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"I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Wow, what an adventure I had this past week. I went from being almost killed to taking a dandy buck.

This was the first year that my son (Devan) accompanied me on a backcountry mule deer hunt. He's 11 years old and next year will be old enough to hunt, so I really wanted to get a buck. In early summer, I had decided to set my standards low as to increase the odds of taking a buck while my son was tagging along.
BUT, with each scouting trip, I realized more and more that it just wasn't in me to kill a lesser deer. With each scouting trip, I found better bucks. On my 4th trip, after backpacking in 6 miles, I rounded a ridge and spotted this bad boy on the opposite slope. I only got to look at him for a few minutes before he disappeared. I knew he was the best I had seen....by far. So, that's where we would be hunting.

The day before the opener, me, my dad (Bud), my son (Devan), and buddy (James), loaded our 4 horses from Wolfley Horse Rentals and began up the mountain. Only a mile into our pack trip, an outfitter with a packstring of horses passed us. One of our horses decided she wanted to climb the mountain with their pack string and got loose from James. I volunteered to run ahead try to catch our pack horse. After running 500 yards up the trail, I caught up to the pack string. As I tried to walk around a horse the outfitter was training, it kicked me....I think in the head....because my head hurt a lot!
Laughing now...But NOT then. (Note the cuts on my face in the pictures...it hurt)

I was out cold for 5-10 minutes. I can only imagine how scared my dad and son were when they finally caught up and saw me bloody and out cold.....

After about an hour of dad and James explaining to me over and over what had happened, we continued up the mountain 5 more miles to where I wanted to camp. (I probably should have gone to the hospital...just in case...but)

The next morning was opening morning. Devan and I took off headed for the knob just above where I hoped the big buck would be when the sun came up. Unfortunately, we were 10 minutes late, arriving 10 minutes after light. As we approached the knob there were two guys moving around quickly, setting up to shoot at something below. I was bummed that they had beat us there, but was hoping they were just shooting at a little buck and that I would turn up the big one at a later time.

Anyway, I told my son, "They're going to shoot" and we just stood there behind the dad and son about 10 feet. I still couldn't see what the boy was shooting at. He shot once, then again. Curiousity got the best of me and I took two steps forward and peaked over the edge and saw a big buck bounding down the hill as the boys third shot rang out.
After seeing that it was a big buck, instinct took over and I hit the dirt, setup the bipod. As I was doing this, the boy shot his 4th and final round and began reloading and his dad began shooting (as well as another guy 80 yards to our right).
After the dad shot two rounds, the buck disappeared into a deep ravine. I really didn't think it would reappear until it was way out of rifle range.

The buck seemed to be gone for a good 10 seconds before appearing again on the other side of the ravine. When he reappeared he ran another 30 yards to the top of a small ridge and stopped. He was at what I guessed was 400-425 yards. There were no other shots after he came out of the ravine, so I assumed everyone had lost track of him.
Anyway, I waited for the buck to stop and when he did I shot. The buck dropped like a rock, and I yelled out, "there's, he's down!"

I watched the buck for about 10 seconds as he kicked for just a couple seconds then laid still. I thought all was over, and turned to the dad and boy next to me to basically apologize for shooting the buck. But, if I hadn't, that deer would have gotten away. I'm sure of it. I felt really bad that the boy had missed...he really should have been the one who killed the deer.

When I looked back to relocate the buck, he was gone. After 2 minutes of glassing, I spotted him bedded down the hill about 80 yards. He was obviously very sick. I took my time and shot again....I believe I hit him again.
When he jumped up another guy shot, then I shot again (that time for sure missing). The buck made it 30 yards to a stand of pines and laid down again. I waited for him to come out of the pines for several minutes, and when he didn't, I decided he must be dead.

After all that, I turned to my son and said, "I think we got the big buck!" and down the mountain we began.

As we made our way down the mountain, ANOTHER guy also was sneaking down the hill. He had seen the buck go into the pines and was sneaking in, then he shot at the buck twice.

Devan and I arrived at the deer and that guy said it still had its head up so he finished it off. I thanked him for finishing the deer for me.

Then, ANOTHER guy shows up at the deer. It was the brother of the guy who finished off the buck. He explained that he thought he had also hit the buck...and probably did. After I showed him where the buck had first gone down after my shot, he agreed that he had shot it after it was already wounded. We found plenty of blood in the spot where it had first gone down and my hit was such that the buck probably wasn't going to go far.
Thanks to them for finishing the buck off. I don't think the buck would have made it far, but you never really know.

When all was said and done, I figured that there were atleast 5 hunters who were trying to kill this buck. I shouldn't have been the one to kill it, that young kid should have. But, he and his dad missed. After they shot 6 rounds, I couldn't help letting one loose myself. Heck, I was there for that deer too!!

I still feel bad for the kid. The two other guys who were hunting for the buck and who had also shot at it, were also a bit bummed. They had arrived 3 days before the hunt opened and saw the buck. They also "really" wanted to get him.

So, there's my hunting story. Hunting is much funner when there's not 4 other guys on the same hill you're on 7-1/2 miles from the nearest road. It's also more fun when you don't get kicked in the head by a horse the day before the opener. I'm glad my son was there. I wish it would have turned out better (you know, less hunters and less kicks in the head), but sometimes you get what you get.......just deal with it.
We got the big buck and that was pretty darn cool.
He's a little over 30 inches wide, has 8 points on one side and 7 on the other.




Brian Latturner
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 RE: I Got A Bi...  browtine      Sep-18-08   1 
 RE: I Got A Bi...  gznokes      Sep-18-08   2 
 RE: I Got A Bi...  kingfish      Sep-18-08   3 
  RE: I Got A Bi...  Founder      Sep-18-08   4 
   RE: I Got A Bi...  FamilyMan      Sep-18-08   7 
  RE: I Got A Bi...  ktc      Sep-18-08   5 
   RE: I Got A Bi...  UTodd      Sep-18-08   6 
 RE: I Got A Bi...  BOHNTR      Sep-18-08   8 
 RE: I Got A Bi...  shotgunjim      Sep-18-08   9 
  RE: I Got A Bi...  HunterHarry      Sep-18-08   11 
  RE: I Got A Bi...  hntbambi      Sep-18-08   12 
  RE: I Got A Bi...  thebuckstop...      Sep-18-08   17 
  RE: I Got A Bi...  HighWidenHa...      Sep-18-08   29 
 RE: I Got A Bi...  antlerquest      Sep-18-08   10 
  RE: I Got A Bi...  BCBOY      Sep-18-08   15 
 RE: I Got A Bi...  xitnet      Sep-18-08   13 
  RE: I Got A Bi...  Coyote_chas...      Sep-18-08   14 
  RE: I Got A Bi...  ICHABOD      Sep-18-08   16 
   RE: I Got A Bi...  jdh      Sep-18-08   18 
   RE: I Got A Bi...  Gator      Sep-18-08   20 
 RE: I Got A Bi...  mossback1313      Sep-18-08   19 
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  RE: I Got A Bi...  muleycrazy      Sep-18-08   28 
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    RE: I Got A Bi...  browtine      Sep-18-08   31 
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      RE: I Got A Bi...  Founder      Sep-19-08   37 
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browtine
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Sep-18-08, 
04:20 PM (MST)
1. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Great job!!! Congrats on another MonsterMuley!!!

Later, Brandon

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gznokes
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Sep-18-08, 
04:20 PM (MST)
2. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

All in all, those guys sound pretty cool. I can imagine a million scenarios where that situation takes a turn for the worse.

Great buck. I love that classic 6 point frame. You should mount him with all the ragged velvet. I makes him look tough.

Glad the horse injury wasn't more serious.

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Sep-18-08, 
04:29 PM (MST)
3. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Congrats Brian, Thank goodness you weren't seriously hurt. Good thing he kicked ya in the head other wise he might have hurt ya??? Ha!. Are you going to mount him with the velvet?

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Founder
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Sep-18-08, 
04:39 PM (MST)
4. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

LOL kingfish!!!

I think I will keep the velvet just as it is. I don't want to change what it is, you know? That's the way the buck was.

Brian Latturner
MonsterMuleys.com

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FamilyMan
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Sep-18-08, 
04:51 PM (MST)
7. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Brian - congrats on a great buck. Glad you were not hurt any worse than you were.

Pretty amazing story. Who would have thought so many guys would have ben on the same buck so far in from the road. Just amazing really, amazing.


Mark

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Sep-18-08, 
04:45 PM (MST)
5. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Sweet buck Brian. You kind of have a knack for those big deer.

I agree, good thing you got hit in the head and not somewhere it could have hurt you! Ha! Seriously, those horse wrecks can be bad. Glad you were not hurt real bad.

Why did the guide not stop so you could grab the horse?

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Sep-18-08, 
04:47 PM (MST)
6. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Great buck. I am glad everything turned out well- especially with that many cooks in the kitchen.

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Sep-18-08, 
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8. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

That a way to use your head! Nice buck Brian.....congratulations.

BOHNTR )))---------->

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Sep-18-08, 
05:14 PM (MST)
9. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Hopefully some old guy with a bunch of big bucks already on his wall doesn't come along and shoot a big buck out from under your son next year.

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HunterHarry
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Sep-18-08, 
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11. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

You are building a fine collections of trophies.
Big Time Congrats!
HH

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hntbambi
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Sep-18-08, 
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12. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

LAST EDITED ON Sep-18-08 AT 05:38 PM (MST)

Amen to that Jim!

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06:22 PM (MST)
17. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

>Hopefully some old guy with a
>bunch of big bucks already
>on his wall doesn't come
>along and shoot a big
>buck out from under your
>son next year.


I have a feeling this comment is made in jest, and I hope so.

Most guys would have ran over the top of the kid and his dad to score their big buck without letting the kid take one shot, let alone four.

Kudos to Founder for a great buck! My guess is that kid won't miss next time.

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Sep-18-08, 
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29. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

>Hopefully some old guy with a
>bunch of big bucks already
>on his wall doesn't come
>along and shoot a big
>buck out from under your
>son next year.

WOW Jim That's quite a stab! "shooting a buck out from under
him" It's too bad, but it doesn't sound like anyone shot one
out from under a person or persons that couldn't hit him! Not
many hunters looking at a buck like that would give anybody first shot let alone six! How long do you think those other hunters had a claim on that deer, the entire season? It's too bad the kid or the dad didn't get the buck,but you have to admit they did get first shot several of them! I have the utmost respect for Brian for giving them soo many chances! By the way both father and son congradulated Brian for the good shot he made!

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Sep-18-08, 
05:25 PM (MST)
10. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

great story, awesome to share with your dad and boy. and oh yeah that buck is bad azzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz! nice.
AQ.

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BCBOY
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Sep-18-08, 
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15. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Brian,
Having witnessed several horse wrecks in the past, I know how scary they can be. Good to see you came out of it alright. That buck is a bruiser. Glad you were able to share the hunt with your boy and your dad. It's an awesome experience hunting with family like that.

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13. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

LAST EDITED ON Sep-18-08 AT 05:48 PM (MST)

Founder,
That's one heck of a story and a super buck. After the kick in the head, you deserved the deer.
Congrats!

Geez Jim, did you read where the kid and father missed 6 times and lost track of it. Plus the deer was over 400 yards when Founder shot. If he hadn't of killed it, then one of the other guys would have. Lighten up.

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Coyote_chaser
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14. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Is it always that crowded in WY?

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16. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Great Buck Brian!
Congrats and hope that kick in the head doesnt leave a scar...you aint handsome enough to pull that off! LOL

------------------------------------------------------
By the way,
I live in UT.
There are a lot of UTARDS that live here.
I have also seen quite a few WYOMORONS, NEVADUHNS, COLORADORKS, ID-IOTS and AIRHEADZONANS in my travels.

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18. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Congrats on a great buck Brian. Lets hope your head doesn't swell up!!!!!! From the horse kick that is.. lol. Glad your okay.

jdh

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20. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Very nice buck we didn't see one like him but we did find some decent ones,

Those trails are so steep and nasty, the swithbacks can cause some wreck did for us, but they wasn't as bad as yours.

I think we talked to the same outfitter up on the mountain his son and daughter killed a couple nice bucks and came by our camp.
We did see a gray wolf up there so that is bad new, we did hear and see some bulls in the rut.


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19. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

LAST EDITED ON Sep-18-08 AT 07:16 PM (MST)

Hey great buck Brian! Awesome! You had every right to shoot that buck. While you do feel bad for that boy that boy had his shot or 6 of them. When I was 16 I was once shooting at a 25 inch (give or take) 4x5 and I shot twice and missed him and some guy heard my shots came up and nailed him dead and I ended up bagging a fork horn that was with that big boy, I wasn't happy but it was my fault. If that kid and his dad are smart they'll see it as a learning lesson.

1. Control your buck fever (although with a monster that big its not easy)

2. Practice shooting as much as you can before the hunt so if it does come down to the wire and other guys are shooting at the same big buck as you, you'll hit it first.

That's huntin the rifle season boys.

Those are hard lessons I learned the day I lost that 4x5 and I haven't had the same problem ever again.

I drew a West Desert Vernon rifle tag this year and I'm going to bag a buck that big or bigger so Brian we'll have to compare after its all said and done and whoever loses has to buy the other one a dinner of his choice and we can invite our buddies and swap huntin stories...sound good?

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21. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Brian, I have proof read the entire story twice, and all the grammar appears to be in order! (inside joke lol). Anyways, congrats on another huge Muley, what is that like your eleventy first one? Someday I am gonna start hunting out of state so I can start catching up!!!

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22. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

great story and awsome buck, congrats

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23. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Brian,

Congrats on a great buck!!!

I can only imagine, when those other guys saw you walking up on your buck and saw your bloodied up face, they probably thought to themselves, this guy is a fighter and can take a licken.

Just let him alone with his deer and nobody else will get hurt.

So the kick to the head probaly helped everyone avert a major conflict. Blessings of the "trail Knock out" TKO.

CS

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24. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Great Buck !!! Nice shootin' , Looks like you had to go one on one with the buck ! Congrats'

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27. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Ruh Roh Rhaggy, looks like we got some serious jealousy going on here.

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26. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Great lookin buck Brian
Good Luck and Great Memories

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28. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Brian,
sweet buck........I want to know though how you always get a WYO tag, last year you had H and had too of burned up your points. Resident I guess. If you drew again as a non resident you really are a lucky guy, go straight to VEGAS !!

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30. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Nice job Brian - that is a heck of a buck. You are right, that kid should have shot that buck, but he didn't. Life is full of disappointments and he probably needs to learn to get over it! Seriously though, get your head checked out - you could have lingering effects from that concussion you got!


UTROY
Proverbs 21:19 (why I hunt!)

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31. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

+1 Roy. I think a little plastic surgery wouldn't hurt either

Later, Brandon

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35. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Brian, Congratulations! After the thread that ran on this website a few weeks ago about who gets the deer when multiple people shoot it I was wondering how this would end. I personally feel that you mortally wounded the buck and for that reason it would have been yours, no question, but there were many on here that sounded like the person who actually killed it and tagged it first got the deer. I'm glad the right person ended up with it! Thanks for sharing your story with us!
--JadgBob

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36. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Whether it was buck fever or lack of practice on the kids part, next year he'd better address whatever made him miss that buck. I missed a big buck when I was 18 in California in X-12. I had buck fever BAAAAAD! I look back on it and I have no recollection of where the cross hairs were when I JERKED that trigger. All I remember was looking through my scope after the shot and seeing 4 smaller bucks heading over the ridge. I thought maybe I'd got him but when I ran up the hill where he was standing when I shot.....NOTHING! No dead deer....no blood! I still look back on that hunt and I keep that with me always when I have an animal in my sights. The kid that missed that buck that Brian shot will probably remember that just as I remember my miss. He'll get over it.....sometime!!

Steve

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38. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Its refreshing to hear a story like this. Usually, there would be arguing and everyone claiming the buck.

It sounds like it was settled correctly. What a great buck!

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37. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

JadgBob
Ya, I knew the story would get a few people fired up. I knew that some might think it's wrong for me to have shot, others might have thought the deer should belong to the guy who ran down ahead of me and finished the wounded buck off at 20 yards (he didn't though).

It looks like a few posts have been deleted. I haven't seen any of them but one. Myself and the Sanford twins were the only ones who went down the mountain after the buck was dead. I actually brought up the thread JadgBob is talking about with the Sanfords. I asked them, "who do you think should get the buck?"
Darrell was actually the one who put the final bullet in the deer at 20 yards as it laid there. After we searched for blood from the deer prior to me knocking it down, David agreed that he must have hit the deer after I had knocked it down.
David, Darrell, and I all agreed that in our hunting ethics book, that the first mortal wound should get the buck.

I know David was bummed out about having hit the buck after I had. I'm sure the other guys who missed the buck were also bummed out. If I had missed, I would have been too.

So, everyone can have their opinion, that's mine. I think if a guy hits a buck and after looking at the blood and everything else taken into consideration, it appears the deer would have died soon, then that is who gets the buck.

Brian Latturner
MonsterMuleys.com

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39. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Way nice Brian!

Man, the little guy sure has grown up fast!

congrats

Robb

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40. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

very nice monster muley for sure and a neat story..the little one do grow fast!
however your not on trial for a crime so I won't ask about hearing the other side of the story..
lots of nice buck and bulls taken so far this year...
again darn nice muley!
rm

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42. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Brian,
Congrates, that buck is a toad and I'll bet your son was really jazzed.
OMB


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Sep-19-08, 
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43. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

LAST EDITED ON Sep-19-08 AT 07:49 AM (MST)

Trying again.

THE KID that everyone is refering to DID NOT HAVE A GUN AND DID NOT SHOOT AT THE DEER. There is a reason the deer stayed in the bottom of the ravine for what seemed like a while. The deer was already hit twice and not by FOUNDER yet.
Not puting anyone on trial here. This whole situation was handled wrong. All of the justifications in the world do not make it right. That is what his whole story is and his response later in the post.
FOUNDER is acting like this was his ridge and his personal deer and that no one else should have been there. Once again I guarantee if the roles were reversed ( which in this case I know would never happen because these guys and his kid dont roll like that) and FOUNDER was the one who hit the buck first (wounded it) and someone else would have finished off the buck with the most LETHAL shot, which according to everyone on here determines who gets the buck! Things would have gone down the same just in a different order. FOUNDER would have got the buck by the same lousy justification of a mathmatical equation. This time it would have been he hit it first and therefore the buck is his.
I know this will get nuked, probablly by the same guy who openly admitted to chasing off a bull so the bull couldn't be shot. But if you are not a registered member of the FOUNDER fan club I guess that is what happens.
My whole point is, this did not go down like it has been told.

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Tuffbucker
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45. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

>LAST EDITED ON Sep-19-08
>AT 07:49 AM (MST)

>
>Trying again.
>
>THE KID that everyone is refering
>to DID NOT HAVE A
>GUN AND DID NOT SHOOT
>AT THE DEER. There
>is a reason the deer
>stayed in the bottom of
>the ravine for what seemed
>like a while. The
>deer was already hit twice
>and not by FOUNDER yet.
>
>Not puting anyone on trial here.
> This whole situation was
>handled wrong. All of
>the justifications in the world
>do not make it right.
> That is what his
>whole story is and his
>response later in the post.
>
>FOUNDER is acting like this was
>his ridge and his personal
>deer and that no one
>else should have been there.
> Once again I guarantee
>if the roles were reversed
>( which in this case
>I know would never happen
>because these guys and his
>kid dont roll like that)
>and FOUNDER was the one
>who hit the buck first
>(wounded it) and someone else
>would have finished off the
>buck with the most LETHAL
>shot, which according to everyone
>on here determines who gets
>the buck! Things would
>have gone down the same
>just in a different order.
> FOUNDER would have got
>the buck by the same
>lousy justification of a mathmatical
>equation. This time it
>would have been he hit
>it first and therefore the
>buck is his.
>I know this will get nuked,
>probablly by the same guy
>who openly admitted to chasing
>off a bull so the
>bull couldn't be shot.
>But if you are not
>a registered member of the
>FOUNDER fan club I guess
>that is what happens.
>My whole point is, this did
>not go down like it
>has been told.

Then tell us how it really went down!?!?!

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extreme1
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Sep-19-08, 
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46. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

>LAST EDITED ON Sep-19-08
>AT 07:49 AM (MST)

>
>Trying again.
>
>THE KID that everyone is refering
>to DID NOT HAVE A
>GUN AND DID NOT SHOOT
>AT THE DEER. There
>is a reason the deer
>stayed in the bottom of
>the ravine for what seemed
>like a while. The
>deer was already hit twice
>and not by FOUNDER yet.
>
>Not puting anyone on trial here.
> This whole situation was
>handled wrong. All of
>the justifications in the world
>do not make it right.
> That is what his
>whole story is and his
>response later in the post.
>
>FOUNDER is acting like this was
>his ridge and his personal
>deer and that no one
>else should have been there.
> Once again I guarantee
>if the roles were reversed
>( which in this case
>I know would never happen
>because these guys and his
>kid dont roll like that)
>and FOUNDER was the one
>who hit the buck first
>(wounded it) and someone else
>would have finished off the
>buck with the most LETHAL
>shot, which according to everyone
>on here determines who gets
>the buck! Things would
>have gone down the same
>just in a different order.
> FOUNDER would have got
>the buck by the same
>lousy justification of a mathmatical
>equation. This time it
>would have been he hit
>it first and therefore the
>buck is his.
>I know this will get nuked,
>probablly by the same guy
>who openly admitted to chasing
>off a bull so the
>bull couldn't be shot.
>But if you are not
>a registered member of the
>FOUNDER fan club I guess
>that is what happens.
>My whole point is, this did
>not go down like it
>has been told.


Brian

I am responding directly to your email because I can see if anything derogatory towards you is posted on your site it is immediately black listed and taken off.

I am appalled at your blatant fabrication of what took place in WY. I am even more disgusted that you hunt for a living and own a website that promotes sportsmanship and the like. It is apparent to me you have manufactured a story in order to increase the marketability and traffic to your website. As far as censorship it looks as if you don’t allow it. All very poor business practices.

To clarify your fictitious story- I am 36 years old my son is 11 and the other guy shooting is 38 (not my dad) For everyone reading this I am the guy sitting 15 feet from Brian on the hill that he is referring to as “the son”

What is ironic is that I too had my eleven year old with me, and yes I want him to have great experiences hunting just like I did growing up as I am sure you are doing the same with your son. You unfortunately provided me with a perfect teaching moment of what not to do on the hill. While you were still shooting and I was walking away in disgust, I told my son he should absolutely never do what you did no matter how big the buck. That is sportsmanship rule #1. I have hunted a considerable amount and I still can’t believe you sat down fifteen feet from me and started shooting. You didn’t wait for us to do anything you sat down 15 feet from me and extend your bi-pod out in order to shoot. I shot once hitting the deer and my friend shot twice before you shot immediately after that. I for one only shot three times, not six as you tell in your story,(my gun jammed) and my friend shot four times.
I was so ticked off that someone would plop down that close on the hill I couldn’t have hit a 6000 pound elephant. I am glad my son was with me, I could feel myself really loosing my cool over your lack of judgment. Excuses! I am sure that is what you are thinking. I don’t even care about the deer; I go for the experience, being with family, friends, and the outdoors, so if you’re thinking I am jealous, don’t, I have higher standards than to let a deer dilute my character and my family name.
I wouldn’t have given this experience another thought until I read this story on your site (first and last time to get on your site). I am sure you never expected the guy that you stepped over to shoot would have ever read your story – lucky for me my little brother is a devote viewer of your site and recognized you the second day of the hunt as the hunter who broke all the rules to get his.
You are using this story as a tool to build your brand and in doing so are falsify information to your patrons. You are blatantly creating a narrative in order to position yourself as the consummate sportsman and I for one won’t stand for it. So now the question is how far do I take this? Your customers need to know the truth; unfortunately I am extremely busy and have no intention of taking this any further as long as you clarify your story to tell what really happened.
I look forward to reading your revised version.

Nate


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Sep-19-08, 
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52. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Nate,

First of all, I'm glad it wasn't a young kid who missed the buck 4 times.

I guess I apologize for not being exactly correct. It sounds like what you say I got wrong was your age and that you and the other guy shot 7 times before I did....???? Sorry!

I do not believe you hit that deer before I knocked him down. If you had, you should have walked down there with the Sanford twins and I. We spent 4 hours talking about it, walking up to where I knocked it down looking for blood, everything. Heck, both you and your buddy told me good shot after I leveled the buck. We found no evidence that the deer was shot before I shot it.

Anyway, like I said, that surely wasn't the way I wanted to take that buck. Way too many people for me, but when that buck got out to 400+ yards and was still healthy, I decided to kill it.

I'm sorry that you and your buddy couldn't have just killed it before I even peak over that ridge. But, I was hunting just like you guys. I let you have the first 6-7 shots.

Brian Latturner
MonsterMuleys.com

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54. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

When hunting public ground instances like this definitely happen and remembering exactly what happened is often cloudy and from different perspectives the views can easily be different.

I was on top of a hill in Wyoming once and put a decent 26" buck to bed from about a mile away. I got in on the buck above where he bedded and was waiting him out to shoot him before dark. During the wait I passed on 6 other bucks that came out to feed, including a heavy 24" 4X4. That evening a hunter came up out of the bottom, jumped up and shot and wounded the bigger buck, but didn't see it run away, it looked like a rear hind quarter hit as it ran away through the trees, not offering myself a clear shot. The hunter kept going and another buck popped up and he shot and hit it in the gut and it dissapeared into the woods. He kept moving up the hill where the two bucks he wounded went towards and another buck jumped up and he drilled it right in the neck. At that point I was totally steamed, not for this guy ruining my hunt, but for shooting 3 bucks in less than 5 minutes. I confronted him on my way down the mountain and he seriously thought he was shooting at the same buck each time, he might still think the same today. I went after the bigger wounded buck, no blood trail, and jumped him up but couldn't get a shot just before dark. This was my last day to hunt, so I couldn't go back in after them.

The reason I am hashing this out is there are two sides to every story and in this case maybe there are 7 sides and the two in question could both be what each other thought happened.

Brian could have thought the kid was shooting as he was right there with his father, they shot a few times, once hitting the deer in the gut. Brian sees the deer pop up on the hillside and no one is shooting at him or has located the deer and he drops the buck. The group on top of the hill leaves as has been stated and all the other shooters from the bottom gather at the to see who hit the buck first. In this instance the person who may have hit the buck first did not go to the deer because he was disgusted with so many people shooting at it. It is possible that both stories are what each person thought happened. Of course both stories might not be totally true either.

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Sep-19-08, 
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98. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

THIS IS CRAZY People are taking sides on what should have
happened and all the faults that were made and of course I have my opinion about the truth! Extreme1 claims everything was Brian's fault, he claims the deer was hit twice before Brian ever fired but he never boldly claims that he personally knocked the buck down nor his buddy! He can't or doesn't explain why there's NO blood trail after 2 hits but he claims he knows Brian shot it in the GUTS knocking him down at over 400 yds ( deer don't go down on a mere gut shot) He talks about poor sportsmanship, then comes on here whining about what happened! He can say what ever he wants but his son was right there and watched him and his pal miss seven times and he in fact knows who knocked the deer down! (he congradulated Brian himself) I think that his hunting party knew the buck was there, the 2 hunters went up to get him, they got the shots they wanted but missed and were too embarassed to tell the rest of the party they just flat missed, so they said they hit the deer but somebody else stole it from them!
What difference does it make if the other hunter was 15 feet or a mile and a half from them, they had a great chance and missed it! There's absolutely NO DOUBT that neither Extreme1 or his partner would have never got the buck, he was still going, 1 gun was jammed the other apparently empty and NO blood trail, why is there an argrument?
And for all you guys to say "oh, I wouldn't have shot" that's crap to, it wasn't like Brian went up there and sat next to these guys and glassed for half an hour, he wasn't there 10 seconds before things began to happen! Remember, when everybody went up that hill it was still dark, Brian didn't know they or the other hunters were there and they didn't know he was there until that moment!
Let's remember 1 other thing as well, Extreme1 and his buddy were both shooting, if they are SO curtious how come the second shooter didn't just leave the buck to the first shooter? If the buck would have died before Brian shot it those 2 guys would be having this argument with each other! How come neither of those guys claim to be the 1 who hit the buck? Not just once but twice! Brian knows this was a bad experience and I'm sure he wishes he wasn't involved but he doesn't owe anybody an apology!
By the way Extreme1 it's disgusting to have someone come on a forum thread solely to try to damage a guys reputation after not even talking to the fellow at the time of the incident, Not suggesting that you made a hit or anything else! Tell us, did you hit the buck or did your buddy?

BUD

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Sep-19-08, 
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110. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"


>And for all you guys
>to say "oh, I wouldn't
>have shot" that's crap to,
>it wasn't like Brian went
>up there and sat next
>to these guys and glassed
>for half an hour, he
>wasn't there 10 seconds before
>things began to happen! Remember,
>when everybody went up that
>hill it was still dark,
>Brian didn't know they or
>the other hunters were there
>and they didn't know he
>was there until that moment!
>
> BUD

According to the story it was 10 minutes after light and the first group of guys was seen going up to the knob. Why is the story ever evolving?

Who knows, this whole thing sucks


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07:11 AM (MST)
41. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Good buck, I would want the velvet left on too, just like it was when you got him.

I can't believe there were that many hunters that far back!

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44. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Great buck and story. I gotta tell you though, if I have to work double overtime to put some chips away in order to pay a trespass fee, I'll do it everytime. That damn deer was shot at by 5 different people in a few seconds. We call that dove huntin down here! Public land hunting is something else. Whoever puts a bullet (draws blood) in him first is the owner in my opinion. Also, not too many take a direct kick to head by a horse and live to talk about it, at least in a legible way.

T264

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47. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Wow what a great story. Sounds like your hunt was a real kick in the pants, oops I mean head.

Good to see that your boy could catch a glimps of what the family hunting use to be like here in Utah. I remember way to many hunts like that and some of them would break out into fights over hows buck it really was. Glad to see that you guys could solve it so peacefully.


Jeff

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48. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Wow...I don't know if some of the most recent posts will survive or not, so we all might not get to read them.

Kind of a shame, a nice buck but doesn't sound like it was all that fun up on the hill!

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49. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Sounds like a goat rope I would have gladly walked away from.

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50. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

>Sounds like a goat rope I
>would have gladly walked away
>from.

X2


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53. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

LAST EDITED ON Sep-19-08 AT 09:54 AM (MST)

Doesn't sound like my dream hunt.
It might have been a better lesson for your son to let that deer walk.
That is something I will never do, let alone in front of my son.
just a thought

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51. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

"Sounds like a goat rope I would have gladly walked away from."
x3

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55. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

I goat rodeo for sure. I must say i might just be on the guys side that shot first. I dont think i would ever sit down 15 feet from another guy and just start shooting at the same buck unless he gave me the go ahead. I know it is not against the law but some space might be nice. It would be up to the hunter to make a choice like that but in my view the wrong choice was made. I kinda thought that when i read founders story without even hearing the other side. Its over now but that hunting on public ground for U.

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sarg7mm
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57. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Geez Uncle Eddie fall in the well eyes go crossed, get kicked by a mule cant remember how you ended up with the deer.. Having been there, knowing the deer was there as well(didn't think he was 30), I voluntarily rode away to opposite side of the face to spot for others in hunting party. First shot connected,(by our party) then a couple of shots drew nothing but cool air and mountain scenery(including shot from Brian), the reason Brian saying he didn't peek over the ridge for the first couple is because he knows the deer was hit, and yes he was sitting down bipod out ready to shoot before anyone shot. Also the reason it took the deer a while to get out of the ravine is because it was hit. Theres no doubt in my mind that Brian hit the deer he shot it in the guts and knocked it down. yes the two gentlemen in the bottom did finish the deer off.. No doubt in my mind the shooting in all parties could have been better. The hunting etticet shown that morning was the shi*$. The way the story was told is worse. We hunt for the experience, and hope that we can find some big ole buck to amplify that experience. Congratulations on the buck Brian you didn't hit it first you didn't hit it last, you did however put your tag on it, and I guess that's all that matters.. HOWS THAT FOR MY FIRST POST BOYS, READ IT AND WEAP

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58. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

LAST EDITED ON Sep-19-08 AT 09:59 AM (MST)

sarg7mm - That is a lie. I DID NOT sit down until after two shots were made. I stood make and actually told my son, "watch, these guys are going to shoot". You are lying. I also shot only 3 rounds total. My first went up the deer rear end and knocked him down. My second shot was while the deer laid down the hill 80 yards 2 minutes later and my third shot was when it jumped and ran that final 30 yards.

If you guys really thought you hit the deer before I leveled it, you should have meet the Sanfords and I at the deer. To now come on here 5 days later with your story is crazy. Where were you guys then??? I was told great shot by two guys and then they left? Now you're saying they got the deer??
I would have had no problem giving that deer up if someone really had hit it before I did. David (another guy who was there) thought he might have hit it before I did, but after walking up to where I knocked it down, he decided he must have hit it after I did. You guys should have been down there if you really thought you got the deer, not trying to claim it now.

Maybe I shouldn't have shot at all, but just like everyone else on that hill, I was there for that buck too. The earlier post here says that the one guy shot 3 times and his gun jammed and the other guy shot 4 times and ran out of bullets. THEY COULD SHOOT AGAIN! That's obviously one reason it was silent when that buck came out of the ravine.

I don't know what else to say. Maybe I should have just watched the deer run away, but I didn't, I leveled him. If someone felt they had already wounded the buck, they should have meet me and the Sanfords at the deer!!! ????????????
WHY WOULD YOU JUST LEAVE IF YOU HONESTLY THOUGH YOU HIT THE BUCK??? Why, why, why????
You show me you hit the buck first and it yours! I don't care that much. I have many big deer already. I surely wouldn't want a deer I didn't really get!!!

Brian Latturner
MonsterMuleys.com

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completesportsman
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56. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Dang, how many times had this buck been hit??

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kilowatt
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59. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Probably got 50# of Hamburger meat left.

Brian

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61. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

>Probably got 50# of Hamburger meat
>left.
>
>Brian

C'mon, Brian, you know it ain't about the meat. It's about shooting them in the @$$ and getting them on the ground so pictures can be taken of the horns an posted on the "net". That's what hunting is all about!.....


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Sep-19-08, 
09:58 AM (MST)
60. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

This whole thing sounds like a cluster #%$@ right from the beginning and not something I'd want any part of. Looks to me like a prime of example of what happens to people when they get so wrapped up in the need to produce that common sense goes right out the window. Honestly, Founder, tell us how you'd feel if the roles were reversed and that was you and your boy that were on the ridge first? I know if it were me, I'd be %#@$$%^ pissed if someone came along and did what you did! Hope your kid learns there's more to hunting than harvesting a "trophy" at any cost!....

I doubt this thread will make it through the afternoon, so nuke away!....

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Sep-19-08, 
10:19 AM (MST)
62. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

I would be so pizzed if someone came up to the area I was hunting and started firing away...especially miles from any roads. The guys where in the area first. Back out and go somewhere else. Come back another day or go find another deer.

Not sure any positive lessons were learned by all this...

To each his own...and rather surprised by this Founder....

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Sep-19-08, 
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63. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Foreman4x4 my sediments exactly. Brian, it doesn't matter how many shots were fired, you were late getting to the deer. In my opinion, your edicate was terrible. You should have left or not shot at all. Only one guy said "nice shot". He was saying it to his buddy, whom he thought, shot that shot, not knowing it was you because you were so close. The reason our party walked away, was to avoid confrontation in front of the young boys. We don't want any confrontation now, but it but the burr under our saddles that you would fabricate the story, making it sound like you are a trophy mule deer hunter. Brain, it is a nice buck, most people would give their left arm for a deer like that. We do not want to claim the deer, because the experience is not one to remember when we see those horns.

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Sep-19-08, 
10:38 AM (MST)
67. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

sarg7mm - What do you mean you don't want to claim the deer, that's exactly what you already did!
Confrontation???? Why, without even talking with me on the mountain, did you think there would be a confrontation? Heck, when I leveled that buck I didn't know if it were wounded or not. It didn't appear hurt, but I didn't know for sure. You probably could have turned to me and thanked me for finishing it off and I would have never even walked down there.

I went down there and meet David and he and I investigated to make sure it wasn't bleeding prior to me knocking it down. Where were you????

Maybe I should have let the buck go, and that judgement is left up to each of us individually. I didn't. After you guys missed what I thought was 6 times (you say 7), I hammer the deer. You should have killed it with one of the first 7 shots and we wouldn't be having this discussion and I would be on the mountain looking for another big buck.

I've killed many big deer and I can promise you I don't need to steal them from other people. You guys jammed and emptied your guns and couldn't bring the deer down, I did. Now you're on my site blaming me because you didn't get to reload and arc more lead at the buck.

Brian Latturner
MonsterMuleys.com

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Sep-19-08, 
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64. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

No doubt it was a cluster #%$@!!!
If the roles were reversed and me and my buddy missed a deer 7 times and someone else would have shot it, I would be bummed out that we missed 7 times. I don't think I would blame someone else for killing it.
How many times should they get to shoot? They admitted one gun jammed, the other guy shot 4 rounds (gun was probably empty??)
All that before I knocked the deer down on my first shot.

If I were in their shoes and really thought I had hit it first, I would have walked down the mountain to the deer, just as I did. Where were they????

I can assure you, I don't feel any pressure to kill big deer. MonsterMuleys.com would be about the same whether I hunt deer or not. I don't make this site what it is, everyone else does. There's no pressure here to kill big deer. I like hunting big ones because it's a challenge. I don't do it to make money.

If these guys really thought they hit that deer, they wouldhave been down there.
Maybe I should have just stood back and watched the deer run away, but I didn't. I was there to hunt too and shot.

Brian Latturner
MonsterMuleys.com

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gdog
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Sep-19-08, 
10:33 AM (MST)
65. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Doesn't sound like a "hunt"..more like a shooting contest.

Again..to each his own.

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LIK2HNT
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Sep-19-08, 
10:50 AM (MST)
68. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

I guess this is what hunting has come to. Who shot first and who hit the buck first or killed it is irrelevant ( there will always be two sides to the story and I was not there). What bugs me is that someone would sit down next to someone else and start shooting. Even if the other people were just tree huggers enjoying the view no body has the right to just sit down and start firing away. If someone did that to me I don't think I could be as nice as those other peolpe were and walk away. Either the shooter would be wishing a horse had kicked him or I would. That is not right. And anyone who thinks it is should consider another sport. If it was not about killing another big buck than why not help them? You could have set up your rifle and had the kid shoot, or you could have help spot for them.
The way this turned out is not good and I hope nobody evey does this to me. I though this web site was about hunters helping other hunters.

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HighWidenHandsome
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Sep-19-08, 
10:34 AM (MST)
66. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

These argument posts are ridiculous! It's obvious you guys claiming the deer now are just angry at yourselves for missing a giant buck! Anyone would be! But agreeing that there were many shots fired by yourselves and not being able to supply proof (blood) that you hit the deer is crazy! Why, if you thought you made a hit you didn't just say so at the time and ask founder how he felt? Sounds like you guys knew you missed and just left! Founder and the other fellows walked up the hill above where he said he'd knocked him down looking for any previous blood trail and none was found! How can you argue that you hit the deer? If the buck was 400 yds out and you hadn't been able to put him on the ground by then do you think you were going to hit him on the next shot? COME ON.... And another thing, you guys are blaming founder for shooting at the buck but you're not saying a thing about the 2 brothers that were shootin as well and they weren't far from the first shooters either! And they both DID hit the deer and agreed it was the founders buck! I KNOW I'D LIKE TO HAVE THE FIRST SEVEN SHOTS AT A BIG BUCK AND IF I COULDN'T DROP HIM I'D CONGRADULATE THE GUY THAT DID! YOU GUYS ARE ACTING LIKE LITTLE KIDS!

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UTMuleyhunter
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Sep-19-08, 
10:53 AM (MST)
69. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

It would be interesting to see the responses to this post if the hunter in question wasn’t Founder. For me, I never would have dared sit down next to someone and started shooting. That said, you never know how exactly you will react in a situation during the “heat” of the moment. Or, in this case “buck fever” moment. I would be upset if someone sat down 15ft from me and started shooting at a buck, regardless if I had already shot or not. Seriously, how many of you if you were sitting on a great spot first thing opening morning would welcome a total stranger to come sit down 15ft from you? I think Founder should have move down the hill to a spot further away, then taken the opportunity to shoot or not. That is my take on the situation. Frankly, I’m surprised that there wasn’t any confrontations at the end that could have been very dangerous.

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huntsonora
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Sep-19-08, 
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71. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

LAST EDITED ON Sep-19-08 AT 10:58 AM (MST)

> These argument
>posts are ridiculous! It's obvious
>you guys claiming the deer
>now are just angry at
>yourselves for missing a giant
>buck! Anyone would be! But
>agreeing that there were many
>shots fired by yourselves and
>not being able to supply
>proof (blood) that you hit
>the deer is crazy! Why,
>if you thought you made
>a hit you didn't just
>say so at the time
>and ask founder how he
>felt? Sounds like you guys
>knew you missed and just
>left! Founder and the other
>fellows walked up the hill
>above where he said he'd
>knocked him down looking for
>any previous blood trail and
>none was found! How can
>you argue that you hit
>the deer? If the buck
>was 400 yds out and
>you hadn't been able to
>put him on the ground
>by then do you think
>you were going to hit
>him on the next shot?
>COME ON.... And another thing,
>you guys are blaming founder
>for shooting at the buck
>but you're not saying a
>thing about the 2 brothers
>that were shootin as well
>and they weren't far from
>the first shooters either! And
>they both DID hit the
>deer and agreed it was
>the founders buck! I KNOW
>I'D LIKE TO HAVE THE
>FIRST SEVEN SHOTS AT A
>BIG BUCK AND IF I
>COULDN'T DROP HIM I'D CONGRADULATE
>THE GUY THAT DID!
>YOU GUYS ARE ACTING LIKE
>LITTLE KIDS!

What a shame that "hunting" is coming to this! When I hunt public ground if I see somebody has made it to the spot I intended to hunt before I did I'll find some place else to go. Furthermore, if people are shooting at a deer then there needs to be some sort of "grace period" to allow them to finish what they have started, you dont sit down next to them and start torching rounds.

Brian, I like you, we've spent quite a bit of time talking and I have enjoyed every bit of it but in this instance I wholeheartedly disagree with the way this went down. You sat down 15 feet from these guys? Thats 5 yards, my tv is further away from the couch than that. Put yourself in their shoes, it would not be cool to have a dude come sit in your lap and start shooting.

What a way to kick off a couple hunting careers, if I were a kid I'm not sure I would want to go throught that cluster #@$% again.

Drum


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Sep-19-08, 
01:26 PM (MST)
91. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

>What a shame that "hunting" is
>coming to this! When
> bI hunt public ground if
>I see somebody has made
>it to the spot I
>intended to huntefore I
>did I'll find some place
>else to go. Furthermore,
>if people are shooting at
>a deer then there needs
>to be some sort of
>"grace period" to allow them
>to finish what they have
>started, you dont sit down
>next to them and start
>torching rounds.
>
>Brian, I like you, we've spent
>quite a bit of time
>talking and I have enjoyed
>every bit of it but
>in this instance I wholeheartedly
>disagree with the way this
>went down. You sat
>down 15 feet from these
>guys? Thats 5 yards,
>my tv is further away
>from the couch than that.
> Put yourself in their
>shoes, it would not be
>cool to have a dude
>come sit in your lap
>and start shooting.
>
>What a way to kick off
>a couple hunting careers, if
>I were a kid I'm
>not sure I would want
>to go throught that cluster
>#@$% again.
>
>Drum

Drum,

I don't know you. I have seen your posts and read your stories over the past few years. Your perspective may be tick sheltered due to the fact that your guiding private ranches in mexico. Yes, I know you have hunted Colorado as a resident for the past couple years, however, some areas of this world have ALOT of hunting pressure. Its not "what hunting has come to", its the way its always been in many states especially Utah.

Having grown up in Utah, (yes, I say that lucratively) I know that im going to see a million people during the deer hunt. That is just the way it is. I have also hunted alot of states surounding Utah and there is a noticable difference with "pressure". Wyoming has changed. If you haven't hunted there, you have no idea what I am talking about. I think you can ask BuckSpy and he knows exactly what I am saying. It used to be that when you packed in 6 miles, you got away from people. Now days, your packing into people.

That being said, I really get irritaded with the upity, snide, short comments that are made by you, and others in the threads on this board. EVERYTHING changes when its you in that situation. I'm sure you've never made a choice during the hunting season when you looked back on it and said "that sucked, if I could go back, I would do things differently". Maybe even on a new mexico hunt your were on? Hunting hasn't changed. The pressure of people have. I think it says alot of Brians character to write this story they way he did the first time.

The comment, "What a shame that "hunting" is coming to this!" and "When I hunt public ground if>I see somebody has made it to the spot I intended to hunt before I did I'll find some place
else to go." are what I am refering to when I type this. The guy spent a ton of time during the summer and found that buck. Why would he hunt somewhere else? Its not like Brian saw them on top of the mountain and said "I'm sitting right next to them" and started hiking. He got there, saw them as they were shooting, saw the big buck was missed, and after 7 shots, killed the buck. GD man, are you kidding me?

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Sep-21-08, 
01:34 AM (MST)
158. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

>LAST EDITED ON Sep-19-08
>AT 10:58 AM (MST)

>
>> These argument
>>posts are ridiculous! It's obvious
>>you guys claiming the deer
>>now are just angry at
>>yourselves for missing a giant
>>buck! Anyone would be! But
>>agreeing that there were many
>>shots fired by yourselves and
>>not being able to supply
>>proof (blood) that you hit
>>the deer is crazy! Why,
>>if you thought you made
>>a hit you didn't just
>>say so at the time
>>and ask founder how he
>>felt? Sounds like you guys
>>knew you missed and just
>>left! Founder and the other
>>fellows walked up the hill
>>above where he said he'd
>>knocked him down looking for
>>any previous blood trail and
>>none was found! How can
>>you argue that you hit
>>the deer? If the buck
>>was 400 yds out and
>>you hadn't been able to
>>put him on the ground
>>by then do you think
>>you were going to hit
>>him on the next shot?
>>COME ON.... And another thing,
>>you guys are blaming founder
>>for shooting at the buck
>>but you're not saying a
>>thing about the 2 brothers
>>that were shootin as well
>>and they weren't far from
>>the first shooters either! And
>>they both DID hit the
>>deer and agreed it was
>>the founders buck! I KNOW
>>I'D LIKE TO HAVE THE
>>FIRST SEVEN SHOTS AT A
>>BIG BUCK AND IF I
>>COULDN'T DROP HIM I'D CONGRADULATE
>>THE GUY THAT DID!
>>YOU GUYS ARE ACTING LIKE
>>LITTLE KIDS!
>
>What a shame that "hunting" is
>coming to this! When
>I hunt public ground if
>I see somebody has made
>it to the spot I
>intended to hunt before I
>did I'll find some place
>else to go. Furthermore,
>if people are shooting at
>a deer then there needs
>to be some sort of
>"grace period" to allow them
>to finish what they have
>started, you dont sit down
>next to them and start
>torching rounds.
>
>Brian, I like you, we've spent
>quite a bit of time
>talking and I have enjoyed
>every bit of it but
>in this instance I wholeheartedly
>disagree with the way this
>went down. You sat
>down 15 feet from these
>guys? Thats 5 yards,
>my tv is further away
>from the couch than that.
> Put yourself in their
>shoes, it would not be
>cool to have a dude
>come sit in your lap
>and start shooting.
>
>What a way to kick off
>a couple hunting careers, if
>I were a kid I'm
>not sure I would want
>to go throught that cluster
>#@$% again.
>
>Drum
>
>
>


Amen. Brian, you crossed the line when you shot near the other hunters. What a jerk you are. You have no justification. Come to Arizona and pull that, I hope that it is me that you encounter.;)

Sincerely,

Mark

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Sep-19-08, 
10:53 AM (MST)
70. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

reminds me of this time hunting coues south of Tucson, I must have shot that deer 8 times before I finally killed it. Talk about a bad ass coues that didnt want to give up. As you can imagine I only had a couple pounds of meat left(actually more then a couple but it seemed like a couple). Anyways, that was a fun hunt!

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NVBighorn
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Sep-19-08, 
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72. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Maybe we need D13er to post a nude picture.

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73. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

LAST EDITED ON Sep-19-08 AT 11:15 AM (MST)

>reminds me of this time hunting
>coues south of Tucson, I
>must have shot that deer
>8 times before I finally
>killed it. Talk about
>a bad ass coues that
>didnt want to give up.
> As you can imagine
>I only had a couple
>pounds of meat left(actually more
>then a couple but it
>seemed like a couple).
>Anyways, that was a fun
>hunt!

Do you ever get more than a few pounds from those dinky little dog deer???

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huntmancam
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Sep-19-08, 
11:28 AM (MST)
74. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

haha, ya your right tuffbucker, I think his meat lasted one night of grilling, still good, except for the 8 bullets...

Did someone say nude pictures?

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Sep-19-08, 
11:53 AM (MST)
77. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Regardless of who hit the buck when, if you shoot a buck 15 ft from, what at the time you thought was a kid who beat you to the spot, you have some serious issues.

And yes it was all about the horns for you. Don't give me that "I have several large deer" crap. I guy with that mentality tells the kid "hey take 5 steps this way and take a shot from here."

If you would have done that to me or my kid there would be a problem.

This mentality, hopefully, hasn't already infected your son.

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Sep-19-08, 
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78. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

IMHO, I am with Brian on this. If the first hunters would have done the job, Brian would have never had a chance to shoot. If the first hunters had actually hit the deer they should have gone down to first blood and Brian would have bowed out. I have seen this kind of double or tripple shooters before. And just like this time someone walks away with the animal. ALL SHOOTERS should have got togeather and discussed what happened and who is going to get the deer like grown men. If anyone chooses not to go to the table to talk either did not think they did the job or was convinced someone else got the job done. This is really sad that this happened, But it is getting more common with all of the people hunting. We need to be perpared for this kind of thing. It was a cluster, but all of them I have been involved in have been the same way. S**T happens. If the first guys had hit the deer they should have gone down there, Brian saw a seemingly healthy deer other shooters not fireing deer fixing to get away. BOOM end of story. Then third shooters get involved, And once animal is down the final two parties get togeather and back tracked the animal to see what happnend. Brian is found with the inital killing shot. End of story! NOW is when the first shooters should have plead there case to what happened. As they did not they had convinced them selves that they did not get the job done IMHO.

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COjack
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Sep-19-08, 
12:20 PM (MST)
80. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Regardless of who did or didn't do their job. I would never hunt with someone who would behave that way in that situation.

I would never want to see a buck on my wall and remember that scenario.

I would rather let that buck walk away than to shoot it 15 ft..15 FT!!!...from the kid who just missed it, and beat you to the spot.

That is as low as it comes in my book.

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elkslayer54
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Sep-19-08, 
12:26 PM (MST)
83. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

The next time Founder calls you for a meag muley hunt, Please feel free to turn it down. (grin)

And I will also bet you have not killed or let that many bucks walk either, Looks good on paper but here in the real world. Save it for someone whom believes that crap.

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Sep-19-08, 
12:43 PM (MST)
89. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

What? Here in the real world we shoot deer 15 Ft from what he thought was a kid and his dad and it's ok???

Thank God I don't live in the "real world".

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Deerlove
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Sep-19-08, 
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76. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

+ 1 NVbighorn

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live2huntmuleys
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Sep-19-08, 
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75. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Wow!

Being from Montana and hunting there as well as Wyoming, I think there is some common curtosy that goes a long way. I have problems hunting the same drainage as another hunter let alone plopping down next him and letting the lead fly! From some of the stories I have heard on here about how hunting in other states is maybe that is how it goes. In my opinion if you see someone in an area you want to hunt you move on, they beat you there fair and square. I would be embarrassed to take a buck that way and then plaster it all over the net.

I had a similar situation happen to me one year, I had been watching a big bull and was in position at first light and had a marginal shot opportunity as he fed in sparse timber. I hurried up the hill to get a better angle when a shot rang out. There was another guy that had come in a different way as the mortally wounded bull ran my way I put a bullet in him and ended it. As the hunter approached I congratualted him and helped him field dress and pack the bull off of the mountain.
That common curtosy can go a long way.

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BUCKSPY
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Sep-19-08, 
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79. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

I'm glad to see that some people aren't afraid to voice their opinion, even if its not a popular one among the faithful followers here at MM. Whats even more encouraging is Brian has the balls to stand up and take his lumps in the court of public opinion without deleteing the entire thread. He could obviously do it and hasn't, atleast to this point. It would really turn alot of people off if Brian was OK to post the pics and take the pats on the back but when things became uncomfortable, run and hide.

I could never imagine plopping down yards from someone and start shooting without at the VERY LEAST, asking if it was OK. But I could see how some could be tempted. Unfortunately there is no "do-over" on this one.

Reading all accounts of what happened, who in the hell knows exactly how it all transpired in the heat of the moment. I just know it was a big mistake in my opinion to sit down by someone who is already firing at a buck they spotted and to start shooting.

Thanks for the opportunity to offer my two cents. If nothing else it carthartic for me.


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Sep-19-08, 
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82. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

I will say I have hunted the country more than most, but stopped when I found guys in every basin. I backed out everytime, unhappy I was beat to the spot. I see it as unacceptable to sit down in that situation. I also think the first shooters cannot complain now, they had their chance on the mountain. I trust if they had given it a try they would have prevailed. Stuff Happens

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Sep-19-08, 
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86. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

I'm in agreement with buckspy on this one and think the post should stand. It is tough to judge if you are not there or know all the facts... The question is one of ethics and when lots of time is spent preseason scouting a certain deer, it might start to change your mindset when he jumps up and multiple persons are shooting at the buck at first light...

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Sep-19-08, 
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87. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Ya, I don't mind if people disagree with what I did. I knew that it would be a hot issue. I never really thought about it before it happened.

Maybe I should have just watched as the deer ran off as these guys were reloading and trying to get a jam cleared????? But I didn't. The grace period was 10 seconds. They weren't shooting....So I shot it.
From the second the shooting began to now, I wished they would have just killed the deer with the first shot. But they didn't. Like I said, I thought it was a young kid and his dad who missed 6 times. I do feel better now knowing it was two adults. I also feel VERY, VERY, VERY confident that the buck would have survived if I hadn't shot it, so I do not feel that I stole it from anyone. Those guys were done when I shot that deer.

The buck certainly doesn't go down as one of my finest trophies. Nor, is the hunt one that ranks up there as one of the funnest. With 5 camps within 1200 yards of that deer and more than 15 guys watching the knob it lived on, it was a joke regardless who killed the deer. Of course, I didn't know there were that many people in there until after all the excitment occured.

I'll take it like a man. If you think I was a prick, so be it. It's done and I'll live with it.

I should have went hunting for this deer, there were probably only 10 guys trying to get this one!

Brian Latturner
MonsterMuleys.com

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Sep-21-08, 
01:37 AM (MST)
159. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

>Ya, I don't mind if people
>disagree with what I did.
>I knew that it would
>be a hot issue. I
>never really thought about it
>before it happened.
>
>Maybe I should have just watched
>as the deer ran off
>as these guys were reloading
>and trying to get a
>jam cleared????? But I didn't.
>The grace period was 10
>seconds. They weren't shooting....So I
>shot it.
>From the second the shooting began
>to now, I wished they
>would have just killed the
>deer with the first shot.
>But they didn't. Like I
>said, I thought it was
>a young kid and his
>dad who missed 6 times.
>I do feel better now
>knowing it was two adults.
>I also feel VERY, VERY,
>VERY confident that the buck
>would have survived if I
>hadn't shot it, so I
>do not feel that I
>stole it from anyone. Those
>guys were done when I
>shot that deer.
>
>The buck certainly doesn't go down
>as one of my finest
>trophies. Nor, is the hunt
>one that ranks up there
>as one of the funnest.
>With 5 camps within 1200
>yards of that deer and
>more than 15 guys watching
>the knob it lived on,
>it was a joke regardless
>who killed the deer. Of
>course, I didn't know there
>were that many people in
>there until after all the
>excitment occured.
>
>I'll take it like a man.
>If you think I was
>a prick, so be it.
>It's done and I'll live
>with it.
>
>I should have went hunting for
>this deer, there were probably
>only 10 guys trying to
>get this one!
>
>
>Brian Latturner
>MonsterMuleys.com


You are still a jerk!

Sincerely, Mark

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muleyhunterfromhell
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Sep-19-08, 
12:23 PM (MST)
81. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

That's just the way those Utards hunt, they don't care who or what is in the way. they are shooting regardless of the situation. If it's got a big rack on it's head or just a rack at all those Utards will be shooting. I can't believe someone would walk up next to someone who is shooting at a deer and start shooting at it. HUNTERS FROM UTAH HAVE NO ETHICS!!!

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Sep-19-08, 
12:29 PM (MST)
84. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

founder do us a favor and lock this thread!!
hope it does not leave a sour taste in any ones mouth!!
rm

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Sep-19-08, 
12:32 PM (MST)
85. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

> HUNTERS FROM UTAH
>HAVE NO ETHICS!!!

You're an idiot.


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Sep-19-08, 
01:40 PM (MST)
92. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Hunters from hell have no soul.

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Sep-19-08, 
12:34 PM (MST)
88. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Good or bad, if Founder hadn't of shot, the deer would have been lost. Even if the first set of hunters gut shot it, they didn't see the deer come out of the drainage. If they couldn't finish it with 7 shots at close range, what makes anyone think they could at 400+ yards. Rather the deer got killed by another hunter than have it wander off gut shot and die the slow death. If they believed they did hit the deer, why didn't they say so? Coming here after the fact and crying over spilled milk is B.S.!


And my opinion has nothing to do with being a Founder's fan club member. I don't know, nor have I every talked with the man.

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Sep-19-08, 
01:03 PM (MST)
90. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

If you can put a deer down with 7 (or 6) shots you need to go home a practice your shooting. A major rule of hunting ethics is being able to kill quickly and cleanly.
If I am lucky enough to get a deer like that in my scope and I don't close the deal then I have only myself to blame.

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Sep-19-08, 
01:55 PM (MST)
93. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

LAST EDITED ON Sep-19-08 AT 03:40 PM (MST)

Oops - see below post #97.


UTROY
Proverbs 21:19 (why I hunt!)

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Sep-19-08, 
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94. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

No doubt this is a controversial subject. I thought I would weigh in my thoughts. While it is true the 1st group of hunters should have killed that buck, I think that I would have walked away. I have been beaten to "my" spot before and that is what I do. I always pre plan a few areas to be in case I run across other hunters. For me personally, I would hate to mess up a hunt for someone else. I would hope others would allow me to continue my hunt if I am their "1st" as well. I realize as a bowhunter that it is a lot less crowded than the rifle hunt, but no animal is worth a cluster like this appears to have created. Each of us have our own set of "ethics" of what is right and wrong. That is okay. For me, I will not hunt the same animal as someone else at the same time. Back out and try again later.

In Bow Ed we teach that the hunter who draws 1st lethal blood is the hunter who tags the animal. Sounds like Brian was the hunter who drew 1st lethal blood. Tough end to what could of been a great experience. More than anything, it allows us to think about what we each would do if confronted with this scenario.

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Sep-19-08, 
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95. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

WHERE THE POPCORN?
We need Kurt D opinion............
rm

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Sep-19-08, 
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96. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

I just gotta say this once:

I was gonna post on this thread first yesterday. I was all in position and everything. Then, too my surprise, BANG, Browtine beat me too it.

I didn't say anything yesterday because I decided I would be the bigger man and let it go, so I did. But dang it, I just know Browtine is thinking he was first, but really it was me. So, I am coming on here now, to have my final say once and for all (at least until I decide to edit this post) that I was first in posting on this thread.

Seriously, if you got a problem with ethics talk about it on the mountain. As far as two people shooting at the same buck, where do you draw the line? If Brian (who I don't know) just walks away and one of the other dudes at the bottom mortally wounds that deer what is the difference? Do they have to wait also? What if it runs right over the ridge and someone who has no idea kills it - should they have waited? I don't have the answers, but most of you don't either. IMHO!

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Sep-19-08, 
03:39 PM (MST)
97. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

I have actually been on both sides of this situation. And to tell you the truth it is not too fun either way, though it is more fun on Founder's side.

Situation #1 - Opening morning in a 3pt or better area - we are sitting in plain sight, near our vehicles waiting for it to get light and are watching several deer - one is a nice 4 pt. I watch the clock and know that the official sunrise happened 2 minutes ago - it is now legal light. I am 16 and it is my first year to hunt and want to put the hammer down, but my dad says to wait, he wants to make sure the deer is a 4 pt. and he also wants it to be a little lighter. There are also what appears to be two smaller 3 points with them but dad wanted to make sure they were legal too and wanted to wait for more light to verify. I tell him I can take this 4 pt. I am not nervous, my crosshairs are right on his vitals and I know my gun is right on at this distance. He says no however so I listen to my dad and wait. All of a sudden a big white jacked-up Chevy drives down the road in front of us, between us and the deer, they wave to us and we think they are going to just keep on driving by. But, then they slam on the brakes and start blasting away. They missed the 4 point, scared him away and ended up getting one of the 3 points. The deer go over the ridge and we hear more shots from folks over there, and we assume they got the 4 pt. We were pretty disgusted so we just drove to another area and continued hunting. Yes I was upset, but I learned some important lessons.

#1 - I don't own the mountain. They had every much right as I did to be there I did. What could I have done to stop them? I thought ethics would but I was wrong and to tell you the truth, it was wrong of me to expect them to keep on driving. They didn't know what we knew and we couldn't really hold that against them.

#2 - If you snooze on public land open season OTC rifle hunts you lose! Yeah it is a heck of a thing for a first time hunter to learn but it came in handy a few years later on a much bigger buck when I didn't hesitate. I could have taken that buck at least 5 times before they got there but I waited and they capitalized on my hesitation. I had to settle for a much smaller deer (that besides from the final "put it out of its misery blow" I only hit in the foot but that is a different story in and of itself - save it for another day) that year becuase I waited. Shame on me for waiting I guess. After many years of retrospect, yes, waiting was the right thing to do. But I certainly could have went ahead and dropped the hammer. In fact, I did squeeze the trigger once only to be stopped by the well working safety! Yep - I guess my gun "jammed" (i.e. operator error in my case) too! Either way, I had no more claim to the buck than they did. End of story.

Situation #2 - I was 15 at the time and was sitting in the cab of my dad's '78 Ford Explorer trying to stay warm and overlooking a hollow on the General Season Any Bull Elk Rifle hunt. There were a few other vehicles around us and all was pretty quiet. All of a sudden from behind us we hear shots and then to our right here comes 3 cows and a raghorn 4 pt. They are running hell bent for leather and not slowing down. We notice someone is missing them big time as we can see snow flying about 15 feet behind the bull. Well, they are headed for a stand of quakies and then down into a deep canyon. They run right in fron of us so dad opens up and sure enough on his second shot the bull goes down with a broken back. He is about 350 yards from us so we march over to him, finish him off with a shot to the neck and clean him out. On our way back to town we stop at a cattle guard and a truck pulls up to us and the guy asks us if he could at least see "his elk". My dad says "Sure, but what do you mean 'your elk'?" "Well", the guy replies "I emptied my gun on him twice (the last four of which had to have gone right over our heads from at least 600-800 yards away)and must have hit him at least 3 times!" To which I reply, "Well you sure didn't slow him down any for us!" (Which earned me a very stern "shut the hell up boy" glare from my dad). Being much more cool-headed. My dad says, "Hmm, well I know for a fact that I broke his back and ruined half of his front shoulder so I thought I had the obligation to tag him." The guy just muttered something under his breath and then drove off. Well, we skinned the elk later that day and found only two bullet holes, one high in the shoulder that broke his back, and one in the neck that finished him off.

So here's what I learned:

#1 - That guy didn't own the mountain. We had just as much right as he and all the other hunters did to be sitting where we were. It just so happened that the bull ran closest to us. Yeah he shot first, but he didn't hit first nor last, so guess what, his story ends there. Which brings me to lesson #2.

#2 - Either make your shots count or don't take stupid shots from too far away and then expect to have any claim on your quarry. This guy was shooting a lot, but he missed EVERY time, even though he thought otherwise. I guess in his excitement he failed to recognize those huge plumes of snow flying up behind the bull as his misses. He had his chance but blew it with poor shooting. He had plenty of chances to adjust but couldn't or didn't and probably ended up pushing the bull right to us. Dad took a careful running 350 yard shot and cleaned his clock. His loss, our gain. In fact the guy was shooting from so far away we couldn't see him and didn't know for sure if he was shooting at this bull or not.

So after reading all the accounts of what happened to Founder and the other gentleman, it appears that everyone got excited and made some mistakes. Now, everyone has a different account and remembers everything differently so the full truth lies somewhere between all of the stories. However, here is what I have been able to surmise from it all:

#1 - Founder did breach an ethical boundary when he began shooting in such close proximity to the first hunters. However as my lesson #1 proves, neither one of them own the mountain and both have equal rights to be there. He did nothing illegal and really all that can be questioned is his judgement call to start shooting. Which if you have hunted enough General Season OTC hunts, you will recognize as a very common reaction to the situation. Maybe not the best, and to you maybe not forgiveable but common. It looks like if he hadn't got the buck, there were plenty of others who would have. Welcome to the OTC jungle.

#2 - The first guys obviously had plenty of opportunities to capitalize but didn't or couldn't and lost their opportunity. Sorry fellas, regardless of whether or not Founder set up and started shooting so closely - you missed and then you didn't follow up to make sure you hadn't hit the buck. Did you go look for blood or begin tracking him? (You stated you walked away)Were you completely sure the buck Founder shot at was the exact same one you were cracking at? (That might be blatantly obvious from your point of view), but in putting the pieces of this puzzle back together it appears that you did lose sight of the buck for a while.)

#3 - By all accounts it does appear that the fatal shot on the buck did in fact come from Founder's rifle - which was even acknowledged by the first guys. So he followed up, and tagged the buck. He also uncontentiously worked it out with the other hunters who hit the buck as to who had the honor to do so. It doesn't appear that there were even any cross words spoken in this exchange and there was not an escalation of violence. They worked out a civil compromise and all parties walked away to continue on with their own individual efforts.

So in a perfect world here is what everyone should have done.

#1 - Founder should have moved farther away from the other hunters.

#2 - The other hunters should have shot better.

#3 - After seeing them miss and then finding the buck, since he was so close, Founder probably should have told them he had found the buck and then let them again attempt to finish it off.

#4 - The guys who finally put the buck down, who had also hit it, should have clarified with Founder if he wanted them to do so before hand. They could have easily sat on the wounded buck and waited.

That being said in hindsight, I admit that I really don't know anything about the situation becuase I wasn't there. But from what I have read that is what I surmise, all were a little wrong in some ways, but no one appeas to have broken any laws.

UTROY
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Sep-19-08, 
04:18 PM (MST)
102. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

LAST EDITED ON Sep-19-08 AT 04:34 PM (MST)

Good hell you're long winded, Roy. BTW, big brother, you would've kicked the guy's a@@ had he camped out 15 feet from you and started shooting.

Jenn (just playin' devil's advocate w/the big bro here...hee hee hee)

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Sep-19-08, 
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103. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Interesting........

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Sep-19-08, 
04:33 PM (MST)
104. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

It's sad a great buck ended this way.

I have made mistakes trying to get to deer, once I cut off a hunter going to a water hole. I regretted it, until the bastard stole my tree stand. But we all make mistakes in the heat of the moment.

But, I would never sit down 15 feet from somebody and shoot at a deer. If they would've continued to miss, just let the deer live, and try to find it bedded down that evening. Your success would be much sweeter, that you got a buck that eluded so many.

If they would have wounded it, I don't believe finishing it off would be unethical.

Does this classify as illegal "party hunting"?

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Sep-19-08, 
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109. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

I have only one comment for this thread! MULEYHUNTERFROMHELL POST #81 Please don't discredit people from Utah as bad, unethical hunters. I myself like alot of people on here can take the utard comments. but what gives you the HOLY I AM From ANOHTER STATE MAKE U BETTER THAN US. Like everywhere there are good & bad hunters should we have a thread that is all about the dumb acts or stupid things as hunters with state included so we can see who has the most unethical, dumbest hunters!!! I Don't think Utah would win. This in all is a bad situation for all hunters from everywhere! The best thing that can come out of this is that everyone here has learned a lesson! Respect & devotion sometimes blind us of what hunting is all about. Not the taking of a animal but, the experience, and teaching of ethics to young people. I hope from this bad situation good comes out of it. Founder great buck hopefully everyone can enjoy it an some solution will resolve from this. Congrats for everyone keeping a cool head & not letting a really bad situation happen. Hope the other guys get some monster bucks next year & post them up.

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berrysblaster
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Sep-19-08, 
04:06 PM (MST)
101. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

muley hunter are you serious?? hmmm you must have a halo and wings.

Wildlife population control specialist

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04:48 PM (MST)
107. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

It's Mormons not Mormans wise ass. I am Wyoming born and bred and am not the biggest fan of the state of Utah but, your blanket statements are ridiculous. I've seen idiot hunters here in WYO just as much as there. You aren't the only one around here that hunts multiple states so don't play the "Hunting GOD" card because nobody is buying it. Happens everywhere unfortunately.

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Sep-19-08, 
05:53 PM (MST)
112. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Ok Satan unleash the hounds. I am not Mormon/LDS and what does religion have to do with hunting? I have seen bad hunting ethics in Utah,Colorado,Nevada,Arizona,Cali. So good stay out of Utah one more tag for the rest of us. I know their alot of bad apples, but 80% of most hunters are just like you, and me respect other hunters & the game which we are after. I remember when the Bookcliffs was general season tag like most people like Triplekkk & Roy know about. My grandpa would say these damn Californians are shooting & killing anything that moves out here ruining it for everyone. Until I started to understand that development & roads everywhere were actually the problem. Labeling people or state is just stupid & Ignorant. I am sorry you had a bad couple of experinces here, but it really is a good place to camp,fish,hunt. So don't bring the whole holly religion thing up!!!!

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Sep-19-08, 
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134. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

And Utah
>is the only state in
>which I have hunted
>that I have seen this
>go on. That is why
>I will not return to
>utah to hunt ever again.
>I don't want to get
>shot or see my truck
>shot.

Muleyfromhell,

You took the words right out of my mouth and I am glad you came to the conclusion to never hunt in Utah again. PLEASE KEEP THAT PROMISE!!!
We just assume not have you kind of idiots that think they know so much but really know so little...

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145. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

> I have hunted in
>many different states including utah.
>So when I say Utards
>are idiots and that they
>don't have any ethics, I
>know what I am talking
>about. I have seen Utards
>shoot over, behind and in
>front of people, vehicles and
>horses. Just to try and
>put a deer on the
>ground. Now what kind of
>ethics are those? And Utah
>is the only state in
>which I have hunted
>that I have seen this
>go on. That is why
>I will not return to
>utah to hunt ever again.
>I don't want to get
>shot or see my truck
>shot. I have been in
>a similiar situation as brian.
>where I walked up a
>ridge and noticed a guy
>laying on his stomach looking
>through his scope, I looked
>in the direction he was
>looking in and noticed a
>very nice deer that was
>closer to me than it
>was to him. I chose
>to turn around and go
>the other way, in hopes
>of not spooking the buck
>and ruining his shot. I
>don't know if he did
>kill that buck, I heard
>a couple of shots but
>didn't go running over there
>to see if he had
>gotten it. and if he
>did miss the deer,shame on
>him. The deer lives to
>see another day. I am
>not going to go sit
>next to the guy and
>start shooting at the same
>deer,that is just retarted.
>
> AND I REPEAT, "UTARDS
>HAVE NO ETHICS"... PERIOD.
>
>And for all you mormans who
>don't like the muleyhunterfromhell, you
>had better be nice or
>I will unleash SATAN.

Muleyhunterfromgaytown,

You are a douche bag! Im glad you never plan on returning to Utah.

TUFF

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Sep-20-08, 
10:09 PM (MST)
150. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

We will sure miss you here in the great state of Utah! Don't slip on the green jell-o on your way out the door!

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Sep-19-08, 
04:04 PM (MST)
100. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Muleyhunterfromhell,
Glad to hear you're not going to hunt there. That's one less I have to worry about drawing in front of me.
Thanks!

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Sep-19-08, 
04:35 PM (MST)
105. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

That is a story I didn't expect to read when I logged onto MM.

Well said Roy.

Here is what I thought about the situation.
I don't really see one person at more fault in this story than anyone else. I see two main things that went wrong in this story.

#1 With the other hunters there first and only 15 feet away why didn't Founder ask them permission to shoot?

#2 If I thought I had already mortally wounded a deer I wouldn't just walk away. I would at least talk to the guy 15 feet from me. I would also go check for blood and make sure the deer I had shot at was dead before walking away. The guy sitting only 15 feet away could have been shooting at a different deer or just finishing off the deer not knowing I had already hit it.

Hindsight is 20/20, hopefully all involved learned how to avoid something like this in the future.

This story is the reason why I often end up hunting my 3rd or 4th choice spot opening morning. When I run into other hunters I choose to hunt the other side of the hill. There are a couple of times the other guy ended up killing the buck I was after but at least I've avoided a situation like this.

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bobcatbess
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Sep-19-08, 
05:42 PM (MST)
111. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

FOUNDER,YOU'RE A PLICK!!!

HOW DOES THAT FEEL???

LAST YEAR I WAS GLASSING A HALF BASIN WHEN A GUY & HIS KID WALKED UP TO ME!!!

WE QUIETLY TALKED A BIT WHEN THE DAD SPOTTED A BUCK I'D ALREADY HAD MY CROSSHAIRS ON EARLIER!!!

THEY WENT BALLISTIC & SAID "HE'S A BIG BUCK"!!!

THEY CAPPED A FEW OFF AT QUITE A DISTANCE AS I WAS CLOSELY WATCHING THE BUCK BUT I COULDN'T SEE THAT EITHER ONE OF THEM HIT THE BUCK & HE RUN OFF!!!

I WILL GIVE THEM ONE CREDIT!!!

IT WAS A STEEP SOB & THE DAD TOLD THE KID THEY HAD TO GO CHECK FOR BLOOD WHICH I WATCHED THEM DO!!!

IT ONLY TAKES ONE SHOT IN THIS AREA TO #### IT UP FOR A WEEK OR MORE!!!

I'M NOT REAL HAPPY ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED BUT WHAT DO YA DO???

IT BEATS WHAT HAPPENED THE FOLLOWING DAY THOUGH!!!

I DON'T EVEN ####ING WANNA GO THERE!!!

ON TO THE NEXT STORY:::

THE YEAR WAS 2000!!!

I'D DONE ALOT OF SCOUTING PRIOR TO SEASONS!!!

I SHOULD OF HAD A 30" BUCK MYSELF DURING MUZZ SEASON THAT YEAR BUT THANKS TO SOME BRAND NEW JUNK CAPS ALL THAT WAS HEARD WAS A CLICK & THAT BUCK DISTAPEARED NEVER TO BE SEEN AGAIN!!!

SO I SETTLED ON A DECENT BUCK A FEW DAYS LATER BUT DAMN SURE NOT A 30"ER!!!

RIFLE SEASON ROLLS AROUND AND ME & JR TAKE THE WIFE BACK IN WHERE I'D SEEN A DECENT BUCK I'D BEEN WATCHING!!!

THE WEATHER HAD MOVED IN A WEEK PRIOR & THE BUCK HAD MOVED A COUPLE OF MILES DOWN IN TO TERRITORY I TRY AND STAY AWAY FROM!!!

I KNEW IF WE DIDN'T GET THIS BUCK OPENING MORNING WE'D BE SCREWED FOR SURE!!!

WELL WE LEFT THE TRUCK AT 3:30 A.M. AND GOT BACK IN WHERE WE NEEDED TO BE!!!

MY BETTER HALF IS A GOOD SHOT BUT WE WERE SOAKED,HALF SICK & EVERYBODY WAS SHIVERING BY DAYS LIGHT!!!

WE SNUCK OVER TO WHERE WE NEEDED TO BE & SURE ENOUGH THE BUCK WAS SNEAKING UP THROUGH THE THICK $HIT!!!

BOOM!!!

I SEE THE BUCK FLINCH & SPIN 180 DEGREES!!!

BOOM!!!

I SEE WHITE DUST,WHAT I THOUGHT WAS OFF A QUAKIE TREE!!!

MY GAWD,I'M THINKING SHE'S GOT ONLY ONE BULLET LEFT IN THE GUN!!!

BOOM!!!

THE BUCK IS DOWN FOR THE COUNT!!!

WE GET OVER TO THE BUCK & SEE HE HAS BROKE THE CHEATER OFF THAT HE HAD WHEN I'D SEEN HIM ON EARLIER SCOUTING TRIPS!!!

AND THEN GOOD GAWD A MIGHTY!!!

EVERY HUNTER ON THAT MOUNTAIN STARTED SHOWING UP!!!

NEARLY EVERY ONE OF THEM CLAIMED THEY HAD SHOT AT & WOUNDED THAT BUCK PRIOR TO THE BETTER HALF PUTTING HIM ON THE GROUND!!!

I DO REMEMBER ONE (LOCAL!!!) SORENSON KID THAT CAME UP & CONGRADULATED MY WIFE & SAID THAT IS A GREAT BUCK CONGRADULATIONS,HE WAS THE ONLY ONE ON THE MOUNTAIN THAT DAY THAT DIDN'T CLAIM HE'D SHOT & WOUNDED THE BUCK!!!

I'M TELLING YOU BEFORE WE GOT THAT BUCK OFF THE MOUNTAIN THERE WERE PEOPLE HIKING IN TO SEE HIM & CLAIM THEY ALL HAD SHOT AT HIM OR WOUNDED HIM PRIOR TO MY WIFE TAKING HIM!!!

AND TO TOP IT OFF A WOMAN GETTING HIM!!!

I'M SURE I WAS A PRICK THAT DAY!!!

IF THIS BUCK WOULD'OF BEEN HIT/WOUNDED AS MANY TIMES AS CLAIMED HE'D OF BEEN NOTHING MORE THAN BURGER LONG BEFORE WE SEEN HIM!!!

I SEEN ALOT OF JEALOUSY ON THE HILL THAT DAY!!!

AND IT ONLY PROVES ONE THING!!!

WE WERE HUNTING WAY TOO CLOSE TO TOO MANY TARDS & I'LL BE THE FIRST ONE TO ADMIT IT!!!

I DON'T LIKE GETTING IN TO SITUATIONS SO NOW DAYS I HUNT FURTHER BACK IN WHERE THERES NO DEER & FEWER TARDS!!!

I DON'T HAVE TOO WORRY ABOUT SEEING A 30"ER ANYMORE!!!

AND I DON'T SEE TO MANY TARDS EITHER!!!

I'LL LEAVE THE SHOOT-OUTS TO OTHER PISSCUTTIN FOOLS THAT WANNA FIGHT OVER WHO SHOT WHAT AFTER THE PISSCUTTERS HIT THE GROUND!!!

THIS IS MY NEW GUN,YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT,YOU'LL LIKE IT A HELL OF A LOT LESS WHEN IT HITS ITS DESTINATION!!!

THE ONLY bobcat THAT KNOWS ALOT OF YOU HAVE HAD THIS IMAGE IN YOUR PEA BRAIN BUT DUE TO POOR SHOOTING TACTICS I'M STILL KICKIN!!!

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kilowatt
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Sep-19-08, 
09:38 PM (MST)
125. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

GEEZ,
GET YOUR NEW COMPUTER AND RAMBLE ON ENDLESSLY AND USING ALL CAPS TOO. CAN'T YOU GET A PUTER WITHOUT A CAP LOCK?? lol

Boy are you long winded tonight Bessy, feeling your oats huh!

Brian

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bobcatbess
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Sep-20-08, 
06:31 AM (MST)
138. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

kilo!!!

NOT REALLY FEELIN MY OATS!!!

THE CAPS BUILT UP AND I LET ER GO!!!

THIS THREAD REMINDS ME OF DIFFERENT SITUATIONS I'VE BEEN IN/OR SEEN OVER THE YEARS AND VERY FEW OF THEM HAD GOOD ENDINGS!!!

2 YEARS AGO IN THE SAME AREA AS MENTIONED ABOVE THERE WAS A BIG SHOOT-OUT AND ONE OF THE LOCAL COWBOYS PUT A FAIRLY NICE BUCK ON THE GROUND,BEFORE HE COULD GET OVER TO IT ANOTHER HUNTER RUN OVER & CLAIMED THE BUCK,BEING THE MAN THE COWBOY IS HE LET THE JACK-ASS HAVE THE BUCK,GAWD I'M GLAD I WASN'T ANYWHERE NEAR ALL THESE TARDS SLINGING SLUGS IN EVERY DIRECTION,SOMEBODY IS GONNA GET SHOT,JUST A MATTER OF TIME!!!

THERE COMES A TIME WHEN EVEN A 30"ER AIN'T WORTH IT!!!

THIS MIGHT BE ONE OF THEM TIMES???

WTF kilo???

I'D LIKE A LIST OF WHO & HOW MANY TIMES I'VE BEEN REPORTED TO THE MODS PLEASE???

THIS IS MY NEW GUN,YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT,YOU'LL LIKE IT A HELL OF A LOT LESS WHEN IT HITS ITS DESTINATION!!!

THE ONLY bobcat THAT KNOWS ALOT OF YOU HAVE HAD THIS IMAGE IN YOUR PEA BRAIN BUT DUE TO POOR SHOOTING TACTICS I'M STILL KICKIN!!!

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Sep-19-08, 
04:48 PM (MST)
106. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

LAST EDITED ON Sep-19-08 AT 05:01 PM (MST)

Wheres the popcorn?


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BCBOY
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Sep-19-08, 
05:58 PM (MST)
113. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Holy Crap what a read. Glad to see the majority of it is still here. Normally by the time I get home from work, all the excitement has been nuked out.

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sonofthesouth
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Sep-19-08, 
06:23 PM (MST)
114. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Sounds like that horse was one hell of a judge of character to me...just sayin

Son

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ktc
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Sep-19-08, 
07:17 PM (MST)
115. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Founder,

When I first posted and told you nice buck, in honesty, I just looked and did not read the story. Now that I have read the story and the replies I took time to think about this.

No way could I have done what you did. No way. I could not mount that buck and have it in my house knowing all the crap surrounding this deer. I would work something out with the other guys, mount it and sell it, or let Sportsman's hang it on their wall. I cannot imagine anyone really wanting it now?

Sometimes we do things we regret. Do you think you posted all of this to get approval or are you convinced everything is okay? You do not have to satisfy anyone but yourself. I learned a long damn time ago that a deer or elk was not worth making an enemy. If there was any question I would have done what the others did and leave. It is not worth an argument, fight, or guns getting involved. If I cannot have an animal that is mine without question or controversy...someone else can have it.

I would not have shot it in the ass to hurry and get blood drawn either. I don't know, but I think you screwed up Brian. You have killed some great bucks, but this one don't count. JMO since you posted up the whole deal.

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bobcatbess
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Sep-19-08, 
07:32 PM (MST)
116. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

HEY JACKMASTER???

WHO'S ASS ARE YOU KISSING???

I DO EXPECT AN ANSWER???

THIS IS MY NEW GUN,YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT,YOU'LL LIKE IT A HELL OF A LOT LESS WHEN IT HITS ITS DESTINATION!!!

THE ONLY bobcat THAT KNOWS ALOT OF YOU HAVE HAD THIS IMAGE IN YOUR PEA BRAIN BUT DUE TO POOR SHOOTING TACTICS I'M STILL KICKIN!!!

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Sep-19-08, 
09:48 PM (MST)
126. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Could'nt have said it much better KTC.

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HighWidenHandsome
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Sep-19-08, 
10:39 PM (MST)
130. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

KTC

YES... I think you have it right! You don'y know! Why would you think Brian tried to shoot the deer in the ass? It was over 400 yds away, the bullet hit where it hit, but it did knock the deer down! You guys make it sound like founder is some kind of criminal for doing the same thing most everyone else would have done as well. I don't know if you've read the whole story, the other shooters were unable to continue fire they have never denied that! They feel like because they couldn't kill the buck no one should be able to! Why should anyone have to ask permission to shoot at a public animal?
If I go duck hunting on a public marsh and I shoot at and miss a duck does that mean no one else on the marsh has a right to shoot at it too? Am I suppose to include that bird in my limit even though I didn't hit it?

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sarg7mm
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Sep-19-08, 
07:39 PM (MST)
117. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

High wide and wasn't there, we aren't really trying to discredit any one. Here lets just get the facts straight. We Do not care about the size of the deer, the location of the deer, the shots fired at the deer. What we do care about is that someone would sit down close enough to have gun barrel sword fights with a guy who was already in position to kill the deer. Then twist a story to justify there actions. Proof is in Brians story if you have to apolagize for some thing you've done is that not an admition of guilt. Just a side not Brian Keeps saying how he hammered, and leveled the buck, could someone explain that one to me.. Did it not require someone else to finish it..

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woodruffhunter
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Sep-19-08, 
08:31 PM (MST)
118. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

"Sounds like that horse was one hell of a judge of character to me...just sayin"

Son,

How many times have you been kicked in the head?

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Sep-19-08, 
08:40 PM (MST)
119. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

If someone is shooting at a deer then it is HIS deer wether he hits it or not! Let it walk and chase it another day. Founder, your getting this abuse because you deserve it! Just my opinion. fatrooster.

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Sep-19-08, 
08:46 PM (MST)
120. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

HEY fat-banty!!!

GOOD TO HEAR FROM YOU!!!

WHAT'YA BEEN HUNTING???

THIS IS MY NEW GUN,YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT,YOU'LL LIKE IT A HELL OF A LOT LESS WHEN IT HITS ITS DESTINATION!!!

THE ONLY bobcat THAT KNOWS ALOT OF YOU HAVE HAD THIS IMAGE IN YOUR PEA BRAIN BUT DUE TO POOR SHOOTING TACTICS I'M STILL KICKIN!!!

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Sep-19-08, 
08:56 PM (MST)
122. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

You guys are missing one important aspect of this story, that is the fact he was kicked in the head. Probably had at the least a mild concussion, which means, he probably wasn't thinkin very straight. On top of that, I betcha he was seeing at least double, which makes this story very remarkable in the fact that he shot and hit one of the 2 bucks he was looking at. ;)
I know a lot about head injuries. I happened to have given several of them to my brother over the years. Once with a baseball bat. Landed him in the hospital for over a week. Since then, he has never been able to think right. I'm always worried he's gonna try shooting a buck that I'm on.

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wmidbrook
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Sep-19-08, 
08:55 PM (MST)
121. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Well, maybe you ought to call that buck...."The Rub" buck. 'Cause, it's certainly a buck that caused a rub.

It's a nice buck no doubt. Over-pressure is why I switched on over to limited-entry public land hunts, private ranch hunts or primitive public land hunts.

Sh!t happens when a lot of people are competing for the same resource at the same time...when there are a lot of people in one area, there's no way they will all have the same ethics or act in the same way. You did what you thought right--right, wrong or indifferent it was legal no doubt about it.

Anyway, there's a lot of food for thought that will either solidify how you feel about what you did or it may change your point of view. Either way, it's all good and there are a lot of people who will benefit from reading this entire thread as well. It will force them to decide what the right choice would have been for themselves.

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Sep-19-08, 
09:16 PM (MST)
123. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

popcorns gone notting but ass to kiss now!
I want my son to read this and he's 14 but he would just
think what a bunch of ass's how old are these guys anyway and I am never going to hunt out of calforenia...at lease it safe
here!
should have locked it....
rm

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Sep-19-08, 
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127. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Preemptive karma with the kick to the head.

Don't matter if it went down the way you said or the way the other guys said you got greedy.

Only thing you can do to save face is have that very nice buck mounted and sent to the other guy so he can at least hang it in his garage. And admit that you made a mistake.

By the way I like your website and don't feel to bad {if you do}
everybody makes a bone head move every now and then.

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HighWidenHandsome
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Sep-19-08, 
10:19 PM (MST)
129. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

If I shoot at deer on opening morning is it mine through the entire season? And if someone else kills it do they send the mount to me? Prepaid I asume! GET REAL!

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Sep-19-08, 
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128. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Sarg once again you have your facts wrong! I was there!
Not right next to the shooters but on the opposite ridge, right above you! (if your the guy with the horses and the kids) You tell the story about who hit the buck but I still haven't heard the shooters say they did! Extreme1 claims Brian thought the hole mountain belonged to him but you guys are saying not only the mountain belonged to you but all the deer on it did too! No one else had the right to shoot at a deer if you were on it! Why would you and your group think because you had spotted a buck that it personally belonged to you! You seem to believe a public animal belongs to you! You guys refuse to admit the deer would in fact have never have been recovered by your party, you would rather put blame on the guy that did the job! HOw COME YOU GUYS CAN'T JUST SAY WE KNOCKED IT DOWN OR WE HAD A BLOOD TRAIL? BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T? WHY DON'T YOU JUST SAY YOU MISSED IT?

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Sep-19-08, 
09:38 PM (MST)
124. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Congratulations! Awesome buck and quite a story to go with it.

Keep the Sun at Your Back and the Wind in Your Face

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Sep-19-08, 
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131. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

You guys dont deserve the buck if you let a guy who got kicked in the head, out shoot you!!!!!!!!

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Sep-19-08, 
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132. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Congrats on yet another monster muley. You sure know what you are doing in the hills.

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133. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Safety as much as ethics in my book-Why? Shooting within 15ft of someone else while looking through a scope could have ended up with someone getting shot! Who knows if the other party could have headed out in front of Brian as he squeezed the trigger it could have been even uglier.
I would not have fired in that situation and hopefully never end up in a situation like that.

Yes, "ethic" situations happen more often than we would like and I can give an example myself-
Two years ago like every year I had hiked and scouted like a dog trying to up my odds on getting a big buck. I had found an area that had many good sized bucks and a couple dandies as well. Probably spent close to 90-100 days vested in figuring out bedding, feeding, watering areas and escape routes.
First day of the season I hike in and pass on several of the decent bucks knowing it's only a matter of time before I get one of the real big boys. Even took a picture of one of the deer I passed for memories of the hunt.........The next day arrives and I get to the area to see a camp right where I usually park- I pull over a hundred yards away since it's the only area to park for the next few miles feeling anxious but confident if it's other hunters that they would never make a hike in as far as I was going.
As I walk by around 80 yards from the camp I see beer bottles all over the ground in the moon light.
I hear an obvious drunk yelling out is that you &%$^ thinking it was a friend of there's or something. I continue on and I am now 500-600 yards up the hill when I hear shots being fired all over the place and then a voice yelling- " I hope that hunter had a deer in his crosshairs".
Not sure if my truck was now full of holes or what the heck was going on I head back down the hill towards the camp. Two guys and a girl are laughing there asses off and from the looks of them as I get closer it's obvious they are not hunters.
Now I am really pissed off so I put my pack down and my rifle and walk up to the idiot who I assumed fired the shots and I ask him what his problem was. Nothing but blank stares....I inform them that there is laws on harassing hunters and that I will be contacting a game warden. The only comment I get is "whatever". The other guy is apologizing for his buddies obvious moronic behavior.
Holding my temper in check I hike above the camp and get out my cell phone and call the local county sheriff office. They get me in touch with a CDOW officer and they are in route. The three finally seeing I am serious get nervous and start to pack up camp. The two guys try and sneak out on there ATV's but the CDOW officer is waiting on the road for them as they head out and heads them back to the camp.
I head back down the hill and talk with the nice officer about what happend and explain that they were harassing my hunt and after awhile the guy that did the shooting gets a fine.
Now with half the day gone by this time the warden wishes me luck and assures me they will watch the group pack up camp and make sure my truck is not messed with.
I head out half a day out of the hunting season gone due to idiots my mind racing. On the way into my area I notice a small buck laying in the open and it does not look well at all.
I walk up close and it tries to stand with much effort and finally gets up. I notice a runny bloody spot on it's side in the gut area. This buck has been shot by someone in the guts and is standing there staring at me suffering. I think about all the effort I put into the hunt but my thoughts dont't last long as I shoot and kill the deer.
I think about calling back the warden and explaining the situation but after the earlier incident I take a huge sigh and pull out my tag and fill it out.
Definitely was not what I figured the season to be but I figured I did the right thing...How many would have done the same??? It's just a matter of what you believe to be right even if you take it in the arse in the end and you know what I feel good about my decision.
Best,
Jerry


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Sep-20-08, 
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137. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Jerry- Two years ago in WY my Dad and I came across an antelope that had a very bad limp. Looked like he had a broken leg. He was not a "shooter" goat but I shot him anyway. I think as sportsman we need to do that if the situation arises.

As far as the story goes....I can't help but think of what kind of a hunter takes a 400 yard shot with a deer facing straight away from you. This buck was shot "Texas-Heart" style. It is risky enough to take a broadside shot at 400 yards let alone an ass shot! In that regard...I think Founder knew someone was going to start throwing more lead at this deer and he needed to put him down anyway he can. He didn't want to wait for him to turn broadside or give him a better shot. I've never been in that situation so I can't say how Founder was feeling. Probably a little stressed about someone else taking another shot before he could get one off. I don't know. That's a horrible shot to take.

I could never sit down 15 feet form another hunter and shoot. I'd have peeked over the ridge to witness the shooting and hopefully be able to see a big deer on the ground. I'm not a trophy hunter so I do not just hunt for big deer. I like to see big deer but I don't care who shoots them. I'd never have shot in that situation.

Granted Founder scouted for a long time to find that buck....but that buck did not have specifically his name on it. This is a bad deal and can't be changed. Maybe it will help prevent the same situation for one of us that have read it.

Steve

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Sep-20-08, 
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135. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Founder,

For the record, I really enjoy reading your website and am glad you started it.

I mainly just read and very seldom respond however in reading this whole thread I believe all of us have to accept at least one conclusion...

I think the message that the other parties involved are trying to get across is not that they own the mountain or any deer on it.
The real message I get out of it is why Brian sat literallly 5 yards next to them and started shooting??

At least you could of asked them something like this:
1- Do you mind if I shoot?
or better yet,
2- Are you guys still going to try and take him?

I think if you would of asked those simple questions before just starting to shoot (right next to them), this thread wouldn't have gotten so ridiculous with stories and justifications back and forth...

The lesson all of us need to learn from this is that as hunters, we DO NOT sit next to someone else and start firing away. At least walk a distance away to a different vantage point and fire from there if you feel you have a decent shot still.

Anyway, I hope that you have been to the doc and had your injury checked out and you are O.K.

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Sep-20-08, 
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136. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Enough already...Get over it, the buck's dead. Brian you have every right to end this thread. Hindsight is like swarovski glass. Let it go.

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Sep-20-08, 
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139. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

I think the title of the thread “I killed a big buck!!!!” says a lot about the current hunting mentality.

I’ve read many enjoyable hunting stories on this forum. Many of them ended with small animals going down and a few where good hunters ate tag soup.

I can’t understand why someone would post a story knowing it would be controversial unless all that matters now is “I killed a big buck”.

Poor judgment on posting the story and the ethics involved. Especially by someone who most of us admire and expect better from.

RUS

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Sep-20-08, 
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140. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

RUS,

I couldn't agree more.

Brian,

Over the years I've developed tremendous respect for you as you're one of few hunters who consistently takes not just nice bucks, but REALLY nice bucks every year! However, that respect was knocked down several notches in the Ethics category after reading about this experience.

First of all, I'm curious to know what you thought the majority of people's reactions were going to be when they read of this experience. Did you think your spin would be the only one seen, so all would be well and you would continue to be revered as a great and mighty hunter? People already do that based on your past results. I would give my left nut for just one of the trophies adorning your wall. However your site is about the most popular site around the country these days for Mule Deer hunting, so I don't find it surprising that the other people involved got on here and told their side. Looks like it came back to bite you.

Second of all, I can't believe you had the audacity to sit down just a few feet/yards away from these other hunters who beat you to the punch, and start shooting! You're lucky they didn't beat the sh%t out of you right in front of your son! Kind of a stupid move (especially when guns were present). You and your supporters can justify that it was public land, and that the buck wasn't hit, etc. Frankly, all that crap is irrelevant and I think by now you know it. Bottom line, ethicly you shouldn't have done what you did, and it's now time to take your medicine.

My first thought after reading both sides of the story were why didn't you just initially back out of there and seeing as how the buck wasn't dead (or even wounded based on what you say) go after him later on (ie the next day or something). I'm confident you probably would've been successful seeing as how you saw where the buck went and you knew its habits, etc from previous scouting experience.

What I really think is unfortunate, is that despite how nice that buck is, it will always have an asterisk (if you will) next to it as it hangs on your wall due to the poor circumstances with which he was harvested. I really hope your son doesn't grow up thinking it's all about the antlers. However, what have you shown him that would indicate anything otherwise? To set up right next to other hunters despite knowing they were there first and shooting at the animal you had your eyes on from previous outings... To take a 400 yd ass shot just for the sake of trying to get him (so much for the meat, but hey if the headgear is all intact that's what matters huh?)... Then to publicly brag it up like you are still a great hunter... it really shows some true colors about you.

And to think it was all for a lousy deer. You should hook up with DeerKing and discuss that line of thinking. Make no mistake I'm not comparing you to a poacher, etc. But that way of thinking (I have to produce, and it's all about Antlers, etc.) is what got him in trouble too (not to mention others who have done illegal activity). Hopefully you've learned a lesson from this (as I hope we all have) so that it doesn't come to that for you, or your son down the road.

Look within yourself and see where and what your values really are when it comes to hunting. If it's solely for the headgear so be it (nevertheless how unfortunate). Hopefully it doesn't lead to problems later on as this time you were lucky.

Respectfully,

Eyeguard


"A man can be hard to find in the mountains, but you're welcome at my fire anytime."

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Sep-20-08, 
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141. "Public Opinion Has Weighed In!!!!"

FAIR ENOUGH!!!! Public opinion has weighed in and I (Founder) should not have shot at the big buck. From second #1 of the whole event I had said that deer shouldn't have been mine. The first person (I thought a younger kid) who shot should have killed it, but they didn't. They missed, as did the other fellow.

I should have just watched the excitement and let the deer bound off, but I didn't...probably couldn't at that point. Instinct took over and I shot. I really didn't set out to step of those guys toes....I really didn't. I hope they understand that. I honestly felt they were done....had lost sight of the deer while reloading and I guess from what they said, clearing a jam in one of the guns. I just didn't think they were going to get that deer and I shot. ????????????????

What more can I say?

Brian Latturner
MonsterMuleys.com

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elkslayer54
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Sep-20-08, 
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142. "RE: Public Opinion Has Weighed In!!!!"

Brian, I do not understand why everyone here has to bash another hunter you or someone else everytime a good animal is brought down. It is due to this kind of crap I will never post a pict on this site. All of the comments "I respect you but now you have gone down a couple of noches", Like you give a rats azz what they think of you. Next time you take a dump and wipe you azz put the TP in the crapper is where 99% of all the BS opinions go. If my kids acted like some of the jerks on here do they would not walk for a week. Public opinion BLA BLA. There is only ONE man's opinion that matters and that is your's. You look you in the mirror every morning. Like what you see, it is all good. If you don't time to change something. Later bill

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Sep-20-08, 
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143. "RE: Public Opinion Has Weighed In!!!!"

WOW this deal sound like the one me and the wife had in Idaho last year. somtimes I think there is no clear answer. Its like I was told when my wife wounded a buck last year and another guy killed it "Your wife should be upset she didnt make a better shot and the other guy should be happy he made a better shot" But to this day I dont think there is a clear way to do this. Other then make that first shot count!!!
Brian sorry to see you need to deal with this it is hard and takes away from the hunt I now it really bothered my wife last year and probably took away from the other persons feeling of there Trophy they took home....


UThunting
Clynt L Citte
Willard Utah

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HighWidenHandsome
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Sep-20-08, 
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144. "RE: Public Opinion Has Weighed In!!!!"

Well said ELKSLAYER Others weren't there and they can imagine any perfect scenario they want! 99% of these same critics would have done the same thing Brian did only none of them would have posted the event! The other hunters are like a couple of drunk drivers blaming other motorists for being on the road! Brian has worked hard for the big bucks he has taken and come home empty many times! Unlike all the computer jockey
hunters on this site! He's still the most respected and best deer hunter I've ever known! I'm proud to hunt with him any time and I'll take the leftovers he passes! As for beating him up, what an assinine remark! What do these guys do sneak around the mountains listen for a gun shot, then run to the kill and offer to fight the hunter for the game?

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Sep-20-08, 
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148. "RE: Public Opinion Has Weighed In!!!!"

HighWidenHandsome,

Don't count me as one of the "99%" would do the same thing, not for walking up and shooting 5 yards away from another hunter!

You may be one of the 99%, but don't speak for anyone else!

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tylercreek2
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Sep-20-08, 
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146. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

>>>>What a shame that "hunting" is coming to this! When I hunt public ground if I see somebody has made it to the spot I intended to hunt before I did I'll find some place else to go. Furthermore, if people are shooting at a deer then there needs to be some sort of "grace period" to allow them to finish what they have started, you dont sit down next to them and start torching rounds.

Brian, I like you, we've spent quite a bit of time talking and I have enjoyed every bit of it but in this instance I wholeheartedly disagree with the way this went down. You sat down 15 feet from these guys? Thats 5 yards, my tv is further away from the couch than that. Put yourself in their shoes, it would not be cool to have a dude come sit in your lap and start shooting.

What a way to kick off a couple hunting careers, if I were a kid I'm not sure I would want to go throught that cluster #@$% again.

Drum<<<<
outstanding response i couldnt agree more + 1

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BUCKSPY
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Sep-20-08, 
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147. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Bud-I always want to show respect to those who have seen more sunrises and sunsets than I have. I want to believe that there is a wisdom that comes with age. I wholeheartedly disagree with your contention that 99% of the critics would have done the same thing. If that was the really the case, why the uproar from so many? Just so guys could sit behind their keyboards and lob cyber-stones at Brian? Not by any measure in my opinion. You have to give some legitimacy to the idea that this really pissed people off.

Its a really unfortunate event for all involved. For both fathers and their sons who spent the summer hoping, wishing, scouting and waiting for the day to arrive only to have this event sour it for everybody. Brian is strung up in his own website and is most likely embarrassed by now. The other father and son have the bitter taste of what happened to last until the next time they hunt deer where hopefully a great experience awaits. Every moment spent between a father a son in the outdoors should be "golden" and its really unfortunate that this will be an event that won't be easily forgotten by either kid. Its done, can't be changed and all anyone can do is build from it.

There are plenty of guys who have obviously have no problem with what transpired and I find it troubling. I also believe without a doubt that plenty of folks aren't just spouting hot air with their criticisms and would "walk the walk" when no one else is looking. For you to suggest that they don't have the courage of their convictions is wrong. I appreciate you defending your son and know this is probably difficult for you too but might see that some people have a legitimate reason to be upset.

I hope the one thing that comes from this is that there are lessoned learned here for others to take something from.

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huntsonora
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Sep-20-08, 
09:38 PM (MST)
149. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

>Bud-I always want to show respect
>to those who have seen
>more sunrises and sunsets than
>I have. I want
>to believe that there is
>a wisdom that comes with
>age. I wholeheartedly disagree
>with your contention that 99%
>of the critics would have
>done the same thing.
>If that was the really
>the case, why the uproar
>from so many? Just
>so guys could sit behind
>their keyboards and lob cyber-stones
>at Brian? Not by
>any measure in my opinion.
> You have to give
>some legitimacy to the idea
>that this really pissed people
>off.
>
>Its a really unfortunate event for
>all involved. For both
>fathers and their sons who
>spent the summer hoping, wishing,
>scouting and waiting for the
>day to arrive only to
>have this event sour it
>for everybody. Brian is
>strung up in his own
>website and is most likely
>embarrassed by now. The
>other father and son have
>the bitter taste of what
>happened to last until the
>next time they hunt deer
>where hopefully a great experience
>awaits. Every moment spent
>between a father a son
>in the outdoors should be
>"golden" and its really unfortunate
>that this will be an
>event that won't be easily
>forgotten by either kid.
>Its done, can't be changed
>and all anyone can do
>is build from it.
>
>There are plenty of guys who
>have obviously have no problem
>with what transpired and I
>find it troubling. I
>also believe without a doubt
>that plenty of folks aren't
>just spouting hot air with
>their criticisms and would "walk
>the walk" when no one
>else is looking. For you
>to suggest that they don't
>have the courage of their
>convictions is wrong. I
>appreciate you defending your son
>and know this is probably
>difficult for you too but
>might see that some people
>have a legitimate reason to
>be upset.
>
>I hope the one thing that
>comes from this is that
>there are lessoned learned here
>for others to take something
>from.

The 99% comment kind of chapped me and I wanted to respond but didnt want to get Browtines panties in a bunch by being snide, rude and uncomplimentary in my response.

For that reason I will just say X2 BUCKSPY, very classy response from one of the classiest guys that frequents this website.


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Sep-20-08, 
10:22 PM (MST)
151. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Keep pretending to be perfect Drum, its inspiring.

Later, Brandon

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huntsonora
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Sep-21-08, 
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157. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

>Keep pretending to be perfect Drum,
>its inspiring.
>
>
>
>Later, Brandon

I was under the impression that this is a discussion forum. A story was posted here and I have posted my opinions. Just because somebody has a different opinion that you doesnt mean they are perfect or trying to be perfect. Grow up dude.

I am not perfect, not even close! I keep my mistakes between myself, my family and friends and God. If I post up a scenario that shows a lack of judgement or a momentary brain fart I would hope I get called on it so as to learn from it. If nothing else this thread has made people pause and think about siuations like this. Kudos to Brian for keeping it up, its never an easy thing to do but it speaks volumes that he did not delete or lock the thread. As I posted in another post, I have talked with him quite a bit and have enjoyed every conversation we've had.

I do find it a little bit odd that you single me out for voicing my opinion when it seems that the majority of the people that posted on this subject have shared a lot of the same thoughts. Whats with that? I aint gonna lie to you dude, its a little bit freaky


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Sep-21-08, 
12:19 PM (MST)
164. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

>I do find it a little
>bit odd that you single
>me out for voicing my
>opinion when it seems that
>the majority of the people
>that posted on this subject
>have shared a lot of
>the same thoughts. Whats
>with that? I aint
>gonna lie to you dude,
>its a little bit freaky


Sorry man, your not my type. My point is, people who live in glass houses shouldn't cast stones. I don't need to bring dirty laundry into this discussion. But don't sit here and tell all of us how great of a decision maker you are. (I would have walked away blah blah blah...)

Later, Brandon

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HighWidenHandsome
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Sep-21-08, 
10:37 AM (MST)
162. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

OK..... Buckspy you have my attention! As you said, I've been around a while and yes I will defend my son right to the end! I agree that the incident was a lousy one to deal with, but in my 50 yrs of deer hunting I've witnessed tons of incidents where groups of hunters have encountered game (a target) this includes hunters say 5-10 all in the same party and times when it may include hunters from different parties and everyone shoots! No body asks permission from anyone else!
And usually the end result is some kind of conflict, normally not drastic but feelings get hurt ( even in same party situations) I don't think anyone would go looking for this kind of scenario but it has historically been so! If you've been hunting a while yourself (and I know you have) I'm sure you are well aware of many of these cases yourself! Example... Take Brian completely out of the picture and say the 2 hunting partners killed that buck! Extreme1 claims the deer was shot twice, he says he hit it on the first shot but doesn't say where the other hit came from, so who's buck is it? I'm sure they'd work it out but the guy that didn't get to claim it would still have an inside resentment! Things don't always work out as perfectly in the outdoors as you seem to think they should!
Am I suppose to support the insults from the Hillbilly Morons on this site that make statements such as "Somebody should kick his butt"? These kids need to have Momma turn on Sesame street and watch it until they grow up! There needs to be an age and IQ minimum before posting! I've read the posts critisizing Brians poor shot ( in the ass) at over 400 yds yet nobody has mentioned the 7 bullet holes the 2 other hunters blew in the sky at half the distance! (those guys would have loved to have the ass shot)
And OK.... If we all agree Brian took the shot from too close to the other hunters then have at it, but the bottom line is it wouldn't have mattered one bit where he shot from the other hunters had NO chance of taking that buck... they admit 1 gun jammed, the other empty! For them the buck was gone, lost never to be seen again! (unless of course some of you may think he would have been back in the morning)
Oh, and 1 other post suggesting Brian is on his way to becoming somekind of poacher ( the name Deerking, I don't know who Deerking is) I'd challenge any of you to find a person who has hunted with Brian to make any such statement! ( he's the guy who picks up you guys leftover beer cans)
So finally, I guess all the critics believe because Brian is a good ( no,excellent deer hunter) and he has been very successful (after all he is always out there, if not hunting scouting) he should NEVER be allowed to make a mistake or a bad judgment! YES... I stand behind my son! I know him and I respect him! As for the critics on this site! It's easy to tell many are full of B.S. and some are even liars!
Like ELKSLAYER54 says... I'm sure none of these critics have ever made a misstake! BUCKSPY... you team up with the pissed off critics and I'll enjoy the companionship of my son and we'll both be happy!

HOW'S THAT? BUD

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Sep-21-08, 
11:01 AM (MST)
163. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Bud-I hope there aren't any hard feelings because I didn't intend to insult you. I made some points and so did you. I won't belabor any of the previous points to avoid redundancy. I hunt with close friends and we have great times and memories and we don't go around "pissed." No one I hunt with posts on this site. Like I said before: the best thing that could come out of this is we all learn a little along the way.

I wish you good hunting.

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Sep-20-08, 
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152. "Big Joke..?!"

There are many things about this hunt that would leave a bad taste in my mouth. It IS sad if hunting has come to this. When I have taken an animal I could account for my shot(s) and their placement. Surely it wouldn't take a forensic doctor to determine who shot where, and thus the first lethal shot? If the first guys thought they hit it, they had a duty to follow up. I won't judge if it was too close to be shooting to others, but I wouldn't do it and would be POed if someone did it to me.

Two comments are particularly troubling to me; "I Got A Big Buck!!!!" and "it was a joke regardless who killed the deer." 1) I would want nothing to do with this buck even if I did end up with it after it was all said and done and certainly wouldn't spread the joy to the world in any way.
2) It is a damn shame to think killing a magnificent buck such as that is a joke. No one, especially an ethical hunter would ever feel that way. If they do, they are not worthy of taking the animal.

We must not EVER lose respect for our sport and it's traditions and especially for the animal which we persue.

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Wiszard
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Sep-20-08, 
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153. "RE: Big Joke..?!"

I have to disagree with the 99% of hunters would have done the same thing. Most of the hunters I know would not have done that while only a few would have. I would never actually hunt with the few that would have done this.

I'm sure after so much trashing, this post is probably winding down. By what has been said, no one will ever be "right". This discussion has opened some peoples eyes, along with Founders. I'm sure the last couple of days has been hard for him having to read how we feel about what he did. Maybe he's got some guilt about it....maybe not. That's for him to work through.

Steve

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Sep-20-08, 
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154. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Brain,
Great Buck Nice Job.If you had only shot a spike no one would have said anything about it.Thats how it works Some people happen to cross a big buck and they think they should have it on the wall. Some people put in lots of time and money scouting. And someone eles gets to put it on their wall. But thats just how it works.If someone thought that they might have hit the buck they should have walked to the dead buck and questioned it then, not later. Thats bull.
It does not matter if you where Right or wrong in how you did it. I think the others where just as wrong. Maybe they should have shot the gun before they shot at the buck. They would have know where the gun was hitting 7 shots wow. Lets all go hunting and get over all the drama.Its not the last big animal on the mountain.You cant change the past but you can make a better future.Happy hunting and good luck to all hunting this season.

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Sep-21-08, 
00:26 AM (MST)
155. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

To Brian and all those directly involved: I'm sorry for all of you that it went down the way it did. I've had a similar situation and it puts a twist in your gut.

However, when I look at the pictures of the buck, I don't know in my heart I wouldn't have shot just like you did Brian. I'd like to think I wouldn't, but he's an awfully good buck to let run off. Lord willin' there will be better hunts ahead for all.

Mount that buck Brian and display him proudly, he deserves it. It wasn't his fault it went this way. Better he died this way than face down starving in a snowdrift surrounded by coyotes (or wolves.)

The Christian

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00:56 AM (MST)
156. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

Count me as one hunter who would NEVER sit down 15 feet from another hunting party and start shooting at the same deer. That's absolutely despicable behavior. I realize that public lands can sometimes be crowded, but shooting over someone's shoulder like that is ridiculous. Founder's initial post strikes me as an obvious effort to rationalize behavior that he knows was wrong, and now feels bad about.

The other issues raised by Founder's post (for example, questions about how do you determine who tags a buck when there are legitimate questions about who hit hit the deer first, or who made the lethal shot) are questions that are reasonably open to debate, and the right answer may not always be the same depending on the situation and circumstances.

But the threshold question of whether it's proper to sit down 15 feet from another hunting party and shoot a deer they are already shooting at, is not reasonably debatable. It doesn't matter whether they were missing. It doesn't matter if the animal might get away. You just don't do that.

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Longun
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Sep-21-08, 
06:52 AM (MST)
160. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

The Anti's and the Greenies are having a blast reading this thread......

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Sep-21-08, 
08:14 AM (MST)
161. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

I think it's ridiculous to sit down anywhere near someone else and start shooting.
If I am hunting somewhere and even see that someone else has already spotted a buck, I wait for them to make their move. If they back off then I may step in and go after the buck, but certainly not sitting down next to them and taking a shot.

For someone who has already killed several huge bucks to put the buck in front of basic sportsmanship like this, just goes to show what view he has of mule deer. They are far more important to him than doing the right thing on the mountain. This shows a complete lack of ethics, and is exactly what we shouldn't be teaching the kids.

I hope anybody reading this will realize, 1 buck isn't that important! Walk away and look for a different buck!!!!!!!!!

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Founder
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Sep-21-08, 
12:43 PM (MST)
165. "RE: I Got A Big Buck!!!!"

OK, I've let people rip into me on my own website. I can take it. In the end, we learned that some claim they also would have shot the buck as I did, more claim they would have let it go. I respect some of the opinions shared, whether they agreed with what I did or not. There is no doubt in my mind that there are people in this world that are closer to perfect than I. In the end, I regret a few things that happened in those few moments. Regard me as you wish.

I'm locking the thread now because I think about every opinion possible has been shared and I've got work to do and more big bucks to chase.

Sorry if someone didn't get their chance to take a stab at me, but I'm sure your thoughts were posted by someone else.

Brian Latturner
MonsterMuleys.com

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