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SO your Hunting and you see 2 deer come around the ridge one is bleeding on his brisket and the other one is fine but you can tell that the wounded Buck is hurt bad and is the bigger of the 2 bucks so you shootand drop the buck in his track only to find out that the first hunter was following up the wounded buck... you both come to the same point where the deer is dead and look at each other .... Who should tag him ?????

UThunting
Clynt L Citte
Willard Utah
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-17-07 AT 09:24PM (MST)[p]The guy that was following and shot it first. He should thank you and tag it.

JB
 
I will let you all know what happend after I see what you all think should have happend

UThunting
Clynt L Citte
Willard Utah
 
Shoot it and drop it. Then run over and shoot one in the air and claim you hit it twice. Slap your tag on it.

I saw a guy do that once.

What JB said.
 
The guy who should it first should tag it, especially since he was actively tracking the buck, and i agree he should say thank you.
 
I can't believe I agree with D13er. He is 100% correct. Even if it is a monster. A rule is a rule. Ethics 101.
 
WHEN YOU GET UP TO IT YOU NOTICE ITS JUST A 40"ER!!!

YOU KILLED IT BUT YOU DON'T WANT IT!!!

THE GUY TELLS YOU:THATS NOT THE BUCK I SHOT!!!

3 OTHER TARDS RUN IN FROM 1500 YARDS AWAY & ALL 3 OF THEM CLAIM THEY SHOT IT!!!

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THE ONLY bobcat THAT KNOWS ALOT OF YOU HAVE HAD THIS IMAGE IN YOUR PEA BRAIN BUT DUE TO POOR SHOOTING TACTICS I'M STILL KICKIN!!!
 
1st shot should tag it then u get to go hunt more and maybe shot two deer in the same year
 
I agree that the first shooter, the tracker, should receive the buck. Now if it is a large enough deer, and would be hard for you to part with, go ahead and give the deer to the original shooter, but see if he would be willing to make repo's of the antlers for you, even at your expense. That way, you both walk away with something.


Who knows if the buck would have presented you with the shot had the other hunter not had been pushing the buck originally.

A lot of what-if's but all said and done, enjoy seeing a big buck close up, and than go find a bigger one! :)
 
I had an incident where my wife (ex) shot a buck but it was still on it's feet. Blew it's entire throat wide open(sorry for the graphics) and it was dead on it's feet!
We heard a "boom" and the buck dropped.
The guy ran right down there yellin "i got it, i got it". Well we argued over and over about it, his excuse was "If it's still on it's feet it's fair game".

Then he gave me a sob story that he had his daughter with him and it was his only day to hunt and his daughter really wanted to see daddy shoot a deer.

The coin was tossed and we lost.
As i gathered up all our gear, i turned to his little girl and said "I sure hope your proud of your daddy and will always remember how he stole a dead deer from a woman", then proceeded on my way.







Skull Krazy
"No Bones About It"
 
It should always be first blood. First shooter tags the buck and second shooter continues to hunt and hopes for a bigger buck
 
You saw blood ? Knew it was wounded ?
Put it down and help the guy out.
Best part is...your stll hunting, and he's done.
 
Ohhh Boy you guys are going to make me look bad and not for the reason you all think


UThunting
Clynt L Citte
Willard Utah
 
First blood. Rules are rules. We have only broke that rule one time. My bro wounded a big buck with his muzzleloader and we tracked it until the blood ran out, then we tracked him over a mile. We stayed on him and eventually jumped him from his bed and our buddy put him down with a great shot at a running buck. Upon inspection we found that my brother had just grazed the buck and he really wasn't hurt much. My brother let our friend tag it since his shot would not have killed the buck.
 
How do you know that this guy actually was the one to shoot it first. Did you hear a gun shot? Maby this guy was hiking up the trail and cut the track with blood in it and was following it. Maybe he saw it running wounded too and was trying to get to it too and then just claimed he was the one who shot it. I would have to be there to see his face and hear his story to determine if the guy was telling the truth. The big thing is the gun shot, if you heard one then the story is probably true. You arrived at the same time and you said that the deer was wounded and I would have no problem giving it to him if his story was beleivable. Ethics does say that you should give it to the person who draws first blood.
 
If the original hit would have been lethal, then first blood is correct. If he merely scratched it or hit it in the neck muscles, that Buck could go for miles before stopping. In that case its up to the two hunters to decide between themselves.
 
257tony got it right in my opinion. Depending on the sutuation, it is important to work it out as best you can.
 
Unless spined, archery usually always ends up in a stalk. Some real long. Would hate to come around the corner and see a second arrow stuck in the deer I shot and a hunter dressing it knowing my shot was going to be lethal. So much for allowing time for the deer to bed or expire.
 
Clint:

You do the right thing, put the wounded buck down, and if someone comes for it (which should likely be expected anymore) you say glad I could help you out.

Replica antlers? Damn, you guys are way to into this "big" buck fever. Its a wonder more people are not murdered in the hills. Go on your way with CLASS knowing you did the right thing and hunt some more.
 
Shootinphool - if you question the guys story - you really don't care about ethics anyway - so my guess is you would have it tagged already.
 
>I had an incident where my
>wife (ex) shot a buck
>but it was still on
>it's feet. Blew it's entire
>throat wide open(sorry for the
>graphics) and it was dead
>on it's feet!
>We heard a "boom" and the
>buck dropped.
>The guy ran right down there
>yellin "i got it, i
>got it". Well we argued
>over and over about it,
>his excuse was "If it's
>still on it's feet it's
>fair game".
>
>Then he gave me a sob
>story that he had his
>daughter with him and it
>was his only day to
>hunt and his daughter really
>wanted to see daddy shoot
>a deer.
>
>The coin was tossed and we
>lost.
>As i gathered up all our
>gear, i turned to his
>little girl and said "I
>sure hope your proud of
>your daddy and will always
>remember how he stole a
>dead deer from a woman",
>then proceeded on my way.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Skull Krazy
>"No Bones About It"


The fact that you argued over it in front of the guys little girl speaks volumes about YOUR character. GET REAL>
 
>Shootinphool - if you question the
>guys story - you really
>don't care about ethics anyway
>- so my guess is
>you would have it tagged
>already.


Who are you to tell me that I don't care about ethics. You do not know me at all if you beleive this. I get lied to on a daily basis and this world is full of people that can make up some whoppers of lies on the spot. All I was trying to say is that it would depend on the situation, and how things unfolded. What a presumptious and ignorant thing to do, judging someone and labeling them unethical without meeting them or knowing them, you are a real winner in my book!
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-18-07 AT 10:15AM (MST)[p]Almost as presumptuous as questioning someones story in the hills.

If you care so much about a dead deer to call into question someones honesty in the mountains, you're the loser in my book.

Im not saying you are a loser or unethical, but if you questions someones story like your post said, I think that is lame. Of course you will never know what happened - but be the bigger dude.

Just my .02.
 
Buckstopshere: I could not agree more. If slamdunk's story is actually true, then he is much worse than the idiot that doubled up on the deer. Who says that kind of crap to a kid?
 
Oh and PS shootinphool - most people are not liars, and if you think most people you meet are liars, you my friend are part of the problem with shizzy hunters, not the solution.
 
I agree with the thought that the first shooter gets the buck. As long as that is the true story then I believe the deer belongs the shooter number 1.

horse sense
 
did you even read my earlier post? I was saying that If it sounded fishy then I might have a problem giving him the deer, not that I would give him the third degree and get ten refrences of charictor and check every one of them before I gave him the deer.
 
I would walk RITE up to those hunters and demand my buck. LOL How could these guys steal a buck from a women is beyond me. If Clynt would of read to these guys what the proc says his wife would of walked off with the buck. Russ
ps I'll let Clynt finish the story.
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-18-07 AT 10:33AM (MST)[p]When I was a kid my grandfather shot a deer that ran over the ridge after another hunter, who we knew, had gone up the ridge. We had heard the first hunter shoot once. The ridge was pine covered and it would have been a tough shot. The deer ran down the ridge and about fifteen minutes after the hunter shot, we put the deer down. It acted fine, no evidence of being shot. When we got to it, we could see that the first hunter had grazed its back but certainly not a lethal shot. We dragged the deer to camp - my grandfather tagged it. Later that evening when the first hunter came through our camp my grandfather told him the story, showed him the graze mark (which took quite a patch of meat off just above the backbone) and offered the hunter the deer. The hunter graciously said, no thats OK, thank you for taking it though so that it didn't go curl up and die overnight. What classy folks, both of them. THis is how I was raised, and this is how it should be.

Thanks for reading, and my that entire hunting party I was with in 1986 rest in peace.
 
I don't agree with the first blood rule. That's not a law by the way. It's a tough call that you two may have to just work out but just beacuse he was wounded doesn't mean the first guy would have even found him.
 
There is no right or wrong. It depends on the situation, and hopefully two mature adults that can come to a descion with out being morons.

Now lets here the story.
 
Well if it is me hunting then it is easy, you can have the buck. Doesn't matter how big he is, I may want a pic though.
 
In all honesty, I think letter of the law is that the person that tags an animal takes possession of the animal - regardless.

This is from Boone and Crockett (link provided):



FAIR CHASE STATEMENT
FAIR CHASE, as defined by the Boone and Crockett Club, is the ethical, sportsmanlike, and lawful pursuit and taking of any free-ranging wild, native North American big game animal in a manner that does not give the hunter an improper advantage over such animals.

HUNTER ETHICS
Fundamental to all hunting is the concept of conservation of natural resources. Hunting in today's world involves the regulated harvest of individual animals in a manner that conserves, protects, and perpetuates the hunted population. The hunter engages in a one-to-one relationship with the quarry and his or her hunting should be guided by a hierarchy of ethics related to hunting, which includes the following tenets:

1. Obey all applicable laws and regulations.

2. Respect the customs of the locale where the hunting occurs.

3. Exercise a personal code of behavior that reflects favorably on your abilities and sensibilities as a hunter.

4. Attain and maintain the skills necessary to make the kill as certain and quick as possible.

5. Behave in a way that will bring no dishonor to either the hunter, the hunted, or the environment.

6. Recognize that these tenets are intended to enhance the hunter's experience of the relationship between predator and prey, which is one of the most fundamental relationships of humans and their environment.


http://www.boone-crockett.org/huntingEthics/ethics_fairchase.asp?area=huntingEthics
 
If the first shooter puts in a mortal shot it is his deer. That is the reasonable thing to do for everyones sake. Thats our camp policy. There is some grey area there on occasion but it is a good starting point. Like Rodney King says "why can't we all just get along".
 
In 2002 I was sitting on a ridge and heard shooting in the ledges below me. Within about a minute or so a nice buck pushing 30" wide come zipping up the ridge to within about 75yds of me! I couldn't see anything wrong with the buck at all and he was covering ground fast. I shot the buck and dropped him in his tracks. About 10 minutes later, as I was starting to clean the buck, a 17 year old kid shows up huffing and puffing and says, "oh, you got him huh". I said yep, and asked if it was him down below that was doing the shooting. He said that it was and that the buck I shot was the one he was after. I told him if we could find anyplace on the buck where one of his bullets had hit it that he could take the buck, no questions asked. We poked and peeled all over the thing together and finally found a little scrape on the one leg where the buck was missing some hair. It didn't even draw blood but looked as if the buck had either been grazed by a bullet or maybe slipped in the rocks while running. I told the kid that he was welcome to take the buck if he'd like and that I'd even help him pack it off the mountain and back to his camp. I also told him that without his help in scaring the thing up to me I would most likely have not had a chance to see or shoot it anyway. Even at 17 years old he the young man refused to take the buck because the wound was so superficial. I finally convinced him we should flip a coin and that we would decide who would take the buck by doing so. I knew he really wanted the buck and so did I but I also wanted it to be fair. He lost the coin toss and even then I told him that he could still take the buck if he'd like. In the end I tagged the buck and took him home. Thank goodness there are a few good guys out there too.

NvrEnuf
 
"FAIR CHASE STATEMENT
FAIR CHASE, as defined by the Boone and Crockett Club, is the ethical, sportsmanlike, and lawful pursuit and taking of any free-ranging wild, native North American big game animal in a manner that does not give the hunter an improper advantage over such animals."

Hummmm.....that could open a can of worms.
 
NVR - awesome story. If you read the B&C fair chase ethics I posted above - your story is what its all about.

Luckily for me, the oddest situation I have ever encountered was someone telling me the buck I shot was the buck they were after as they came through camp. But, I would like to think I would act like you and the 17 year old did if presented with such a situation.

Again, NVR - class act. Im gonna buy your vid.
 
First blood is the general rule.

However, if I know someone has hit a buck and is trakcing or otherwise persuing it....I ain't shootin' it. Just don't want to go there.

In Arkansas and Texas, it depends on who has the best cover and the most extra bullets....LOL
 
Thebuckstopshere, don't go waisting your money on any of those Never Enough DVD's on my account. Prism here on MM just stoled my name and stuck it on his video series. I didn't have anything to do with it! :)

All kidding aside Paul has made some great DVD's and they are definitely worth what you'll pay and more. Truth be known Paul is a MUCH better man than I am also...

NvrEnuf
 
First blood thing doesn't hold much water with me. There aren't many deer I would fight over. In some situations, it would be hard to tell who hit it where. Coin toss, hopefully the people involved have enough maturity and understanding to come to a solution in a sportsman like mannor. The looser of the coin toss should help clean the deer, then go after the second deer. The winner of the coin toss should be grateful to the loser, and possibly help the person find another deer of his own. The thing that gets me, is some people treat others like trash over stuff like this. The real question is, what are you going to do when you fight this guy, then go to a job interview six months later only to find out he's the boss. Treat others with respect no matter what the situation (I need to practice what I preach) because you NEVER know when it will pay off for you later.
 
Ummmm, we DID "find a deer of our own to shoot" woody, and my wife shot it with a lethal one shot kill!

The buck never even ran off, it stood there dead in it's tracks waiting to fall when the other guy shot it in the guts.

And if you think we were going to help this a**hole clean "his deer" after what he did, your up in the night!!....or else your a better man than i am.

And if i went to a job interview and saw that this guy was going to be my boss?
I'd turn and walk away cuz i already know he's a selfish crook and he undoubtedly runs a shady business.







Skull Krazy
"No Bones About It"
 
So if you shoot a 210" buck, hypothetically, and turns out that he was already wounded, not knowing if he was going to die, but finished him off thinking you had did it on your own, some people would like to have something to remember it by. I can't afford a mount, let alone replicas, but some people can, and it's just a thought if you have that option, to help you get over it. "Damn, you guys are way to into this "big" buck fever." I like to hunt, for the following reasons; to be in the outdoors, whether or not I shoot something or not, to be with my father and friends, the companionship, the quality ME time. Obviously, everybody would like to shoot a "big" buck, but that does not rule my decisions while in the woods. I was just offering a possible solution.
 
In 2000 I found a nice 5x4 buck with some does out on a sage flat. I got on the buck and took a 300 yard shot in the wind. The sound of the shot was quickly followed up by the thwack of a hit. All hell broke loose and the buck took off down a draw and headed towards the river. I sat down and figured he'd pile up in the draw as I collected my stuff. Seconds later a shot rang out and I huried my pace. I was on private property and figured somebody else in my party might have got a shot at a buck running with this one. I headed out to the edge of the flat and saw a guy down below by the river fishing a buck out of the water. I headed down to meet the guy who was soaking wet and damn near frozen. At first I was ticked, this guy was trespassing and had just put a second round into my biggest buck to date.
Upon further review, we found two shots, one in the guts, one in the hind quarter. Neither of them were impressive, but both would have killed the buck (or he may have drowned). I was hot an told the guy I would call the sheriff if he didn't leave. He did. After a few minutes of holding the buck and thinking it over, I had a change of heart. I called my Dad on the radio and he was able to cut the guy off before he hit the highway. I had the guy come back and we worked it out. For me it was easy. I didn't feel like he was my buck. I had no idea which shot was mine. If I had jhandled my business and put a quality shot on him, there would be no issue. I took some pictures with the buck and helped the guy load it up. If he hadn't drug him out of the river, the buck may have been lost for good in the swift water. The guy was pretty excited noting it was his best buck ever. He was also apologetic about being on private property. This was a new piece of property attached to our lease. It seems the old owner used to let all comers on his land, the guy had hunted here before and was unaware of the ownerhip change. There was nothing sneaky about this guy or his story. I saw him a day later with the buck proudly displayed in the truck bed heading home. He agreed to stay off the ranch, and I have never come across him since.

All in all, it was a good conclusion. The buck didn't go to waste, the guy went away happy, and I wound up shooting a better buck. Best off all, there was no yelling, no one was ever in jeopardy of getting hurt, and we worked it out like men.

five_point_buck
C.B.C.S.
 
buckstopshere & hogliver-

Although i agree the kid didn't need to see any of that, but her father is the one who invited it...not me.

If that dip shiz wants to teach his kid how to steal, ESPECIALLY from another woman, by God i'm not going to stand there and condone it or be the victim!!

Don't judge my character so easily, i don't take theft very lightly and i don't know many that do.

I guess you guys are better men than me and will let someone walk all over you and steal right from your pocket. Go ahead i say....but i really doubt you'd stand there and let it happen without saying anything, regardless of who else might be there to witness it.

I hope that girl learned a valuable lesson that day, and will always remember that her father is an unethical theif and will do whatever it takes to get what he wants.

And personally....i feel pretty sorry for her having to learn how her dad is.

Maybe the next year when he came home she'd ask him when he walks through the door..
"Did ya steal another one daddy, just like the last one? Your such a good hunter daddy, you always keep our freezer full no matter what and i love you for that."






Skull Krazy
"No Bones About It"
 
Another time that I was just thinking about was not quite as pleasant as the one I mentioned previously. I was out west of town on the 3rd day of the hunt. Tired and sore feet so I thought I'd just mozzy around a little in the flat lands with my 4 year old and enjoy the day. Well we spotted a few bucks here and there but nothing we wanted to hang our tag on. One time while glassing some bucks in a sage flat a guy and his son came bouncing up the road in a 2 wheel drive truck. They stopped a couple hundred yards below us and I glassed down to them. I figured they were just hanging back so they wouldn't mess up our chances. I waved them to come up and shortly after realized they were stuck. The guy beat the tar out of his truck trying to get up a little rocky spot in the road and then finally gave up and both of them started to walk up the road. The guy weighed about 400lbs and was having a hard time just walking up the road, let alone climbing any mountains. They were from Cali and he was trying to help his 14 year old out on his first hunt. I told them that there was a small 4pt in the sage just a couple hundred yards above us and that I would be happy to help the young boy try to get a shot at the buck. We worked our way to a good vantage point while the boys dad watched below. I carried my 4yr old on my shoulders with us. Finally we were in a good spot and the 14 year old pulled the trigger. He hit the buck hard but it didn't go down. We hiked up and cut the blood trail and followed it up over the ridge only to find some idiots had already tagged the buck and were gutting it! I was so shocked that at first I was thinking it must be a different buck. When I saw how the guys were acting and then realized it was exactly the same buck I was amazed. We had not heard any shots at all that morning so they didn't even finish the thing off! My 4yr old, the 14yr old boy and I stood about 100yds above these idiots and as I looked through the binocs at the tag on the buck's antlers the 14yr old boy asked me, "do you think that is my buck?" I said in a loud voice, "it WAS your buck but it looks like those idiots had to steal it from you. I guess they can't shoot their own buck so they have to steal one from a 14yr old kid." Both guys looked up for a split second and then buried their heads back toward the buck and went to gutting. What a joke... We just walked back up over the ridge and explained to the boys dad what had happened. My guess is that poor 14yr old kid won't be begging to go hunting again anytime soon. I did my best to explain to him that most people are not that way but I guess there are always going to be a few bad apples.

NvrEnuf
 
WAY TO GO NVRENUF!!!
Your son saw "the real world" and how many sensless theifs there are out there that will go to any length just for a freakin deer, nor were you a jack a** for expressing your feelings in front of him.

Just like the young girl in MY story....she learned "the real world" and how her dad is on the opossing team. I just really hope she doesn't grow up just like him.






Skull Krazy
"No Bones About It"
 
>Ummmm, we DID "find a deer
>of our own to shoot"
>woody, and my wife shot
>it with a lethal one
>shot kill!
>
>The buck never even ran off,
>it stood there dead in
>it's tracks waiting to fall
>when the other guy shot
>it in the guts.
>
>And if you think we were
>going to help this a**hole
>clean "his deer" after what
>he did, your up in
>the night!!....or else your a
>better man than i am.
>
>
>And if i went to a
>job interview and saw that
>this guy was going to
>be my boss?
>I'd turn and walk away cuz
>i already know he's a
>selfish crook and he undoubtedly
>runs a shady business.
>
>

Calm down pal, I was refering to the original question. No reference to you or your hunt intended. Pretty crappy to shoot a deer you just watched someone else shot. That is a whole 'nother story. Would have pissed me off too.
 
Sorry woody, i get wound up sometimes.
I read WAY too many bobcat posts i guess!! :)




Skull Krazy
"No Bones About It"
 
WOW sorry I didnt know you was all waiting .....

Well my Wife is the one that made the first shot she made a great shot infact I will try and post it here on MM as we videoed it... Well my wife was tracking the Buck when someone shot it... he was with 2 other guys and they made it clear that they figured it was theres??? I was not going to sit in a deep canyon fighting over a deer with 3 guys that had rifles...
So we let them take it:( One of the other guys I think was the kids dad that shot he said he told his son to shoot it as it was wounded I should also say that the kid that shot it was not a kid he was in his 30s.... He knew how I felt about it when I left them..... I just feel like maybe I should have not woosed out and just told them to go get the fish and game to figure it out but it was in a bad place and at a bad time.... I wanted to get a honest answer from everyone on MM so that is why I stated it the way I did in the original post....

P.S the buck was 27" wide had a sticker on his right side and had the coolest eyeguards that where about 5 to 6 inches he grossed 178" I will post pictures tonight of the wound and the buck thanks all for the info

UThunting
Clynt L Citte
Willard Utah
 
Last week-end of season just last year I was hunting and heard a shot above me. About 10 minutes later I glassed a buck under the oaks. All I could see was head and neck. I had a good rest and made a good 200 yard shot. It was a 3X4 blacktail. When I got over to him I noticed he had been gut shot. Just then a guy came walking down the mountain. I asked him if he had shot earlier. He said yes, but he thought he missed because he didn't find any blood. I said "you didn't miss, here he is right here". He was very happy and appriciative. I offered to help drag it out to the road, but he had a radio and called for his buddy to help.

I'm not looking for a pat on the back. That's just the way we've always done it. And personally, I don't want a buck that someone else shot. Even if the wound was superficial and the guy was following it up, it's his deer.

Eel
 
Eelgrass-
You may not feel a pat on the back is warranted, but i'm giving you one anyways (don't blush).
Your a stud bro....that's how it SHOULD be done!!!








Skull Krazy
"No Bones About It"
 
UT............your wife was "deerjacked"!.....sort of like I was sayin, you were outnumbered.

Let her know she was the better "man"...........in my book anyway.

"Alas, the world is fright with heathens, varlots and brigands of every sort and their numbers are legion!"
 
I could not claim a deer someone else shot first.
If I shot first and someone finished it I could go either way about giving it up. If the person was a jerk I would insist on claiming the deer just for the principle. If the person was cool I would let them have it. For me its not about the kill it's about the adventure. If I gave it away then the hunt would not be over.
 
ITS A GOOD DAMN THING I WASN'T THERE TO SEE THE WHOLE DEAL!!!

WE'D OF SEEN JUST HOW DAMN MEAN THE 3 HUNTERS WITH RIFLES WERE!!!

THEN TO TAKE THE BUCK FROM A LADY!!!

FIND OUT WHO THESE JOKERS ARE Clinte & POST THEIR NAMES HERE WORLDWIDE RIGHT HERE ON MM!!!

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THE ONLY bobcat THAT KNOWS ALOT OF YOU HAVE HAD THIS IMAGE IN YOUR PEA BRAIN BUT DUE TO POOR SHOOTING TACTICS I'M STILL KICKIN!!!
 
I know the shooters name and phone number I just hate to post it. Or should I post it for vengence ???

P.S I am still going to post some photos here on MM tonight so that you can all see the wound and the Buck

UThunting
Clynt L Citte
Willard Utah
 
If you can, please post their names. I had several men attempt to take my FIRST elk.

I do not advocate getting into a tiff with armed people, but it was my first elk. RIGHT IS RIGHT.

Two "hunters" took a BIG deer from a younger brother one time....they actually made him drag it. That was over 30 years ago. Jerks have always been around.
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-18-07 AT 09:54PM (MST)[p]I have read a couple of posts that suggest that someone might not have been honest...

Well I agree that would change the story but we do have it all on film as I was videoing it and yes I did let them watch the video

Another thing is the guy that shot it the second time said that he did not know it was wounded when we first ran into him but then his dad said that he told him to shoot the wounded Buck so I guess he was lying ?????

Also up to that point no one had taged the deer he just said that it was his and I did not feel like fighting it out with 3 guys with guns I would not say that he was a jerk about it he just said it was his and that is how it is......

Here are some photos

First here is the exit wound the bullet entered behind the right leg and exited the left brisket

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Here is a couple pictures of the buck

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Last year while elk hunting I knocked down a nice 6X6 (lung shot). It got back up and staggered over the top of the ridge before I could finish it off. When I climbed to the ridge I heard a shot over the other side. A fellow from Chicago on his first elk hunt saw it come staggering over the ridge and shot it. He and his guide got to the elk at the same time as I did. They realized what had happened and the guide quickly said "you drew first blood it is yours". He took his client and started to walk off. The poor Chicago guy looked like he was gut shot but didn't argue or say anything! I called them back over and told them they could take the elk since Chicago delivered the final blow. The guy was on cloud nine. We took pictures of all three of us with the elk and even measured it (310, no trophy just a nice bull). I have killed lots of elk and that may be Chicago's only elk ever. Don't claim to know who's bull it should have been but in this case I was glad I gave it up to him & felt everybody involved tried to act like true sportsmen. If it had been 380 I would hope I would have done the same thing.
WYHunter
 
i hate jackass's like that, my son wounded a buck a few years ago and as we were walking up the draw following the blood some guy killed it as the deer was beded, he was hit good and we were only 70 yards from the deer, we almost gave it up but I got alittle kocky and he backed down and let us have 'em...

thanks Guys if your still out there...N. Cali...
 
Damn the luck Clynt!

Ya made the safe decision that is for sure... isn't your Mrs pregnant...she aint getting in a fist fight!

Nice buck though.

Robb
 
Had an Elk stole from me on the last rifle hunt I ever did in Utah. Was my first elk with a rifle and was just a teenage kid at the time. I had hit it twice (Not great shots but lethal). It ran up over a ridge and I hightailed it up over the ridge to get another shot. As soon as I got to the top, the Elk stood up and I readied for the shot only to hear a bang and watch my Elk drop. Guy almost shot me since I was in a direct line with the elk in between him and me.

Thing I cannot believe is that you showed the guy video of your wife shooting the buck, and he still claimed it was his. What a ****head.

BTW- After that incident with a rifle, I have hunted bow pretty much ever since. I hate all the jerks on the rifle hunt.
 
2006

I shot a nice 4x4. Another guy was shooting at it from 300 yards free hand. I had to climb nearly strait up, and he side hilled over to the buck. I knew I killed the buck but we discussed it, and I agreed to let him tag the buck. I kind of regretted it, but ended up killing a killer 185 inch 8x10 later in the year.

2007

I watched two guys shoot a 4x4 that was heading up a draw toward me. He was not the Monster Muley I was after! They shot his front leg off, below the knee. When the buck got to me, I finished him off. I waved the hunters over, and gave them every opportunity to tag the buck. They declined! I tagged it - end of hunt.
 
I had almost this exact thing happen to me when I was 17. I was sitting on the edege of a canyon and heard some shots. Then I see this little buck come running out with his guts dragging and a hunter following him. I am up high and can see it all, the hunter is running through some thick brush and can't see the deer - well it crosses the canyon and I yell out to him where it is going. I have a clear shot, I ask the guy if he wants me to put it down. "Yes, please, help me out" is his reply. The buck is a big two point with a third point about one inch long that I could clearly see glistening in the sun light, but hard to tell if it is a legal point or not. We are in the Bookcliffs, which was a 3 pt. or better area at the time. So in my best 17 yr. old judgement, I shoot the buck twice but he still doesn't go down but my hits were leathal. I watch the buck go until he disappears in the brush and then the dude comes up the hill and I show him the blood trail. The buck is trailing up a small side canyon, going along the edge. The dude (he is older than me - probably early 20's) and I decide to split up, that I will follow the blood trail and he will go in the bottom of the side canyon, a wash really, and we should find him soon. So I am following the blood around some trees and bushes when I hear from back across the canyon where the dude came from some one yelling "Russell!" well about 40 yards later I find the buck almost dead in the bottom of the wash and start talking to the dude - no answer. I begin to ask him if he wants me to cut its throat - no answer. I look back up the wash to where the dude should have been and guess what - no Russell in sight. So here I am with a barely legal maybe not even legal dead buck that should have been his. So I clean it out and finally my dad comes over and we go back to the canyon and begin yelling for the guy to come get his buck - no answer.

What should I have done?

A. Leave the buck there and trust that he would come back and get it?

B. Tag the buck and be pissed off for two weeks and run the risk of getting a ticket for shooting an illegal buck?

C. Drag the buck back over across the canyon and tell him that it was his mess and to live with the consequences?


UTROY
Proverbs 21:19 (why I hunt!)
 
The only problem with this thread is that it doesn't reach everyone that hunts. I feel that most guys/gals on MM would do the right thing whatever the circumstance is. But there are many among us who don't care about ethics. This is pretty apparent from all of these stories and 4 wheelers in the primitive (sorry bobcat for stealing your thunder). We as a hunting group are looked at as blood thirsty red necks. The problem with this view is, that there are just enough bad eggs to make the whole hen house look bad. It's too bad everyone can't be like you people on MM(well most of you anyways, lol).
 
Crazy story almost the same as mine. I hit a buck in the knee and tracked him for a whole day without finding him. The next morning I got on his tracks again i found his bed i must have spoked him out his leg was dragging i could see it in the dirt. About ten min after i herd two shots i got there just as they where leaving all i had of my big buck was a gut pile and a bone from his knee where i had hit him. TOP it all off the kid who killed him comes to show off the buck like he is some great hunting who killed this big buck. Anyway it's a one i'll never forget. And no i didn't end up with the buck.
 
Here is my post from another thread.

>Tough call. My bro put a buck down that had been hit but would >no doubt have lived...a small flesh wound on the ham.It was a >trophy buck, and he did not know it had been hit prior to >killing it. To avoid further conflict, the guy that wounded >the buck ended up with the deer. Long story short the guy >ended up not even having a tag. He shot the deer for his >wife.He was cited and his wife was allowed to keep the >deer.Talk about BS! This happened in Utah. Situations like >this really comes down to ethics and honesty. Do you really >want a monster buck hanging on your wall that you didn't >legitimately put there. If the answer is yes, I guess we know >what kind of hunter you are.
In hind sight I would have never let that guy keep that buck my bro shot nor would my bro. I would have called in the fish and game and had them settle the matter and we are confident they would have sided with us. Your wifes buck looked to have been mortally wounded. She should have tagged it. I know exactly how you feel though! Arguing with a bunch of guys toting guns is an uncomfortable situation nobody wants to be in.
One thing to ponder is everytime that guy looks at that buck on his wall he will always no he shot a mortally wounded deer.

Mike
 
RE: What would the right thing be to do

Well It looks like about a 95% Pro first shooter
I can also see why some think its the person that puts it down tags it... As if they shoot and drop it they have just put there tag on the line probably more so then the first person...
But I sure would have liked to see my wife finish the job...
But that is not what happend and the second shooter did make a great shot and droped the buck in his tracks!!!! It would have been really hard to give this buck up to the first shooter if it was me that was the second shooter but I would have. But this time the second shooter felt like he should tag it.. Thats fine .. I wish he would have been more honest about seeing that it was wounded first before he shot as it left a bad tast in my mouth for his honesty???? I know for a fact that this buck would have been recoverd by my wife it would have not ran into the other hunter first....... But this is all here say and can not account for nothing.... I just hope that this will never happen again and I wish there was some kind of writen law on such a case as it is sure to happen again and again......
I just hope that this plants a seed into some of your heads so if and when it happens to you you do the right thing...... I will try and post the video of the shot today if I can thanks all for your thoughts.. This Post was made just so that I would know what the right thing to do was, and to be honest I wish I would have talked it out more with the other person(s) Buut I should be glad that there is not a dead or dieing deer in southeastern Idaho under some ceder tree.....

P.S There is a differance from a mortally wounded deer and a wounded deer!!!!!!!!!!!

UThunting
Clynt L Citte
Willard Utah
 
RE: What would the right thing be to do

LAST EDITED ON Oct-22-07 AT 04:20PM (MST)[p]
I personally think each situation is different depending on the hit and the amount of time that passes after you shoot it and when someone comes to claim it. If a I saw a wounded deer and droped it. I would take exception to guy walking up an hour later after I had field dressed it and him saying it was his deer. However if it was within a few minutes I would likley congratulate him and go on my way. There are no easy answers because every gun shot wound has the potential to be leathal. Some take seconds other take days or even weeks. It really is a tough call. Do you not shoot and let someone maybe continue to track it or do you take the shot and leave it or do you claim it? There's too many varibles to say there is only one right answer here. The best you can do is to be civil and as adult as you can and hope the other party does the same.

In the orginal situation described, I personally would walk away from the buck, maybe not happily but I would none the less.

I had a relative shoot a small bull elk and ended up tracking it for close to a mile and half, uphill and over rock shale, etc. It went up a long draw only to cross a road and a guy that was with his wife dropped it. My relative reached the elk about 20-30 minutes after it was dead and as he approached the couple he said they looked rather concerned. He walked right up to the elk, checked to make sure it was the one he had hit, then turned to the couple and said: Congratualtions! I just wanted to make sure this was the same one, since you finished him he's your bull. Then off he went to look for another. According to the majority here on MM the couple should have been the ones that left the elk. I agree.

I can only hope I never have to be in that situation. As far as the comment in front of the little girl goes. If her dad stole then he stole it. There's no need to sugarcoat the truth. Then again if we weren't actually there then who are we to judge what was said. I'm sure that more then one game animal has been won over in these situations with a little sob story or two.
 
I am the guy who killed the buck that started this controversy and all I can say is WOW!! This was definately the most mature way to handle this conflict. The originator of this thread was classy enough to post this on the World Wide Web rather than discuss his issues with me. Let me first quote from "The Rules of Monster Muley's Message Board":

* No threads are allowed that single out an individual. If you have a problem with someone, or disagree with the way in which a person acts or what a person has done, take it up with them. DO NOT post it in our forums.

Well this individual has my phone number,(which I gladly gave him in the field so we could discuss a possible replica mount for his wife. My brother is a taxidermist and we offered to help her with a replica mount.) but he has decided rather than calling me, he will use a forum on a web site to trash me and call me a liar. Now that is class!! Since I do not have his phone number, I will respond here and fill in some details that were conveniently ommitted. He is welcome to call me anytime.
* This buck was originally shot at first light approximately 7:30am (I saw the video).
* I shot the buck the second time 2 hours later at 9:30am, approximately 2 MILES from the original shot. The buck was moving fine, and headed into a deep wooded draw. The only way I could tell the buck was wounded was by seeing blood on his front leg through my scope. The two bucks were similar in size, and I felt the ethical thing to do was shoot the wounded one (my bad, I guess I should have shot the healthy deer and hoped that someone found the wounded one later.) I had no idea anyone was tracking him.
* It was said that the bullet entered behind the right leg and exited the left brisket. I still have the cape and can show anyone interested that the bullet entered in front of the right leg, in the brisket, and exited the left part of the brisket. The bullet went through the brisket meat and never touched any bone, chest cavity, or vitals. Granted it left a big hole in the brisket meat, but this buck was not stopping any time soon.
* It was also said that I lied about knowing the buck was wounded. The first thing I said to the first shooter after they told me they were tracking a wounded deer was "I just shot a deer right over there that looked like he was wounded." I do not appreciate being called a liar and had no reason to lie.

Though the original story makes me and my dad out to be hot headed jerks ready to threaten with guns (we did not even carry our guns to retrieve the deer), I felt we were very non-confrontational and even offered to help with a replica mount. In fact we all stood and shared hunting stories for 20 minutes before parting. I got to hear about the ladies monster buck she had killed the year before and the daughter's hunt on the Never Enough video. Sorry for not having sympathy for a lady hunter, but it sounded like she had killed more big bucks than I have ever seen.

It is unfortunate that the biggest buck I have ever killed has to be tainted with this.

The subject of this forum was "What would the rite (right) thing be to do?" The answer to that question is to handle conflicts like an adult and discuss them...DON'T use a web site forum to trash the person to the whole world!! Classy!!
 
Regardless how you have been made to look, first blood is first blood. Everyone I know and everyone THEY know follow this rule.
 
007 - "your" buck was tainted long before the story hit the web and you know it. If you can live with taking some lady's deer just because she has killed deer before, then good for you. Sounds like he gave you every chance to make it right before he posted the story. Just own your actions and don't use the "MM rules" as a sheild.

Andy

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LAST EDITED ON Oct-30-07 AT 02:27PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Oct-30-07 AT 02:18?PM (MST)

* No threads are allowed that single out an individual. If you have a problem with someone, or disagree with the way in which a person acts or what a person has done, take it up with them. DO NOT post it in our forums.

Answer .Who was singled out I never gave a name and infact took your face of the picture in this post

*Well this individual has my phone number,(which I gladly gave him in the field so we could discuss a possible replica mount for his wife. My brother is a taxidermist and we offered to help her with a replica mount.) but he has decided rather than calling me, he will use a forum on a web site to trash me and call me a liar

Answer..I never gave out your Name or number.. And I feel like I never trashed you in any way and I never did call you a liar (but will say that you did push the time out when you say 2 hours and 2 miles is a FAR CRY from 1000 yrds )

*It was said that the bullet entered behind the right leg and exited the left brisket. I still have the cape and can show anyone interested that the bullet entered in front of the right leg, in the brisket, and exited the left part of the brisket.

Answer...I will post the Video soon so everyone can watch it

*I shot the buck the second time 2 hours later at 9:30am, approximately 2 MILES from the original shot. The buck was moving fine, and headed into a deep wooded draw. The only way I could tell the buck was wounded was by seeing blood on his front leg through my scope. The two bucks were similar in size, and I felt the ethical thing to do was shoot the wounded one (my bad, I guess I should have shot the healthy deer and hoped that someone found the wounded one later.) I had no idea anyone was tracking him.

Answers...2 Hours ????Close but not quite
2 Miles??????????????? more like 800 to 1000 yrds

Answer..You did say you had no idea it was wounded when you shot it .. It was your father that said he seen it was wounded


*Granted it left a big hole in the brisket meat, but this buck was not stopping any time soon.

Answer...I would totally disagree watch the Video

*Though the original story makes me and my dad out to be hot headed jerks ready to threaten with guns (we did not even carry our guns to retrieve the deer), I felt we were very non-confrontational and even offered to help with a replica mount. In fact we all stood and shared hunting stories for 20 minutes before parting. I got to hear about the ladies monster buck she had killed the year before and the daughter's hunt on the Never Enough video. Sorry for not having sympathy for a lady hunter, but it sounded like she had killed more big bucks than I have ever seen.

Answer...Totally agree that it was not a hot headed deal and no one threatened anyone infact I stated that you just made it clear you thought the buck was yours I was not going to get into a fight over it.. And I said I would not sit there and fight it out with you


*And even offered to help with a replica mount

Answer...Who wants a replica if they feel like it should be theres

*Sorry for not having sympathy for a lady hunter, but it sounded like she had killed more big bucks than I have ever seen.

Answer...Whats that got to do with anything who cares if she shot 100 Big Bucks. So if she had not shot a deer it would have been hers????? And if it would have been her first deer there would have been more of a argument Over the deer

*It is unfortunate that the biggest buck I have ever killed has to be tainted with this.


Answer..If you say you killed it go with it.I have no problam with you saying that as your shot did finish the deer off. But it was wounded and the hunter was on it, that is the facts!!!!

*The subject of this forum was "What would the rite (right) thing be to do?" The answer to that question is to handle conflicts like an adult and discuss them...DON'T use a web site forum to trash the person to the whole world!! Classy!!

Answer...Yes I asked "what is the right thing to do" read the posts I never gave names units phone numbers nothing infact I never knocked anyone I just wanted to know what The Right Thing To Do Was.... READ THE POSTS..... Do you think you did the right thing????????

P.S I did show you the Video and everyone in your camp agreed they was suprised it went as far as it did and your father said that it was not doing very well


ALSO please read post 83 I think it shows that I have no hard feeling toward you and I still do not.. But I felt at the time it went all wrong and wanted to know what should have taken place as there is NO written LAW for this case

Sorry you feel that I am Dogging you I really wish you would have read this post close.. As I was just looking for answers I never had any intension of you reading this... But I am glad you did see it... Now just read it....

UThunting
Clynt L Citte
Willard Utah
[email protected]
 
WOW!!!! This is really sad. I'm ?the Kid?s? brother, and yes I was one of those 3 ?jerks? that was enjoying a nice opening day of deer season in Idaho. Mr. Citte, or Clynt whatever you prefer to go by, I can't believe this crap. Since ?the Kid? already told the story, the whole story, what REALLY happened, I'm not going to waste anyone?s time telling it again. I'm just going to point out a couple of oopsy?s in your fabricated story. By the way?..nice start to your thread, you painted a pretty good picture for everybody.

* POST 71 : When we met up with you and your wife, you told us you were following a buck that your wife had shot earlier that morning, and ?the Kid? said, ?well the buck I just shot was bleeding on his front leg, so let's go check him out?
*POST 1: We didn't meet you at the deer, we walked over there together.
*POST 71: ?you didn't want to fight with 3 guys with guns? My gun was at camp Homey, I left my gun in camp so I could start packing the 2 deer we had killed prior to this incident?..and ?the Kid?, and the dad left their guns at the other deer?s kill sight. So your wife was the only one with a gun.
* POST 71 : ?First here is the exit wound the bullet entered behind the right leg and exited the left brisket? ?NOW who's lying??? Your pictures tell the tale. The big hole in the first picture isn't an exit hole, it's where the skin popped from the inside as the bullet expanded. The exit hole is to the left about six inches. The second picture proves that you are fabricating a story. See the bullet hole in front of the right leg?? I do. The other bullet hole is an exit hole from a perfectly placed lung shot from a .280 Remington. Any questions??? I have the cape in a box ready to go to the tannery, maybe I will pull it out and take a picture of it, so you can refresh your memory! The wound looked like it hurt, there's no doubt, but it didn't hit anything vital, just meat!
* POST 71: Keep this in mind. You can't really say that you're sure that you would have recovered the deer, nobody can make that call. You had been chasing it for 2 hours and close to 2 miles of ground. Who knows??? The fact is, even though you feel like your wife made a great shot, it wasn?t that great of a shot. If it was, I wouldn't be wasting my time typing this just so I could defend all of the nasty comments that you have caused. The wind was blowing close to 40 mph that morning, the conditions were tough, it could happen to any of us. The shot was 3 inches from perfect, and 2 inches from a clean miss, it's that simple. We all miss sometimes.

There really isn't much anyone can say about this whole situation. This is one of those things that we never want to have happen, but it did. We all felt like we handled it the best we possibly could. We talked about, shared hunting stories, and tried to make sure that all was good when we parted. Now you have made us out to be jerks, and jackasses among a lot of fellow hunters. That's not right. Maybe you should spend some of your extra time doing good for the sport, or helping out your local Game & Fish Department with habitat improvement projects rather than stirring up a bunch of BS on the internet.

PS ? By the way, you are correct, there IS a difference from a mortally wounded deer and a wounded deer!!! This deer would have made it (my opinion)!



I was typing this post as you were typing your response, so here's some more for yuh. It was at least 2 hours since your wife shot the deer, and 1000 yards??? NICE TRY You need to get a better range finder son!

You can say all day that me have misread your intentions, but I don't really give a crap. You have caused a lot of people to have bad feelings towards us as hunters, and that pisses me off.

Yah...I saw the video (nice work), and the deer jumped in the air and ate it, BUT he got up and left didn't he. It looked like a great shot, but I have the cape if anybody wants to see the bullet holes.

By the way genius....it was your idea for the replica, and "the Kid" gladly agreed that he would be willing to accomodate.

AND one more thing for the record. You should call the Fish & Game. It would have been illegal for your wife to tag the deer...she didn't kill it. It's called party hunting, and that's a no no in this state. I just called them.

This is irritating!!!!!!
 
Bottom line is you finished off a mortally wounded buck, and stole it from a lady to boot. Way to go, you should be getting the replica done, not the other way around. That buck would of died. They were ON the BLOOD trail it DOESN"T get any easier than that to make the RIGHT decision. Russ Do the right thing, give her the buck back, the fish cop would have.
 
Hello

Ya you are the one that told your brother he was a deer stealer You recall that ?????

Dude I see what you all want is this post nuked.... But READ THE POST DID I GIVE NAMES????

P.S He is right I did say they had guns I should not have said that I dont remember any guns but I did tell you all I would not sit there and fight it out with you....

P.S I have for the last 2 years posted my name to every post I write So Can you do the same THANKS

Once again I have no problam with these folks I am mad over what happend and might have said a couple things now that I read over it that might have portrayed them in the wrong light but the facts are the facts this is a hard subject

UThunting
Clynt L Citte
Willard Utah
[email protected]
 
Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realize that you were there. I don't think you really know what happened, and this proves my point CLYNT. You painted a nice picture for everyone!!!! By the way who the hell is Russ???
 
Clynt

honestly man, are you 5 years old or what? Did you memorize everything that came out of my mouth? I said he was a deer stealer as a joke, to try to lighten up the situation. If you didn't feel good about it, you should have said something or called "the Kid" and talked to him. It is an unfortunate situation for all of us and it's turning into a bunch of BS. I think we should all move on. If you want to talk about it, then dial the number and let's work it out. But quit stirring the pot. Didn't you and your wife get another opportunity at another great buck, and it didn't work out. Maybe you should worry about that instead. I have an elk hunt to worry about, so I'm getting back to that.

Good luck on the rest of your season.
 
MR. Mitchell, what would the F@G do? I'd be embarassed. It doesnt' matter who was there. Make it simple, was the buck wounded? YES Was there a person following the wounded buck? YES Was it a MORTALLY WOUNDED buck? Yes
 
Travis and Health,
First of all congrats on a nice buck. Its a dandy, and would be hard to give up under any circmstances. And this was a tuff one.

If you read through all the post, you'll see that it raised some very important issues regarding a wounded animal. Whats the right thing? Thats like asking which color is prettier. There is no right or wrong, just opinions. And as you saw in the threads, before any details where given, the over whelming majority said buck goes to the first shooter.

I doubt a game officer would ever cite a hunter for tagging a deer that they wounded and tracked, but was finished off by another hunter.

Did Health have a right to tag this deer, yes he did. Did he have an obligation to give up. NO. Its a judgment call. Some would and some wouldn't. Either way there is a loser and a winner.

If in fact the deer traveled 2 miles, and they were able to stay on its track, it would most likly be because of the large amount of blood it was loosing. A deer can die from loose of blood whether vitals were hit or not.

I commend them for sticking after it, and you for choosing to put it down. You can be happy with the deer because you made a great shot, and she can be disappointed that she didn't make a better one.

Good luck to all involved

Larry
 
RE: What would the right thing be to do

LAST EDITED ON Oct-30-07 AT 04:20PM (MST)[p]UThunting-
There is written law on this subject. I am not sure if there is statutory language but there is definitely common law cases that have dealt with this topic. The most famous case is
Pierson v Post. You can google and read about it but basically the rule of law is that whoever mortally wounds the animal has claim to it, regardless of what happens to the animal after being mortally wounded. Therefore, your wife was entitled to the buck assuming the buck would have died without any other shots.
 
Calling your brother the kid is better then you calling me 5 years old, dude,and by the way genius!!!!! And I also said.

"So we let them take it One of the other guys I think was the kids dad that shot he said he told his son to shoot it as it was wounded I should also say that the kid that shot it was not a kid he was in his 30s.."

As for the your 2 hours it was close to 2 hours my video said 7:43 and my photos said 9:26. 7:43 is when the first shot was fired then the buck got up and went into a pocket of pines, we gave it about 15 to 20 min when we went after him he got up.. I had my wife get on the Blood trail and I went higher if that was 2 miles my wife is one tracking machine... You know and I know it is in no way close too 2 miles... 9:26 is when I took my first picture of the buck the deer had been dead for about 5 min maybe more

As for the entrance and the exit wound I only have video I cant say for sure it looks like it hits behind the right leg

But I Have No Question that my wife would have finished it off. You should know that as like we told you she was 100 yrds away the buck was not going up the hill with the other bucks and your brother shot just before my wife could. Thats the facts could she have missed that shot I do not think so but maybe she could have. But that deer was not going anywhere the Blood trail was a dead giveaway..... Even you your Brother and your Father was suprised it was still standing after the inspection of the wound... And it was a lot more then just a flesh wound like you try and make it sound like and yes that was the exit wound in the picture!!!!!!!!!!!!

As for the fish and game telling you it was party hunting thats Bull!!!

The Facts remain this is a really bad deal for both of us and I never said your names in this post. So if there is any hard feelings about this post it is how you read it I guess. But it has been a Good Clean post with no fighting in it and no name calling of any known person or persons untell now!!!!!

Now before you post again Please read it I even started the post out with it sounding like I was the second shooter. so that I would not have any favortism. I wanted a hounest answer!!
As for the fact that we did not meet up at the deer has no affect on the matter....we all knew where it was at and what had taken place

And yes your Brother did tell us he could not tell the Buck was wounded but then your Father said he told your Brother to shoot the wounded Buck

UThunting
Clynt L Citte
Willard Utah
 
I've seen the video, and no question the buck was hit and first blood was drawn. When Clynt showed them the video, on the hill side, there should have been no question in their minds as to who the deer belonged to. It's just ethics! First blood was drawn, it was awesome that they finished it off. That was the ethical thing to do. Now do the ethical thing once again and give it back. That is the ethical thing to do!
 
RE: What would the right thing be to do

LAST EDITED ON Oct-30-07 AT 08:13PM (MST)[p]WOW kinda cool to know.. Thanks for posting

Like Yelum said in a post before this one. I think he nailed it on the head

They should be happy they made a GREAT shot and My Wife should be upset she did not make as good a shot.

I have NO question that the Buck was Mortally Wounded and that my wife would have finished it off

I only argue this post as I have not lied about anything. I may have said a couple things like guys with rifles and they did not have any guns at the kill site.....

UThunting
Clynt L Citte
Willard Utah
 

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