Wyo-102 Harvests?

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Anyone dropping the hammer on any wyoming unit 102 muleys?

Wasn't there a website from some car dealership last year of the big bucks?

Robb
 
Yes, Go to www.wytrucks.com and click on the deer at the top of the page. Check out the monster leading the standings. What a toad. I just thought it was a little suspicious that Dave Munoz's deer that scores 218 wasn't pictured at wyoming trucks and cars. The contest does state that the deer needs to be brought to the dealer and pictured there. And also, looking at the skull, the deer looks older. It just doesn't look like it was shot this year. Either way,if it was or wasn't, its still an awesome deer
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-26-07 AT 03:32PM (MST)[p]When the contest was first starting the pic of Dave Munoz's buck was at the dealership, but they changed the pics.
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-26-07 AT 05:01PM (MST)[p]That deer was killed this year and is a bad boy I heard that there was a mistake in the score it was underscored by around ten inches. That is just a rumer right now. Whatever the case it is still a true trophy. There is another deer harvested in Wyoming that is going to score over 215 with only 4" of trash but I dont know if he will put it in the big buck contest.
 
Hey Robb,

There haven't been many giants dropped in 102 yet, at least that I have heard about. This is kind of surprising because I scouted it a little bit this summer (my brother in law has a tag) and this is the best horn growth I've seen there for a couple years. There are still five days left in the season and they are the best five days so we'll see. I am helping a couple tagholders this weekend and hopefully we can find one of the big ones.

One thing that is making it tough is the number of cow elk tags have been doubled for the last two years and the number of deer tags have been increased to 400. That is a lot of additional truck and wheeler traffic running around, might be a good thing for the big buck population that are wise.

WyoXtec
 
Anyone know the third place prize in the contest? My uncle just killed a typical around 205" two days ago.
 
kinda makes you rethink about wanting to hunt area 102 so bad!
many of these monsters are from easier draws!
rm
 
Hey thanks for the link!

WyoX.. thanks for the specific info... don't know what to do with my 2 deer pts going into '08....just wondering.

Good point RackM...gotta think about it...

Robb
 
Here are some pictures of this weekends 102 hunt.

Saturday I went with an old high school buddy who had drawn the tag, we busted out a really huge typical and after seven shots, he was still gaining speed. We spent the rest of the day trying to figure out where he went, right before dark he made a great shot on this buck.

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Today I went out with my brother-in-law and my dad to try and find one more. After an early morning miss at a good buck, my brother-in-law was able to take this buck.

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From what I can tell, 102 is history. With the increase to 400 tags the past 2 years, they have put the hurts to the big guys. I am not saying there aren't a handfull running around on the unit, but it is nowhere close to what it used to be. Tons of people nowdays too with the elk hunts and everyone "trophy" hunting. Too bad, used to be a fun unit. Does anyone know what the Wyo. G&F was thinking in raising the tags to 400?????
 
Yeah,they manage for "opportunity",not trophies.102 is still a really fun hunt.I compare it to the Book Cliffs.Lots of deer;scads of 20"-25" type bucks with lots of 3x4's.Just got back from the Books.Really reminds me of 102.Hey,WyoXtec-I didn't know you were Lee's son.I met you at the last SFW banquet.I'm the guy that had the whitetail head in there(plus a couple mulies).The pipeline going in down there in 102 is not helping the hunting,either.They had one going in last yaer,too.Bad timing on that deal.Seems that Wyo G&F isn't really interested in making any unit;deer,elk,or antelope trophy areas.Too bad-102 used to be an awesome unit.I guess everyone should quit putting in for it.
 
I agree nontypical. People with 102 can plan on a 20-24 inch buck, and may be surprised to luck into one of the very few big guys left.

Those fires put the hurts to the deer habitat too and the BLM insists on burning other good deer habitat (e.g. Milner Mountain, Pine Mountain/Red Creek.) Makes me think elk must be the priority.
 
Hey Nontypical, thanks for bringing the heads and supporting the organization, give me a call and we'll have a beer. That's cool you know my dad, he's the reason my wife never sees me in the fall. It's all his fault.

I agree for the most part on 102. Put this area into perspective for what it is. With a good spotting scope and a decent idea about deer habits, a guy can figure out the majority of the unit from a truck. Now issue the amount of deer tags that are currently being issued on top of the increased bull tags and more than double the amount of cow tags in two years and you are left with a killer area with great potential and a few huge bucks to keep it famous. Believe what you will, but there are still a handful of deer that are truely monsters, always will be. The bottom line is that the deer that grow to the age of 4+ years have the roads and the hunters figured out. That makes hunting the older bucks easy. Think about how much of the area that is not even worth scouting or hunting.

WyoXtec
 
Right on,Tory.We find a few every year.But nothing like it once was.Or could be again.I just get a little tired of listening to people gripe about no big bucks,and then they kill a 22" 4x4 on the last day that would be a future trophy.They just HAVE TO FILL THAT TAG!!!If even half of them would go without for a year or two,or better yet,take a bad gene buck out of the pool,it would be amazing to see what we would have in just two years.
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-31-07 AT 09:37PM (MST)[p]If you guys want to make a difference, you need to go to the G & F spring meetings and voice your opinions. It doesn't do any good if just a few people go, you need to band together and shout it out. I talk to guys who hunt 66 on a regular basis. They all bee-atch about quality going down the toilet. Yet every year there's only one or two of us attending those meetings who say a thing. This year they had 30 some people at the meeting in Torrington pizzing and groaning about reducing the daily bag limit on geese. The G & F caved to that group without even listening to those of us who opposed the move.
 
Both of you guys are right on. The number of tags is the determining factor. You can't blame most of these guys for wanting to take home a buck, especially when they have to justify the amount of time and money spent trying to find a big one after drawing a 102 tag, particularly at $3/gal gas.

The one question I still hate answering is "Did you get one?"

They don't understand.

It's a tough argument with the G & F though because they see the same increased operating costs and rely on license sales as pretty much there only revenue.

WyoXtec
 
One thing that frustrates me with G&F departments is that when they have 250 tags on a unit, and they decide it needs more tags, they don't add 25-50 and see how it goes for a couple of years. Instead, they end up adding another 150-200 (double). After a couple of years of that program, the deer are hurting and the impacts take a long time to reverse.

And why does the elk hunt need to be going on with the deer hunt?

I agree with WyoXtec. There are a few monsters left, and always will be a few. I have watched a few of them in this unit, and they are crafty to say the least. But as those big guys are killed out and the harvest is shifted towards 2-3 year old bucks under the current 400 tag scenario, those big guys will become fewer and fewer. I still love 102, just wish it could be like it was in 1998.
 
Nice post bonepiler.

The same thing is happening in Area 100 Elk Unit. Just way too many tags to consider it a "trophy" area. Yea, there are still a few big bulls but not what it could be or was. It's hard to hide in the open.
 
Been gone for a few days.TripleBB,I religiously attend those meetings every spring.Our pleas fall on deaf ears.We try every year to load up the place with people,but they have bowling that night,or the wife wants them to do something,etc.It absolutely amazes me how these same guys whine all hunting season long,but won't sacrifice one 3 hr night in the springtime to air their concerns.Of course there are still a few pigs out there.Like you say,though,as those remaining few die of old age and lions,etc.,there will be fewer to replace them,because no one will let them live to the age they need to be.Just like Tory says with elk area 100.In a few short years,you can see the quality declining in a hurry.I challenge anyone to find a 350 bull out there,let alone a 370(like there used to be 3-4 yrs ago).I predict 102 deer will follow suit.At last spring's meeting,the G&F stated that the deer herd is below objective levels.So they raise the tags by 50.Go figure.By the way,G&F will also state their stance on management does not include "Trophy" areas.Ask them.They manage for maximum opportunity.Period.This will never change unless sportsmen unite and demand change.
 
Oh,yeah,Bonepiler-you are exactly right.We have a RE-active G&F instead of a PRO-active dept.Instead of making changes when they see a bad trend beginning,they wait until it's gotten bad and then are forced into a change,which usually includes tag reductions,which is counter-productive to their agenda of making maximum dollars off of tags.I give you deer unit 101 as an example.I noticed a drastic drop in buck(and doe) numbers during my annual rut-filming trips 2 yrs ago.Again,deaf ears were in attendance from G&F at the meetings that year.2 yrs later,40% tag reduction!The way I figure it,they made up for reducing 101 tags by increasing 102 tags.
 
I agree with you guys about the G&F being reactive instead of proactive. However most of the people that I know here in Rock Springs and Green River who put in for that tag do so because it's a good opportunity for them to get an "easy" deer and most of them don't care about trophies. And that is the group that the G&F caters to. Which is unfortunate for trophy hunters.
 
All I got to say is there is no more good deer in areas 101 and 102. I would stop putting in for tags in those areas. Put in for the best area in the state "131" There are 30" bucks in every sage brush flat, under every Ceder tree. Plus they are easier to draw you dont have to wait for 4 months all stressed out to see if you drew one of these worthless tags. Those deer down in the south country are a small heard that cant handle the hunting pressure. I sure hope this increases my odds of drawing next year.
 
There was a 185 Taken there this year. I chased a deer around there for 4 years that an old ladie finally killed and she was 12 place with that deer. And there is always a few goodies out there. I killed a 6x7 out there but he was young but had some non tipi genetics. So yea your right But the south country is managed a little better. Not that it is managed great but it is managed better.
 
You can think whatever you need to claallen, but the south units are nothing like they used to be and certainly not worth the sub 1% drawing odds for non-residents. From now on, I am taking my chances up north in the high country.
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-07-07 AT 09:37PM (MST)[p]What do you mean I can think what ever I want to. I grew up here and I know they are nothing like they used to be. I also shed hunt down there and spend alot of time down there watching deer. Do you spend a couple of days a week down there? I know what both the areas were at one time. I myself still hunt the high country if I dont draw a south tag. And there is no place in Wyoming like it used to be. We all Know that. I know the potential that both those areas have and the Genetics that they carry. I know it is tougher to hunt down there now then before so change your tactics. Your a hunter remember. I dont want to drive up and kill a deer off my 4 wheeler or shoot one out of the truck window. I think if you cant find a trophy buck in area 101 or 102 your are just going to waist your time in the high country. Do you think that because there was a 218 deer killed in the high country that there is one behind every tree? I can assure you that you will have to hunt just as hard if not harder in the high country for the quality of buck your after. There might not be a buck behind every tree in the "HIGH COUNTRY" but there is a hunter. They give out 400 tags in area 102 Do you know how many tags they give out in area 144 or that reagion? Also in my previous posts I dont recall saying that the south country is everything it has ever been. Anyways good luck to you where ever you decide to put in and I hope you can help increase my odds.
Clay
 
You are right,Chester.I don't have a problem with anyone killing whatever type of deer they want to.To each his own.All I'm saying is if you are going "Trophy" hunting,then trophy hunt!Don't lower your standards on the last day and shoot a future trophy.
 
Very well said nontypical. There isn't much sense in passing up bucks all year long only to shoot a small one one on the last day. If you need meat get a cow elk tag.
 
Here's mine from 102, I didn't score him, but he's 28 1/2" wide, and 22" tall. Not the best in the area for sure, but I was pleased with him. Lot's of square miles for the big ones to hide.....

I ended up eating my 32 elk tag, as I couldn't find the BIG one, not ashamed to say it either. I hunted my butt off!!! Not my tires, or wings of my glider or plane, but lots of leg work.

South of RS is not the easiest area to hunt, lots of opportunity, but you've got to work for the big ones anywhere you go.

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Nice buck,J.Score isn't everything.That's a nice,heavy,mature buck.I have 2 buddies that ate 32 elk tags this year,too.The big bulls were just not really in the unit this year.Happens sometimes there.
 
Me and my dad both killed pretty good bulls in 32. It's a really fun area to hunt. Nothing wrong with the buck you killed.
 
It is very interesting reading all the posts about Unit 102. I had a tag there this year for the first time. I hunted 8 days and killed the second largest buck I could find. There will be an article in another magazine so I cannot post any pics right now. He was an old buck with teeth worn to the gumline. 25" wide but tall and heavy but no brow tines. I saw a bigger buck opening day but he got away from me.

Interesting part was that I never saw one person out hunting...only driving the roads. There was not a boot track on any of the areas I hunted. I finally found the buck I killed in a remote draw that could not be seen or accessed any way but by hiking in 2+ miles. There have got to be many more areas just like the one I found.

Jumped another buck in the cedars at 40 yards that was very heavy but who knows how wide...he didn't let me look for very long.

I like the area and think a big buck could be killed every time by hunting the roadless country on foot. It may not be like the old days but what areas really are? I grew up hunting Eagle Co. in Colorado and will be forever spoiled by the hunting there.
 
>Not too shabby jboz. How many
>days did you hunt deer?
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I ended up hunting the first weekend after opening, then the 24th-28th when I got him. I was up at 4:00 am, hunting until dark everyday. Saw lots of deer in that time, and saw a bigger one, (imagine that) on the second to the last day while elk hunting. I'm in no way disappointed with what I got though.

Thanks for the props guys......

Jbo
 
Most people drive the canyon rims and rims of mountains in 102. There is a 2-track around almost every one of them. I have watched bucks hidden in a pocket lay down and let the truck drive on by. You are right, not too many people get out of their trucks.

The point with 102 is that it was an incredible unit just 3-4 years ago, but has taken a serious nose dive in a very short time frame IMO. But then again, I have my sights set at a 190+ 30" class buck, so I guess it all depends on what you are looking for. I know of only one of those killed there this year. If you want to shoot a 20-25 inch 150-160 class buck and have a slim chance at lucking into something better, this is the unit for you.
 
an area south of town that couldn't be accessed without walking 2+ miles in? You sure you were in 102? Or maybe 2 miles means less than a mile.
 
The best I can come up with would be the Red Creek breaks, on the North side of Red Creek. You might get 2 miles out of some of that country.
 
Red Creek would be close but theres a lot of two tracks through all that jungle mess. Now whether its safe anymore to take those roads is another story, esp. if there is rain.
 

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