Applying for all species?

blazingsaddle · Oct 17, 2008

If we were allowed to apply for points for all species in the same year, would our odds drastically decrease, even lower than they are now? Am I looking at this the wrong way?

I believe that the current point system is broke- at the current rate, people with 0-1 point may never draw. (certain animals) So how will allowing more people into the system help? Sure the division gets a lot more money but whats the point of gloging it up more? Do they actually care if I get to hunt the animals I apply for? Or do they just want my revenue from the thought of me hunting the animal?

How is it that we can hunt a deer every year (almost) and still obtain deer points? Or go hunt elk every year and still obtain an elk point? To me we have our cake and can eat it too, but that cake is now rock hard and is going to hurt like hell when it passes!

If one should choose to hunt an animal in a year, he/she should forfit the ability to gain a point for that animal. This IMO will do a few things-
1- relieve some pressure in the points pool, allowing better odds.
2- Also take some pressure off the general season hunts, fewer hunters? Maybe a few more larger bucks in the general season units?

What do you think, am I looking at this wrong? I would not be in favor of being able to apply for all species. Utah does not issue enough tags to go around.

Prism · Oct 17, 2008

Even if we can't "apply" I still like the idea of purchasing points.

I'm sure the DWR likes it too. $$$CHACHING$$$

proutdoors · Oct 17, 2008

How does the DWR "profit" from it? The application fee goes to Fallon Nevada, NOT to the DWR.

And YES, it WILL make your odds WORSE.

PRO

Define, develop, and sustain BOTH trophy and opportunity hunts throughout the state of Utah.

blazingsaddle · Oct 17, 2008

LAST EDITED ON Oct-17-08 AT 01:02PM (MST)[p]Don't get me wrong I'll whore it up in the applying as well.
If the dwr does not get the application money- there is one more reason not to do it? Who would benifit?
There is a big difference in thinking you have a chance and actually having one.
I realize this should be in the general hunting section-sorry.

BOW1231 · Oct 17, 2008

you said whore!!!!

Prism · Oct 17, 2008

LAST EDITED ON Oct-17-08 AT 01:15PM (MST)[p]Pro,

If the DWR doesn't make ANY money from the purchasing of points then they're really messed up.

Don't you have to buy a license to apply now? They're getting smarter all of the time...

Shoot, don't nonresidents get fishing licenses too. Doesn't that make the DWR eligible for more federal dollars...

proutdoors · Oct 17, 2008

Correct, the DWR gets money matched by the feds for hunting license sales. But, buying a bonus point for deer while you are applying for elk won't bring in a dime to the DWR. The applicant would be buying the license for the elk application already.

PRO

Define, develop, and sustain BOTH trophy and opportunity hunts throughout the state of Utah.

1911 · Oct 17, 2008

I would be very suprised if the company in Fallon retained the entire fee and the DWR recieved nothing. If that is the case, I am in the wrong line of work.

littlejoe · Oct 17, 2008

How will my odds be worse if I can only purchase a point for the other species rather than actually apply? I don't see how it will effect your odds until the person draws and switches species and has points for that species. Right now I am applying for elk, but would be glad to purchase deer and antelope points. I am not actually in those draws, just donating more money to the cause by purchasing points, whether all the money stays in Fallon I do not know.

proutdoors · Oct 17, 2008

littlejoe, everyone who is APPLYING for a deer tag will be affected once you jump over into that pool as you will then have several points you wouldn't have under the current system in place. Be mindful, I am not saying I am against it, just pointing out that it WILL affect draw odds in the LE pools.

By law Utah can not receive even a penny of the application fee.

PRO

Define, develop, and sustain BOTH trophy and opportunity hunts throughout the state of Utah.

HuntinFoo · Oct 17, 2008

Their is no way that the full amount of the application fee is going to the Nevada company, especially since they (dwr) just doubled it in the last year. I bet the dwr gets at least half of the $10 application fee. Personally I think we should be allowed to apply for all species every year. Look at colorado and wyoming they allow you to apply, but require you pay the full amount of the license when you do. When not successful they send back every thing but the application fee. Just think how many half hearted hunters this would weed out, your odds would go up considerably. For the guy who wants to hunt he will come up with the money. I am by no means rich but I would be applying for all but one of the OIL species every year, along with deer, elk and antelope. It is also a money maker for the dwr, for the 3 months they put our money in the bank they will earn interest that amounts to way more than they lost on the application fees of those who didnt come up with the money to put in.

backinthegame · Oct 17, 2008

Sweet...let's let everyone buy points for every species every year!!!

That way guys who really want that buck or bull tag, enough to put in exclusively and dillegently will have even less chance because every Jim Bob and their dog decided to buy points even if they don't care to draw a tag. You know..."just in case."

That's a great way to fix the system...

JakeH · Oct 17, 2008

LAST EDITED ON Oct-17-08 AT 05:37PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Oct-17-08 AT 05:33 PM (MST)

I belive that Utah accually has one of the best LE systems in the west.
You dont have everybody puting in for all species cloging up the system, half the tags goes to the people that have put in the time, and everybody from 0-15 points has an oppertunity to draw a tag.

WHO ever said it was a right to get a LE tag, since when in america is everything given to people, like it or not you have the same chance as everyone else to get a tag for the animal you want to hunt, in my eyes it is the fairest system.
I have a friend that drew a bookcliffs deer tag in 2001 or 2002, then he started puting in for elk, in 2007 he drew a bookcliffs archery elk tag, he put in for deer again this year and guess what he drew a BC rifle deer tag with 0 points.
Its all in the luck of the draw, some people are going to be Lucker than others.
Also this year my uncle finally drew his BC elk tag that he had been puting in 13 years for, my other uncle with 5 points put in with his daughter who had 0 points giveing them 2 points and guess what they drew too.

To me it is Fair, every one has a chance at a tag...

The only thing I might change is the waiting period for deer and speed goats, back to 5 years from 2.

Also, I think we should keep the genral hunts and the LE hunts seperat and you should be able to apply for both systems.

Jake H. MM Member since 1999.