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He guys me and a buddy have 2 points for Wyoming and we are non residents.

Two years ago we hunted region D near the Colorado border. Seen lots of bucks but nothing of any size. We hunted for 10 days.

Anyone know of an area that we have a good chance to draw and we don't mind putting in some long hiking miles. A lot of guys tell us the Greys River area but they said there is a lot of hunters and outfitters and it's best if you have horses.

Any help would be appreciated.

THANKS!
 
HUNTING THE GREYS WITHOUT HORSES IS TUFF AT BEST, BUT THE SEASON LENGTH HAS BEEN CUT WAY BACK/ SAME GOES FOR TAG NUMBERS. I WAS THERE IN 08 ON THE DEER OPENER, BUT I WAS HUNTING MOOSE....NEVER SAW A GOOD BUCK.....& THE WOLVES WRECKED WHAT WAS GREAT MOOSE HUNTING.......YD.
 
I believe the Grey's suffered a lot more than was predicted. I personally put in 8 days, and the group I hunted with at least 25-30 days between us, and no-one saw a shooter buck. Saw lots of deer, lot's of little bucks. I know this year I will burn my elk pts over there and just buy a deer point. Might be worth checking into some of the limited entry units they offer?
 
If you're going to be backpacking in the Greys, don't try to outdistance the horses. Find areas that are steep and rugged. Hunt the areas that the horses pass by. I've hunted it a couple of times and have had great hunts. Hopefully we draw this year. If we draw, we will probably skip the opener and hunt the second week. The weather can also vary greatly. Be prepared for anything. Good luck!

Don P.
 
The Greys is steep country and should not be taken lightly. You can get in trouble with your horses even if experienced. I work for the hospital and every year we get people with serious injuries from horse accidents in that country. Two years ago on the opening morning it snowed and a nonresident with alot of experience hunting the Greys with horses died before his buddies could get help due to injuries when his horse fell with him.
 
There are always a lot of hunters. BUT, because the country is rugged and tough, a few bucks do grow up a little. I think the key up there is....scout, find a big buck, and hunt there as long and hard as you can.

Bucks are able to grow a little older up there simply because most of the hunters just can't last. Hunters pound everything hard on opening day and are beat up physically, and mentally discouraged by day two or three when the bucks wise up a bit.

Many of the outfitters ride in from the road in the bottoms, which means hunters and guides have to get up REALLY early and get to bed REALLY late. End result, by day 2-3 of the hunters hunt, they're still riding when they should be glassing, and them older bucks won't give you much time before they bed up and hold tight all day. Even if you go on a guided hunt, you have to BE WHERE YOU NEED TO BE, before daylight.

DIY guys are rare in the backcountry after the first few days. Everyone gets excited for OPENING DAY of the Deer Hunt....but the excitement wears off quick for most.

The opener is always crazy, and there will be people everywhere. But, if you have scouted and have a buck located, you'll want to be there on opening day.

I recommend having horses, but be REALLY careful. They kick hard, believe me!! AND, that country is steep and the mud is slick. If you can handle them, they can haul the gear to allow you to stay longer and more comfortably....which IMO increases your luck.

Backpack trips can work great, but it is tough to pack all the gear needed to be comfortable and enjoy it. If you plan on that, start getting in shape now! If you can do it, it is awesome!! Some of my favorite trips in that country have been with a backpack on my back. Incredible country to be in!!!!!

OK, enough blabbing for me. I just got lost in a backcountry Wyoming dream. Time to get back to work.
Wish I were climbing the mountain now....

Brian Latturner
MonsterMuleys.com
 
I'm not sure what your expectations are. But I won't personally go back to the Grey's until Wyoming G & F makes some changes. It is magnificent country and some of the best mule deer habitat in the world. But there are WAY TOO MANY hunters for me to have a fun hunt. I started going there in the early 80's and went every year for almost 20 years. Covered some super country and had lots of fun and good memories. But I'd rather bow hunt somewhere else and miss the crazy corwds. And there are just not deer numbers or quality like there could be or there used to be. I'd look somewhere else. Note Founder's controversial deer story from this year. People are literally sitting everywhere you'd like to be and there's stiff competition for the deer and hunting locations.

Hunting is supposed to be fun and relaxing and that country does not meet either standard for me now.
 
ICM deer speaks the truth. My experiences that also date back reflect the same conclusion. It's still walking on a great history and sadly no longer lives up to its reputation. If your the kind of person that does your Christmas shopping the day after Thanksgiving with the rest of the sheep, it will be right up your alley. If not, there are better and more lonely mountains out there for a solid deer. It's all about what you want most from a hunt. As odd as it is to me, I think some guys actually like rubbing shoulders and seeing other guys.
 
I hunted the Greys numerous years ago and saw the same thing. I said to myself then, "self, if we do this again we're going later in the season".
 
That is a good point. For me, it's more worth it to go late in the season and just enjoy the country and lack of people than it is to fight everyone on the opener. Yes, the deer are somewhat hunkered down but, it offers a little more solitude. Just depends on the experience you are seeking.
 
I would definitely agree that it really just depends on what you expect. There certainly aren't a lot of "giant" bucks, or atleast what I call a "giant", up there. If that is what you expect, maybe another unit is better....????
I don't know what you unit though....

I'm probably not as picky though as some of the other guys who are replying here. The luck I have had in Wyoming has made me happy. Of course, more big bucks and fewer people would be great, but I could say that about every place I have ever hunted.

The fact of the matter is, few places are like they use to be. Highly limited tags are about the only way to have fewer hunters these days and have great quality. BUT, highly limited areas come with a price.....you don't get to hunt them very often.

I sure wish I could have hunted western Wyoming in the 80's, and 90's for that matter!!! I can only imagine.

Brian Latturner
MonsterMuleys.com
 
Agree with what founder said 100%

Most of the horse guys end up in the same places and after the opener it is hard to find a deer up high where they are, of coarse a few get lucky and get one amid all the pressure.

I backpacked this country for deer in 03,05 and 07 and there are great deer to be found but the distances required to get to them and size of the country really limits how many you can go after. You have to commit to one area and one group of bucks per trip if you are backpacking-the country simply wears you down. You also have the best chance at scouted buck the first day as they learn real quick. I would hunt the opener then come back the last week, mid week is also better than weekends. There are a lot of places the horse hunters can't effectively hunt.

There are still some great bucks up there to be found but it depends what you consider a good buck, I'm happy with 170 class or better.
 
hunted there with horses a few years back. hunted hard every day. was very disappointed wont go back till something is done to many hunters. never saw a shooter.hunted away from other people. just never connected.saw does no decent bucks.
 
If you can find a resident to hunt with you it will open up alot more places that you can go with less hunters and posible with that more deer.


"I have found if you go the extra mile it's Never crowded".
 
You know that finding a resident stuff is a crook of S%&T in my opinion! I hate how the state of Wyoming can say where you can and cant hunt on PUBLIC LAND!!!! You can go horseback riding, hiking, biking, tree hug'n any but hunting in the wilderness areas of Wyoming without an outfitter!!! I for one think that is a load of bull. I do hunt Wyoming, and I would love the chance to someday be able to hunt region H without the assistance of a guide, oh well guess we will keep hunting the Greys with the rest of UTAH!!
 
there arent even any big bucks that migrate out of region g anymore. That place has been raped, exploited, and most of all poorly managed. I live in wyoming and i would be damned if i go into the greys. Try going up around sheridan in the big horns or just save your points and hope that one day the game and fish will pull thier heads out of there butts and do something about the deer ( dont see that happening).

I think that game biologist and game wardens should be an elected position. Make these guys run for thier positions. make them make promises of improvement and hold them to it.

The only reason there are good deer in region h is because they dont let the whole state of utah hunt it without a guide i believe region g and the whole state for that matter should be like that. Its the only thing protecting it from getting exploited. Im sure u guys for the most part will disagree. o well
 
I HAVE SAT BACK AND READ THESE FORMS FOR SOME TIME AND NEVER REALLY HAD THE DISIRE TO SAY MUCH.... BUT THIS ONE HAS HIT A NERVE WITH ME. YOU GUYS TALK ABOUT HOW REGION G IS OVER HUNTED, EXPLOITED, RAPED.........WELL A LOT OF YOU COULD BE THE ONES WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR MOST OF IT. SOME OF YOU COME HERE WITH HOPES OF KILLING POPEYE OR GOLIATH AND AFTER A COUPLE OF DAYS OR MAYBE EVEN A WEEK OF BLISTERS AND 1000 FOOT VERTICAL CLIMBS. YOU SMOKE A 160...THAT BUCK IS ONLY 2 1/2 YEARS OLD. BIG BAD A$$ HUNTER THERE. I HAVE SEEN TRUCKS AND CAMPS LOADED WITH 2 1/2 YEAR OLD BUCKS... JUST BECAUSE YOU SO CALLED TROPHY HUNTERS DREW THE TAG DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO KILL SOMETHING. AND ALL YOU DO IS BLAME THE WYOMING RESIDENTS. WELL YOUR DEAD WRONG... TAKE A LITTLE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR SELVES! MOST OF THE WYOMING RESIDENTS ARE NOT SHOOTING THE BUCKS WITH THE MILK ON THERE LIPS.... I SPEND EVERYDAY OF THE SEASON ON THE MOUNTAIN CHASING BUCKS AND THE HUNTERS I SEE FARE MORE OFTEN ARE NON RESIDENTS.....SO TAKE A LITTLE BLAME FOR YOUR SELFS. THEN IF YOU CAN'T KILL ONE DURING THE SEASON SOME YOU COME TO OUR WINTER GROUNDS AND CHASE THESE BIG DEER AROUND TIL THERE HORNS FALL OFF........ SO YOU CAN HAVE ONE OF THESE GIANTS TO TAKE HOME.... ALL YOU HAVE DONE THERE IS KILL THE BUCK ANYWAYS... I SPEND TIME ON THE WINTER RANGE..THAT IS UNTIL THE WINTER GET'S GOING FULL. THEN I LEAVE THE DEER TO SURVIVE. BUT YOU CAN BE ASURED THAT IF THERE IS A BIG DEER LEFT ON THE WITER RANGE A WEEK BEFORE HE DROPS THERE IS A TRUCK WITH NONRESIDENT TAGS HARASSING THIS DEER EVERY DAY.... DO YOU SHED HUNTERS REALIZE YOUR JUST KILLING THE DEER ANYHOW......

I LOVE HEARING THAT G IS DONE..... MAYBE IT WILL TAKE A LITTLE DUE PRESSURE OFF.. IF WERE UP TO ME. (WHICH IT'S NOT) I WOULD CUT THE NUMBER OF RESIDENT AND NON RESIDENT HUNTERS IN HALF OR MORE..... AND CLOSE THE WINTER GROUNDS TO ALL SHED HUNTING UNTIL MAY. I WOULD BE WILLING TO BET WE WOULD HAVE AFEW MORE 200 INCH PLUS BUCKS TO LOOK AT...

I'M SORRY IF I OFFENDED SOME TRUE TROPHY HUNTER SPORTSMAN BY THIS STATEMENT BUT I SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING FIRSTHAND....

ROBB WILEY
NON-TYPICAL OUTFITTERS
 
All of the winter range in lincoln county is closed to shed hunting until may 1st. As far as big bucks in region G go, they are still there. Just look at the pics on Robb's website proof is in the pudding. I think that the cure for the crowding and over hunting in region G would be to have an archery muzzleloader and rifle season. Just like every other state does that would even out the pressure a little more. Same number of tags just get people in the field at different times. As far as killing small bucks goes if you paid for the tag kill what you want.
 
One of the biggest problems with Region G and H is the outfitters. They need to set a cap on the # of outfitters in an area. Every guy and his dog is an outfitter in that country. They are just going to whore out region G and H till there is nothing left. They are targeting nothing but mature bucks so obviously that age class is lacking as we all know.

There are plenty of residents that shoot 2pt's 3pts etc. What does it matter? It is their tag and they can do what they want. It is not up to each individual to take their tag and try to benefit it for the trophy hunters. There is nothing wrong with shooting a 2 1/2 year old buck. Maybe its a trophy to them???

If you want to "fix" G start with limiting the outfitters, put a cap on resident tags for the area and start adjusting the season length etc according to the winter mortality.

The mentality of Wyoming Residents that think it should be their "Right" to hunt G and H every year needs to go too.

The number one predator of a mule deer buck regardless of its antler size is man. Its not the wolves, its not the coyotes, it ain't even Mike Brownlee. Its hunters. Limit ALL hunters, not just the non residents.

I honestly do not see how you can have a bad hunt in Region G or H. With such beautiful country even if you don't see a deer in a week the scenery alone is worth the trip.
 
I bet you would be shocked how few deer the outfitters in total actually kill. In 2007 we put that number together.......... It was less than 100 deer whith every outfitter combined. Just to be clear that means all outfitters in one pool killed less than 100 bucks together. In all of region G how many deer were killed by non outfitted hunts???? Outfitters kill about 5 to 8 percent. I don't think you can blame just the outfitters.

No matter who you want to blame it's changing!! And that part is sad. We are all passionate about our hunting, proof of us being on this site. What do you think it's going to take for all of us to do something to make it better. I'm willing to cut our tags in half or more. Do what Chester has said split up the pressure......what ever it is we better be willing to work together. Or look over at Idaho..... That is what is coming for mule deer hunting in the greatest place on earth for mountain deer.

Wyoming is one of the few places on earth that if people work together to get changes done it happens. I'M WILLING TO DO WHAT EVER AS LONG AS IT'S THE BEST THING FOR MULE DEER. ARE YOU?
 
WyoNontypical--I am totally agreeable with your last sentence....and in my next questions and statements I'm not trying to stir up a hornet's nest just want to get some true facts and figures. Do you have a link to the actual number of LICENSED DEER HUNTING Outfitters allowed in Region G? And how many DEER HUNTERS with tags for each individual Outfitter in 2008?
Chesterwyo---Do you have a link to the Shedhunting LAW in Lincoln County?

Personally I've been a resident in Wyoming for the last 12 years and each year it has gradually gotten a little worse and a little
worse for the Deer Hunting and the INCREASING HUNTING PRESSURE. This was my worst year a 24in 4x4 and I only passed up 2 other bucks.And I personally talked to 12 different in the WOODS. The first year here I passed on 25 BUCKS AND NEVER SAW ANOTHER SOUL.

I go to the G&F meetings and voice my opinions every year on certain issues especially the draw for deer tags for both Residents and Non-Residents.
I agree on the Shed Hunting Ban too. And my wife and I are both avid shed hunters. I feel the ban should be statewide PERIOD. BUT I'm not stopping unless everybody does. I DON'T SIT ON DEER waiting for them to drop but I see this problem getting worse and worse every year.
The only thing on our Wyoming Range Deer that everybody agrees on is there ISN'T A SHINY SILVER BULLET SOLUTION.
 
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>There are plenty of residents that
>shoot 2pt's 3pts etc.
>What does it matter?
>It is their tag and
>they can do what they
>want. It is not
>up to each individual to
>take their tag and try
>to benefit it for the
>trophy hunters. There is
>nothing wrong with shooting a
>2 1/2 year old buck.
> Maybe its a trophy
>to them???
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>If you want to "fix" G
>start with limiting the outfitters,

If you think it is OK to shoot 2 1/2 year old deer you are the problem not the outfitter who teaches people how to hold out work hard and harvest 5 plus year old deer.
 
Skipbuck,
What makes you believe to think that shooting a 2 1/2 year old buck is wrong? MMs.com? Trophy hunter?'

Believe it or not 99 percent of the hunters are not out there to shoot the biggest buck. Believe it or not there are actually people out there that just enjoy going hunting. There are more people than not out there to just get some meat for the freezer. They are not out there with the latest greatest camo etc. People that think we should only take mature bucks or bulls are living in a fantasy world. I'm sure your one of those guys that looks down on someone when they have a small buck. Or maybe its cuz they don't have the whole collection of mossbac dvds (autographed) either?? And I bet you wear camo year round, because your THAT COOL.

Robb,
I agree with your second post. Also thanks for not using CAPS this time ;). I will not disagree with the notion that the outfitters do not take many deer. A 100 doesn't sound like a lot of deer. Its the age class of those deer that is my concern. Taking out a 100 mature bucks in a herd that is already at historic lows does have an impact. Years ago when the deer numbers were high I do not think it was affecting it as much as it is now.

Breaking the seasons up would be nice. Putting region G and H on a draw for residents would actually benefit all residents. Tougher areas to draw like 102 etc would have better odds.

The sad part of the whole deal is its not going to get better anytime soon.
 
I hunted H this year I seen one outfitter come out with 2 bucks that his kids had killed that was in that 150 class. He had a big camp at the bottom of the creek.
I killed a buck and he wasn't a Huge buck but I'm happy with him be my 1st buck in a new area, and with us seeing a wolf in the same area and we Camped in 9 1/2 miles on horseback.
Me I hoping the guy we have been talking to decides he can take a ride with us next time we draw so we can go in as far as we want.

And screw that Backcountry welfare law.



"I have found if you go the extra mile it's Never crowded".
 
The deer herds from this area are possibly some of the most vulnerable anywhere right now.

1) The impact of the natural gas drilling activity on the winter range.

2) The potential for severe winters and very cold average winter temps.

3) Unlimited resident hunting pressure which has increased due to increased human population in the vicinity.

4) A non-resident hunting hunting pressure that is mature/big buck focused which puts pressure on older bucks but many younger bucks are taken on a secondary basis after the reality of the hunt sets in. When you look at the tag numbers objectively, the herd cannot sustain that kind of pressure and still maintain good age class representation above 4 year old bucks.

5) A state fish and game agency that doesn't recognize the special nature of the herd and manage according to the very reason people want to hunt there in the first place. The area has some of the best genetics in the West but isn't currently managed to account for the kind of intense trophy-focused hunting pressure it recieves. This is important because it is a different type of hunting pressure than the any-buck crowd. The whole state of Wyoming produces nice deer but only one area in the state has historically produced exceptional bucks on a consistant basis like G&H.

Beyond the fact that many would like to hunt there for the obvious reasons, there is intrinsic value in having big, old bucks haunting those peaks. Just knowing they are up there is often enough for me. To gaze up at those peaks and instead think of "how it was" and "how it could be" is disheartening to say the least.

If we all have time to sit here and beatch about the downfall of one of the greatest mule deer herds in the West, maybe we all might have the time to write a letter to Wyoming Game and Fish and voice our displease at status quo and our wishes to manage this area to its potential.

This is going to mean one thing. A drastic reduction in buck deer licenses and a limitation of resident hunting. There is absolutely and unequivocally NO ALTERNATIVE. Its great to want to hunt there and we all want to do it, but when what you want what doesn't exist in the area anymore, what's the point?
 
Longun, I don't have a link to the shed hunting law in Lincoln county just saw an article on it in the Star Valley Independent a few weeks back. The fines are pretty low only bout $100 the first time you get caught. Not a harsh enough penalty if you ask me. Gator, I don't really agree with the wilderness guide law, but as a resident it dosn't effect me. I do feel it's much better than the alternative of having outfitter alloted permits like a majority of the western states do at least you are on a level playing field when it comes to drawing permits to hunt in WY
 
Almost everyone agrees tag numbers need to be cut. I'd like to see an improvement in quality, but not to the point where it becomes such a hot spot every serious hunter across the country is trying to draw, and it takes 10+ years to draw. Maybe region G&H should not fall under the general tag for WY residents. Have an unlimited resident quota, but region specific for western WY. Then cut non-resident tags by 25-50%. This would allow residents to hunt every year, non-residents to hunt every 3 years, and allow the bucks to gain an extra year or so of age.
 
Younghunter said; "Believe it or not 99 percent of the hunters are not out there to shoot the biggest buck."

I say you are FOS! 99%?, WRONG!!! NOT EVEN CLOSE!!

...and i too am one of "those guys" who like to hunt for something big, at least as big a rack as i already have! There's LOTS of us Younghunter and i believe that that's what this website is about!!!

FREEZER-FREEZER-FREEZER, fill my freezer, looks good in the freezer, can't eat the horns, my freezer don't care how big the horns are,...

Don't try and say that MANY go hunting not only for the meat or to get out in the outdoors but to try, make every effort, to get the biggest knarley old buck they can...cause they do!

Joey
 
Younghunter said; "Believe it or not 99 percent of the hunters are not out there to shoot the biggest buck."

I say you are FOS! 99%?, WRONG!!! NOT EVEN CLOSE!!

+1 sage!
 
Sage Advice,
Calm down. 99 percent was used in reference to the point that the MAJORITY of hunters are not out there to chase trophy bucks EXCLUSIVELY. There isn't any statistics that would show the proper percentage of Trophy Hunters vs Non trophy Hunters. Sure they will shoot a big one if they see it, but they are just as happy just filling their tag.

To try to compare MM's.com to the whole hunting community doesn't make much sense. It would be like comparing all hunters to those from utah ;) ;) (zing # 3) ;)

BUCKSPY is dead on.
 
Younghunter, I agree something needs to be addressed in areas G & H. What i don't agree with is some guys blaming it on non-residents only wanting to kill the older class of buck, especially when it's "meathunters are doing it right" and it's us guys in camo who are to blame. Many Wyoming guys i've met are looking for the bigger bucks too!!

Your trying to impress your stance with %'s from nowhere "Believe it or not 99 percent of the hunters..." doesn't hold water and i don't believe it! You care to impress me with your knowledge, don't pull %'s out your butt and state them as facts! Wyoming is Wyoming after all, people hunt there for other reasons than to fill the freezer.

Joey
 
Joey,
I never said that people didn't hunt there for other reasons besides filling the freezer.

But to complain when someone fills their tag legally with a 2pt is BS. They didn't do anything wrong. Its THEIR tag and they can do what they want with it. If the game and fish allocate a set number of tags and everyone fills their tag than so be it. Obviously the game and fish decided that the are could sustain that many animals harvested.

And I am not blaming it on the non residents wanting to only kill large mature bucks.

Obivously you can't handle this thread so you can go back to drinking whatever you are drinking. You laugh cuz i said 99 percent of hunters when you make the comment "Wyoming is Wyoming". Damn. That was deep. You should be scholar.

Duh people hunt for other reasons to fill the freezer. AND guess what Joey? You can hunt for more than one reason too! Some people like to hunt for a trophy and shoot a smaller buck for the freezer!!! And yet you guys get mad because he filled his tag. SORRY not everyone is out there to kill nothing but HUGE bucks.

You can continue to try to take this thread off course. But sadly your opinion doesn't matter in this.

Lets leave it to people who not only hunt there, but enjoy being there. And for the people who do not even hunt, but still like to see the wildlife.

Good luck on drawing your antelope tag. You better only shoot a huge one!
 
You had your chance to say you're wrong. Your name suits you, youngpunk!

1) the first buck i killed in Wyoming was in 1977, were you even born yet.

2) I hunted "H" in 2005 and took a good buck. My partner could have took any number of other 4x4 decent bucks but after 3 weeks in the backcountry, took a scrub 4x3, management type deer instead of a "nice one"

3) i don't drink or use drugs!

4) you keep making up facts you can't support!

5) I'm simply stating my side of this thread, You're the one to start with the BS! Good Day!

Joey
 
BUCKSPY...You are my new HERO! You have put it in a nut shell. Let's not just talk here on the web let's do something about it. A good start would be a letter. I will do some research on whom that letter could be addressed too and WE should do just that. At least everyone that gives a ##### about our deer in western Wyoming.

Younghunter your argument of filling the freezer does not cut it when there are left over 91 type 1 cow elk tags every year. You would get a whole lot buck for your bang with a cow elk in the freezer..........
 
Sounds good Robb and when you do get the info, start a new thread. I will see what I can do from another angle to maybe bring some more public attention to the situation.

The only reason the pissin' match exists on here is becasue people are looking to place blame. I only thought that existed when dealing with an unreasonable woman. Time for action people.
 
Sageadvice,
Ok first you complain that there is something wrong with shooting young bucks and then you admit to shooting one? but its ok because to you it was what? Oh thats right, you said a "management" buck. Well all those little bucks those guys kill are "magagement" buck too. Just a different sort of management.

1977? That explains everything. Old man with old ideas. Times have changed old man. We need some new, fresh ideas. Sit back in your rocker and lend an ear...

onedryboot,
You still mad about the brownlee thread? Its ok. He robbed Region G of at LEAST two mature bucks. But its ok hes still your hero and you can bit your pillow thinking of him every night.
 
nope not mad, I couldnt care less about the guy your talking about. it just seems everything everyone else does or says is wrong, and everything you do and say is right!
I agreed with you on some points you made. like him being a poacher. but the other stuff you were talking about you must of been hot boxin in you pickup truck.
 
I agree with pretty much everything Buckspy and others with similar opinions have written. What we have done to this place is impressive to say the least. Our trophy hunter determination combined with technology has pretty much shot out the famous "Western Wyoming High Country" and the area can certainly no longer support a general season for residents if there is to be any sizable number of adult bucks around. Although the place is still the same amount of square miles it has gotten considerably ?smaller? as new ATV trails have became popular, as an 8-mile backpack trip became worth it for a chance at a big buck, as more and more people acquired spotting scopes capable of clear spotting at several miles distance, as more people acquired rifles capable of high percentage shots at 400+ yards, etc., etc., etc.

I fully understand that non-residents kill adult deer in these areas at a higher rate per permit than residents. The non-resident hunter who spends $400-600 for the permit and a minimum of that amount again to get there isn't doing that to bring home a 2 year old deer (although some end up doing that). However I believe non-resident hunters have been limited enough as permit numbers going to non-residents have been cut by more than half. It is time to limit residents?period.

The oil and gas boom in the area has reduced the wintering capacity of the area, both by actual destruction of sagebrush and other winter feed and also perhaps more destructive has been the increased accessibility caused by the incredible road network that has been built and is also maintained for winter travel. Get on google earth and check out the areas immediately to the west of LaBarge or immediately south of Pinedale (and these are just a few of the areas like this).

However, it is the numerous 20-something year old men that these jobs have brought to the area that has caused a direct increase in numbers of bucks and mature bucks being killed by residents. I am sure the ?old-timers? can't stand the thought of only being able to hunt these areas every 2nd or 3rd year but it simply has to be this way. Far too many new people (with an abnormally high percentage of these new people being deer hunters because of the type of work) have moved into this area to support a general deer hunt if people want the quality to be any better than it is now.

Not to get too long with this post but I really, really wish that the Bridger-Teton National Forest would wake up and close the ATV trails on the Salt River Range. These have been pipelines carrying hunters into some of the best deer country on Earth. I bet it was amazing the first couple of years that this became popular as you could ride your ATV 6 miles, hike 400 yards up a ridge and glass up 180 inch bucks pretty much every morning and night but now the ?tragedy of the commons? has taken place and there are very, very few mature left in these areas as they are getting hammered when they are 2-3 years old. Even if/when permits are limited I still believe nobody has any business riding an ATV over the top of the Salt River Range and down Corral Creek or to Telephone Pass or other similar areas.

I first hunted this area as a kid in 1998 and I have hunted it as recently as 2006 drawing 6 tags in this time period and going with friends/family almost every year I didn't draw. It is nothing like it was when I started. I don't think the quality will ever get back to where it was in 1999-2001 (and certainly not to late 80?s) without limiting permits to the point you could only hunt it once in 10+ years. We have simply gotten too good at killing the bucks in this country. However limited residents and limiting ATV access are two common sense things I hope are implemented very soon that would restore a portion of what is gone.

If Wyoming G&F is actually dedicated to their unlimited resident permit thing I would love to see them do something crazy like making the Grey?s a muzzleloader only area or something similar (scopeless rifles?)?could you imagine how sweet that would be!

Perhaps Buckspy said it best when he talked about how he just needs to know there are big bucks on those peaks and not just see them and think about what could be. I loved ascending the pass into Star Valley and catching my first glimpse of the peaks off to the East and each time knowing there were several great bucks on every one of them. I too hope I have those same thoughts again some day.

-RPinenut
 
First i'd like to apologize for taking away from a great topic and some of the very good comments that were going on in this thread before whatshisname young hunter started BS'ing everybody and spouting off things he apparently is passionate about but not careful enough to tell the truth or exaggeration.

Younghunter, I never said there was anything wrong with taking young bucks. I said you shouldn't tell lies, 99%, to try an impress whoever. I believe as many do that if you can't find a truly good buck, don't shoot the 2 1/2 year old 4x4 bucks with potential. Here are the two bucks taken on that DIY 3 week high country pack in trip region H.
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As you can notice, you're wrong again in saying i took a young buck. Though no real monster, my buck was a pretty darn good early season buck. My PARTNER did shoot a young buck though. He had several chances to shoot bucks similar to mine but passed looking for a real big buck that he saw in the first couple days. After hunting hard for 17 days straight, he found a group of seven bucks about 3 miles from camp. This one, little guy, had the biggest body yet the smallest rack. He took him, a good buck to take from the herd if not a trophy.

You keep slinging insults yet you don't read or listen. I may be older but i've been there and will go again. I suggest you open your eyes and ears and learn before you go telling more untruths and spouting off with your foul mouth!

Joey
 
The game and fish rarley reacts fast enough to do the right thing, in this case save some of the best mule deer areas (G and H).

It starts with us, if we all let 2 and 3 year old deer go the world would be a better place.

If you got to kill to have a good time and fill your freezer, then shoot whitetails. Take 2 they are small:)
 
Hey Guys,

I started this tread to try and get some information on a good unit/zone to put in for in Wyoming.

Every state has it's own managemnet problems including Nevada, We had one of the best mule deer areas around in the Sheldon Refuge. Over the last ten years the herds are way down there are way to many horses and now there is double the tags then there was 10 years ago.

There is no doubt in my mind that every area in Wyoming has big mule deer, not near as many as the 70's but they are there

But lets get real fish and game is goverment and what does goverment want? "MONEY" There is always a few guys that work for fish and game that have great intentions, but sooner or later they get sucked into the system or they finally get tired of beating there heads against the wall....

We can all get involved and try and preasure these guys but bottom line there going to do what they want to do in the end.

There is states that produced great areas with good management, but as soon as they see they can benfit from all the people that want those tags all of a sudden more tags are being issued for one reason "MONEY"

Most states are giving better odds for a non-residents. Why? big money....A non resident tag holders pays more on the average then 10 resident hunters.

I love hunting and will hunt till I can't hunt any longer.

Point being we can rant and rave and call our fellow MM members names, but were all in this together and unless we band together there will be no hunting one day.

Thanks for your input on Wyoming.

Steve
 
I am impressed with many views expressed on these hunt areas, by those here who know them and care about them, and would hope the courses of action that carry the weight would be given due consideration by those that throw the weight. As far as I know, we all really got hooked on the "region" probably the first time we ever went in, whenever that may have been.
Alas, such time has been allowed to pass for the lessening of the herd quality that I fear deaf ears plugged with wadded bills will continue to strangle out the current course, and watch as we play it like a convent full of nuns scrambling over one set of rosary beads.
One of the few management issues I reserve a thumbs-down for the G&F for letting that good country assume a get-raped position for the Muley. Special considerationists need not think I'll believe for a devil's second that a shedder is killing off the quality, either.
Five-dollar Whitetail licenses for all! Yee-haw!
That'd get some attention for a few years, ya' think? While "G" and "H" get shut down by half across the board.

Rump
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-02-09 AT 06:32AM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Feb-02-09 AT 06:28?AM (MST)

I was born and raised in southwest Wyoming during the mule deer heydays. To say it was unbelievable would be an understatement. It truly was a mule deer hunter?s mecca. The number of deer and the number of huge bucks were astounding.

I was about the only person who bow hunted that area in those days, and it was common to see 50-75 bucks in a mornings outing. I can't tell you the number of big bucks I wanted to shoot, but passed on because I felt I might loose my arrow if I missed. I only had four or five to my name. But there were so many deer in those days I knew that with in minutes or hours at the most, I would have as good or better opportunity in an area that if I missed I could find my arrow.

Sadly those days are gone forever. Since that time there has been a huge amount of change that have negatively affected the deer herds in that region. The energy boom of the 70?s took a great toll as areas that once required long walks or horse back rides are now a network of roads and byways.

Some of my favorite hunting groves now have huge plants within a stones throw that operate 24/7/365. Easy access, 4x4?s, four wheelers, motorcycles, shed hunters, wolves, coyotes, shooting sticks, big boom guns with powerful optics, and outdated management have worked in unison to destroy what once was one of, if not the greatest mule deer herds in the world.

It was a great honor to witness and hunt it at its best. It hurts deeply to see what has been allowed to happen.

It is far too late to change much of what has happened, but the parts we can change and should change are long over due. It's time in that area to limit resident and non resident hunting severely. To spread the limited opportunity, as best possible, its time to create choose your weapon hunting in that area. Management is one of the few things we can do to improve and then maintain what still can be a great mule deer area. It can never be what it once was, but with limited hunting could quickly become Wyoming?s Henry Mountains. It has far more potential than is being allowed. It will take sacrifice on everyone?s part, but in the long run the payoff for all will be very beneficial.

This is what has replaced the herds of bucks in much of that area. It's a favorite ridge that at one time a guy would see buck after buck after buck. Here's what I saw the last time I was there. (less than 2 years ago).
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Have a good one. BB
 
This is a discussion that needs to go on. We all can see problems in Wyomings deer herd. There is no arguing that point. What we need to do is work together some how to do a little for the deer not for self or not for money or what ever.....FOR THE DEER!!!

WE ALL NEED TO ASK OURSELVES WHAT ARE WE WILLING TO GIVE UP OR DO???.

Could our resident or nonresident hunters make one little step. Don't shoot the 2 1/2 year old buck the last day of the hunt. Smoke a cow elk to fill the freezer. Kill a coyote that is killing fawns. Educated our selves about winter mortality due to shed hunting. Work with the game and fish to do something for our winter range. Somthing..............

BUT ONE THING IS FOR SURE IF WE KEEP FIGHTING WITH EACH OTHER THE DEER LOSE!!
 
WyNontyp, I don't have a problem with any of that. I've came home empty near as many times as with a buck and felt darn good about it. If i'm seeing game, to me, the joy is hunting for a good one, not pulling the trigger on a meat target.

My partner is another story. I learned the boy to hunt back when we were in high school. He had no place to hunt and we had a vast family ranch...but man o man did he pick up the pace quick. He has hunted very hard through the years, hunted many states, killed a dozen bucks over 30", huge bow killed bulls,... and earned every one. As much of a top notch hunter i consider my friend, i can tell you that if he pays his share in the hunt, last time was near 2K each, he will choose which buck he takes and he will for sure, bring one home. The guy lives on fish and game, loves to hunt trophy's but eventually, takes the food part very seriously.

He is leaning to return to H this year, i'm voting for a drawable limited entry unit in the middle of the state. We both have 3 points.

Joey
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-02-09 AT 10:35AM (MST)[p]Youngster writes

They are targeting nothing but mature bucks so obviously that age class is lacking as we all know.

Believe it or not 99 percent of the hunters are not out there to shoot the biggest buck.

Which way are you going with this???????? Seems giudes are not the problem.

heads,,,,no tails heads oh crap
 
Robb' or NON-TYPICAL OUTFITTERS

Don't mean to be a jerk or Piss you off, hell I may one day wanna hunt with yah, but I noticed your guys killed 11 buck in 08 and 16 in 07, what do you consider an over harvest, when times are lean for the area.

Reason I'm asking cause I used to guide deer hunters for 11 years, when I noticed the herd decline, I first cut back on hunters, when it got worse I quite all together.

So I guess what I'm asking is, who says when the outfitters should cut back on their hunters...?

Are you self regulated or ?
 
Thats what I was asking back at the beginning of the thread and he's sure's being quiet on that one....
 
Outfitters are mostly self regulated in Wyoming. Some have use days, but most just have forest or BLM permits. And you can get additional area authorizations if needed. I have permits for over 1 million public-land acres including 4 wilderness areas. We have not taken a single hunter on public ground the last two years because the game is just not there. We're hoping for a rebound, but not holding our breath. As has been stated, we need some significant management changes before the herds will rebound.
 
>Thats what I was asking back
>at the beginning of the
>thread and he's sure's being
>quiet on that one....


Bummer......seems some one should take a consensus, I understand guides make their living off the wildlife and such, I was just curious.
 
Outfitters are not the ones shooting the deer, they're providing a service to hunters who are shooting the deer.
 
>Outfitters are not the ones shooting
>the deer, they're providing a
>service to hunters who are
>shooting the deer.


Dah, Quota's, Qouta's, Quota's.......
 
I have to say Pinenut took the words right out of my mouth. BB and Buckspy are also spot on.

They close the ATV trails in October for the elk hunts, why not close them down in Sept for the deer? I think that closing the ATV access and reducing the pressure by a mere 20% would do wonders for the area.

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I think they need to make most general quota area's limited entry. However, if they chopped the tags down to 300 tags or something, the odds for a non residnt drawing the Greys would be about like their chances of drawing 102. Then they'll be bitching about never being able to draw a tag. If that's the case, you max points holders outta just start putting in for 102 right now. If the Grey's ever goes limited quota, it'll take 3 - 5 years for the herd to build up some older class bucks and by then the word will be out and you won't be drawing a tag anyway cause everyone and their dog will be putting in for it. Guess either way yer screwed...
 
As to the question about the hunters I guide. Number one if I was not guiding hunters the same number of tags would be available due to decisions out of my control. For example region G and H gives out 1600 non resident tags. It's proven from the game and fish the non residents carry a higher success rate than Non Typical Outfitters. Most of my clients are not interested in killing young deer. We average a 50 to 60% harvest rate. Which is damm high for trophy class mule deer hunting.... We could easily be 100% if we were just shooting the first 4 point buck that came across our path.... When I'm on the mountain with one of our clients and it's down to the wire and we haven't had the luck at finding the deer we are after and the client wants to shoot a 2 1/2 year old 170.... I do my best to educate them as to why that is not the best choice. Let's let him grow up and become the 190 in one or two more seasons. Some outfitters and most hunters would say fire away!! I do not. I put it on myself to do the scouting and preseason work to find the age class bucks. If you look at our top end deer they are 6-8 years old. In Wyoming those deer may not even make the next winter. They have had their chance to spread some genes and are at the end of there life anyways. So to clearly answer the question we are killing less over all bucks... but killing the older deer.

From one year to the next I may not even hunt the same drainage as the year before to spread the hunting pressure out. I'm permitted for 900 miles of forest land in western Wyoming and double that in BLM..... I don't think if you took the deer we guide at NTO out of the harvest you would see much change.

I am as serious as a heart attack about this next statement.........You show me the tools to cutting back the number of deer harvested in western Wyoming and help this herd back to it's full potential........I will be the first to sign up to sacrifice what ever necessary as long as we do what is best for the deer.......and not politics!!

Even with the problems. Western Wyoming... it is one of the best places your going to find to hunt high mountain bucks.... We are still consistently killing the best deer in the state. Regardless of what some people are saying
 
http://gf.state.wy.us/wildlife/jobcompletionreports/2007/Region 8 - Pinedale - a Mule Deer.pdf

http://gf.state.wy.us/wildlife/jobcompletionreports/2007/Region 1 - Jackson - a Mule Deer.pdf

Check out the above two links to see the Job Completion Reports done by the game and fish for Regions G and H. This will give you an idea as to where the herds stand. It seems to me not much has changed in the last 10 or so years, in fact it looks like things have improved somewhat recently.
I have always dreamed of hunting that country but the fact of all the people turns me away. I'll just hunt other general areas closer to my home in NW wyoming that can produce good bucks and I don't have to deal with all the people when I go to certain spots. I would love to see the Deer herds in G and H back up to objective which in doing so would probably help the quality. I don't think making it limited quota is the answer, though I agree with most that something needs to be done. Perhaps make the seasons only a week long and maybe open them on Oct. 15. As well I am a firm believer in closing unnecessary ATV and 4wheel roads, this alone can make a huge difference. Have seen it first hand. Combined these areas allow for 2000 non-resident tags, maybe decrease that number some. Overall the herd is only losing about 6% of its population each year to hunters which is within reason when it comes to deer, though it sounds like older age classes may be targeted to heavily.
I have hunted a fairly hard to draw limited quota area in my neck of the woods for two years in a row now and it is no better than the adjacent general areas. This was an area that historically held large numbers of mature trophy size bucks. The herd has been declining for unknown reasons. The tags have been cut back a lot from years past and the quality doesn't seem to be improving, so knowing that I don't always think having limited quota is the answer. As well some general areas I've hunted used to have week long seasons and now the deer are doing better and the quality is better and the seasons are back to 10-14 days long. In short who knows what the right answer is and what exactly should be done in order to offer opportunity as well as quality trying to balance the interests of all. I believe we are just experiencing a down trend in mule deer and have been for some time. Hopefully in the future things will be looking better.
 
I only see one way to reduce the harvest of deer in G and
H. Cut tag numbers! Game and Fish needs to come up with a plan and set some quotas. I would still like to be able to draw a tag every several years. I would hate to see it turn into an impossible draw.
Lots of good points made in the previous posts. A couple that I don't agree with, though. Let's face the truth, 99% of us want to kill a big buck. It's more than a meat hunt.
Robb, no doubt, you put guys on some good bucks. You're hunters consistantly kill some monsters. But when I draw a tag, I'm going to shoot a buck that I'll be happy with. I'm not going to try to meet someone else standards. Its hard to spend eight days total and expect to kill 200" bucks. I've hunted G twice and have killed a 155" and 207" buck. I'll most likely never kill a huge buck in there again. My hunts are measured in the experience, not in the inches of bone. I'm proud to backpack into some rugged country, work hard, kill a buck, and get him out. If I don't harvest, that's ok too. I think that whoever draws a tag, gets to decide what kind of buck it gets put on. No disrespect Robb, it just rubbed me wrong to be classified as a "BIG BAD A$$ HUNTER" or "SO CALLED TROPHY HUNTER" because my idea of a succesful hunt differs from your's.
I hope G&F does take steps to protect this herd. It's too great of a treasure to let ruin.

Don P.
 
Don I thought your 207 came out of region H??? Some of my best hunts did not measure in inches either..... I was referring to guys I have met on the mountain. Big Trophy Hunters who weakened. But I guess no matter what I write I will piss off some body. Good luck and see you on the mountain!!!!
 
I'm not pissed off, Rob. I know how things come across differently in print than in real life. It took me a couple of days to even respond to the post, because I didn't want to sound like a jerk. I just think, that what a buck scores, is not the most important aspect of the hunt. I dream of killing the biggest, knarliest, mature buck on the mountain! But the reality of it is, I don't deserve to. In 2007, the biggest buck that we saw was a 168" 4X4 and we were happy to get him. I have to rely on luck. Guys, like you, that spend alot of time on the mountain, deserve to kill the good ones. If we draw, we'll be in the Grey's. I hope to run into you some time. Good luck in 2009!
P.S. The 207 buck was from G. He wasn't far from H. He could have easily lived on either side of the mountain.

Don P.
 
Wyo I appreciate the posting of the info---was wondering if you have the link to the Mule Deer Units of 134,135,143 thru 145. This covers the lower G Area. Thanks in advance
 
I've been trying to address this issue with G&F for much more than a decade. My general question/response is that if ALL ANTELOPE LICENSES IN WYOMING ARE LIMITED QUOTA, DO DEER NOT DESERVE THE SAME LEVEL OF RESPECT AND CONSIDERATION IN THEIR MANAGEMENT? This is a complicated matter, but maybe next week when I get time I'll write a new thread to express some of the things I have asked for at G&F season setting meetings in the past.

There are many good thoughts on this thread and it does me good to know that so many people care about the deer herd in Western Wyoming and are willing to try to help in a positive way.

I'm walking out the door to head to the MDF meeting and it's an 8 hour drive. Looking forward to a super convention.
 
Don, we are on the same page as far as score goes. If it were up to me we would get rid of score. The only point I have tried to get across is if hunters are going to be holding out for the big bucks you have to be willing to let the young little ones grow up to be big...... My hope in writing this in a public form is to create a little thought......maybe if we can't change the number of hunters in the field we can change to way the hunters think. You can't have your cake and eat too..... If I had every hunter just shoot a buck to fill the tag...it would not be long before there would not be many bucks to chase.....I'm not tying to tell someone what to do that is their choice. But we need to change something.....

Don I don't deserve any buck...I love chasing the big one...And I especially love helping one of our hunters achieve a goal of getting the big one.....especially when they really appreciate it.
 
>Don, we are on the same
>page as far as score
>goes. If it were up
>to me we would get
>rid of score. The only
>point I have tried to
>get across is if hunters
>are going to be holding
>out for the big bucks
>you have to be willing
>to let the young little
>ones grow up to be
>big...... My hope in writing
>this in a public form
>is to create a little
>thought......maybe if we can't change
>the number of hunters in
>the field we can change
>to way the hunters think.
> You can't have your
>cake and eat too.....
>If I had every hunter
>just shoot a buck to
>fill the tag...it would not
>be long before there would
>not be many bucks to
>chase.....I'm not tying to tell
>someone what to do that
>is their choice. But we
>need to change something.....
>
>Don I don't deserve any buck...I
>love chasing the big one...And
>I especially love helping one
>of our hunters achieve a
>goal of getting the big
>one.....especially when they really appreciate
>it.


I like your attitude, I went home many a time with tag soup, for that very reason, now I'm getting old and wished I'da tried harder....?/....
 
The reality of the modern world is that the good old days of opportunity and great trophy hunting cant exist without restrictions. Everybody needs to look in the mirror and decide whether or not it is more important to give up personal opportunity for the greater good. However when it comes right down to it most people want to be able to draw a tag and then once they are on their hunt they wish the hunt was better. If a guy is a strong backpacker and stays in shape and isnt to old then the idea of closing roads, restricting ATVs, etc is appealing because he can see how that would benefit him. If a guy has money he wants to limit tags because he can purchase a tag or go with a guide because he can see how that would benefit him. The guides really want the trophy quality increased not only because they love hunting and animals but because they will benefit financially. I think States need to try to manage the whole state in way that many people can have their own quality experience. You need areas that are restricted in access. You need tag reductions in areas. You need weapon restrictions. The bottom line is that the formulas used in the past for hunting dont necessarily work today. If a guys draws a real tough tag with good quality if he isnt a good hunter he has a friend who helps or he pays for a guide so the trophies out there are targeted much harder than in the past. Take Utah elk in a unit with 20 tags maybe 3 or 4 guys are really good hunters. However everybody has friend who is a hardcore hunter, helps with scouting, holds their hand and they get to kill "their" trophy bull although if left on their own they would kill the first decent 6 pt. There is nothing wrong with that however that is what changes the success rates on older age class animals and puts all the pressure on the trophy animals. You need a certain amount of true trophy quality animals in the herd for age structure, breeding, etc. I don't know what the answers are or even if game depts care. Bottom line for them is they need to sell enough tags to keep their job. But everybody better be willing to give things up sooner, rather than later or quality hunting will be thing of the past.
 
Thanks Wyo.....Just saw the Jackson Info at the beginning and didn't read any further...my wife wife tricked me that way too....JUST KIDDING!
 
Robb, For whatever reason I have the impression that the Wyoming guide association is powerful enough to make a difference on this topic. I would dare say it is the most powerful guide association in any State in the USA. If you have any sway and influence up there I beg you to help them do something to reduce tags in Region G.

I don't think I am far off in my belief that the area has the potential to be better than the Henries in Southern Utah.

The interesting thing about the Henries is that it had to hit rock bottom before it became the best. The area was closed for several years to hunting. I'm not saying that is what should happen with G but if things get bad up there some organization is going to demand changes. At least they could carve out a primo section and make it the jewel of the State.
 
Unfortunately,I don't believe that all outfitters are on the same page as Robb.They may not have the influence you wish they did.Resident hunters hold the most sway in this state,and we are a spoiled lot.We can hunt deer literally from Sept.1 clear into November.Pretty hard to give that up for most.That being said,I would gladly give up some opportunity for better quality.But most resident hunters don't feel the same way.They get very protective of their hunting!!I remember back when G&F made the tough decision to make areas 101 and 102 limited quota.The buck/doe ratios were abysmal at best,and older age class bucks were few and far between.G&F made the correct decision to go with limited quota to give the herd some much-needed protection from hunters.We have almost reached that same level in some of these other units,but G&F won't make them limited quota.For instance areas 131 and 132(historically good trophy areas).The buck/doe ratio in 132 got so bad that they went 4-pt or better two years ago to try to get the buck numbers higher.There is a lot of private land in 132 where the ratios are over 30/100.Same as Jim(ICMDEER),I religiously attend all G&F meetings pertaining to season setting,etc.Let me tell you,it is very frustrating to try to get those guys to change any current management practices.Last year's meeting got pretty contentious with standing room only in Green River.We won that small battle,but there are many more to be waged.Nonresidents need to weigh in on this!!You guys need to let Wyo G&F know that their hunting management is not working to produce the trophy quality you guys want when you come here!!We are actually pursuing management change through the legislature now.Rep.Allen Jaggi has introduced(or is trying to) legislation to make 102 a "trophy" area.Maybe the G&F will start to listen now(I doubt it).At least this may make them take notice!
 
Robb:
Ive read these posts too and see the bucks you and your outfit have taken in the past. Your guides however put the schlau brothers on two 21/2 year old 24 " bucks this past season. They were reportedly encouraged to shoot them cause nothing seen by your staff that were much bigger??
 
Hmm? What about the heavy mid 180's cheater buck that jonathan Schlauch missed at 125 yards?? One of the bucks the schlauch brothers killed I have been watching for three seasons. He was not wide but he most defiantly was not 2 1/2 years old. But that is besides the point... What is your point Spome?? Do you have somthing positive to add or are you just trying to stir the pot??
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-01-09 AT 03:26PM (MST)[p]Not stirring the pot at all. Just heard that the expeiences that some of your hunters,the last week of this past season, were contrary to some of the info you posted here re: #52 and
#63.
 
Well your wrong in what you heard. We busted our butts for those guys and they had opportunities at great bucks plus killed a good deer. The buck Jonathan shot at and another buck that was around 34 inches wide to mention a few.....
 
Go back to your La-Z-Boy and limp wristed remote SPOME. The internet can be a great networking tool except when jerk-offs like yourself, with no value to add, attempt to belittle people.

This subject is out of your league and you obviously have no clue what high country hunting from an outfitters perspective is about. Stick to researching high fence hunts, that would be more your style.
 
Hey Spome, this site should be about info we all can use.I must agree with you, I talked to one of the brothers yesterday that you mentioned. He was encouraged to shoot a buck that he isn't completely happy with. In the end they didn't see any bigger bucks and were generaly happy with the hunt. Looking else where in the future.From the horses mouth. BH1
 
Dam glad I started this tread....Guess my question didn't have a simple answer.......5 weeks and still going. Looks like Colorado this year!
 
sorry NVMULEDEER1, I dont have much to offer on your original question but I felt compelled to comment on the on the rest after reading it all.
I think we could argue that there are many good ways to manage region G & H to bring back what was once there. As far as the F&G goes we would stand a greater chance of actually making something happen if we all make a sugestion that they could consider. (they have to keep alot of different people happy)

I think two earlier sugestions just in themselves could put region G & H back on the right path and the F&G might be able to pull it off without too much backlash.

1. limited quota tags
2. limit ATV access

If every one that posted to this thread wrote the F&G a short note and stated that those two simple things could make a huge difference we might get some consideration (I will not be so brave as to suggest "how" limited the tags should be)

If ever there was a place to bring back...that gene pool and that country is it!
 
NVMULEDEER1, I hear you. Sometimes the tangent just ends up being more interesting than the original topic. I think this post has raised a few good issues so maybe you'll feel good about that.
 
ICMDEER, Your quote bears repeating . . .Very nice.

"ALL ANTELOPE LICENSES IN WYOMING ARE LIMITED QUOTA, DO DEER NOT DESERVE THE SAME LEVEL OF RESPECT AND CONSIDERATION IN THEIR MANAGEMENT?"
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-24-09 AT 06:43PM (MST)[p]I emailed several people with the game and fish and finally got a reply. Everyone should send an email to the email address below and voice your opinion about how the state should better manage the deer; especially regions G and H.

Here is the email address: [email protected]

Copy and paste my message and place your name at the bottom or make your own message, but please send an email so they will know how we feel!


I have sent the following message:

To whomever it may concern:

Please begin to manage mule deer in regions G and H in the same conservative manner as pronghorn. Limit resident licenses. Set quotas for each unit; no general licenses for residents and no region licenses for non residents. Decrease harvest; fewer buck and doe licenses. Shorten seasons. Please do whatever is necessary to make this area of Wyoming a great place to hunt mule deer once again.

Thank you,

Cody Q. Heinbaugh
cqheinbaugh photography
105 Rd. 1WAW
Deaver, WY 82421
307-941-0684
www.cqheinbaugh.com
[email protected]
 

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