Vernon Poacher

[Founder]

I just deleted a thread today titled, "Vernon Poacher". The guy who was accused in the thread, Shane Youd, called me and said that what was posted was absolutely false.

Obviously I feel horrible that someone would post something like that on this site that is false. That is a rotten thing to do.

Shane Youd explained to me that he had a problem in the past with wildlife violations (2007), but that what was posted recently on this site was completely wrong.

FOR ALL, in the future, please do not post anything accusing someone of something unless you provide information to back it up.
AND, be aware that if you do slander someone on this site, and that person decides to sue you, I will provide your IP address and the time of your post so that your ISP can provide your name.

I have no problem with you all posting a poachers name and what they were convicted of if there's a way that I and others can see that it is true.

Brian Latturner
MonsterMuleys.com

 

[backinthegame]

All I can do is laugh now...guess somebody should have listened to the advice being offered...

Good work Founder. We obviously all despise poaching/poachers, but there are steps that need to be taken before naming names can be allowed.

 

[MuskegMan]

So . . . thirtysomthin' bucks weren't poached on this LE unit?

. . . or they were?

I applied for the any weapon hunt and have a fair shot at drawing. I'd kind of like a clarification, if that's possible.

 

[backinthegame]

>
>I applied for the any weapon
>hunt and have a fair
>shot at drawing. I'd kind
>of like a clarification, if
>that's possible.


I think we all would...that's why we were looking for some kind of documentation.

Do we know if the bucks were taken, just not by the certain individual?

 

[222desertmuley]

There was a recent bust on a couple people poaching. I do not know any of there names, I heard it was 15-20 deer that they had shot.

 

[HillbillyNnevada]

I hope for Mr. Youd's sake and everyone that enjoys Utah wildlife that this story is false. I wonder what the admitted "problem in the past with wildlife violatons" was.

 

[jackrussel]

So is hunting from a paraplane a form of poaching?

 

[Robiland]

I don't know who did the poaching, but I have a very good friend who spends alot of time out there shed hunting. This past Jan-March came across 25+ deer with heads cut off and caped out. While out there, he always heard alot of shooting. There is a lot of shooting out there. That is probably why they are able to get away with it. My friend talked to the fishand game and they said they would "LOOK INTO IT". YAH RIGHT!!!! The deer are dead and they were all bucks, male parts still connected.

Problem here: alot of mature bucks dead.
Some dip$#!t got away.
Shane had his pfoblems in the past.
Poachers continue to get thier hands slapped.

What do you do?????

 

[backinthegame]

>I hope for Mr. Youd's sake
>and everyone that enjoys Utah
>wildlife that this story is
>false.

I couldn't agree more.

 

[Founder]

Chris Ray with the UDWR called me yesterday about this. He told me that a great number of deer have been poached on the Vernon, but that he was sure Shane Youd had nothing to do with it.

Shane has been convicted of wildlife crimes in the past. I don't know all the details behind that stuff.

Brian Latturner
MonsterMuleys.com

 

[huntingjlc]

LAST EDITED ON Apr-15-09 AT 01:42PM (MST)[p]If you guys really want to know what he has been found guilty of, go to www.utahsright.com and you can look it up. It doesn't give the information on what he did, just what he was found guilty of.

 

[ultra300mag]

LAST EDITED ON Apr-15-09 AT 05:43PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Apr-15-09 AT 05:42?PM (MST)

Hopefully for his sake this is true but if not I guess the truth will come out at some time.

 

[Gator]

Does the Game warden(Chris) have anybody in jail, And do they have any idea's who did all the poaching.
I'm happy the case for one guy got cleared up and HE WASN'T INVOLVED.
Hope to see the right guys get caught.


"I have found if you go the extra mile it's Never crowded".

 

[bigthree]

My question is yes he was found guilty but the web site does not say to what extent of the law was he was punished for there is alot of sub sections in the wanton law I would like to know if he's done hunting in utah.or even a loss of hunting previlages.I would like to see someone with some balls to print a page in the front of there magazines websites to let the public know whos doing wrong in utah then sweep it under the mat.

 

[elkhtr95]

Hey, This is Shane Youd. I had some previous problems with wildlife. On the oct 07 hunt I was a dedicated hunter with a southern deer tag. lets just say dont hunt out of your region. It was wrong doing and I got time for it. I have learned my lesson, but I dont understand how I got brought into this. Yes there were 20+ Deer poached on the vernon unit. They have some suspects but that all I know. And in Utah county there were 15-20 deer poached up by Cabelas and they also have a suspect for that. As for Mr. Johnson who said I was guilty for this, get your facts right!

 

[HillbillyNnevada]

Considering there are only 100 rifle tags for the Vernon, 20+ poached bucks is a big dent in the quality of this unit. Would this cause anyone to not put in for the Vernon next year?

 

[backinthegame]

LAST EDITED ON Apr-16-09 AT 08:44AM (MST)[p]> As
>for Mr. Johnson who said
>I was guilty for this,
>get your facts right!


I'm glad someone (Founder) was able to clear your name from this situation. I don't know you from Adam, but I trust that Founder's information is solid and that you are not a suspect.

As far as getting very far with mahew04 (Mr. Johnson)...good luck. From all experience I've had on this site, and regarding this subject...just a bit self-rightous.

 

[one_dryboot]

> As
>for Mr. Johnson who said
>I was guilty for this,
>get your facts right!



+1 And use your damn brain before you post someones name without the facts to back it up.


I think Mr. Johnson owes an apology!

 

[JREDBUCK]

Does anyone know where the deer were shot, I have family and friends that may draw a tag out there this year. With the new law where you can't turn your tag back in. We may be in trouble. We have watched some great deer grow up over the last couple of years it would be a shame to have them taken on one of these shootings.
I won't know 'til July if these bucks survived.

 

[cjboz]

Redbuck probably somewhere in the vitals?

 

[nickman]

Redbuck.

Man do I feel sorry for you.

There is no doubt that this incident is a bad thing.

But, you are telling us, that instead of anticipating a GREAT Colorado deer hunt in the fall, with your friends and family, you are going to worry about 20 deer missing from your unit?

You should ask for a refund right now and save yourself all the stress you are going to incur between now and July.

I don't know you, but I'll tell you what, if whacking a deer is the ONLY thing you get out of hunting, in one of the most beautiful places on the planet, you need to show up at our Colorado camp and you can shoot my deer.

 

[JREDBUCK]

I myself will not hold a Deer tag in the Vernon unit for a long long time. I'm on my 15th year waiting to draw a opportunity to hunt elk. I get alot more out of hunting than just killing. Even if you hunt or don't hunt. Having investing many, many days in the field filming a certain deer year after year only to see it taken by some very selfish soul is a waste, an absolute waste.

I love your great state of Colorado, I have hunted there many times. I should be so lucky to be able to hunt it year after year. I can only dream that our DWR will adopt Colorado's deer management plan.

However, here in Utah we may have the luck of having 2 or 3 great tags over our life time. Helk we have to wait for 6 years to draw some turkey units in our home state. But you don't think that it pisses me off to think that someone has waited 8 years to finally draw a stinking deer tag,only to show up and have the same canyon that your grand dad hunted - shot out. You bet I'm pissed.

 

[huntFX4]

I put in for this unit too. anyone have any idea what class bucks were taken? Were these idiots shooting just anything with horns or taking really good bucks?
Either way, it's totally f'd up!! I've been looking at a couple of really nice bucks hoping to draw to go after them the past couple of years.

 

[shotgunjim]

I seen some poachin POSs out in Vernon when I was Chuckar hunting once. They took off running when they saw me, I saw their truck be was unable to get a Lic. plate #.

 

[Clyde Hollinger]

I have been very busy this past weekend and week, and have just read this post. I had intended to get back on a state that Shane Youd was not involved in the Vernon poachings. I know the names of the individuals involved in the Vernon and Utah County poachings, but, due to the fact the case has not went to trial I'm not going to say any names.
Some have asked if the poachings really took place. Yes they did. The DWR is aware of between 20-30 bucks that were poached. The largest being nearly 30" wide. There were several smaller bucks, and some that weren't as wide, but, had several extras. Some great bucks were robbed from this unit. These guys weren't picky about which deer they shot either. Pretty much if it had antlers it was shot, or shot at. Several deer were shot, lost, and not recovered by the poachers. But were recovered by the DWR.
The area these bucks were shot in is very remote. I highly doubt this will effect those of you who are prospective tag holders. The area is little known and difficult to access. There are only a small number of people who even knew this herd of deer was there. That's why they were such easy targets for these guys. And that's why they got away with it so easy and for as long as they did.
For those of you who think the DWR doesn't do their job. This case is a perfect example of the hard work that these guys put in. This was a HUGE investigation, that took months to put together. They made sure all of their "t's" were crossed and "i's" dotted before they took these guys down. It was awesome to see how this all came together from begining to end. Two thumbs up for the DWR and the Officers that worked this case. I think these guys will get more than a slap on the wrist for this one.
Pretty sad to lose that many bucks out of a unit that is struggling as bad a the Vernon unit is. Good luck to all you guys who get tags out there this year! I'm sure you already knew it would be a tough hunt. But, now it makes it even tougher with 30 less prospects out there!

 

[HillbillyNnevada]

Elkster, if you know for a fact that these guys that you speak of were really arrested for the poaching of these animals, you can post their names. You don't have to wait for it to go to trial because more than likely, it will never go to trial. The newspaper and news report arrests every single day. If your facts are straight, spill the beans.

 

[Clyde Hollinger]

Hillbilly, I have my facts, and they were arrested and they will go to trial. I am not posting the names, not out of respect for the poachers, but for the Officers involved. If they want to release the names, they can do it. I'm not going to step on thier toes.

 

[carpdeer]

Perhaps it is not correct that Shane was brought into the Vernon allegations however I think that he is wrong to come on and say that he did what he did and that he learned his lesson since recently Mr. Youd pled no contest to a new case of Wanton Destruction of Protected Wildlife a Class A misdemeanor and Contributing to the Delinquency of a Minor a Class B misdemeanor. His sentencing is set for May 2oth in Court room 201 in Provo, Utah. The offense took place on 01/10/2009 which is after the earlier case that is shown in the link above. Anyone can find this information from the Court since it is now public record. What happens in court does not stay in court.

 

[ultra300mag]

Elkster to say that because the area is remote it will most likely not affect anyone is not a very good statement. If you knoe the unit as well as you are making out then you know a lot of the deer on the Vernon are migratory and depending on the time of year the incident took place these deer that were poached could have come from several different areas. As far as the remoteness or not many people knowing that the deer even exist again is in poor taste. If you knew or the poachers knew then how many others knew. Having grown up hunting the Vernon way before it was even a limited unit there are not many areas there that a lot of people don't know about, including Keg, the drums, sand dunes etc. I don't blame you for not stating the names of the individuals involved since they will get their day in court but no matter where the deer were shot it will only make that hunt a harder one. I hope my son in law does not draw the unit now, at least until we can verify the bucks we have been watching are safe. This is not to slam anyone but like I said it will make things harder.

 

[HillbillyNnevada]

If these guys were really arrested, there names will come out soon enough, probably a press release. If the state does in fact have great evidence, I smell a plea deal without a trial--just like every other wildlife conviction in recent history. 20+ dead bucks is worth more than the usual suspended sentence, fines and probation that poachers seem to get every time. You guys will have to keep us posted on the outcome.

 

[Scrillznac]

I hunted Vernon on the archery hunt last year. There will still be a lot of nice bucks on the unit but 20+ bucks being poached will def. make a dent in the overall quality no matter what part of the unit they were poached in. There are so many hidden spots away from well traveled roads that hold good bucks that doing your homework and scouting your a$$ off will still make it a good and maybe great tag if you put in the time and effort. Still it's too bad that the bucks got poached and I sure hope that justice will serve it's purpose.

Scrill

 

[bigbucks243]

ME and my family guide out there and spend a lot of time out there scouting for the up coming season.. there were a couple nice bucks taken that we had high hopes for making it a couple mroe years but that didnt happen, i think its a discrace to do that on that unit or any unit. i think they should be punsihed for life or get a rope!

 

[norby]

I just found out my son drew this unit. It took him nine years and cost him his eight points. I now have mixed feelings about him drawing the tag. I hope they take no mercy on the pos that poached all those deer.

 

[Foreman4x4]

>Perhaps it is not correct that
>Shane was brought into the
>Vernon allegations however I think
>that he is wrong to
>come on and say that
>he did what he did
>and that he learned his
>lesson since recently Mr. Youd
>pled no contest to a
>new case of Wanton Destruction
>of Protected Wildlife a Class
>A misdemeanor and Contributing to
>the Delinquency of a Minor
>a Class B misdemeanor. His
>sentencing is set for May
>2oth in Court room 201
>in Provo, Utah. The offense
>took place on 01/10/2009 which
>is after the earlier case
>that is shown in the
>link above. Anyone can find
>this information from the Court
>since it is now public
>record. What happens in court
>does not stay in court.
>


Youd, is this true? If so, whatchya got to say for yourself now?...

 

[jackrussel]

You folks that keep saying "get a rope", get a grip, you know damm well that its not a capital offense. Yes it is wrong and they should be punished to the fullest extent of the law, but come on.