Central Region RAC- need your input

nebo12000

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For anyone and everyone that hunts or has an interest in the deer or elk hunting in the Central Region-- I would very much appreciate any of your comments and observations in regards to the deer and elk herd conditions in the areas that you are familiar with. The November RAC meeting will be making some decisions about adopting the Mule Deer Committee recommendations. Part of the recommendation will be to require the DWR to limit the number of hunting days or limit tags in specific management units that are not maintaining at least 15 bucks/100 does post season counts. The thinking is to limit only specific management units rather than the entire region as has been usually done. Let me know your views.
Thanks Richard Hansen / Central Region RAC board member
 
Where can we see the Mule Deer Committee recommendations so that we can make an informed decision on them?
 
I would applaud limiting smaller areas instead of the whole unit and would love to see that happen in practice statewide. Thanks
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-15-08 AT 08:55AM (MST)[p]>Where can we see the Mule
>Deer Committee recommendations so that
>we can make an informed
>decision on them?
The info has not yet been published. As soon as I get the paperwork I will let you know where to access it.Thanks for your interest.
 
I would say no major changes at this time, to the hunting plan that is.

Let the focus be more on habitat improvement and less on miro-managing the hunters.....I'm sick and tired of hearing about how we need to reduce tags and/or restrict hunters more, that isn't the solution to the deer issue in Utah.
 
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NEBO I will demand that the statewide archery hunt remain untill I am shown a Bioligical reason for ending this hunt.
Since SFW is behind the push to do away with this OPPORTUNITY I will ask that any person on the RAC affiliated with SFW refrain from voting or debate on this matter.

Be prepared because this is not going to be pretty.
 
i would like to see the state split up into smaller units and tags allocated according to herd size. some areas do not need to see the pressure they do. this would make it so your 2nd 3rd and 4th choices would matter. granted this would force hunters to be more diversified. iwould also like to see some areas managed under a 3 pt or better law. it is my belief that micromanaging is the only way to help our herds without limiting tag numbers overall,and 3 pt or better would show bigger bucks within 1-2 years for the hunters that are tired of seeing yearlings. the biggest problem that needs to be addressed is the point creep situation this is going to make hunter recruitment tough. any tag should take your points and under micro managing this could be achieved some areas will be better than others. some will be for opporutinity, some 3 pt or better and some for trophy PICK YOUR POISON!
 
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>LAST EDITED ON Oct-15-08
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> NEBO I will
>demand that the statewide archery
>hunt remain untill I am
>shown a Bioligical reason for
>ending this hunt.
>Since SFW is behind the push
>to do away with this
>OPPORTUNITY I will ask that
>any person on the RAC
>affiliated with SFW refrain from
>voting or debate on this
>matter.
>
> Be prepared because this
>is not going to be
>pretty.

What he said.
 
Just wondering. All those that are in favor of leaving the state wide archery as is, why would it matter if it went away dont most hunters stay in the same place through out the archery hunt or do they hunt different regions through out the hunt.
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-15-08 AT 10:01PM (MST)[p] HUNTIN I can only speak for myself but I hunt deer and elk in different area's. Where the seasons run at the same time for bowhunters some need the ability to hunt different area's and
if the opportunity is presented have the ability to take either a deer or elk.

This proposal is based on no facts, no biological data and is purely political and self serving to a very small minority in every way.

Like I said this is going to get ugly and we will soon know if the "process and organizatiions" work as they are supposed to by representing wildlife first and the majority of hunters / members second or if vocal, well connected minorities with agenda's are really the ones pulling the strings.
 
A lot of those that favor the state wide archery hunt, are dedicated hunters and people who live along the wasatch front. For example, we hunted the Southeast unit with our bows, and then moved down to the southern unit with mz and rifles. Those who live along the wasatch front can hunt down south on the weekends and then hunt closer to home during the work week.

Personally, I think that it would be beneficial to ask people to pick an area. I know a lot of guys that would hunt down south one weekend and that would be it. Less pressure, more deer.

I just want to be friends.
 
Example - if you hunt out in the Strawberry valley you are within a couple of miles of a border. It is also not just about doing away with the statewide archery. This goes way beyond that. This is totally a political decision because of some peoples perception of overcrowding. If we, as hunters, allow the RAC's to make decisions regarding our wildlife based on emotion and not biological need then we are failing in our stewardship over our natural resources. Every decision regarding our wildlife should be based on studies and facts not somebodies feelings of entitlement. I hate to break the news to the Southern boys, but overcrowding is statewide. It's generally not due to hunters either. We are lucky enough to live in a state where all can enjoy the outdoors. Southern Utah is a meca of outdoor activities. More so than Central and Northern Utah. It all spells a lot of people in the hills at the same time. What they (Southern Hunters) don't understand is that if this does pass, there will be quite a few southern archery hunters that won't be able to hunt in their own backyard. I guess that will be ok with them? There is definately a lot to lose for everybody here if this passes.


It's always an adventure!!!
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I would like to make a proposal, in regards to the Vernon unit. Altough there are some great bucks there, they are mostly just four year old bucks, in my mind there is to many tags on the unit to let them reach 5-7 yrs. I do not find it right that those of us that live in the northern half of the state have to drive to the southern end of the state to be on a well managed area. The Vernon would be a prime unit in my mind for a premium unit. There is very few elk, more good habitat than most people give it credit. And as far as making a new prem. unit, there is a great start as far as deer numbers, and like I stated before few elk. Altough with all I have said about the unit, I would'nt mind if one of the other units up north was managed better. I just think the Vernon would be a prime location. After they opened it a few years ago it was incredible, almost comparable to the famed henrys, But to many tags has brought the unit down. I will not be able to make the RAC meeting so I thought I would give my two cents. I just have a hard time understanding that there is so much potential in the northern half of the state, and we still have to drive way south to expereince a place like that. I know if managed it would not be a Henerys, it would be incredible. I think alot of people are discouraged with the deer quality in Utah, and feel this would be a baby step towards better things.
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-16-08 AT 11:11AM (MST)[p]I have not heard that eliminating the archery hunt statewide is part of the proposal but it may come up. I do not see any real reason to change it. Also, concerning why there are no premium deer units in the northern half of the state--- Revenue is tied to license sales - the bulk of the population is along the Wasatch Front and there are many hunters who buy a tag because they can just drive up a nearby canyon to hunt for the morning. I believe that most of the areas within 100 miles or less of SLC are managed for the more casual hunter that just wants to go for a morning hunt or for the weekend. There are areas that certainly, if managed differently could and would produce prolific numbers of mature bucks. I believe that under the current management model, that the only way some of the areas within the Central region will ever produce the number of deer and bucks they could, without severely restricting hunting opportunity, is to restict hunting within the Deer Management Units that already exist inside the Region. There are management units within the Central Region that not only are under the buck/doe ratio objective ( one has been as low as 8/100 2 years ago), but they are and have been for 10 or more years severely under the DWRs published population objective.The only way I see to get these management units up to management objectives without severely restricting hunting opportunity for all hunters that hunt the Central Region is to use "micro-management" techniques. I know that this will create for work for DWR CO's in regards to enforcement but I believe this is the best solution to the current situation.
Thanks for everyones input.
 
The DWR is going to propose archers be restricted to ONE region until September 1st. Tag numbers will not be limited to a region, but archers can't move amongst the regions. The 'purpose' of this latest APPEASEMENT offer is to have an idea how many archers hunt each region. If that is the case, lets restrict rifle hunters to a unit within a region so we know how many hunters actually hunt each sub-unit. This is WORSE than the proposal pushed by SFW to make archers pick a region for the first 9 days. This new 'plan' will make archers pick a region for the first 17 days. No way no how!!!

PRO

Define, develop, and sustain BOTH trophy and opportunity hunts throughout the state of Utah.
 
>Do we really want to make
>every Management Unit a Limited
>Entry unit? Hopefully this is
>not what happens,

HELL NO!!!

PRO

Define, develop, and sustain BOTH trophy and opportunity hunts throughout the state of Utah.
 
How about the DWR doing a mandatory survey giving days hunted afield and regions hunted. Much easier to ask a question than to restrict a hunt with no biological basis whatsoever. I would support that and even do the calling if they truly want to "know what region" bowhunter's hunt, all they have to do is ask. This year proves to be the most whacked out proposals yet.

Spike hunts on the premier elk hunts?, management deer hunts?, eliminating the statewide just to appease a bunch of whiners? I can not believe the DWR is serious about these proposals.

I do like the tag turn in rule and the elimination of the management elk hunts.

I just sent e-mails to all the RAC memebers and WB memebers. Hopefully you all will also. Several came back as full and others were bad e-mails. Very worth the 15 minutes it took!

Chad
 
I am in favor of all rifle hunts being a (Micro managed) limited entry hunt and allow the primitive weapons to be able to pick a region.

Kids under 18 should be excluded from the limited entry, and all others be a draw.

I would much rather have a great chance every other year or every third year on a rifle hunt, and still have the opportunity to hunt primitive weapons regularly.

My dream - Jred
 
Kids should not IMO be excluded from any hunt. As a matter of fact, I think they should get preference on all hunts at least up to a percentage of permits. The youth are our future.
 
The state wide archery is a small SMOKE SCREAN you guys are falling for what SFW and the DWR are proposing for the elk bonus points, henneries management tags is a lot worse than pick a reign and I hate the pick your region also.

SMOKE SCREAN!!!!!!!!!!!

I have a dream and one day I would like to hunt a big buck or bull on a le unit these I have built the pie. These management tags and spike tags are plain BS.

This dream is further getting screwed by the mandatory point banking revenue building plan that is just going into the general Utah fund to build roads or some other non hunting issue.

Pick your reign is so far down on the list of things they are proposing to worry about. Pick your reign would probably actually help our deer out. Any way to eliminate mass people going into a given area and taking out the deer because their area sucks should be eliminated. I know bow hunters aren't the ones doing the damage but we as hunters probably should be part of the solution.


I say we need to seriously need to fight them all.


By the way I am calling out Ryan Foust or Don Pea

Where do you stand on these proposed issues? Where does SFW stand on the new division plan? I would like to know!


Archery is a year round commitment!!
 
Scott,

I agree the spike elk hunt and Henry's management tags are an outrage. I am against both of them for sure. I am also against the statewide going away. There is no Biological evidence to support it. There are MORE dedicated hunters in the southern region than archers. Completely a non issue.

I like the loss of a point if you turn in your tag. That is a good proposal. I do NOT like the ability to apply for points for all species either. That helps No one and really hurts those who have been applying for many years.

Let your voice be heard! We all need to!
 

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