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SPAZ

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What's this one score?
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LAST EDITED ON Dec-13-13 AT 10:27PM (MST)[p]It is a very tough angle. I'd say about the same as 310-320. Could be over that though, just too hard to tell.
Might even barely make 300 after looking the second time.
any more pics?
Mntman

"Hunting is where you prove yourself"


Let me guess, you drive a 1 ton with oak trees for smoke stacks, 12" lift kit and 40" tires to pull a single place lawn mower trailer?
 
Here's another angle, he's pretty even from the looks of it.

Good to get some keen eyes on sizing them up.

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He's a little deceptive. Mass looks great, fronts and backs are good too. Short 3rds. I'd put him 330-340. Dang nice bull.
 
310? I'm going to go out on a limb here and say most of you are seriously low balling this animal. That's a 355+ bull, but with the abnormal amount of mass he is packin' it probably brings him up to 365. Sht, I may be low balling it too? Beautiful animal.
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-14-13 AT 09:25PM (MST)[p]

I would like to see a side profile shot, but my best guess is 340+ on the low end. But that is low end for me.

Do you have the score?
 
Thats a awesome archery bull ! A little tough to score from your pictures . The first pictures looked smaller. The others make it look bigger. I kinda of sound like a broken record here sometimes. But here goes. Go to www.booneandcrockett.org and go to the score your own animal link. It's a fun way to learn and you can print out a score sheet to keep in your file. In the off season . My boys and will pull one of our mounts off the wall and score it again just for fun.
 
Man some of you guys are good. I would guess there's a few diplomas from Eastman's school of rack bracketing.

There's good photos of the antlers to make a judge. Body and head size should be easy to spot. Some tidbits that don't account in score are 48.25" outside spread and the antlers (with boiled and dried skull) weigh 39.6 lbs.
 
This is painful, funny yet painful.....some really good scorers here, in fact it is almost like they never actually took a tape measure and tried on their own!
 
So your point is what Spaz? You asked they responded, I still think your pictures are difficult at best. The angle of the pictures changes the perspective. It's a big elk between 350 and 370 from the pictures is how I see it
 
Great bull! I say 330 - that is just my guess. Show me where I am wrong - I would love to learn.


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Your shot placement was better than your photography skills. who cares what he scores? Darn nice bull regardless of the number of inches.
 
BS
Post up some other pictures of him.

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>He's 299 5/8. Man some
>of you guys overjudge stuff.
>


I don't buy this for a second. 48.5 inch outside spread and you're telling me that elk is less than a 300 inch bull? Not buying it at all.
 
>He's 299 5/8. Man some
>of you guys overjudge stuff.
>
Classic! I see this all the time on this forum. Unbelievable the inches that people put on average bulls. Makes me wonder just how many 350+ bulls are truly killed every year and how many are really smaller and just called 350 because they think they are. Some of you guys need to actually tape some bulls. Maybe then you'll come to an epiphany on what it takes to actually get to 350.
 
Mallard, You're actually farther off than about everybody. You'll actually see the official score of this bull listed in the next issue of Boone and Crockett's Fair Chase, recently submitted trophies.

The hints were the clear photos of the antlers, body, and head size and the hint that each antler weighs roughly 17lbs.

Mike Eastman would be so ashamed of you. :D
 
>Mallard, You're actually farther off than
>about everybody. You'll actually
>see the official score of
>this bull listed in the
>next issue of Boone and
>Crockett's Fair Chase, recently submitted
>trophies.
>
>The hints were the clear photos
>of the antlers, body, and
>head size and the hint
>that each antler weighs roughly
>17lbs.
>
>Mike Eastman would be so ashamed
>of you. :D

So it's not 299 5/8? I still find it hard to believe. Weak thirds, avg mass and a mainbeam that barely gets past his chest. Why keep us guessing? I'm not gonna go out and get Fair Chase as I don't really care that much. Come on, educate me.
 
I think I know what actually happened here in regards to everyone ?guessing? the score so low.

Here it goes.................no one from Mother Utah can believe a big bull can come from anyplace other than their carefully managed once in a life time hunting system!!

Plus no one saw it on Mossback?s Facebook page so they just automatically assumed it is a sub 300 bull!
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-17-13 AT 09:05AM (MST)[p]This just shows how hard it is to judge. I'm at about 340 but would not be surprised if it was 20 inches more. I would be surprised if it was only a 300 inch bull. I would have a hard time passing him with a bow in just about any unit.

The 300's I've killed do not look like him.
 
Still very difficult pictures to judge from. The pic with your forearm in it can be deceptive too. Are you a 4' 10" guy or are you bigfoot? That helps, cause if I took a pic of my racks like that with my daughter holding it, a 230" 5 point would look like a 410" monster, just saying...

It is a great bull and would like to see some good pics of it to see what the size actually is. The mass looks great and with that in mind, it is more than a 310" bull, still have no clue though anywhere between 325-558" should cover it.

Mntman

"Hunting is where you prove yourself"


Let me guess, you drive a 1 ton with oak trees for smoke stacks, 12" lift kit and 40" tires to pull a single place lawn mower trailer?
 
It's a beautiful bull but the photos are deceptive and because of this the ability for anyone to conclusively score this bull would be in question. At best, we're all just guessing since we have no clear reference points.

I was scratching my head long before the guessing started. I'm no expert but what I know is this; It's a helluva bull with a bow (and damn sure scores way over 299"). Congrats to the hunter on a fine trophy.

So SPAZ, are we going to hear the score or are we still playing?

Zeke
 
The official total is 370. 64 inches of mass in that. Roughly 53 on the beams, then 17, 18, 11, 20, 12. Ginourmous head and body. I kind of thought the "39+ lb" rack would be somewhat of a clue. When he stumbled away with my arrow in his heart, I knew he was XL, 350+. When I grabbed onto him, I kind of thought he was in the 380+ range. His tines are super heavy. He's as big of a 370 6point as they come. It was a great day of hunting.
 
I knew it was total BS when it was stated that this was a 300 class bull.

It surely is a real good one
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-18-13 AT 06:52AM (MST)[p]Well, as I said, mine was just a wild guess. It's easy to see how just a few quick glances can lead you in a totally wrong direction. I thought he was a lot bigger than 299 - but wasn't quite sure he was over 350. For me, judging the length of mainbeams in photos is deceptive. I am glad you have the experience of holding a lot of racks in your hands and judging them. You help guys like me who don't have that same opportunity to get better at guessing.

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LAST EDITED ON Dec-17-13 AT 10:29PM (MST)[p]290s look pretty nice when you're 4'9" and stand way back.. :D
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Mallards, maybe you "need to actually tape some bulls"?

SPAZ, that is a Freakin Pig. Congrats on your annual big bull kill.
 
I stand corrected. Congrats on a great bull. Still doesn't look 370 to me but the pictures, as some have said, are hard to judge. If it's officially scored, I'll believe the officials.
 
From the picture now posted you can see 370 easily. I originally said 350 to 370 with the new picture mass is much more obvious to me the weight and 48.5 spread obviously helped out. Great bull congrats.
 
>The official total is 370.
>64 inches of mass in
>that. Roughly 53 on
>the beams, then 17, 18,
>11, 20, 12. Ginourmous
>head and body. I kind
>of thought the "39+ lb"
>rack would be somewhat of
>a clue. When he
>stumbled away with my arrow
>in his heart, I knew
>he was XL, 350+.
>When I grabbed onto him,
>I kind of thought he
>was in the 380+ range.
> His tines are super
>heavy. He's as big
>of a 370 6point as
>they come. It was
>a great day of hunting.
>

Tail between my legs, but damn am I glad you exposed the haters on this site (me included!). Hell of a bull bud.
 
Well I would much rather Low Ball a bull than over judge it, even though your pictures were horrible, if you had started with that last pic I damn sure wouldnt have said 334. LOL



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I'm with you on this one. This bull is a lot bigger than 310-320. Look at the bases and those fronts. That bull is 350+ for sure. Awesome bull and a monster for a stick and string for sure. Congrats!

>310? I'm going to go out
>on a limb here and
>say most of you are
>seriously low balling this animal.
>That's a 355+ bull, but
>with the abnormal amount of
>mass he is packin' it
>probably brings him up to
>365. Sht, I may be
>low balling it too? Beautiful
>animal.
 
Problem is, guy ask question on score and it turns into a bash the low score posters. Bull doesn't look 370 to me either given the pics, it is relatively short on tines and not wide, BUT the mass is very impressive on the bull for sure. In the end, doesn't really matter what the score is as long as you are happy. Good job on a nice bull!

Again, congratulations on your success. I killed a lowly 340 bull, but if you were to look at my pics, you would think it was a giant and I'm truly not sitting in the next county either. LOL

WP

"My only regret in life is setting my goals too low"
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-05-14 AT 04:14PM (MST)[p]>Problem is, guy ask question on
>score and it turns into
>a bash the low score
>posters. Bull doesn't look
>370 to me either given
>the pics, it is relatively
>short on tines and not
>wide, BUT the mass is
>very impressive on the bull
>for sure. In the
>end, doesn't really matter what
>the score is as long
>as you are happy. Good
>job on a nice bull!
>
>
>Again, congratulations on your success.
>I killed a lowly 340
>bull, but if you were
>to look at my pics,
>you would think it was
>a giant and I'm truly
>not sitting in the next
>county either. LOL
>
>WP
>
>"My only regret in life is
>setting my goals too low"
>


Short tines??? I guess you still have not figured out that when a bull has so much mass including on the tines the tines look shorter. That bull has 12" bases and a body like a black angus
 
>Problem is, guy ask question on
>score and it turns into
>a bash the low score
>posters. Bull doesn't look
>370 to me either given
>the pics, it is relatively
>short on tines and not
>wide, BUT the mass is
>very impressive on the bull
>for sure. In the
>end, doesn't really matter what
>the score is as long
>as you are happy. Good
>job on a nice bull!
>
>
>Again, congratulations on your success.
>I killed a lowly 340
>bull, but if you were
>to look at my pics,
>you would think it was
>a giant and I'm truly
>not sitting in the next
>county either. LOL
>
>WP
>
>"My only regret in life is
>setting my goals too low"
>

I'm with you Will. I'm not buying 370 either until I see an Official scorers sheet. Mass is hard to judge from a photo but that bull just doesn't look 370 to me. If it is, great. I probably would've let him walk and that's my bad.
 
Great looking Bull, I knew he wasn't a 300 class from the first picture, But didn't think he was that big, That mass makes his tines look short. But the mass really adds up. Love that last picture.


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This one might be trickier. Wonder if Mallards can get within 50 inches from a single photo and no tips.
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>This one might be trickier.
>Wonder if Mallards can get
>within 50 inches from a
>single photo and no tips.
>
>
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All this talk and yet no official scorers sheet.
 
Pheaz, don't gift him too much, just because folks were going so low on the last one. Mallard, See post #29.

I enjoy the guess the score threads on this site, especially on the live animals. Guys would rather be more than 50 inches off low than 1 inch high and need an army of guides posing in the photo for a size reference.

For those guys who have see a dead animal or two and know simple addition, see page 74 of the latest huntin fool. Even my 13 year old was dying.
 
I saw post #29 when it was posted. I'm not subscribing to the mag. I would hope that the magazine would require certified scoring for submissions. If that's the case, then you should have a certified score sheet. Why not post it here for skeptics like myself?
 
These guessing games are actually a lot of fun. I like when people post them up. This bull is a tough one because his rack is different. His mass seems on the lower end, especially up front. I'm leaning towards saying in the 340's. But some of those tines look abnormally long and he has a little extra as well so I might be cheating him. Tough call, but that is my guess.

Mallard, you have to understand the reason people are busting your balls is when the joke of a lower score was posted you really lashed out and acted condescending. Kind of set yourself up.
 
>
>I enjoy the guess the score
>threads on this site, especially
>on the live animals.
>Guys would rather be more
>than 50 inches off low
>than 1 inch high and
>need an army of guides
>posing in the photo for
>a size reference.
>

Spaz,
You obviously knew the pic was deciving, or you wouldnt have went about things the way you did, (talking sh!t about the low score posts) Its easy to call people stupid for their guess when you all ready know the end result. Next time post a half way decent photo and I bet you will get alot better guesses on the score.

That said even with another horible photo to judge off of I am going to guess 338 on the second bull.

And Mallard the first bull is obviously bigger than you are giving it credit for based off of the last picture that was posted just admit to it.


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LAST EDITED ON Jan-12-14 AT 02:41PM (MST)[p]Awaiting for Mallard's epiphany on the second one - he's obviously handled a few of them. Some hints, beams/fronts are longer than they look. It's narrower than the first elk, but not as heavy, or big in the body. sticker tine is 4 6/8"

If one were to post trail cam photos of animals (unknown score)- is this not the right forum to get a second opinion on size?
 
Gross or net? For someone who can post crappy pics, you sure seem to have a problem posting a pic of a certified score sheet. For all you HF members, take a look at the bulls in the latest issue and tell me that you think this bull compares with the 350+ bulls in those features.
 
Dang! The first one I said 340's was on the low end but really thought he'd go a lot higher than that. This one I just sold way short! Noticed some very long tinage, but underestimated the mass.

Let's have another! These are great.
 
Hey Mallard,

Good chance I could draw an AZ elk tag this year, if I send you all my scouting pictures will you pick out the biggest bull for me to chase?

Hahahahaha!
 
This thread has turned into a let's isolate one guy and then attack him to no end.... Simply because somebody posted some crappy pics that gave the rest of us absolutely zero reference to judge its size from accurately..

When given multiple angles and references it is difficult at best for 99% of hunters to judge the size of a rack from pictures anyway.

Dam no wonder hunters are the minority and losing out on most battles against the antis...

Mntman

"Hunting is where you prove yourself"


Let me guess, you drive a 1 ton with oak trees for smoke stacks, 12" lift kit and 40" tires to pull a single place lawn mower trailer?
 
Spaz, i'll be the first to admit that pics never do a bull justice. I have no issue seeing 370" out of the first bull, but that 2nd pic is doing my head in! Can you post a pic with a reference point so I can have a better idea of where i'm screwballed???

No matter how I swing it I can't get even close to what you say on that bull! Course my vision certainly isn't 20-20!

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Here's the funny thing--after all the criticism and skepticism, he still refuses to provide a Certified score sheet. Until I see one, I call BS. I don't believe either bull scores what you say it does. Those markings on the other side of the ruler are centimeters, not inches.
 
Jeez- a little harsh there. 2nd bull is listed in P&Y and like I said - read post 29 , maybe more slowly this time. Anybody else have some crappy photos of average bulls we can guess at? I won't cry if I'm way off.

Here's another ..
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Here's another.. Trickiest yet because of the angle. Somebady else please chime in with some photos. This isn't much fun for me because I already know what they are. Will say those a were 4 real great days to be hunting in Montana.
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LAST EDITED ON Jan-14-14 AT 09:55PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Jan-14-14 AT 09:37?PM (MST)

1st bull 325 + the spread +/-
2nd Bull pushing 380, maybe more

All are awesome bulls, especially for Montana.
 
Azhuntin! Awesome bulls. You're close on the guesses too. I'm looking at all those bulls (2" phone screen) but I can still tell they're all dandies. I'll guess 360, 375, 345, and 365.

Buzz on yours- 305 and 260! :D
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-19-14 AT 04:29PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Jan-19-14 AT 04:28?PM (MST)

Two are 380+, one is 390+, and one is over 400 with 63" beams- all gross scores.

Buzz all say 350-360 on the first and 320-330 on the 2nd bull
 
azhuntin, pretty close.

The first bull is actually 370 gross and 358 5/8 net (officially scored).

Good tops on him, long 5th and good beams push him to 370 gross. I saw this bull several times during the season, and each time I field judged him closer to 350.

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The second bull is 356 gross as is (scored by a P&Y measurer friend of mine)...nets only 329. He had 10-12 inches of busted points as well.

Has an OK 5th on the one side...

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Geeze Spaz you low balled the sh!t out of those. LOL


Jake H. SHED OR DEAD IT DONT MATTER TO ME!!!
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SPAZ is just getting even for the time I wayyy under estimated a Wyoming mule deer buck.

Good thing he didnt listen to me...

I need to take the remedial Eastmans rack bracketing mule deer seminar I guess.
 
Posted by SPAZ on Jan-21-14 at 06:27 AM
I sure did. Especially on the giants taken by Buzz. Humor is clearly lost on some.


Clearly. LOL


Jake H. SHED OR DEAD IT DONT MATTER TO ME!!!
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Buzz, I think I owe you thanks for not being interested in "170ish" bucks such as this one. I will repay you someday. I knew the scores of Buzz's elk, and figured I might be close on AZhuntin's but gave it my best guess from the photos. The second one sure looks like a giant, all are spectacular - no doubt.

JakeH and others interested, better field photos of all the average bulls I posted and dozens of others can be found on the hunttalk.com site, elk forum, thread title is Elk.. let's see them. Great elk thread on Randy's site.

Buzz, thanks again for not being interested in shooting this buck.
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Heck, I'll play. Here's the bull I shot in Idaho this year. Have at it. I'll post a few pics...


 
Everyone is picking on mallard cuz he made a point to say how everyone was dreaming when he was the one 70 inches off. I laughed when I read his first post. Show me one 300 in bull with mass and tine length like that bull.
 
Believe what you want but he has still not submitted proof. Everyone thinks they know what a large bull looks like because they've seen them on here and in magazine feature articles. Unfortunately, there is a lot of misleading information out there by guys who simply fail to acknowledge what their animal truly scores or are simply going off what someone else told them they thought it would score. There are a lot of outfitters who mislead their clients as they want them to think they've killed a great bull/buck and there are a lot of guys who think they're experts at field judging when, in reality, they have little to base that on. I haven't put tape on hundreds of bulls but I have taped enough to know it takes a lot to push the 350+ mark and I still don't believe this one does. Simply claiming that the story is going to be published in the next issue of a magazine means nothing. Few, if any, magazines require a certified score sheet to publish your story. HF is a prime example and I know several outfitters who are angered by the fact that stories of good bulls are published with a score that is probably embellished. It makes it even more difficult for them as outfitters as these mags lead many hunters to believe that bulls like this are around every corner.
 
He did post proof. Look at the picture with his hand around the bases. Your high if you think that bull is only 300". I doubt he is one of the people you are talking about. Looks like he has killed a handful of giant bulls.
 

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