No More Non resident Tags

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thebroker

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I say No More Non resident tags ever be offered to Non residents untill every tax payer in the state who desires a deer tag gets one who is with me
 

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Rackmaster
 
.....and with your special tag don't you so much as stick a toe off state or private property....


great post/pic, thanks for sharing

JB
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He is talking about Utah because he posted the same thing on another post.

Broker, you should read the privileges and immunities clause of the U.S. States Constitution before you try to cut nonresidents out of hunting in Utah. Also, you might try the equal protection clause since you suggest "taxpayers" of Utah should get the tags. I think the law will permit you to restrict non-residents but never cut them out completely. And no, I don't hunt general season Utah for anything.

Plus, even if it were legal to do what you suggest, every other state would do the same to Utah residents. Do you think it would really be worth every Utah resident being banned from hunting every other Western state just so you can get your forkhorn tag every year? I doubt it.
 
IF WE ISSUED EVERY TARD A DEER TAG THAT WANTED ONE!!!

THERE'D BE 200,000+ ORANGE PUMPKINS IN THE FIELD!!!

THERES ALREADY TOO MANY PUMPKINS AT 97,000!!!

I HAVE FRIENDS IN OTHER STATES!!!

DON'T WE ALL LIVE IN THE UNITED STATES WITH SOMEWHAT THE SAME RIGHTS??????



"I'M NOT COMPLAINING,I'M TELLING IT THE WAY IT IS,SOME OF YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT,THATS O.K.,SOMETIMES THE TRUTH HURTS & YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT IT,OR YOU FIND OUT WHAT THE FACTS ARE,STAND UP & VOICE YOUR OWN OPINION,THIS IS STILL AMERICA THE LAST TIME I CHECKED"!!!

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REMEMBER!!!

THERE'S ONLY ONE bobcat!!!
 
I hunt in 3 or four different states depends on the year and I would be happy to step aside and allow a tax payer of that state have a tag before I,,, as far as utah my tax dollars my deer tag ....
 
I am with you if you agree that every resident hunter pays 5,ooo.oo dollars to hunt on federal property each time they draw a tag to off set contributions non-residents make to our federal government, are you with me?
 
I want Non-Resident hunters hunting Utah. Case in point, Californina. Seriously, think about California hunters and their value. They live in a mostly liberal anti gun/hunting state. Do you want Non-resident hunters to have little or no opportunity to hunt? Do you want their kids to lose interest in hunting.

I want NR resident hunters to have a chance to hunt elk in the rut or go on a great muley hunt.

I am all for NR hunters. The Non-Residents that you despise are the same people that champion and defend your right to hunt.

I reality I think you are just trolling for a reaction.... I guess I bit!
 
not at all and i agree with you this is not a slam for NR its a point of why I a tax payer of the state spend 90 %of all sales tax here why should I not have a resident tag in one of the 5 regions available and NR get one
 
calm down everyone think it thru completly I believe a tax payer of the state should have the privlage before a non resident there are many states undersubscribed with there resident tags plenty of opportunity for all who really want to hunt .Check the left over tags other boardering states will have left over even after the hunt before you speek and forgot to think
 
Broker,

I would rather have a "non-resident" around the campfire than your gripin' attitude.

Get over the non-res. issue; We are all non-residents somewhere.
 
I paid Utah State taxes for 25 years. I'm now a non-resident, but Utah will always be home.

I drew a Non-Res archery deer tag, and if I want, I'll shoot a monster 2x2 opening day. I will also buy a spike/cow archery elk tag that I will hopefully have the time of my life trying to fill.

I have enough points to draw a Utah doe tag for speedgoats and deer and I will have fun hunting them. I'll bring a considerable amount of revenue to Utah off of my sorry hunts (as many on this site will consider), and I will try my hardest to fill them.

I dedicate my last years yearling archery buck to thebroker.

This ones for you, buddy!
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I'm proud as ever of this buck, thanks to Utah.

Happy hunting to all,

Todd
 
+1 buncoboy. The residents in Utah or any other state would have to see a huge increase in tag fees to make up for the lost revenue of nonresident hunters.Plus I'm sure all the gas stations, restaurants, grocery stores, sporting goods stores, motels, etc.,etc. wouldn't think it's to good of an idea. Also the other posts about federal land vs. state and private land would seriously limit the acres that a resident should be limited to hunt.
 
If this is the case (by amount of taxes paid), then maybe each state should get a chunk of the Federal land according to their tax base. I think Californians would be owners of most of your wasatch.
 
i think this is about the stupidest post i've ever "waisted" 5 minutes of my life reading.
if you got your wish you would really regret it. the amount of money your state would loose would increase you fees so much a high % of people couldnt afford to hunt. like my dad always told "SON, USE YOUR HEAD!"
 
Amen Killerbee,

Joker, I mean Broker--do us all a favor and read the following statement out loud..

"I'm sofa king we todd it!!!!!"
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-30-09 AT 08:01AM (MST)[p]+1 Bee. What an ignorant Post! No wonder why America is in the shape it is because of sense-less ramblings as this! Good luck on your edeavor! I will have my NR tag next year!! And I will enjoy coming to "your" state and shooting "your" deer and breathing "your" air, drinking "your" water! Oh wait I just spent 1500.00 in your state. What was I thinking. I hope you get a tag someday:( Tears for you!!
 
I think this is the wrong attitude for a hunter to have. We are all in this together, as resident hunters and non-resident hunters.
If you want to hunt every year, expand your horizon and hunt other states.

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Measure wealth by the things you have,, for which you would not take money.
 
BROKER......THIS IS JUST ANOTHER WAY TO DIVIDE OUR HUNTING COMMUNITY, MAKE US BICKER BETWEEN OURSELVES, EXHIBIT SHALLOW- NARROW MINDED IDEAS, & MAKE IT EASIER FOR THE NON HUNTING GROUPS TO HAVE IT THEIR WAY. YOU NEED TO SEE THE WHOLE PICTURE (360 DEGREES) BEFORE YOU ATTEMPT ANOTHER POST ON MM.......WITH OUT A THOUGHT PATTERN. .......THINK ABOUT IT..........YD.
 
That is an idea...
Let's take it one step further. The people who pay the most taxes in Utah should get tags first. I don't think sarcasm comes across very well on line but if it's not, it should be dripping from this post. If all residents should be allowed to hunt before nonresidents then residents should be restricted to only hunting state land. NO federal land hunts. How does that one sound ?thebroker??
 
well with the childish responce it has obviously hit a cord with many. How many states baordering utah does a person have to draw a tag in there state it is my exsperience in Idaho washington oregon wyoming colorado that a resident who does not draw a specific tag for an area can then go buy a general season dear tag simular to what we do for general elk here in utah. There will be left over Northern tags again this year so I will have my tag as well as one in idaho wyoming and maybe colorado... so thats not the issue . the idea is simple make more tags available to residents of the state first by a date then allow the non residents to apply for what is left .. I find it funny that grown men and women on MM would read and personally attack an idea or me as a person , if you cant say something nice or at least half way educated then dont say it at all .. further more GOT YA like this idea would ever happen in a million years
 
So let me get this straight, you troll this site looking for a response, get one, and then complain about the responses. Please! Like you said:

>"if you can't
>say something nice or at
>least half way educated then
>don't say it at all?

I think your original idea and entire reason for the post is at best "half way educated".
 
That's such a stupid statement!! You need to get your hear on straight and remember that National Forest, Government land, BLM, or public land is owned by the people of the United States not the state you live in. It should be an equal draw for all US citizens no matter what state you live in. There shouldn't be more tags for residents and less for non residents. This is all wrong the way the states do the draw as it is now. Wake up, get a clue!!!
 
thats is Broker I'm putting a hex on your chances of ever drawing a deer tag in Utah like I did against the RAIDERS AND WINNING...
(must be a cowboys fan's)

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I say take away conservation tags and give more res and non res. tags. You could charge more and make all out of state aplicants buy a liscence first like you do in other states. This would make up alot of the money raised by the auctioned tags. Non res. tags are not the problem conservation tags are!
 
You know i was a resident in Utah foe 45yrs now am a resident in Nv.what about all the tax dollars ut would lose from nr buying food gas motel rooms residents do not spend near the $s that nr do maybe it woild impact your livelyhood in some way maybe not since nv does not have a state tax what would that mean plus i think both the forest service land and the blm are federally controlled of which i and every nr pays taxes on what about all the bonus points that nr have earned you just going to tell them tough $hit Get real man
 
I agree with the last post very well thought out. As well as the land owner and deperdation tags.. NR spend alot of money yes as I do in 3 other states I hunt, it may be federal land but it is controlled and managed by the stat.e should we let big brother in on this one and manage and controll the federal land game now. instead of state animals there now federal animals.. Look like I said The residents that pay state, federal, property, sales tax, and work for 30 cents on there dollar should have first choice and opportunity to put some state meat on there table..
 
You make a point that residents SHOULD have first crack at the animals in our state... But you're laying the blame at the feet of Non-residents (Many of which probably love and cherish our state, and animal a much as you do) and that isn't hwere you should be laying blame. This is the wrong fight...

True blame for you not getting a tag can be laid at the feet of our Wildlife Board and the DWR... Unfortunately for us Muley hunters in Utah, our state has been very hung up on elk populations over the last couple decades. and have managed the majority of our state accordingly. More unfortunately, mule deer and elk do not co-habitate very well. No trophy elk unit in Utah is also a trophy deer unit, and vice-versa. Lower deer numbers have resulted, and as another result, lower deer tag numbers.

Do not blame non-residents for poor management on our state's part... I only hope to someday hunt in another state and I will be grateful to that state for allowing me to. Sure I wish there were more tags for residents... but it is a 2-way street my friend... we can't all hunt the Henries, and the Kaibab every year...
 
most tags (usually 80-95%) in all the states are allocated to residents plus the NR's pay a much higher fee to come and hunt 'the other' state. isnt that benefit enough for the resident?

Travis
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Following in that logic, when you visit Texas, I don't think you should be able to drive on any state roads. Federal roads (interstate) would be OK, but you don't pay taxes in my state, so you shouldn't be allowed to utilize the resource? After all, you would be creating wear and tear that should be reserved for residents?

yeah, that is stretching logic, but when you already get 90% of the limited tags, and don't want to share any, that makes about as much sense as my above statement.

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
 
Just remember friends.

It could be a whole lot worse.

Let's give thanks to Nevada Senator Harry Reid for federal legislation reaffirming the authority of states to manage fish & game ? S.339 (2005).

??Allowing states to distinguish and/or discriminate between residents and non-residents ensures the protection of state wildlife and protects resident hunting and fishing opportunities.
Protecting the public interest of individual states? conservation efforts. Sportsmen and local organizations are extremely active in the conservation of fish and game. They support wildlife conservation through taxes, fees, and locally led non-profit conservation efforts??

This was in response to a lawsuit filed against the State of Nevada by New Mexico outfitters a few years ago claiming the state's big game tag quota system discriminated against nonresident hunters.

I have no problem allocating around 10% of Nevada?s big game tags to non-rez, though I wouldn't want it any higher. These few non-rez tags bring in major money to NDOW - $120.00 vs $1200.00 for desert sheep tags.

How many people would be willing to pay the out of state fees for your in state tags?!?

Mining, it works for Nevada - Badger
 
thebroker (205 posts)
Apr-29-09, 09:08 PM (MST)
9. "RE: No More Non resident Tags"
we pay the state taxes we should have state privlages ....


You do, look at how the tags are split..CLOWN!

Mike
 
TxHunter58... Your logic is not a stretch at all, in fact, I think you may just have the best example of why non-residents should be allocated SOME of the tags...same reason why tourists are encouraged to visit, and use resources in other states... GREAT POST!!!!
 
I say offer all Utah tags to non-residents first, and if there are any left over, they can be distributed among the residents through a drawing or whatever. Of course residents would be able to shoot all the coyotes they want.:)

This thread is ridiculus.

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Great idea! Now go hunt OLNY on state or privately owned land. Don't you dare hunt on any Federal land because I will guarantee you that I pay one hell of a lot more in Federal taxes than you do.
The UT G&F dept derives a huge percentageof its budget from NR hunters. Man you do not have a clue, do you.
 
I WANT A FEDERAL TAG TO HUNT ALL THE FED'S LAND IN EVERY STATE. FOR 1 DOLLAR.
And a couple of hot chicks in camp every night.


"I have found if you go the extra mile it's Never crowded".
 
What a worthless post.

I live in Utah, and hunt most of the Western states. I'd like to welcome the non-resident hunters here, just like I would like to be welcome in their states.

Give a little and take a little and it works better for everyone.
 
Broker,

You apparently failed to take advantage of one of the most important state privileges, education.

Bean
 
Guess I should have fought for just my state when I was in the military and not for america...
If you don't live in Michigan you can't own a car.
If you don't live in Nevada you can't go to Las Vegas, ect. ect. & on and on...

Lightin up, were all only here for a little while.
 
Broker, only Nevada has a higher percentage of federal land than Utah. Every American citizen owns that land.

Many states apply $0.00 from state tax to wildlife, it is wholly funded by license revenues and federal grants. So residents have no more say than non-residents.

Plus the majority of wildlife revenue comes from non-residents.

It is a terrible idea on every level.

Grey
 
Heck,

Lets talk about National Forests that are managaed by the BLM and the Forest Service. All federal gov't run yet tags fall under the authority of the state! Why?

I'm a good tax paying citizen, why can't I apply for a Kaibab tag in Arizona an American. I should have the same chance of drawing as someone in Utah, Arizona or anyother state for that matter! We all own it! Talk about B.S.
 
Well look it got a lot of you talking so there must be a problumn . I am surprised at the Federalistic attitude some have shared ,, O that right I am not eductated so say some of you . its a problumn when a resident of the state can not hunt in his or her own state . Like it or not its not fair and some what unconstitutional. I wonder how a judge would rule on the matter if a suit of discremination was brought before the bench. Maybe I will enter just such a suit of discremination against the state . O that right this was a stupid post and I am uneducated I have to keep in mind what everyone wrote here.Seems to me the educated readers read and moved on the uneducated of course had to slam the post and me personally . seems obviouse to me who is and who isnt .
 
Your wrong, get over it!!! Unconstitutional for the tags to not be spread out evenly among all tax payers no matter what state they are from. Wake up!
 
Just exactly, what is it that you "broker"? I suspect that you don't have much human contact.....at least not English speaking humans.

Your ideas, along with the complete slaughter of the English language, are what led to the comment regarding your education.
 
I broker hot sexy girls on state street . and accept no non residents .just local tax payers for my gals
 
I think we all have rights to every state. We have a very close family friend who comes up and hunts with us from Texas. We have done this for years and years. It's a tradition.
 
thebroker,
Genius idea........ and in Washington no non- resident gets any apppels, in Idaho no non-residents gets Potatoes, in Main no non-residnt gets any Lobsters ect.... until every resident gets there fill, or maybe you could talk Utah into stop SELLING a huge number of there tags to the highest bidder. Just a thought or ya, you could stop the ones who pay for the ones that finance the majority of the Fish and game that way you could have your tax's raised in order to pay for your deer hunt. And it would most likely be a trophy forked horn, somewhere in the monster rang of 10-12" spreed and of course there would be 10 assistant hunter's in the photo that help in harvest of that fully mature animal.
 

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