Eastmans????

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I was watching Eastman's Journal on TV tonight and they were hunting "Early Colorado" Mule deer with a rifle. I know they have the above timerline hunts early, but is there another early hunt where they are still in the velvet???? The buck they shot was nowhere near high country, and it was on "hill Ranch" is that helps.

Thanks.
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-20-09 AT 00:30AM (MST)[p]The Hill ranch is part of the Ranching for Wildlife in South East Colorado along the New Mexico Border.

They recieve an allotment of tags good ONLY for hunting their ranch in exchange for allowing the public a limited amount free access. The tags that they sell to Private hunters have special seasons given to the ranch by the DOW allowing them to hunt with a rifle From August through December.

Example: The ranch is allowed to hunt Elk from middle of August through end of December with ANY weapon but only on the Ranch.

http://wildlife.state.co.us/Hunting/BigGame/RanchingforWildlife/HillRanch.htm

THE LORD IS MY ROCK
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I really don't care if someone hunts a ranch. However, I get sick of listening to their preaching, and critisism of other methods of hunting......

Mike preaches in his magazines that hunting in the US is becoming like "Europe" and organizations are ruining it.....

However, he probably buys more "ranch" tags than 99% of hunters.
 
Didn't he start the show sighting in a muzzleloader and killing the buck in the end with a rifle?
 
I am pretty sure he sighting in his rifle and that is what he used, which means he was on some kind of private land with special dispensation to use a rifle during archery season.
Isn't it interesting that "The Eastman Way" is DIY and public ground hunting for everything, (unless you want a velvet buck and you are too lazy to work hard with a bow to get one "The Eastman's Way".
This hunt smacks of hypocrasy given their stance against limited entry,governors tags, etc. I believe we all need to contact Eastman's and ask for an explanation?
 
on each show I'd like the eastman's to show how much $$$ the tag costs and the guided hunt.
on one of his last elk hunts in NM, he said something about drawing the elk tag. I bet he bought the unit 15 elk tag for big $$$ bucks. In montana, they but high price
outfitter tags. Not a do it your self type deal.
I'm jealous.
 
Apparently none of you read the magazine. I've read articles in there where he (Guy) clears says that yes, they do buy tags and private land hunts every year to fill the schedule in addition to the public land hunts.

I can agree with some of the comments above about making reference to research, etc during the show and then going on this guided hunt on private land. I completely agree with this, but I think the root of the problem is jealousy of Eastmans hunting private ground. So many people view private ground the same as a high fence ranch. Someone takes a big buck, and then you later find out and "oh, that was on private land" comments are made.

Are we sure we're just not jealous we can't afford the private ground hunts? Or I think some people just need something to moan and groan about. So what if he's doesn't practice what he preaches - don't watch the show or buy the magazine, it's that easy.
 
I don't think they are paying a lot for these tags. Its pretty common for an outfitter to give an outdoor writer a break or even a free ride in exchange for the publicity that comes from having them come and put the ranch on TV and in print. I would probably feel more confident hunting that ranch know that Eastmans went down there. They have a high trophy standard.
 
I do not know about the velvet deer hunt, but Guy's NM elk hunt was a draw. He did NOT buy a unit 15 archery tag, he drew a unit 12 tag, I am sure on this cause I was in camp with him and Tom. The other...........I don't know, but will not make a speculation on a false premise.
Travis
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I have guided elk hunters for 18 years on a ranch that borders the Hill Ranch and I can step over the fence with one step anywhere on the ranch. So Guy's hunt was darn sure not high fenced and that is big country!!! I watched the show and thought it was a great deer taken under the premise of fair chase...JMO

Later, L.T.
 
The "Eastmans Way" DIH (Do It as a Hypocrite) has existed for years. Hell, it wasn't that long ago that Cameron wrote stuff that was all about DIY and public ground... yet there's a pic of a bull he killed from this very ranch mentioned and then talks about holding out for big bulls on trophy management units when you have to draw the tag. In that same article, there is a pic of an outfitter hauling some deer out of the hills in Nevada.

Or... how about the guided caribou hunt in Quebec with Artic Adventures?! How about Guy "scouting hard" for monster bucks in Kansas, uhhh.. Cedar Bluff Lodge uses the buck in their ad! Or even more... in Wyoming, their home state where they know it all... Guy with Muddy Creek Outfitters has killed 2 different bucks over the years that required a little more "time and energy" to find... on private land!

Nobody is jealous, just get sick of hearing DIY this... public land that... when they don't always do it. They still put 100% DIY in the corner of the mag! We are educated hunters and not idiots! Who cares if they do it, just get off the bandwagon and lose the DIY, public land, greater than all of us attitude! DIY, DIO-utfitted, DIP-rivate... it's all the "Eastmans Way"!
 
Yes, I guide for Tom McReynolds in NM and he works with me in AZ.
I totally agree with this hippocrate, DIY motto they have started and then turn around and do a guided or ranch hunt. I guess when you become famous, these same rules do not apply.
I wish when they go guided or ranch, they would just let everyone know, and quit hiding behind the curtain.
Travis
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LAST EDITED ON Mar-20-09 AT 04:37PM (MST)[p]Their "do as I say - not as I do" methods do a fine job ruining all their credibility..
 
muleymadness posted:

".... I think the root of the problem is jealousy of Eastmans hunting private ground........Are we sure we're just not jealous we can't afford the private ground hunts?"

Yup, really sure. Many here can afford to hunt any of the places we see them hunting, but chose not to. I don't think suspicions of jealousy should be confused with those questioning a legit contrast in what is preached versus what is practiced.



Here is a real question for you and others -

If a prodcuer went through the cost and effort to produce a high quality TV show of all non-guided hunting, would you watch it?

They would have to shun all the attracive offers from guides and outfitters, but if they did it, whether on public or private land, with no outfitters, would you watch it?

If they shot decent animals, but not B&C critters everyday, in their attempts to depict hunting like that of the average guy, would that make it less attractive?

It costs a hell of a lot of money and takes a lot of time to do what Eastman's has done. To not accept some of these guided hunts, or to not cut some of the corners referred to in this thread would add even more time and money to the equation.

I am interested to know if someone spent that extra money and invested all that extra time to try portray hunting as it occurs for most of us, would it really make a difference to the viewer?


"Hunt when you can - You're gonna' run out of health before you run out of money!"
 
jealousy has nothing to do with it. when Eastmans sit on thier high horse and diss guides is sure somthing.

most of the big deer and elk i have seen them take has been on private property. but they make sure and say its a "general tag that anyone can get" but they fail to mention the muddy creek ranch, or the hill ranch and others. they preach DIY public land till your sick of hearing it, then do the exact opposite, funny thing is alot of guys really think they are on N.F or BLM land some where.
 
I guess if I were in their shoes I would be doing the same thing, except I wouldn't be preaching DIY. I would be up front, at the beginning of the show and say what kind of hunt it was. Thats being honest with the viewers. With all the canned hunts they are showing on the outdoor channel and versus with all their advertising, I have essentially quit watching the hunting shows. If I want to enjoy the outdoors, I do it outdoors. If I want quality outdoor products I do my research at the sporting goods stores or on line. I don't let Bill Jordan tell me who has the best camo!
 
WOOOO DOGGGY!!

That's not the reaction I was looking for or expected. Just had a question about the season or what I was missing out on.....

But to add to this, Not one single guy that I can think of to date, that claims to be some almighty super hunter has been able to do it without being exposed sooner or later. They claim hard work, good luck, tons of scouting and DIY, and sooner or later it comes out....whether it be chute-planing, private ground, 15 guides, super high priced tags or poaching....

Nothing against the Eastmans, or any of the others we all look up to(kind-of) but is there anyone out there that can actually claim all this success DIY style without the blemishes????

Do what you say, say what you do.......that's how I roll.

good luck to you all this season, maybe I'll see ya whie I hunt on public ground...


Mark
 
I dont watch there shows or buy there videos mainly because I cant stand the way they talk, not what they say just the way they say it, that and some of the terms they use. Just annoys the crap out of me, I do buy there mag every once in awhile but not because of them. And I do get sick of the whole DIY thing as well.

Not jelouse just cant stand them.



Jake H. MM Member since 1999.
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I don't buy their movies or watch their shows just because they are boring as heck. They put me to sleep with that lame music that they play and the monotone speeches. The sound of Mike Eastman narrating in the opening over that elevator music beats Ambien any day of the week. I'm snoring before he can say "fair chase" for the 5th time in 30 seconds.
 
I watched this show last night and I saw what you guys are talking about. I do watch Eastman's and get their magazine and I think they are one of the better shows but that may just be an indication of how bad most of the other shows are.

I do agee that when Guy was talking about researching the hunt he was just trying to sell their magazine with the Members Research Section. They hunt that ranch every year, they know where it is, I wonder how much research it took to find their way back.

I don't like being deceived.

If they aren't careful I will put them on the same list as Zumbo.
 
Funny stuff there Hillbilly. I'm just the opposite. I like the older mellow music and can't stand it when hunting shows play the loud speed guitars, drums and some guy screaming. It's like where the he!! did this come from? Turns me off big time and I change the channel. Obviously they are trying to reach a different audience. I'm assuming it is young males that grew up playing video games.

These guys who do shows and decide to go down the path of making money out of hunting are on a path to self destruction. No matter what they do they are going to be scrutinized by people who hunt out of love of what they are doing and that usually does not blend with money making motives. Just like the music thing. Some like it and some don't.

The best thing we could do for hunting and wildlife is to stop buying all these magazines, videos, outdoor channels, and cough silencer gadgets. 95% is not necessary anyway and marketers know we will buy it because we think with our heart and not our head when it comes to hunting.
 
I have to admit their movies arn't that sweet. I do like their magazines though. I understand that you need to fill your season with lots of hunts but not at the expense of un fair chase and then say its fair chase. Years ago my family hunted a specific spot in the southern region and Eastmans wanted to lease the ground and kill some big bucks. Needless to say they went back to Wyoming empty handed or with dink bucks. So unless they have gotten better they arn't the billy bad asses they think they are.
 
Why is hunting on private land not fair chase? I agree that saying he did all this research he didn't do was going a little over the top, but hunting on non-high fenced private land is fair chase.
 
I've been reading these posts for the last couple days and feel the need time chime in. As a few of you might know, I do some writing and photography for Eastmans. I will state up fromt that everybody has a right to their opinion and its not my job to come on here and defend Guy as he is a grown man and can do so if he chooses. There is something that deserves a response here and its this........

"But to add to this, Not one single guy that I can think of to date, that claims to be some almighty super hunter has been able to do it without being exposed sooner or later. They claim hard work, good luck, tons of scouting and DIY, and sooner or later it comes out....whether it be chute-planing, private ground, 15 guides, super high priced tags or poaching....

Nothing against the Eastmans, or any of the others we all look up to(kind-of) but is there anyone out there that can actually claim all this success DIY style without the blemishes????"

This is a hell of an implication in relationship to how this post was started and completely below the belt. I don't know how anyone can make the jump from deer hunting on private land to chute planes and poaching and suggesting there are "blemishes."

Now you might not like the fact that Guy has the opportunity to hunt private land but those suggestions, implications, innuendo or whateverinthehell you want to call them are just plain stupid and probably deserves a good ole fashioned apology.

Regardless of how you see fit to turn this whole discussion around on the values and detractors of hunting private land, the promotion of DIY values and how it all fits together, I will say this. No one in the industry does more to promote the values of fair chase and ethical hunting than Eastmans. You know why? Because they walk the talk. Pretty hard to do unless you really believe it in your core because you are putting yourself in a really vulnerable position to get knocked flat on your azz.

Theres my .02$. Thanks for taking the time to read and like I said, everyone is entitled to an opinion but I felt like some unfair suggestions were being made and gettin out here and letting her rip with a double shot of truth serum is kinda my style. Thats how I roll!
 
I'm sure if thats aimed at me but I have no problem with the Eastmans. I am a subscriber to both their magazines and I have a bunch of their videos. I don't advocate that they are poachers or high fence hunters either. I agree that they are the founders of DIY and I am all for that. I just know that we killed some hogs on that property back in the day and they couldn't get it done there. Now its a CWMU and the owners still kill big bucks. As far as I am concerned all these guys that have PLANES, 15 GUIDES, NICE PRIVATE RANCHES, CWMU, and all the other stuff arn't real hunters and they may never appreciate a TRUE DIY PUBLIC LAND HUNT WITH SOME GOOD OLD FASHIONED COMPETITION...
 
No it wasn't aimed at you, thats why the referenced language is in quotation marks to avoid any further inferencing or innuendo.
 
I've heard the Eastmans say many times on there show that they do use some private land and guides from time to time and how would you draw enough tags to get a full season of hunts without doing this from time to time. I think Eastmans and there crew are the best thing out there as far as the quality of there show and there magazine. It blows my mind that there are guys out there that wont watch them because they dont like the way they talk or the terminology they use. When Eastmans and there crew get that tag in there hand they get it done and I enjoy watching it and I will continue to do so for a long time.
 
Blows your mind huh, well sorry you cant comprehend. Why would I watch something that annoys me, I find it hard to belive that out of everything that was said about your heros here you found what I said the most shocking. LOL



Jake H. MM Member since 1999.
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Im with BUCKSPY, tell it like it is or shussh your mouth like your momma used to say ...lol I hate when others imply wrong doing when they dont know, just irritates me bad. They get second or third hand info and hold it as gospel and it isnt worth a hill of beans. This info usually comes from jealous (jelouse) lol...individuals trying to make themselves look holier than thou which usually isnt correct either.
 
what ever, i enjoy their TV shows, prob best out there, wish i had their connections though!

been a subscriber since day one, even remember renting some of grand dads vids back in the day...
 
"But to add to this, Not one single guy that I can think of to date, that claims to be some almighty super hunter has been able to do it without being exposed sooner or later. They claim hard work, good luck, tons of scouting and DIY, and sooner or later it comes out....whether it be chute-planing, private ground, 15 guides, super high priced tags or poaching...."

Here's the quote from above that I totally disagree with, and here's why. There are plenty of guys (many of them here on MM) that "work Hard"...."tons of scouting"...."DIY"....that take good animals on public land. And most of these guys are not "claiming to be some almighty super hunter" at all. They are avid hunters who have had ligitimate success and are willing, happy, and excited to share their success with their peers. They offer advice when asked, share then opinions when inclined to do so, share photos from their hunts and then they wish others good luck on any future hunts. Furthermore, there are tons of guys who have great trophies that have done it DIY public land that we never hear from. They are low key guys and get all of their satisfaction from hunting and taking their animal and dont have the desire to share photos of their hunts or to discuss them on chat threads or in magazines. Thats great. Thats fine. That's completely understandable. There are alot of guys out there that fall into that category. So, IMO, there are some truly ethical and hard working and dedicated and successful hunters who take good animals consistently on Public Land DIY who dont "fall from grace" or lower their ethical standards" and cheat to do so. And my hats off to you guys.
 
I can't comment on any hunting TV shows as I've got what I call 'Poverty Vision'. Yup, there are some of us out there that still use rabbit ears. ;) What I can comment about is the magazine and the books from Eastmans that I've read, all of which, I, as a DIY hunter, fully appreciate. I still hold 'Hunting High Country Mule Deer' as a classic. Lots of good solid info in there that has helped a ton of hunters, including myself. Mike does indeed know his stuff. As for the magazine, I make sure I buy it every time I see it on the rack. It is refreshing to see stories of hard-core DIYers getting the credit that they deserve.
 
I like to hunt deer. If I have the opportunity to hunt deer on private land, then I'll hunt there if that means a better shot at a big buck. It sounds like the ranch Guy was hunting held that potential. That's just wise use of a guy's time to me! If you guys that are trying to bring down the Eastman's because it's your time of the month or something ever had the opportunity to hunt the same ranch, I'd never believe you if you said you wouldn't!
 
I would watch shows with guys truly doing DIY hunts regardless of what they kill. I see shows all the time with the "pros" hunting elk with guides on ranches that kill raghorn 5 points and thats fine, except I would be pissed that i dropped the coin for that. I like the eastmans shows because they hunt western big game. I don't buy the "we have to fill our schedule by buying tags" argument. Ut, Az, Nm, Nv, Co, Wy, Id, Mt, thats 8 western states, you buy public deer and elk tags thats 16 tags, cameron, guy, mike, thats 48 tags. Add in antelope and whatever is drawn, that is more than enough tags to fill a season. They are the closest I have seen to DIY hunters, but they aren't there. I am more happy that they preach fair chase. I bet half or better of the shows on hunt in fenced ranches, or for planted birds, etc. We all hunt, we all read, look at the 400+ bulls you saw killed on tv last year. If their is a 400+ bull in utah their are pics all over the internet, guys talking, guides flying planes, etc. the only way there isn't is if they are in a fence. Tell me you wouldn't love to see the "pros" slid off the road stuck, or broke down, or lost, frustrated by other hunters, or all the other stuff DIY hunters deal with every year. Private land doesn't mean no fair chase, BUT, if your get to hunt the rut because your in a CWMU(utah) your chances are much better. If you are the first rifle the deer hears in August, your odds are a lot better than in October when they are extremely flighty. If hunting the CWMUs and ranches was the same as public land DIY hunting, why would anyone pay the money? I am like most of the guys here, I watch hunting shows instead of American Idol or Dancing with the stars, but I am not in awe, or even impressed with any of the "pros". Hunting shows are a lot like the WWE, a lot of hype, macho men yacking about how bad they are, blonde babes pretending they are as bad as their bad man, but in the end we know how it ends before it starts.
 
Great comments hossblur, I have to agree i would love to see the real deal with a hunt. I get tired of paying for hunting videos that are on private ranches or people with tags that allow them hunting anywhere at anytime of the year. I have a handfull of bucks that I have taken over the years and not one was ever taken illegally. I enjoy fair chase and if I get my butt kicked by a big old smart buck I am happier for that than taking a little meat buck. I Believe thats why its called HUNTING and not paying or guiding or whatever.
 
LuckyShot-

I tend to agree with your statements. I was not trying to take away from those who do get it done on their own, DIY style.

I kinda look up to guys who I do hear about that claim to do it the "right way", only to be deflated when the dirt comes out.

The stories of some guy who shoots 200" muleys year after year and we admire in awe for years, then it comes out....he was chute planing, trespassing or whatever....it just causes doubt in beleiving there are guys that CAN actually accomplish what the claim to. Kinda like all the recent baseball heroes of late....Mguire, Bonds, ARod, Clemons etc....

again, good luck to you all this season, whack a toad!
 
Bottom line the good ole days are gone, my hero is TED RIGGS was one of the best known Mule Deer hunters in the West. During a lifetime spent on the Arizona Strip, Ted has killed 40 bucks with antler spreads exceeding 30 inches, ten of which measured over 36 inches, and fifteen in the 34 to 36 inch range. His widest buck had a spread of 43 1/2 inches, and scored 249 6/8 Boone and Crockett points.

Ted is best known for the many Mule Deer he has taken, but to those that know him best, his real prowess is as a trapper and tracker.


I couldn't find any picture of his bucks though, he's passed on but nothing squirley in his past...
 
There are a few magazines and vidoes I watch that I enjoy and Eastmans is one of them....Yes it does seem sometimes the DIY hunting is overdone when many episodes and animals are obviously taken on private ground and on limited or outside an "Average Joes" means.
It does get old but who else do you know is willing to film a hunt on public ground where they spend countless hours scouting to show the world "Hey everyone here is my secret honey hole" come on out and ruin it so I can spend years finding another one? Would you do it just to get your name out there and risk all that time and energy invested? Not many of us would.

The real deal hardcore hunters I know who whack a great buck or bull almost every year on public are very rare and may brag to friends. However, they keep to themselves and would look at you like your nuts if you wanted to film and show the world there hard earned little paradise they know inside and out.

Many of us have seen what happens when news of a big critter is in a certain area. Your likely to have a circus around you and would it make you happy if a crew of guides and film stars camped next to you? Heck no.

I rather let the big name hunters do there thing to keep up ratings while I whack a good animal every now and then on my own in peace knowing I worked hard and with no help.
It still is fun to watch the videos and buy the magazines to check out all the monsters....The day I nail my idea of the ultimate buck or bull the chase will not be the same every again.
Best,
Jerry


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Verry well said Knack.

I am still in awe at the number of responses to this post. Maybe I should post more often...lol.

Eastman's remains one of the better shows in my opinion, I also like Easton Bowhunting, that Fred guy comes off as a wing-nut, but he doesn't hold back on taking an avg deer. I like seeing him go ape-sh1t when he nails one...its how most of us feel inside, but are afraid to display in public. Kudos

Gosh....can't wait to get out from behind this puter and do some scout/shedfinding.....too bad I have an 8 hr drive....
 
>I will say this.
> No one in the
>industry does more to promote
>the values of fair chase
>and ethical hunting than Eastmans.
> You know why?
>Because they walk the talk.

BuckSpy - with all due respect..

Eastman's may very well do more to promote values of fair chase and ethical hunting than any other organization in the magazine/TV world. In my opinion, there's nothing unethical with hunting private land, with an outfitter or guide(s), and even auction permits.

But they certainly don't really "walk the talk." Guy's Denver Post article shoots down lazy hunter syndrome, high-dollar hunts, guarenteed licenses, generation gap in getting newcomers into to hunting, and more. But their TV show, magazines and books, show them regularly participating in exactly what he discredits.

http://www.denverpost.com/outdoors/ci_11546434
 
I think Eastmans promotes and publishes more DIY hunts than any other magazine out there and for that reason it is one of my favorite publications.

Having said that, perhaps they could drop a few corny phrases that aint entirely true, and learn to call a spade a spade.
 
Sorry didnt see that show nor do I watch any of the Eastmens Urinal shows!Very few people remember Guys position on the USO lawsuit back in 05. Non-resi's have nothing coming according to him. And I wonder where they stand on the discriminatory wilderness law in Wyo? So I boycotted them a long time ago. BH1
 
BuckHunter1.

Enlighten me if you don't mind. I know alot of big name companies were against USO on this since it would push wildlife mgmt to the feds instead of states. Barnes Bullets, Primos Hunting Calls, Real Tree Camo, Jim Zumbo, Crooked Horn Outfitters, Knight Rifles and Swarovsky Optiks are a few that I know of, but I don't know Eastman's stance.
 
Wow. You can tell it's the off season. While I do agree with most on this thread that Eastmans pounds the DIY a little too much, they are still hands down the best magazine out there. What they print applies to at least 95% of the hunters out there. If you buy landowner tags or DIY on public land, they give out some of the best information out there . Their members only section is better than Carters Huntin Fool ($100 year) IMO. There is so much good stuff in each magazine it's pretty cheap for a $30 subscription fee for 2 magazines. As far as their show is concerned it's one of the only ones out there that is strictly Western hunting in some rugged country. You don't see these overweight dudes trying to hunt billy goats or sheep and I don't remember watching another show that portrayed a true horseback hunt, even on private ground. Kudos to Eastmans. I think they do a great job.


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They have a good magazine, hands down the best ? No, no way is it better than the huntinfool not even close nor in the same ballpark.
 
Hey MrKrabs tell the Spounge I said hi! I dont think the lawsuit was about federal management, people thuoght it might lead that way. I agree with most that would be all bad.It was about fairer treatment of the lowly non-resi. Tag allotment in most western states is not fair! Colorado is fair although they are slipping in my opinion, Oregon and Arizona are not fair. Young Guy in all his wisdom claimed non-resi's get plenty of tags and left it at that. Im no fan of Huntin Fool but at least they looked and tried to comment on the good and bad.In the end "Harry we lost the war Reed" smashed all hope of forcing any kind of compromise. Even though the USO suit was probably a power grab it helped the non -resi for a moment, can you say unit 9 archery elk in Az! So I guess MrKrabs if we want life to be fair we can all live in Bikini bottom someday.... BH1
 
If the Federal courts mandate that states give so many tags to non-residents then they are effectively pushing federal regulations to the state. It's a no-win situation really and the non-residents are screwed either way. If USO had succeeded the states likely would have jacked the rates so high only the elite could afford it. Of course it's getting close to that point now.

I wish I had Spongebob here to cook me a few Krabby patties. I'm trying to drop a few pounds before my NM trip and I'm starving.
 
I would put Eastmans "Members Only" section up against Carters any day of the week. I have found more areas to hunt, WITHOUT the crouds, doing the research through Eastmans than Huntinfool. I do think that Carters offers a good service to those that want to pay that kind of money. But they cater to the big money boys that so many on here gripe about, they only have 6 issues (you can get Eastmans every month if you subscribe to both EHJ & EBHJ). I'm pretty sure that this thread was about Eastmans touting their DIY theory and then hunting private ground. If I pull out any one of the Huntinfool magazines I have the majority of those guys in there are hunting big money tags or private ground using guides,, or public land using guides. That's not the issue here. For the average guy (which is exactly what I am when I'm not guiding hunters) that wants a DIY hunt with research tools, Eastmans is the only way to go. If you don't believe me, sign up for Carters and then try and get any information out of them about the area you have questions about, then call Eastmans or email Guy or Mike. HUGE, HUGE, HUGE difference. Absolutely no comparison. JMO though.


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my 2 cents...

at the end of the day Eastmans has done our sport of hunting much more good than bad.

They have a lot to live up to every year and fill thier schedule from a number of diferent sources.

That said.... since thier montra is DIY etc.. etc.. they should just disclose it upfront if any of thier shows are anything but.

I think alot of hunters that enjoy thier hunting shows would feel slighted if they were led to believe it was something it was not, but for the most part people would be fine if it was disclosed up front.
 
I subscribe to both, Eastmans bowhunting journal and the huntinfool and WAS a past member of the Eastmans hunting journal. Ive spoke with each on the phone regarding tags and units Ive had and can assure you that there is no comparison at all. When my EBJ runs out I'll be down to the one hunting magazine that I need, the Huntinfool.
 
I should have let this die but... America is a great country is it not? We can all have different ideals, views or what ever and have the right to get on soap box and shout to the heavens or just post it. I dont live out west and I dont have much money so my hunting oppertunities are limted to say the least. I enjoy reading Eastmans stuff, to at least see what it might be like to hunt DIY as that is the only way I will see the mountains or hunt in them. I think to make it right maybe they could put on thier mag. 90% DIY and everyone would be happy. If I had the money I would hunt on private land fair chase. It sucks to be poor.
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-27-09 AT 03:08PM (MST)[p]Whats wrong with promoting DIY Public Land? What are the chances every year that they are going to draw enough tags in the public draw to create a season of T.V. shows?

I completely agree with L.T.! Big country and I seriously doubt that Guy needed a guide. They have hunted the Hill Ranch several times and would have learned the lay of the land so to speak.

In My opinion Guy's hunt for a big Velvet buck on the Hill ranch is/was DIY, just not public land. I'm happy for him, he wanted a velvet buck and ended up getting a really nice one. He was obviously stoked about it, because at the end of the show he's holding it in the back of the truck so the velvet doesn't get messed up.

Since I started subscribing to their magazines I understand what they are all about. They "Promote" DIY Public land, and disapprove of high fence. Hunting private land with or without a guide in a "FAIR CHASE" situation (Such as Guy's velvet buck hunt)has never been looked down upon by the Eastman's.

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Must be tough hunting the Hill Ranch. What is it 50,000 acres of private? 100% success rate on deer and elk. Hunt with any weapon. That's where I would want to be hunting and filming. They mean well!
JC
 
I agree with wholelottabull, I like that they hunt western big game. I like that they push fair chase and diy. So why not just put it out out the begining of the show. "Hi, I'm Guy Eastman, it is late August, one week before regular bow season and I am hunting bobs ranch with a rifle. Bobs ranch is 45,000 acres, and although it is not high fenced, it is very exclusive. Deer tags here go for $20,000 and include 5 star lodging, Emeril as a chef, sweedish massage, and 18 holes of golf. 5 guides will pinpoint a deer and send GPS coordinates to me. I will then go out the door, grab some dirt and rub over my clothes(so I look like I have been hard at it). We then will go to where the deer is, I will stand 100 yards away and carry on a conversation with my camera man, field judge(knowing the number because my 5 guides told me it). I will tripod up my custom made .50 cal and wap this buck. The next shot you see will be me kneeling behind this buck telling you to do it the Eastman way. Then I will be ferried back for an afternoon tee time while my guides, gut and haul out my buck. When they are done I will rush back to them, in my spotless clothes(no blood visible anywhere) to put on my backpack with the head loaded on to tell you about fair chase and what video we are pushing, and please wear schnees boots. It is a huge 4x4 33" DIY Colorado high country buck, so stay tuned and we will get started after this commercial message" It is march, the choices are the Dancing with the stars results show or this, I am watching this DIY hunt, but at least I wouldn't spend the show shaking my head at the unbelievable ammount of BS coming out of GUY, and could just enjoy it for what it is, WWE in the outdoors.
 
hossblur,
It ain't like that. But that is funny. I know Guy knows how to hunt big deer. He came into my hometown and killed a trophy buck. He drew the tag did his research and backpacked in and shot a trophy buck. I would say that they must be getting a pretty sweet deal on the Hill Ranch. And if it was me and i got a sweet deal and could afford it i would hunt there also. It is what it is!
JC
 
seems like a whole lot of "Sour grapes syndrome" going on here. I think that the Eastman hunting is the best.
 
Wow. After reading some of these posts, I don't feel so bad for saying the Eastmans' shows are boring. Some of you guys genuinely don't like the Eastmans.
 
Just a little Info from Guy's Blog.

Look guys, I don't respond much to these MM threads mainly because they seem to turn nasty at times! I do gather some good informative information from this site and the threads and there responses and I thank alot of you guys for your valuable information over the years. We all should be thankful this site is available to share information on our passion for hunting Mule Deer. Yes, we all have our own opinions and that I think is great and helps us all to see another point of view. With that being said the Eastman Magazines have helped me alot in terms of learning what it takes to hunt the west without using an outfitter! I know an commucicate quite often with Guy, Ike, Dave and Cameron(who is no longer with Eastmans') and they for the most part do try and help the so called DIY hunter! So stating your opions is fair no doubt but let's try not to get to "Nasty" as I call it. They all are truly a nice bunch of guys that hunt the west like you and I for the most part. Unfortunetly they have to make business decisions as well that we all may not agree with at times. I am like alot of you guys that strongly feel the DIY hunting method is the most rewarding and that is what I personally choose to do! I have used outfitters in the past and finally made the decision that I will succeed on my own. I copied and pasted a response to an e-mail that guy made on his blog! Just thought it would give you some insight into there show mix!

Good Luck to all you hard core Mule Deer Hunters this Fall!

Darryl(DALLPAINT)


From Guy's Blog


"As for the public land hunts, we do on occasion hunt on private land or with outfitters, but a majority of our hunts/shows are public land DIY hunts. We calculated it the other day, and I think for the 2009 television season over 65% of the hunts on the TV schedule where public land DIY hunts. Surprisingly, most of the biggest trophies taken on the show are on the public land hunts. We film over 26 shows each year and it is next to impossible to get that many episodes without going on a few guided or private land hunts mostly due to the extraordinary amount of hoops we have to jump through to get filing permits and such from the Federal Government just to hunt/film on public land, not to mention the additional expense for these very expensive film permits (over $150 per day in most cases).

There is a ton of public land opportunity out there to take advantage of, it just requires a little bit of research and hard work to find it."
Guy
 
That piece from his blog would make a great disclaimer at the begining of the show. I still prefer their show because it is western. No offense but a "huge" whitetail doesn't get me going, and if I see one more bass fishing show i could die. Really, dead, not dramatic, just dead!! I wonder why no one has ever made a series out of their show. You know, episode one, the "did they hit my credit card?" call we hit the wife with for what seems like a month. #2scouting, #3 opening day #4 next day, etc. Show the hunt, not just the kill, you could do this with a couple tags and make a season, would be fresh and interesting. But like I said, another bass, BOOM, my fat azz hitting the floor! Believe me if it would quit snowing I would spend less time in here mouthing off, so if you don't like my posts it's al gores fault, WHERE IS MY GLOBAL WARMING???
 

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