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The elk herd on Southwest Desert just got a death notice. 250 tags more than what the biologist recommended. I think in the end the board approved 650 cow tags.

600 doe pronghorn tags on Parker Mountain seems rather excessive but I have not been in that area for a few years.

John Bair was by far the most reasonable board member today.

Dillon
www.dillonhoyt.com
 
Cattlemen and Livestock guys showed up to the meeting and had some influence, especially with the Southwest Desert decision.

I only got to watch about 30 minutes of the meeting as they discussed the antlerless "control" permits - tough situation but it did seem like John Bair was trying to get the board to try and balance both sportsmen's needs and livestock guys needs, but didn't have a lot of success.
 
desertpointbrian,

The Wasatch cow tags for the draw were reduced by about 1,000. However, you can still by a cow elk control permit to hunt on there when you are hunting other animals. I can't remember exactly, but I believe LE bull hunters, buck deer hunters, and spike elk hunters can purchase a reduced price control tag for cows. That unit is going to take another beating this year. Wildlife said in the meeting that the tags for the draw were reduced to encourage animals to come onto public lands from private and tribal lands.

Then bull tags were increased by more than 50. John Bair fought to reduce the slaughter, but there are three board members who must hate elk and love cattle ranchers.

SW Desert is going to get hammered because the ranchers came and complained. If I were an elk on SW Desert I would move to Nevada.

Dillon
www.dillonhoyt.com
 
LAST EDITED ON May-01-15 AT 03:59PM (MST)[p]

What a joke this system is flawed I wonder if they realize what common hunters do for the economy especially in small towns one day common guy will have no interest in putting up with this political crap
 
Grateful for those who spoke up on our behalf (sportsman). SW Desert will dissolve as a great unit. Don and Doyle even though very disliked by some deserve a pat on the back. Thanks for the feed.

"I'll see you all this coming fall in the Big Rock Candy Mountains!"

 
The sportsman that did speak I think did a great job. I think Bair is awesome. We all lost as sportsman. If any of you care about the future of elk in this state watch the whole meeting!! You guys setting on a bunch of elk points should have showed up! Anybody that cares for elk should have showed up. The cattleman want the elk gone in this state. I think that it is a joke that a handful of cattleman decide the outcome for our elk heards on public lands. These guys graze there cattle on public lands and make money off of public lands, yet elk that bring in millions of dollars that benefit this state and effect all these small communities, get the ax!!! cattleman bring nothing to the table!! the cattle on the mountain benefit the cattleman! No one else! watch the video the one county commissioner says "I own all the blm through that whole valley" last I looked blm was public land. I just wish we could get more sportsman involved at the racs and wildlife board meetings.
 
I think it is about time we as sportsman ban together and buy up the grazing rights on our good elk units. The BLM should put AUMs up for auction. Some are worth a lot more than the cattlemen are paying.
 
While it may seem like a solution, having sportsmen purchasing the AUMs would need to be done with eyes wide open, knowing the BLM or Forest Service system, the live stock system, and the legal system, inside and out, before attempting to solve the problem that way.

It is my understanding, although I could be incorrect, SFW purchased a fairly large group of cattle AUMs, that were offered for sale by a live stock grazer, on the Henry Mountain Unit. SFW was hoping to "retire" the AUMs and open up more opportunity to increase the number of buffalo on the unit. After the purchase was made, they were informed, by the BLM, I suppose, that they could not increase the number of buffalo, and if SFW was not going to graze cattle on their newly purchased AUMs the BLM would withdraw SFW's AUMs (in other words declare them nul and void) and sell new ones, to someone that would use them to grazing cattle.

This was done a number of years ago, again, I'm not sure but I believe SFW still owns the AUM but subleases them to a live stock operator, who uses them to graze cattle. And approved buffalo numbers have remained as they were prior to the SFW purchase.

Now........a year ago I asked a Henry's cattle grazer how many AUMs his operation owned. He said, "over 1,500, but we only put about 700/800 head of cows and calfs on the lease, because we don't want to over graze it. So........ we could put out another 600 or 700, if we wanted to. but we don't.

That was interesting to me. SFW can't send out Zero cattle, but a different AUM owner can send out "less" AUMs than he's licensed to graze.

So...............grazing less cattle/sheep is okay with the BLM/USFS but not grazing Zero cattle is not. Any sportsmen groups that purchase AUMs, with the intent of "helping elk or other big game" better present themselves, first as live stockmen, purchasing AUMs to graze livestock, then put "some" livestock, under their business name, and keep their mouth shut about what or why they are doing it.

Then make sure they get appointed to State boards, as live stock operators, not as sportsmen, then "lean" toward more elk or other big game, as live stock operators, when these issues of the numbers of elk come up, in any State meeting, be it a meeting with the Farm Bureau, the Legislature, the Feds or the Wildlife Board/DWR.

RMEF, SFW, MDF etc, can't do it. Here is the only way it can be done, in my opinion, and I think it needs to be done. I'd be willing to invest in it myself.

A group of sportsmen need to start a new company, something like a: "Big Valley Livestock Company" with real live stock, owned and operated by bragabit, elk_guy and dillon and 50 other sportsmen investors. (who just happen to like to hunt elk as a sport but run cattle as a business) If it's a legitimate livestock business I don't believe the BLM or USFS would have a leg to stand on if you decide to graze half as many cows as your AUM allows you to graze, and I don't think they could do a thing if you didn't contest conservation groups that lobby for and tolerate an increased in the number of elk and other big game.

At the present time, the Feds, ie: the BLM and USFS are not going to tolerate removing live stock grazing from public lands, whether you buy every AUM on the mountain or not. They'll simply just re-issue new ones, based on the fact that these are their lands to manage and right now they want live stock on them. (I have no problem with cattle and sheep on the mountains, these are multiple use lands, that includes live stock use. However, I do believe big game animals and hunters have a legitimate claim on an equitable share of the feed and the use of these lands, as part of the multiple use plan, as it was designed in the beginning.)

DC
 
I'm all for responsible grazing and shared use. I do feel like there should be some livestock grazing as it really helps to keep fresh grass growth every year. Also helps to keep the fire danger down.

Keep in mind ranchers are often times the sportsman's ally against the far left eco's and anti hunters.

Finally a AUM is an animal unit month, so if you have 1500 AUM's you would get to graze 300 cow-calf pairs for five months.
 
LAST EDITED ON May-04-15 AT 09:27AM (MST)[p]I watched about 5 hours of the wildlife board meeting.
John Bair did his best for sportsmen and our elk herds. SFW, RMEF, and MDF did their best to make a reasonable proposal with the DWR. Ranchers ruled and won the votes.

There is about 1,300 elk on SW Desert. The wildlife board ruled to kill off about 50% of the herd, because of lack of snow fall. Ranchers said there were more than 1300 elk. It was hard to have a great accurate count, because of poor snow conditions for the DWR to do counts this past year in many areas.

Last year we had good rains in June and July. We had poor snow pack then as well, but those rains produced a lot of grass and good feed. A rancher friend said million dollars rains. His cows did great in Northern Utah.

Bair said lets wait until August meetings and see what the range conditions are then. We might have to offer more elk permits or we might be OK if we get summer rains. A very reasonable thing to do. NO ELK hunts will be done prior to that time.
The board caved in to the ranchers and are going to drastically decrease the cow elk numbers and doe antelope.

I hope we have good summer rains. If we do, the wildlife board acted very poorly on behave of the resource and public.

If we have poor rain and a bad drought, the herds have to be cut to prevent over grazing for the health of the range.

We will see what happens.
 
Thanks for posting this. I think you folks in Utah are very lucky to have this kind of problem. You have lots of opportunity for quality hunts. I do think you pushed the ranchers a little too far and glad to see some give back on that southwest desert for a year or so. Good process you have. Bill
 
It has rained so much I have mushroom growing in my Lawn in Northern Ut with lots of rain in the forecast. They should have waited until August Meeting like John Bair suggested to cut tags if needed IMO.
 
Huntin50, I agree. We have had about 4 inches of rain in Minersville (Southwest Desert) in the last 3 weeks. More scheduled off and on for the next 5 days. If the division is going to try and cut the elk herd in half, I hope the cattlemen follow suit and only run half of their cattle on the range this year.
 

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