thank's for coments & thanks lyman for your help w/picture se idaho black powder 210 5/8 35 3/4 outsidestalked 2hours through the rocks to find him gone. he returned 10 minutes later to check does & chase smaller buck off had to watch for awhile waiting for heart rate to slow. friend says shoot i say shaking cant hold steady laying prone is poor shooting position when heart is trying to get out of your chest. nothing like time in the hills w/ friends