tiny, It was like a great dane with horns.
 
Anytime, Mitchy! And don't be a stranger around here. Start posting. Roy and I need ya.

Little bro's wife got her first buck tonight...he's getting her hooked on hunting. Maybe we'll come down and go hunting w/you guys again sometime. Good times....good times...

Jenn
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Talk hunting with MTK23. New blog, check it out! So we can leave the poaching issues and talk hunting.
 

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