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BQHIdaho
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Here is a little something I pulled from ID F&G website. All those folks who dont give a crap about atvs affects on mule deer, read this. All those who care... enjoy the reading!
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BQHIdaho
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The impacts to mule deer from motorized vehicles can be broadly summarized in three categories.
Disturbance ? Many species of wildlife, including mule deer, are displaced from habitats adjacent to roads and motorized trails. In highly motorized areas, the ability of mule deer to make efficient use of otherwise suitable habitat near motorized roads and trails is compromised. The degree of displacement varies by type of activity and level of use. Research at the Starkey Experimental Station in Oregon has shown that elk are affected by motorized vehicle use at a distance of ? mile. The effects on mule deer were not as pronounced but deer generally were displaced into habitats that may have been less suitable. Displacement from preferred habitats can affect diet and energy conservation and thus survival and reproduction.
Buck vulnerability ? The increased popularity of OHV?s combined with the lack of regulations on their use, have provided hunters access to areas that were once difficult to get to and which provided important security habitat for deer. In heavily roaded areas, bucks are harvested by hunters at higher rates affecting the numbers of mature animals in the population. In response to this issue, Fish and Game has reduced antlered permit levels in controlled hunts, implemented short general hunting seasons, restricted huntind during November, and implemented a hunting season travel regulation in some units.
Hunting opportunity ? Hunting is one of the most important recreational activities on our public lands and should receive priority consideration in the decisions made by land management agencies. Our surveys consistently show that deer hunters want to hunt in areas where they encounter few other hunters and few motorized vehicles.
Whether you believe that there are too many roads and motorized trails in your hunting areas or not, you should let the land management agencies know your feelings. Opportunities to influence road and trail designation don't come along often. To get involved, contact the Forest Service or Bureau of Land Management office near your hunting area. Your local Fish and Game regional office can help you make the proper contacts, and are more than willing to help you to get involved.
?Roadless areas, in general, represent some of the best fish and wildlife habitat on public lands. The bad news is that there is nothing positive about a road where fish and wildlife habitat are concerned -- absolutely nothing.?
-------Jack Ward Thomas, retired Chief of the U.S. Forest Service
ATVs and Hunting: Impacts to Mule Deer
Randy Smith, Regional Wildlife Manager, Idaho Department of Fish and Game, Magic Valley Region
The use of ATV?s and motorbikes has increased astronomically in recent years. In 2005 more than 104,000 ATV?s and motorbikes were registered in Idaho; a 75% increase from 2001. Today an estimated 33% of Idahoans participate in off-highway vehicle (OHV) recreation with 20% using their ATV or motorbike primarily for hunting. Idaho currently ranks third in the United States after West Virginia and Wyoming in the percent of the population participating in OHV recreation.
As a mule deer hunter, why should this increasing trend in OHV use matter to you? Simply put, increased access to our wildlands influences the number of mule deer that we have and your opportunity to hunt them. That is because increased human activities influence how effectively mule deer can use available habitat; and thereby influences reproduction, fawn survival, buck vulnerability and ultimately deer numbers.
Deer hunter numbers in Idaho haven't changed much in the past 20 years. What has changed is access. The use of four-wheel drive trucks, ATV?s and motorbikes has allowed us to push into areas that were once remote, secure, and hard to get to. The result has often been fewer mature bucks, increasing conflicts between hunters, and more dissatisfied mule deer hunters.
A survey conducted by the Fish and Game in 1987 defined Idaho?s highest quality hunting product as ?an unroaded natural setting with an abundance of wildlife species, few other hunters, the opportunity to pursue animals of all age classes, and a chance to use and practice hunting skills with companions?. Providing ?unroaded settings? with ?few other hunters? has become increasingly difficult over the years, but hunters continue to let us know that these elements make for a satisfying hunting experience. The current deer hunter survey is expected to yield additional insight regarding ATVs and hunting, access, and other issues affecting hunter satisfaction.
Managing motorized vehicle use and access can have substantial benefits to mule deer and the hunting experience. While Fish and Game is working hard with programs like Access Yes! to improve access to hunting areas, managing access within those hunting areas is an important tool for providing more mature bucks and areas with lower numbers of hunters. Seasonal road closures and Fish and Game?s motorized vehicle rule have been employed to help address these issues.
In Idaho, the use of motorized vehicles in our hunting areas is largely regulated by the three primary land management agencies: the U.S. Forest Service, the Bureau of Land Management, and the Idaho Department of Lands. Recently, there have been few restrictions on how motorized vehicles could be used
Some Finer ?Points? on Mule Deer
Have you ever wondered about mule deer hair? We know it changes color from one season to the next, but there is much more to it than meets the eye. As you all know, mule deer live in a variety of climates throughout the West, from forests to deserts. To help survive extreme temperature fluctuations, they have some interesting fur adaptations.
At any given time, mule deer have several different types of hair in their coat. For example, an adult mule deer coat is composed of large guard hairs, intermediate guard hairs, mane hairs, and woolly under-hairs. Fawns have tufts of white-tipped hairs.
Mule deer coats change according to the animal?s age as well as to seasonal temperatures. Mule deer have four different pelages: natal (newborn), juvenile (fawn to yearling), adult summer, and adult winter. The adult winter pelage is the most complex, having all of the hair types, with each type at its greatest diameter. The summer coat does not have underfur and is longer with more slender guard hairs lying at an inclined angle to the skin. This ?design? is thought to shade the skin and to provide for efficient heat loss.
Mule deer molt their coats twice a year?spring and autumn. The autumn molt occurs when deer are in their best body condition with good food resources still available, which is key to producing a warm coat sufficient to meet winter?s energy demands.
(Information obtained from the Biomimicry Database at database.biomimicry.org.)
Mule Deer Update
An unauthorized ATV trail (circled) on this mountain in the Targhee National Forest north of Spencer has allowed unlawful access by ATVs to on state and most federal lands. But that is starting to change. Several forest offices are going through a ?travel planning? process or an in-depth review of their motorized road and trail system in response to the ?National Travel Management Rule? published in the Federal Register in 2005.
The opportunity to evaluate motorized recreation on our national forests happens rarely. The implications to mule deer management and deer hunting are significant, and Fish and Game is committing substantial resources to provide recommendations that are in the best interest of mule deer and mule deer hunting. However, it is important that you, as hunters, let your opinions be known regarding travel management in your hunting area. The final decisions on motorized travel will have long-lasting effects on deer management and hunting.
Disturbance ? Many species of wildlife, including mule deer, are displaced from habitats adjacent to roads and motorized trails. In highly motorized areas, the ability of mule deer to make efficient use of otherwise suitable habitat near motorized roads and trails is compromised. The degree of displacement varies by type of activity and level of use. Research at the Starkey Experimental Station in Oregon has shown that elk are affected by motorized vehicle use at a distance of ? mile. The effects on mule deer were not as pronounced but deer generally were displaced into habitats that may have been less suitable. Displacement from preferred habitats can affect diet and energy conservation and thus survival and reproduction.
Buck vulnerability ? The increased popularity of OHV?s combined with the lack of regulations on their use, have provided hunters access to areas that were once difficult to get to and which provided important security habitat for deer. In heavily roaded areas, bucks are harvested by hunters at higher rates affecting the numbers of mature animals in the population. In response to this issue, Fish and Game has reduced antlered permit levels in controlled hunts, implemented short general hunting seasons, restricted huntind during November, and implemented a hunting season travel regulation in some units.
Hunting opportunity ? Hunting is one of the most important recreational activities on our public lands and should receive priority consideration in the decisions made by land management agencies. Our surveys consistently show that deer hunters want to hunt in areas where they encounter few other hunters and few motorized vehicles.
Whether you believe that there are too many roads and motorized trails in your hunting areas or not, you should let the land management agencies know your feelings. Opportunities to influence road and trail designation don't come along often. To get involved, contact the Forest Service or Bureau of Land Management office near your hunting area. Your local Fish and Game regional office can help you make the proper contacts, and are more than willing to help you to get involved.
?Roadless areas, in general, represent some of the best fish and wildlife habitat on public lands. The bad news is that there is nothing positive about a road where fish and wildlife habitat are concerned -- absolutely nothing.?
-------Jack Ward Thomas, retired Chief of the U.S. Forest Service
ATVs and Hunting: Impacts to Mule Deer
Randy Smith, Regional Wildlife Manager, Idaho Department of Fish and Game, Magic Valley Region
The use of ATV?s and motorbikes has increased astronomically in recent years. In 2005 more than 104,000 ATV?s and motorbikes were registered in Idaho; a 75% increase from 2001. Today an estimated 33% of Idahoans participate in off-highway vehicle (OHV) recreation with 20% using their ATV or motorbike primarily for hunting. Idaho currently ranks third in the United States after West Virginia and Wyoming in the percent of the population participating in OHV recreation.
As a mule deer hunter, why should this increasing trend in OHV use matter to you? Simply put, increased access to our wildlands influences the number of mule deer that we have and your opportunity to hunt them. That is because increased human activities influence how effectively mule deer can use available habitat; and thereby influences reproduction, fawn survival, buck vulnerability and ultimately deer numbers.
Deer hunter numbers in Idaho haven't changed much in the past 20 years. What has changed is access. The use of four-wheel drive trucks, ATV?s and motorbikes has allowed us to push into areas that were once remote, secure, and hard to get to. The result has often been fewer mature bucks, increasing conflicts between hunters, and more dissatisfied mule deer hunters.
A survey conducted by the Fish and Game in 1987 defined Idaho?s highest quality hunting product as ?an unroaded natural setting with an abundance of wildlife species, few other hunters, the opportunity to pursue animals of all age classes, and a chance to use and practice hunting skills with companions?. Providing ?unroaded settings? with ?few other hunters? has become increasingly difficult over the years, but hunters continue to let us know that these elements make for a satisfying hunting experience. The current deer hunter survey is expected to yield additional insight regarding ATVs and hunting, access, and other issues affecting hunter satisfaction.
Managing motorized vehicle use and access can have substantial benefits to mule deer and the hunting experience. While Fish and Game is working hard with programs like Access Yes! to improve access to hunting areas, managing access within those hunting areas is an important tool for providing more mature bucks and areas with lower numbers of hunters. Seasonal road closures and Fish and Game?s motorized vehicle rule have been employed to help address these issues.
In Idaho, the use of motorized vehicles in our hunting areas is largely regulated by the three primary land management agencies: the U.S. Forest Service, the Bureau of Land Management, and the Idaho Department of Lands. Recently, there have been few restrictions on how motorized vehicles could be used
Some Finer ?Points? on Mule Deer
Have you ever wondered about mule deer hair? We know it changes color from one season to the next, but there is much more to it than meets the eye. As you all know, mule deer live in a variety of climates throughout the West, from forests to deserts. To help survive extreme temperature fluctuations, they have some interesting fur adaptations.
At any given time, mule deer have several different types of hair in their coat. For example, an adult mule deer coat is composed of large guard hairs, intermediate guard hairs, mane hairs, and woolly under-hairs. Fawns have tufts of white-tipped hairs.
Mule deer coats change according to the animal?s age as well as to seasonal temperatures. Mule deer have four different pelages: natal (newborn), juvenile (fawn to yearling), adult summer, and adult winter. The adult winter pelage is the most complex, having all of the hair types, with each type at its greatest diameter. The summer coat does not have underfur and is longer with more slender guard hairs lying at an inclined angle to the skin. This ?design? is thought to shade the skin and to provide for efficient heat loss.
Mule deer molt their coats twice a year?spring and autumn. The autumn molt occurs when deer are in their best body condition with good food resources still available, which is key to producing a warm coat sufficient to meet winter?s energy demands.
(Information obtained from the Biomimicry Database at database.biomimicry.org.)
Mule Deer Update
An unauthorized ATV trail (circled) on this mountain in the Targhee National Forest north of Spencer has allowed unlawful access by ATVs to on state and most federal lands. But that is starting to change. Several forest offices are going through a ?travel planning? process or an in-depth review of their motorized road and trail system in response to the ?National Travel Management Rule? published in the Federal Register in 2005.
The opportunity to evaluate motorized recreation on our national forests happens rarely. The implications to mule deer management and deer hunting are significant, and Fish and Game is committing substantial resources to provide recommendations that are in the best interest of mule deer and mule deer hunting. However, it is important that you, as hunters, let your opinions be known regarding travel management in your hunting area. The final decisions on motorized travel will have long-lasting effects on deer management and hunting.
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MacVsog
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LAST EDITED ON May-17-08 AT 09:18PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON May-17-08 AT 09:17 PM (MST)
AND NO MORE CAMPING.... stay in town and drive out to where the pavement ends camping in the woods disturbs the deer
AND NO MORE CAMPING.... stay in town and drive out to where the pavement ends camping in the woods disturbs the deer
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manny15
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>LAST EDITED ON May-17-08
>AT 09:18?PM (MST)
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>LAST EDITED ON May-17-08
>AT 09:17 PM (MST)
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>AND NO MORE CAMPING.... stay in
>town and drive out to
>where the pavement ends
> camping in the woods
>disturbs the deer
LOL.........
>AT 09:18?PM (MST)
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>LAST EDITED ON May-17-08
>AT 09:17 PM (MST)
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>AND NO MORE CAMPING.... stay in
>town and drive out to
>where the pavement ends
> camping in the woods
>disturbs the deer
LOL.........
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264winmag
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Amen MacV. Just start giving our access rights away and see where it leads.
Take a kid hunting. You will enjoy it more than they do!
Take a kid hunting. You will enjoy it more than they do!
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264winmag
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Pecker,
If you don't have something to add crawl back in your liberial hole...
Take a kid hunting. You will enjoy it more than they do!
If you don't have something to add crawl back in your liberial hole...
Take a kid hunting. You will enjoy it more than they do!
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264winmag
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Call it giving it away or having it taken from you, either way you slice it these "management plans" in NM are infringing on our right to reasonable access.
In the Lincoln national forest it is one road closurer after another and if the tree hughers have it their way there will be no access altogether. With the exception of just a few major dirt roads, it is pavement only.
The "plan" has still not been approved but if it is, additional restrictions will be implemented.
This a slippery slope that in my experience we don't want to go down.
Take a kid hunting. You will enjoy it more than they do!
In the Lincoln national forest it is one road closurer after another and if the tree hughers have it their way there will be no access altogether. With the exception of just a few major dirt roads, it is pavement only.
The "plan" has still not been approved but if it is, additional restrictions will be implemented.
This a slippery slope that in my experience we don't want to go down.
Take a kid hunting. You will enjoy it more than they do!
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BQHIdaho
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Oh, did i mention this article is from ID F&G's website... I didn't write it. F&G notices the problem and this is there findings, which I agree with.
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264winmag
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What the hell is the military comment?
Deep breaths son. Deep breaths
Take a kid hunting. You will enjoy it more than they do!
Deep breaths son. Deep breaths
Take a kid hunting. You will enjoy it more than they do!
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264winmag
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Doing it to ourselves?
You assume I ride off trail. For that matter your assuming I own a ATV.
Deep breaths
You assume I ride off trail. For that matter your assuming I own a ATV.
Deep breaths
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bobcatbess
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WOW!!!
TEMPERS ARE ABOUT TO FLARE!!!
REMEMBER!!!
ALL THE FRICKEN LAWS IN THE WORLD ARE WORTHLESS WITHOUT ENFORCEMENT!!!
THATS WHERE THE TUNE-UP COMES IN HANDY!!!
NO,I DON'T REALLY LIKE DOING THEM!!!
I DON'T REALLY FEEL I SHOULD HAVE TO DO THEM!!!
BUT WITH 8 MILLION JACKASSES BREAKING THE LAWS & DESTROYING WHAT CAN NEVER BE REPLACED I BEEN LEFT WITH FEW OPTIONS!!!
JUST LET THE AIR OUT OF THE CYLINDER!!!
IT AIN'T HARD TO DO!!!
THEN MAYBE THEY CAN HURRY & NOTIFY LAW ENFORCEMENT & EXPLAIN TO THEM WHY THE POS IS BACK IN WHERE IT SHOULDN'T BE???
I'LL BE PACKIN EXTRA ARMOR PIERCING TARGET BULLETS THIS YEAR!!!
I HAVE BEEN LEFT WITH NO CHOICE!!!
I COULD JUST STAND AROUND WITH MY TEETH IN MY MOUTH & MY BRAIN IN NEUTRAL (LIKE THE USFS!!!) BUT THAT JUST AIN'T MY STYLE!!!
I MENTIONED SEVERAL YEARS AGO THIS WAS A MAJOR PROBLEM BUT NOBODY LISTENED TO ME DID THEY???
WE'VE GOT TO COMPLETELY DESTROY IT BEFORE PEOPLE WAKE THE HELL UP & SEE THE LIGHT!!!
THIS IS MY NEW GUN,YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT,YOU'LL LIKE IT A HELL OF A LOT LESS WHEN IT HITS ITS DESTINATION!!!
THE ONLY bobcat THAT KNOWS ALOT OF YOU HAVE HAD THIS IMAGE IN YOUR PEA BRAIN BUT DUE TO POOR SHOOTING TACTICS I'M STILL KICKIN!!!
TEMPERS ARE ABOUT TO FLARE!!!
REMEMBER!!!
ALL THE FRICKEN LAWS IN THE WORLD ARE WORTHLESS WITHOUT ENFORCEMENT!!!
THATS WHERE THE TUNE-UP COMES IN HANDY!!!
NO,I DON'T REALLY LIKE DOING THEM!!!
I DON'T REALLY FEEL I SHOULD HAVE TO DO THEM!!!
BUT WITH 8 MILLION JACKASSES BREAKING THE LAWS & DESTROYING WHAT CAN NEVER BE REPLACED I BEEN LEFT WITH FEW OPTIONS!!!
JUST LET THE AIR OUT OF THE CYLINDER!!!
IT AIN'T HARD TO DO!!!
THEN MAYBE THEY CAN HURRY & NOTIFY LAW ENFORCEMENT & EXPLAIN TO THEM WHY THE POS IS BACK IN WHERE IT SHOULDN'T BE???
I'LL BE PACKIN EXTRA ARMOR PIERCING TARGET BULLETS THIS YEAR!!!
I HAVE BEEN LEFT WITH NO CHOICE!!!
I COULD JUST STAND AROUND WITH MY TEETH IN MY MOUTH & MY BRAIN IN NEUTRAL (LIKE THE USFS!!!) BUT THAT JUST AIN'T MY STYLE!!!
I MENTIONED SEVERAL YEARS AGO THIS WAS A MAJOR PROBLEM BUT NOBODY LISTENED TO ME DID THEY???
WE'VE GOT TO COMPLETELY DESTROY IT BEFORE PEOPLE WAKE THE HELL UP & SEE THE LIGHT!!!
THIS IS MY NEW GUN,YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT,YOU'LL LIKE IT A HELL OF A LOT LESS WHEN IT HITS ITS DESTINATION!!!
THE ONLY bobcat THAT KNOWS ALOT OF YOU HAVE HAD THIS IMAGE IN YOUR PEA BRAIN BUT DUE TO POOR SHOOTING TACTICS I'M STILL KICKIN!!!
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Bucks4brains
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Its true ! Giving up our access rights will lead to NO ACCESS!!! And hunters ! This runaway train is being driven by the Inviros. Back in the glory days( when there were more & bigger bucks) there was alot more access than we have in the present time, explain that one for me?
Oh, I can hear the crys, Bucks is a road hunter. Any one that knows me knows that's bull, I Put on as many or more back country miles as any one & prefer the back country. Studys can be manipulated in any form you would like. On private property there are more ATV trails than you can count, yet there are still plenty of big bucks to be had.
Oh, I can hear the crys, Bucks is a road hunter. Any one that knows me knows that's bull, I Put on as many or more back country miles as any one & prefer the back country. Studys can be manipulated in any form you would like. On private property there are more ATV trails than you can count, yet there are still plenty of big bucks to be had.
The difference is that back in the glory days there might have been only a couple of 4x4s in every small town and there were a lot less roads, less road closures but less roads. I own 2 4x4s myself there are many more people living in the west all with the ability to go most anywhere driving some new high tec motor vehicle. I guess people see things differently depending where they come from. I grew up in nevada and every year there is more ATV traffic and less quality deer areas. lots of open country and no where to hide,look at some of the bucks that used to come out of the manti area in utah, no more the ATVs are everywhere. human visitors are controlled on private property thats not a good option on most public land
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Bucks4brains
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Some good points piper!
Don't get me wrong, I agree that encroaching on the home range of a mature Mule Deer buck will turn him nocturnal and maybe even desturb his liveley hood, hell! I hate seeing some gomer cutting across country on his ATV as much as any hunter! We can argue maybe this? And maybe that? All day!
My point is this, The inviros are the driving force behind the road closures, and this is only a start for them.
Don't get me wrong, I agree that encroaching on the home range of a mature Mule Deer buck will turn him nocturnal and maybe even desturb his liveley hood, hell! I hate seeing some gomer cutting across country on his ATV as much as any hunter! We can argue maybe this? And maybe that? All day!
My point is this, The inviros are the driving force behind the road closures, and this is only a start for them.
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Bucks,
I see your point. There is no use for the "agency's" to complain
when they will not enforce the existing rules. The ATV's are not the problem. Its the morons who drive them. When they start confiscating them and fining the $1,000 min for each offense.
I like riding my ATV's on trails with my kids. I am against new trails. We already have enough of them in the area I live. There is enough room if they are driven responsibly.
I see your point. There is no use for the "agency's" to complain
when they will not enforce the existing rules. The ATV's are not the problem. Its the morons who drive them. When they start confiscating them and fining the $1,000 min for each offense.
I like riding my ATV's on trails with my kids. I am against new trails. We already have enough of them in the area I live. There is enough room if they are driven responsibly.
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RACKMASTER
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yawn!!!!
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tageater
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"When they start confiscating them and fining the $1,000 min for each offense."----- right on woodruff....
but until they do.....i agree RACK, yawn!
When this and the other 50 post about anti-4 wheelers first came out by BQHidaho i was thinking TROLL trying to start something again, and i'm still not sure its not.
but until they do.....i agree RACK, yawn!
When this and the other 50 post about anti-4 wheelers first came out by BQHidaho i was thinking TROLL trying to start something again, and i'm still not sure its not.
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manny15
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LAST EDITED ON May-19-08 AT 08:24AM (MST)[p]every year this subject come's up, with the same results also I might add.
I see it every year when it come's to hunting deer on ATV's, I take my usual stand up high and watch all the dummies crashing the brush with their ATV's trying to push deer, and i just laugh when i see a smart ole buck just duck down and wait till they pass.
thats why I could care less, unless their breaking a law, then I give 'em chit....
I see it every year when it come's to hunting deer on ATV's, I take my usual stand up high and watch all the dummies crashing the brush with their ATV's trying to push deer, and i just laugh when i see a smart ole buck just duck down and wait till they pass.
thats why I could care less, unless their breaking a law, then I give 'em chit....
cabinfever
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The Enviro's are not the only advocates for fewer ATV trails. I own an ATV and I agree that we need to take a hard look at where we are letting people drive them. I also believe the growing popularity of ATV's in the last 10 years has resulted in a lower age class of bucks.
As they say in Utah: "the farther you walk away from a road the closer you are getting to another road".
There is alot of talk about habitat, predator control, micro management and the list goes on, but I fear the uncontrolled use of ATV's on public land may affect our deer herds more than one may think.
Mike
As they say in Utah: "the farther you walk away from a road the closer you are getting to another road".
There is alot of talk about habitat, predator control, micro management and the list goes on, but I fear the uncontrolled use of ATV's on public land may affect our deer herds more than one may think.
Mike
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RACKMASTER
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I was going to be silent about this however.......
YOU GUYS WHINE ABOUT QUADS TO MUCH.. and we all seen reports about blah blah bla!!!!!!
OK everyone take the word ATV OR QUAD and replace with Road Hunter..(make everyone pack in)!
then replace with JEEP
then replace with UTV
then replace with gas company
then replace with freeway
then replace with housing development
then get off your ass and report the bad (not only ATVs riders but the dickhead shoot from his truck or across the road or the same guy who shoots a small animal and walks away or shoots his son or wife animal, even the yahoo who drinking a beer while driving to the spot makes mad ...take a picture..I REPORT EVERY ONE!
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YOU GUYS WHINE ABOUT QUADS TO MUCH.. and we all seen reports about blah blah bla!!!!!!
OK everyone take the word ATV OR QUAD and replace with Road Hunter..(make everyone pack in)!
then replace with JEEP
then replace with UTV
then replace with gas company
then replace with freeway
then replace with housing development
then get off your ass and report the bad (not only ATVs riders but the dickhead shoot from his truck or across the road or the same guy who shoots a small animal and walks away or shoots his son or wife animal, even the yahoo who drinking a beer while driving to the spot makes mad ...take a picture..I REPORT EVERY ONE!
rm
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Hornhog2
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"Anymore the forest service is nothing more than a bunch of tree huggers."
Don't like what they do? Just curious if you go to the public meetings and give your input on things such as overland travel and road closures? Yeah...thats what I thought.
Don't like what they do? Just curious if you go to the public meetings and give your input on things such as overland travel and road closures? Yeah...thats what I thought.
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BQHIdaho
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Buck, Who the heck is TROLL? Nope, im not him, just a concerned sportsman, and I'm not a tree hugger, i'm a conservationalist.
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tageater
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I went out last night to do some "research" of my own on this subject, and i can confirm, that 1.) Mule deer are NOT affected by the use of 4 wheelers in any proximity to them. in general they acted like i wasn't there. and 2.) if there isn't a trail to where you need to be, making one with a 4 wheeler is easy!
Cam@strawberry
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Whine and complain all ya want about having to walk down that ridge to your favorite little hunny hole where ya kill a trophy two point every year. close it for a couple of years and you will be killing a trophy four point instead, and then if your still upset that you have to hump it down in there, come and complain to someone who can change it aka the tree hugging forest service. you want better hunting but arent willing to sacrifice for it so hmm what gives? the way i see it, this is not about removing your access its about getting rid of all of the roads that go down every ridge and into every canyon that most hunters should be walking down instead of riding. its killing off all of the habitat and forcing more and more deer into smaller and smaller areas. Which equals for those of you who cant add two and two together smaller and less deer. i enjoy riding a fourwheeler just as much as the next guy but the amount of roads and trails that are around or have just been made is getting ridiculous. the fines are worthless and enforcement is nonexistant so is change on the way? probably not unless a large group can get together and make it happen which given the past probably will not happen! oh well i guess ill just live with my true utah trophy two point ;-)
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pinenut
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+1 to Berry...well said.
One road in, one road out. The spiderweb of motor vehicle routes now in existence on public land needs to be cut back significantly...this is the easiest way to significantly improve quality without sacrificing opportunity.
-RPinenut
One road in, one road out. The spiderweb of motor vehicle routes now in existence on public land needs to be cut back significantly...this is the easiest way to significantly improve quality without sacrificing opportunity.
-RPinenut
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RACKMASTER
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BERRYBLASTER!PINENUT! Sounds like a fruit salad all it needs is yogurt...lol
I am hungry....... yummmie!
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I am hungry....... yummmie!
rm
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BQHIdaho
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so rackmaster, which racks are you the so called master.... mmm...
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RACKMASTER
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hay Ho........
use your Imagination... I done and mastered almost everything that has a rack!
meat racks
boobs (racks)
deer racks
salad bar racks
racks for tack
hat racks
boot rack
CD's rack
wishing I was a GYNO rack (until I had an image what ladies you must...OK I'll be nice)
shower racks
gun rack
dishwasher rack
I hit the rack
my new RICON QAUD has racks
my wine rack
I racked my nards(which hurt like heck because the are the size of avocado) once on a bicycle(I was 11)
I don't do tennis racket
so did I miss anything?
rackmaster
use your Imagination... I done and mastered almost everything that has a rack!
meat racks
boobs (racks)
deer racks
salad bar racks
racks for tack
hat racks
boot rack
CD's rack
wishing I was a GYNO rack (until I had an image what ladies you must...OK I'll be nice)
shower racks
gun rack
dishwasher rack
I hit the rack
my new RICON QAUD has racks
my wine rack
I racked my nards(which hurt like heck because the are the size of avocado) once on a bicycle(I was 11)
I don't do tennis racket
so did I miss anything?
rackmaster
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BQHIdaho
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I do believe that pretty much covers it.. lol..
