Loss of Respect for Jim Shockey

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I was watchin the huntin channel a minute ago and Jim Shockey said "when got created mule deer, after he got done, he looked at them and thought ""to dumb"". Then he created the white tail and looked at it and said, ""now thats an intelligent animal"" What an idiot. All's you need to shoot a white tail is a freak fruit loop marhmellow glob hanging from a tree. It takes brains,luck, time and patience to kill a huge mule deer. N-1 agree?


Timberline
 
Never hunted whitetail. but it sounds to me like they are a lot easier. I love watching when those eastern tv hunters come out west and none of them get a buck. one of the funniest things to watch for me.
 
Yeah... i never liked him!!!!! after seeing that he put drugs in deer and put them in a high fence so people could shoot them!!! He is retarded. and yeah... mule deer are A LOT better!!! He is just a woosey boy that cant kill mule deer cause they are to hard for him.
 
Most likely meant Whitetail are way more high strung than Muleys.

When a whitetail decides to run away its gone, not like mulies that often stop one more time before cresting a hill to see what scared them.

A mature buck of either species on hunted public land is pretty smart.
 
big bucks look back, HUGE MM disappear and never look back. Seen it time and time again. There is no way you can compare Muleys to White Tails. Wait..maybe. Like this. A white tail's brain is the size of a Mule Deer's sh**. LMAO


Timberline
 
Like most on here, I've hunted both and blacktails also. Old bucks of all species are plenty smart. But I would have to say that if you have a TROPHY blacktail on your wall then you have personally out smarted the smartest and most wiley of the three or just got real lucky. Just my opinion.
 
As far as Shockey,at times we all say stupid things,he just did it on TV.
I have hunted both deer and an old mature buck is hard to come by ,no matter what type of deer it is.
I have taken both deer and none of them came easy!
 
Yeah, I think ole Shockey is right so all you Easterners stay back East and hunt whitey and I'll suffer here in the West and hunt the dumb ole muley. fatrooster.
 
>I can tell none of you
>guys hve coues hunted.... they
>blow all oother deer out
>of the water.
>Casey


is that why there hasn't been a new WR Muley in over 35 years? Corect me if I am wrong, but I believe there have been several Coues and Whitetail WR's in that time frame.....
 
Casey , you took the words right out of my mouth. I never have either, though I have a friend who is strictly die hard deer hunter and has hunted mule deer both mountain and desert and whitetail in KS free range and says hands down coues bucks are the hardest deer to hunt.Can't say how they compare to blacktail , have heard the same about big blacktail bucks being pretty tough. But all coues bucks are hard whether they are smaller bucks or big bucks ,they are tough to get....
 
Jim went on to say it was a joke. He has the most entertaining and realistic hunting show on tv.

How can hunting tiny coues deer be more fun than muleys? Maybe it depends on where you live. If I saw a record book coues I wouldn't notice.



Bigbucksnbulls,

Tell us more on his high fence drugging of animals PLEEASE! Maybe you are thinking of Jimmy Loser Houston. You are going to have to explain after slandering someone.
 
>>I can tell none of you
>>guys hve coues hunted.... they
>>blow all oother deer out
>>of the water.
>>Casey
>
>
>is that why there hasn't been
>a new WR Muley in
>over 35 years? Corect me
>if I am wrong, but
>I believe there have been
>several Coues and Whitetail WR's
>in that time frame.....


Do you think that might be because the Whitetail is the most hunted big game species in the country by far!
More Hunters in the woods = more records broken?
Plus the whitetail is by far more adaptable to the changes that people make to their habitat than Muleys.
Due to more money in the whitey market, there are more people into managing for big whitey's than muley's which equates to more records broken? I think it is also easier to manage for whiteys, they can stay in a relatively small area for their entire life and you only have to manage a few hundred acres to make a difference instead of up to 4-5 square miles in 2 seperate area's for a muley that migrates.
More whitetail habitat = more numbers of whiteys = more records broken.

I would be willing to bet that if you took the amount of trophy animals of any species harvested, per number of hunter's hours in the woods for that species. The percentage would be nearly the same on all of them. (NOT counting high fences)

Shooting a monster whitetail isn't easy as you say they are all equally smart for their enviroments. I have shot a 177 whitetail off public property and hopefully in my next 30 years of hunting I can get a bigger whitey but probably not, will die trying though.

I don't believe any one animal is smarter than the next, they are all elusive, they don't get big being dumb...

Mntman

"Hunting is where you prove yourself"
 
I have always liked Jim Shockey and enjoyed his articles and videos but Latley something has bothered me a little about him. He seems to be slapping his name on every piece of equipment or product he can, some of them are total junk. It seems to me he is selling out and becoming, how can I put this, a product whore.
 
what exactly is he slapping his name on that is junk? inquiering minds want to know.
 
Shockey did indeed go onto to say that his first opinion of Muleys was that they were dumb and easier to harvest, and then he later stated that his thoughts could not have been farther from the truth! that he indeed knew that the Muleys were much harder to get than a stupid alf alfa eating sheep with horns!

Whiteys are for those that cant walk uphill or down.. only on flat ground..
 
Who really cares which is more difficult to hunt? If I could get a tag for each deer species in my state I would hunt all of them. I'd bet you would too.

Beanman
 
The one I have heard the biggest complaints on is the Shockey's Gold muzzleloader powder. I have never tried it myself as everything I have heard about it is bad. The renzo decoy I have tried was pretty cheap and flimzy. I see he now has his name on an argo, not saying that the argo is crap but really why do you need a shockey signature argo. I can't name off the top of my head everything his name is on. I just think it is a little cheesy to put your name on every product there is. I am not saying he is the only one to do it but I just thought he was more of a regular joe than all of these other guys who are in it for nothing but the money.
 
I am not a fan of Shockey....

We have a mutual friend and a few years ago he had some questions about Mexico. I went above and beyond in answering his questions and gave him the contact info of some influential people down there. Long story short, everything worked out for him which is great.

A couple of years later I introduced myself to him and he said he didnt remember be, no problem. I told him that I was the guy that helped him out with a lot of his Mexico stuff via email through our mutual friend. He looked me in the eyes and said he never heard of me and nobody helped him in Mexico. Couldnt believe it as he had mentioned me by name in our emails. UNREAL!

Maybe I shouldgive him the benefit of the doubt. Maybe he was in a hurry, maybe he really had forgotten, I wouldnt have but thats neither here nor there. He just seemed like a prick

Drum


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Anyone remember his hunting show when he missed the pending worlds record ML Shiras Moose here in Ogden? Geeze he had it at like 60 yards broadside not moving and he *MISSED*. Mr SuperMLHunter guy my ass... lol.

Granted he did kill it the next day and it was the pending worlds smokepole moose... but still, it was pretty damn funny he missed it on film that first shot. Maybe his Shockey Gold had a delayed ignition or something /grin


-DallanC
 
Don't know Jim Shockey but I'd like to add that the way to tell a man's character is by the way they act after they achive fame and fortune.


Ransom
 
ok i can see where you are coming from, but having used the jim shockey powder i can tell you that it is the best powder i have used to date. cleanest burning and easiest to clean up afterwards. i could care less if he puts his name on things it is a good business move on his part.
 
Well I myself like Shockeys T.V. show. It's better than alot of other shows, probably because it has so much variety. Don't know the man myself, but he has more animals in the Muzzy record book than anyone else.....just wanting recognition? Probably, but shoot I think we all would boast a little if we had the fame he has created for himself.
 
Heard bad things about the powder burning inconsistently and blowing unburnt powder out the barrel. Heard the pellet form crumbled badly and didn't burn well either. I will stick to 777, burns consistently and cleans up with water.
 
i have never tried the pellets they look very questionable. the loose powder is what i use it burns completly and cleans up with water as well.
 
Glad it is working good for you. As I said earlier I really like Jim's videos and he is a very gifted outdoor writer who has a great sense of humor. I just don't like to see him plastering his name on everything. I just thought he was a little different than the rest of the walking billboards in the hunting industry.
 
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>Bigbucksnbulls,
>
>Tell us more on his high
>fence drugging of animals PLEEASE!
> Maybe you are thinking
>of Jimmy Loser Houston.
>You are going to have
>to explain after slandering someone.
>


Yeah... haha i got them mixed up. Woops. But i still dont like jim shockey anyway.
 
>I can tell none of you
>guys hve coues hunted.... they
>blow all oother deer out
>of the water.
>Casey

Damn right Casey! No comparison!



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>>I can tell none of you
>>guys hve coues hunted.... they
>>blow all oother deer out
>>of the water.
>>Casey
>
>
>is that why there hasn't been
>a new WR Muley in
>over 35 years? Corect me
>if I am wrong, but
>I believe there have been
>several Coues and Whitetail WR's
>in that time frame.....


Both current World's Record Coues (Typ and Nontyp) were killed well over 50 years ago.


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For me I've found that whitetails are alot harder to get a good size buck then muleys. Any sound you make and the whiteys gone, but mule deer usually stay around for a couple seconds. At least thats my experience with them.
 
Ya I mean its the guys oppion and like the guy, I'd much rather watch his over Bill Jordan or any of those guys. And I also agree with the comment above me I've heard of guys hunting entire seasons to kill one buck. I know that whitetail's aren't as physically demanding as mulies but the take alot of mental discipline and so on. Also I watched Jim Shockey's show last night and he appoligized for his remark.
 
The Mule Deer statement was in support of how hard they are to kill. Please don't do the media thing and only use the words that fit your need. I like his shows simply because he is not always shooting a white tail on some ranch over food. I like Ted also but he has to at least hide the corn. Like all video hunters they are doing what it takes to sell a movie. At least his appear to require a little more hunting effort then most.
 
>Jim Shockeys dad is funny as
>hell though
>
>-Cody AKA BigBuck92

Got to agree with you there. LMAO when he's on. His old man said "he uses viagra to keep from whizzing on his shoes"

I saw that comment too. As far as whitetail/mulies go, having hunted them both and both in the midwest and west, I feel due to hunting pressure in the midwest/east, the deer are much more people wary. In the west, many deer may not have seen a man before or the not feel in as much danger. I have found that one isn't easier or harder. Successful hunters can get them both. I will say that the eastern deer, except for known big deer areas, that hunting pressure is so great, most deer don't get to 2 1/2. Out west they stand a much better chance of living longer and getting bigger. I have found it easier to harvest bigger mulies than whitetail. JMO
 
He CLEARLY stated he was joking

If you are going to quote the man at least get it right. He said it as a joke and got lots of letters from Mule deer hunters. He went on to say that mule deer weren't dumb and were very difficult to hunt.
 
RE: He CLEARLY stated he was joking

I guess you boys missed the article he wrote in Muley Crazy a few years back where he said Whitetails were the dumbest critter alive. And then there was that article he had in some mag about Blacktails being the smartest. Come to think of it, I'm sure almost every big game animal he kills is the smartest creature ain't it? Fact is, he is a smart ass. I've been told by several that know him, that most take his humor the wrong way.
 
RE: He CLEARLY stated he was joking

Like any politician or salesman these days, their comments are geared towards their current audience. If he was doing a show about whitetails in a whitetail dominated market those comments would fit. When at western hunting shows or if writing for a western magazine he probably talks about how hard it is to get big mulies. Like lots of sponsored, product-pushing professional hunters he will tell his audience whatever he thinks they want to hear.

As far as the mulies vs. whiteys debate you can shoot a big one of either species if you write a big enough check, spend some serious time, or have some serious luck (probably a combination of the latter two if your hunting public land). I prefer muleys, but have to respect whitetails. Now coues deer...

Dax
 
RE: He CLEARLY stated he was joking

I like watching Shockey's shows. I like his moose hunts...pretty exciting. His Alberta or Sask. whitetail hunts are a little boring but his clients shoot good bucks. His wife is HOT...so he's got that going for him!!! My favorite by far is Stan Potts. That guy is always so animated and excited that it makes me laugh. He was mule deer hunting in Alberta and shot a smaller but respectful buck and he about pissed himself. Not sure if it was just for the camera but it really seemed like he was stoked on shooting a not-so-big mule deer. Did I mention Shockey's wife is HOT!!!


Steve
 
RE: He CLEARLY stated he was joking

He is spot on about how hard a mature blacktail is to hunt. I have hunted all three and mature coastal (columbian) blacktails are definately the hardest!
 
RE: He CLEARLY stated he was joking

I saw the same show; it was a joke. I met him at an Expo a few
years back. He was pleasant to talk with and acted like a normal
(not arrogant) person. I don't mind his shows. However, I will agree that he goes over board with the promotions.
 
>Do you guys know the average
># of days afield it
>takes to kill a whitetail????????????
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>who cares :)
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bucksnort have you even hunted whitey's?

Took me 45 minutes to shoot my first muley, Does that make muley's dumb?

You anti whitey's are to dang funny. You think 180 inchers are walking around on every 10 acre patch just waiting to get killed by some citidiot.

Mntman

"Hunting is where you prove yourself"
 
With the right mix of fruit loops and maple syrup they could be!
LMAO!

Timberline
 
RE: He CLEARLY stated he was joking

No way MULE DEER #1!


Timberline
 
RE: He CLEARLY stated he was joking

If anyone here had to write a check to the Outdoor Channel to pay them to play your show, you slap your name on every product you could to offset the bottom line. Its a hugely expensive undertaking. Anybody thats watched his show can see that he doesn't take many shortcuts and hunts in a more hardcore fashion than most any Bubba on the boob-tube today.

Its clearly one of the top shows out there nowadays in a world of cornfeeders, high fences and limp-weiner canned-hunt participants.

Any big and old critter from heavily hunted public land is going to be pretty wise, be it bull, buck or even an old stinky coyote.
 
RE: He CLEARLY stated he was joking

Come on now guys...
Jim is a stud.
He has built a very succesful life doing exactly what he loves.
How many of us can say that?
His Yukon hunting is really cool.
He has a wry sense of humor that might be taken wrong.
I've met him at several big shows over the years and found him to be pleasant and accomadating.
Sure he pitches a bunc of products because it pays well.
Most of us would do the same.
His muzzleloader hunting record is incredible taking all of North Americas big game animals.
Oh yeah, his wife is also VERY attractive, for that I will vouge.
Guess I could get a little jealous...
He has lead one helluva life, I should be so lucky.
Read more about Jim here...

http://jimshockey.com/OC_Shockey.pdf
 
don't like fruity loopies and maple syrup is a pain to collect, prefer lucky charms and post 31 oct pumpkins:D
Mntman

"Hunting is where you prove yourself"
 
RE: He CLEARLY stated he was joking

amen, he has always been very cordial when i have spoken with him.
 
RE: He CLEARLY stated he was joking

>>Do you guys know the average
>># of days afield it
>>takes to kill a whitetail????????????
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>>who cares :)
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>bucksnort have you even hunted whitey's?
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>Took me 45 minutes to shoot
>my first muley, Does that
>make muley's dumb?
>
>You anti whitey's are to dang
>funny. You think 180 inchers
>are walking around on every
>10 acre patch just waiting
>to get killed by some
>citidiot.
>
>Mntman
>
>"Hunting is where you prove yourself"
>

I'n not a whitetail anti...They just dont do much for me.It's probably because of the 500 whitey hunting shows (and magazine articles)on TV where they are hunting them over acres of a "plantation" or next to thier automatic feeders while they are sitting in a heated miniaturized hunting cabin with tripod legs 15' off of the ground.


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RE: He CLEARLY stated he was joking

He's right up there in my top two hunting shows with Easman's Journal. He does it right. I don't much care if he seriously "dissed" muleys or not...everyone's got an opinion. Seems like a good guy by all accounts, and he puts together a good show.

I'd have to say my personal experience is a big muley buck is a heck of a lot harder to take than a nice whitetail or big elk. Damn things just seem to have a sixth sense about them the other critters don't have. I am amazed at how many times I'm creeping throught the woods in "semi-stealth mode", wind in my face, only to top a ridge and see muleys already 200 yards away and moving out. I've had plenty of elk stick around close for that type of activity, but not muleys.

Like others, I'm not big on white tails. I'm tired of seeing "Bubba" leaning forward in his recliner to shoot a deer over a grain pile or off of his "food plot", out of his elevated and heated outhouse, and calling it "hunting".
 
RE: He CLEARLY stated he was joking

I've shot them both...seems to me BIG mule deer are in a class by themselves. Otherwise,they seem fairly similar (I know the eastern folk hate to believe that), except they inhabit different types of terrain and differently vegetated areas.

Mule deer certainly live in better country....10 to 12 thousand feet up in the Rockies...it don't get no better 'n that.
 
RE: He CLEARLY stated he was joking

Jim does use bait. When he is whitetail hunting in Saskatchewan he is hunting over bait.
 
RE: He CLEARLY stated he was joking

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> I'n not a whitetail anti...They
>just dont do much for
>me.It's probably because of the
>500 whitey hunting shows (and
>magazine articles)on TV where they
>are hunting them over acres
>of a "plantation" or next
>to thier automatic feeders while
>they are sitting in a
>heated miniaturized hunting cabin with
>tripod legs 15' off of
>the ground.

I don't like that hunting style either. It is almost like cheating to me. If you do it the right way (my opinion), it is very challenging, not in much of a physical but mentally in outsmarting them. I enjoy it tremoundously.

I always laugh at the shows where they are acting like the deer are WILD :7 :7 with the hunter(s) are moving all around and talking or even walking/crawling through dead leaves and the deer doesn't run off. That is a joke, you would never see a whitey in the wild with in a 1/2 mile if you acted like that!


Mntman
"Hunting is where you prove yourself"
 
RE: He CLEARLY stated he was joking

> I'n not a whitetail anti...They
>just dont do much for
>me.It's probably because of the
>500 whitey hunting shows (and
>magazine articles)on TV where they
>are hunting them over acres
>of a "plantation" or next
>to thier automatic feeders while
>they are sitting in a
>heated miniaturized hunting cabin with
>tripod legs 15' off of
>the ground.

I don't like that hunting style either. It is almost like cheating to me. If you do it the right way (my opinion), it is very challenging, not in much of a physical but mentally in outsmarting them. I enjoy it tremoundously.

I always laugh at the shows where they are acting like the deer are WILD :7 :7 with the hunter(s) are moving all around and talking or even walking/crawling through dead leaves and the deer doesn't run off. That is a joke, you would never see a whitey in the wild with in a 1/2 mile if you acted like that!




Mntman

"Hunting is where you prove yourself"
 
RE: He CLEARLY stated he was joking

I don't like that hunting style either. It is almost like cheating to me. If you do it the right way (my opinion), it is very challenging, not in much of a physical but mentally in outsmarting them. I enjoy it tremoundously.

I always laugh at the shows where they are acting like the deer are WILD :7 :7 with the hunter(s) are moving all around and talking or even walking/crawling through dead leaves and the deer doesn't run off. That is a joke, you would never see a whitey in the wild with in a 1/2 mile if you acted like that!



Mntman

"Hunting is where you prove yourself"
 

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