Choosing Camo

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I have my first western hunting trip all planned out. Now the last thing I need to purchase is camo. I am hunting in North West Wyoming, South of Greybull. The area is hill country with lots of rock and shrub brush.

The two patterns I am considering are Predator deception or fall gray. Will either of these patterns be a good choice for this area, or it there a better pattern?
 
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predator or Max-1 HD

("For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. Ephesians 2:8-9")
 
I absolutely love the Mothwing design that Sitka uses. Blends in very well with rock, sage and brush. Not great in yellow grass but it doesn't sound like you'll be in that kind of terrain. If you are then Carhartt brown is seriously a good choice. fatrooster.
 
Kings Desert Shadow for sure. Great pattern and Cabelas has them on sale right now for over 50% off.

You can get pants shirt for under $30. The pants alone retail for $49
 
Thanks for the replys. I realize that the object is to break up your outline, and match the natural colors of your hunting area.

Does anyone hunt in Military digital desert camo? If so how does it work.
 
If your rifle hunting, it probabbly doesn't matter what camo you wear. I usually just wear neutral colors and try and stay off the skyline.
 
If ANY camo worked at all, there wouldn't be dead soldiers.

Match the camo to the gravy you are having for dinner, then you won't have to change clothes so often. That is about all it really accomplishes.
 
Seriously, anything to break the outline will help. I think it is more important that you miss match your shirt/jacket and your pants than what the actual pattern is. I used to bow hunt with old brown slacks and a plaid shirt. Animals didn't seem to notice me any more then, than they do now when I wear camos. Your best camo is to remain motionless. If they see your movement, your camo isn't going to make much difference.
 
I would go with predator or asat, or if your rich you could go with the new optifade camo found only on sitka clothing.
 
Said it before and I will say it again: the best camo is the one on sale!

Buy for material, buy for function, but don't spend any extra money on a specific camo pattern.

Look at websites of guys who consistently kill big trophies. Just as often as not, they have on something like "outfitters camo" which as patterns go is as old as the hills.

Break up your outline with a cheap pattern and go hunting.

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
 
>If ANY camo worked at all,
>there wouldn't be dead soldiers.
>
>
> Match the camo to the
>gravy you are having for
>dinner, then you won't have
>to change clothes so often.
>That is about all it
>really accomplishes.


Just curious... How many ungulates are killing soldiers nowadays?! Animals with eyes on the sides of their heads have a much wider field of vision than humans. Because of this, they also give up alot in terms of vision. They mostly see the blue, gray, green, spectrum and have a very difficult time picking up any reds. Their vision is also not as clear as ours, where we see 20/20, they are more like 20/40. Watch a black and white movie and squint your eyes and you will get an idea of what its like. They do not care what pattern you use (thats just for fashion), you only need to worry about not appearing human. If you can break up your outline, then great. The digital army stuff works well, also if you want to drop some coin... try the new sitka stuff.
 
I agree with much of what has already been said. I don't try to match my surroundings, I try to blend. Most of the terrain in the west has some element of a beige, tan, or light green (sage color). Basically, if you stay away from the darker colors, whether it be dark green, blue, black purple, whatever, you should somewhat blend with some elements of the backgrounds.

Try to keep something behind you when you're sitting and waiting, so that your human outline doesn't silhouette against the sky, and you should be fine. After all, you're probably going to be wearing orange on at least part of you anyway.

That said, my favorite is outfitter camo that you can get at Cabela's, and I also think NaturalGear, Predator, Max-1 and even realtree AP would probably blend just as well. some of the others like King's seem to have a light base color to them as well.

I also strongly agree with texhunter58. Buy for material versus pattern. Get the polyester stuff that won't soak up moisture like the dri-fit type material and the fleeces, and wear a good shell to keep the wind and rain or snow off of you and you should be fine.

As far as animals seeing the color your wearing, it's my understanding that deer see the color blue better than anything. Of course countless bucks are killed by guys in blue jeans every year, so go figure. Good luck in Wyoming this fall.

WH
 
i love this subject.
1st
lets agree that until some one invents a way to talk to deer, and put up flash cards asking mr deer what he see's there is not ONE SINGLE BIT of evidence about what deer, elk, moose, bear see.

cammo is made to sell, sell sell.

scent,noise and motion will bust you 100% more times that what your wearing.

commercial cammo is basically all the same 2dimentional with some color changes.

unless you go to a 3d style, ie ghille suit. your not concealing anything.

Predator .........my favorite......hahaha, ANYTHING with large BLACK stripes will not conceal anything EVER. zebras hide very well right.....

if you have scent awareness, no motion, and no noise you can wear a blaze orange poncho and have deer lick your A@@.

cammo on a western rifle hunt. orange and cammo work great together...what a joke!
cammo when riding a 4 wheeler. what a joke
cammo while sitting in your truck road hunting......just silly

cammo is the biggest scam there is, it is pounded into everyones brain that if you have cammo on you are invisible. it just aint so.

this all being said, i an a total hypocrite, i own just about every kind there is >EXCEPT PREDATOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i like cabelas open country, kings.. ext

the only exception to my rant is on the snow, snow requires something white, open country snow patten is hard to beat.


in conclusion, cammo is not an fixall for poor field craft.

just my opinon

good luck









I live life one mule deer at a time.
 
This is my favorite pattern.

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--I'm looking for a man... who calls himself Bucho! That's all! And you had to do it, the hard way!--
 
>i love this subject.
>1st
> lets agree that until some
>one invents a way to
>talk to deer, and put
>up flash cards asking mr
>deer what he see's there
>is not ONE SINGLE BIT
>of evidence about what deer,
>elk, moose, bear see

This is just one of many:


It's happened to nearly every deer hunter?for no apparent reason a deer spots you from a distance through heavy cover. Why? Was it your scent, your noise, your movement, or perhaps what you were wearing? While all hunters agree that deer have an amazing ability to detect movement, the consensus regarding their ability to see color is far less unanimous.
While the debate over deer vision is not new, it has intensified in recent years as more states have required hunters to wear blaze orange clothing while hunting. Many hunters are concerned that wearing blaze orange reduces their chances of success.

Another topic of debate is camouflage clothing. During the past decade, there has been a tremendous increase in the number and variety of camouflage patterns available to hunters. This has occurred despite little knowledge of what game animals actually see.

A more recent question is whether or not deer can see ultraviolet (UV) light. UV light is the type of light that causes your clothes to ?glow? when near insect zappers or nightclub lights. The connection with hunting is that many laundry products and dyes used in the manufacture and care of hunting clothing contain ?color brighteners? or more technically, UV ?enhancers.? This is why clothes containing these products look ?brighter? and ?whiter? to the human eye. In fact, it has been proposed that hunters wearing UV treated clothes actually emit a ?glow? that deer can see in low light conditions.

Fortunately, arguments on deer vision can largely be laid to rest due to the results of the most advanced deer vision study ever undertaken. This study revealed many previously unknown facts regarding deer vision. I was fortunate to participate in this study while working
as a Wildlife Research Coordinator for The University of Georgia.

What is Vision?
Before discussing the results of the study, it is important to understand the basics of vision. First of all, what is vision? Vision occurs when light enters the eye and is absorbed by specialized cells located in the back of the eye. These cells respond to the light and send a signal to the brain which is translated into sight. The color perceived by the brain is determined by the wavelength of light reflected. In other words, objects do not actually have color they simply reflect light of a particular wavelength that our brain perceives as color. The spectrum of color ranges from ultraviolet on the short end of the spectrum to infrared on the long end of the spectrum. Humans can see the range of colors between, but not including, these two extremes.

Understanding the general make-up of the eye also is important. In all mammals, the retina, located at the back of the eye, consists of two types of light sensitive cells called rods and cones. Rods function in the absence, or near absence, of light and permit vision in darkness. Cones function in full light and permit daytime and color vision. Humans can see a wide range of colors because we have three types of cones in our eye. One is sensitive to short wavelength light (blue), one is sensitive to middle wavelength light (green) and the third is sensitive to long wavelength light (red). This three-color, or trichromatic, vision is the most advanced form of color vision known.

Differences Between a Deer's Eye and a Human's
Prior to our study, we reviewed the existing information on deer vision with some interesting findings. First, deer have a higher concentration of rods (nighttime cells) than humans, but a lower concentration of cones (daytime and color cells). Therefore, deer have better nighttime vision than humans but poorer daytime and color vision.

Second, deer have a pupil that opens wider than ours. This allows more light to be gathered in low light conditions. Third, deer have a reflective layer in the back of their eye called a tapetum that causes their eyes to shine at night. The tapetum acts as a mirror and reflects the light not absorbed by the receptor cells when it enters the eye the first time back across the cells for a second chance. In other words, deer get to use the same light twice while humans get to use it only once.

A fourth difference found between a deer's eye and a human's gives us some idea of their ability to see UV light. The human eye is protected by a filter that blocks about 99 percent of UV light from entering the eye. This filter protects our eye, much like a pair of sunglasses. It also allows us to focus more sharply on fine detail. The trade-off for having this filter is a severe loss of sensitivity to short wavelength colors, especially those in the UV spectrum.

Deer, on the other hand, do not have a UV filter. Therefore, they see much better in the UV spectrum but lack the ability to see fine detail. This explains why deer often move their head from side to side when they encounter a hunter. Since deer lack this filter, they would be expected to see a greater difference in UV treated fabrics than humans.

The Study
In August 1992, a group of leading deer researchers and vision scientists gathered at The University of Georgia (UGA) in Athens to conduct this landmark study. The group of researchers included Drs. R. Larry Marchinton and Karl V. Miller, and myself from UGA, Dr. Gerald H. Jacobs and Jess Degan from the University of California, and Dr. Jay Neitz from the Medical College of Wisconsin. This study was made possible due to a highly sophisticated computer system developed by Dr. Jacobs. This system is based on the principle that an electrical response is produced when light enters the eye. The computer interprets these responses and translates them into a ?scientific best guess? of what deer can actually see.

Findings of the Study
The results of our study confirmed that deer possess two (rather than three as in humans) types of cones allowing limited color vision (Figure 1). The cone that deer lack is the ?red? cone, or the one sensitive to long wavelength colors such as red and orange. This suggests that wearing bright colors while hunting does not affect hunting success. This does not mean that these colors are invisible to deer, but rather that they are perceived differently.

Deer are essentially red-green color blind like some humans. Their color vision is limited to the short (blue) and middle (green) wavelength colors. As a result, deer likely can distinguish blue from red, but not green from red, or orange from red. Therefore, it appears that hunters would be equally suited wearing green, red, or orange clothing but perhaps slightly disadvantaged wearing blue.

The results regarding the UV capabilities of deer were equally fascinating. Our results confirmed that deer lack a UV filter in their eye and that their vision in the shorter wavelengths was much better than ours. Deer also were found to have a relatively high sensitivity (good vision) in the short wavelengths where UV brighteners and dyes are active.
While not entirely conclusive, this finding suggests that deer are capable of seeing some UV light and that fabrics containing UV dyes and brighteners may be more visible to deer than to humans.

Implications for Hunters
What do the results of this study mean for hunters? Should you throw away all of your camouflage clothes? Definitely not. It is important to keep the findings of this study in perspective. There is no question that scent and movement are far more important than the color of your clothing or whether or not it contains UV brighteners.

As far as a deer's senses are concerned, their daytime and color vision is pretty average. In fact, the actual color of the fabric is relatively unimportant as long as the pattern blends with your surroundings. Therefore, camouflage clothing is still recommended. In contrast, solid unbroken patterns, especially of light colors, are not recommended. Similarly, garments made from vinyl or plastic can alert deer because they reflect light. This works much like the glare from a blued gun barrel. It is not the color of the barrel that alerts the game, but rather the light the barrel reflects. The best of both worlds would be a product that provides both camouflage for concealment and blaze orange for safety. Such camouflage blaze orange hunting apparel is available but unfortunately is not legal in many states.

Should hunters be concerned about the UV brightness of their clothes? Perhaps. Keep in mind that this would only be problem during low light conditions such as early morning and late evening. However, this is when deer are most active. One option is to stop washing your hunting clothes in laundry products containing ?brighteners.? This may prove difficult because most laundry products currently available contain these agents. However, there are now products available that eliminate UV light from clothing. Should you purchase such a product? This is difficult to answer. Hunters have been successfully harvesting deer for hundreds of years without the aid of such products. However, armed with our latest knowledge it remains possible, even likely, that such a product may help. On the other hand, it definitely can't hurt.

Article provided by the Quality Deer Management Association www.qdma.com
 
>Kings Desert Shadow for sure. Great
>pattern and Cabelas has them
>on sale right now for
>over 50% off.
>
>You can get pants shirt for
>under $30. The pants alone
>retail for $49


Tayhot....Good Heads Up!! I just bought a bunch of King's Desert Shadow and also the Cabela's Super Mesh cause it too is on sale for about half price and is a good pair with the King's!! $68 bucks delivered for 5 Shirts and two pairs of pants...WTF - GREAT DEAL, GREAT FIND!!


?-ERock-> ?
 
Material - First
Background color - Second (Vast majority are tooooooo dark for western hunting)
Pattern - Last

Predator, or good ole Outfitter.
 
Yeah sitka is nice stuff. Just have to take a second mortgage to afford it!
 
trevriv

thanks for the essay, a mind numbing read if there ever was one.
i can cut and past just as many "studies" the say just the opposite, but like i said, all it is is just using anatomy to make a guess, until they can talk we will never know.


you did bring up a few points of interest though,
material, any reflective type is a no brainer, it is not natural, it is usually also very noisy,

for that reason i like polar fleece type, but that also holds scent , so it has drawbacks too.

until the last few years cammo was made for tree stand hunting in the south east to the midwest, it was and still is to dark, and green for out here, it is getting alot better finally

do you remember mossy oak? the original? that stuff is just wrong anywhere.


lastly UV.
EVERY PIECE OF COLORED CLOTHING HAS BRIGHTENERS. and the lighter the color the more it will "glow" just a fact of life, i use sport wash no glow no scent, and under a black light there is a very dramatic difference.

now does this make a difference to deer? i don't know, and no one else does either!

the best ones for UV seam to be NATURAL fibers, wool is a great example, it won't glow period.

anyway, i have said my fill, wear what works for you,

me i will be sporting my ted nudgent stripped man thong and boots in the morning chasin deer.

........i wonder if i should wash my A@@ in sport wash? i would hate to glow in the dark!







I live life one mule deer at a time.
 
>trevriv
>
>thanks for the essay, a mind
>numbing read if there ever
>was one.
>
Yes, But you did read it! LOL
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-04-09 AT 08:42AM (MST)[p]The article from the Quality Deer Management Assoc. is pretty much dead on.

Deer do not need to talk; a sophisticated lab instrument known as an electroretinograph can readily measure how they see color.

I was present at the Southeast Deer Symposium where the research results were presented to a group of about 120 deer biologists.

The reason I attended was to write an article for OUTDOOR LIFE, which was published over five full pages in 1994. It was the first and most definitive article done in regards to how deer see color, especially the UV part of the spectrum.

Nothing has changed since then; deer, other ungulates, predators and many other animals, such as dogs and horses, still see the same way. Thus, except for turkey or waterfowl, camo color is basically a non-issue. Go for a large pattern, such as ASAT, that won't block up at a distance. And forget how the camo looks to YOUR eye; it's meaningless.

The photos below show the actual testing being done on anesthesized deer at the U of GA deer research facility.

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TONY MANDILE
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outdoor writter.
"Thus, except for turkey or waterfowl, camo color is basically a non-issue. Go for a large pattern, such as ASAT, that won't block up at a distance. And forget how the camo looks to YOUR eye; it's meaningless."

great statement!

go slow, be quiet, have scent awareness. and kill deer, it ain't a fashion show




I live life one mule deer at a time.
 
I have been wearing the Micro-tex in Outfitters camo from Cabellas for years.Great all around camo.I did just get some Kings Mountain and Desert shadow as gift,also excellent gear.I do wear Carhart brown too,just depends on terrain.
 
If yer gonna be sporting blaze orange all over yer chest and head, go with a good sagebrush pattern. The critters will have yer torso pegged a mile away. But they'll never see yer legs or feet coming...
 
If hunting a state where the law says you must where orange, nothing looks more silly to me than seeing someone wearing full camo underneath. I'm just saying.

To me, more important than what camo to get or wear, is how comfortable i'll be wearing what i have on. Weather will dictate what and how much i wear any particular day. I want to be able to have full range of motion without fabric restraints so polyester fleece and polypropylene is my usual go to choice. Stay downwind of your prey, move slow, glass a lot. These three things are much more important, IMO, than any high dollar matching camo that you can buy.

Where i live, orange is not required. What i do have, i bought the cheapest yet good material stuff i could find in my size. There are plenty of costs connected to hunting already, feeding the hype, high dollar camo is a fairly new thing and we got by just fine for the last 40 years or so without it.

If you have to extra coin to drop on a set of the "best", go for it but remember my opening paragraph. :)

Joey
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-05-09 AT 10:21AM (MST)[p]RE: blaze orange

This is how humans see it with our trichromatic (three-color) vision as a result of having lots of color photoreceptors (cones) that are sensitive to all parts of the color spectrum -- i.e red,blue & green rays.

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This is how deer, other ungulates (hooved critters), predators and even dogs and cats see it with their dichromatic vision (two-color), which includes cones to see only in the blue and green part of the spectrum.

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Obviously, a solid orange vest might be a bit more visible than one in blaze orange camo because it's not a broken pattern as below.

What we see:

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What deer see:

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Now, for decades, hunters wore the ol' red plaid shirt with great success; Here's why.

What we see:

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What deer see:

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TONY MANDILE
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Tony, Interesting examples and i don't doubt that they are close to what a deer actually sees. One thing i do wonder about though is how i am able to see blaze orange so well when i can't see other colors hardly at all. I have been put through some pretty stringent tests for my color vision and have been told that i'm up in the 95% severity for males that have "some" color blindness. I can't even tell green from brown or maroon from black...lots of colors give me major troubles yet i see the blue and orange colors pretty well. Often i have wondered that maybe deer have similar vision, color wise, to mine. Any thoughts on this?

Joey
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-05-09 AT 02:43PM (MST)[p]Joey,

Color blindeness in humans takes many forms. The most severe form of color blindness is achromatopsia, where everything a person sees is B&W.

In general, the upper end of the spectrum -- reds and oranges -- is the part humans with normal vision see best. This is the main reason why blaze orange stands out so well for us!

Unlike you, however, some folks can't see red at all -- i.e. they can't tell if a stoplight is actually red or green. And this -- the most common form - is the one that closely mimics how the animals I listed earlier see. They lack the cones that are sensitive to red, thus they see most colors as browns, tans and yellows. Again, it's known as dichromatic vision

Incidentally, none of this about animal vision and the UV thingie is speculation or opinion. Even before the U of GA research project on deer, the military and several universities had done much research on the subject.

The University of Texas Agricultural Research Center was one of the early ones to debunk the ol' "deer see in black in white" theory. The military project showed that dogs can indeed see the UV reflectance from fabrics with brighteners in it. Like a deer, dog do not have the same UV filter as is present in the HUMAN eye, and they also have the tapetum explained below.

The one thing animals do have over us, though, is there ability to see at night because their eyes contain many more times the number of rods than the human eye does. The rods are what control night vision; we have many less. In contrast, the cones, which work only in daylight, provide color and sharpness. The lack of lots of cones is why animal vision is not as sharp as ours is. Although they could never read a newspaper, they can see quite a distance.

Animals also have what is called a tapetum at the rear of the eye. This reflects light back a 2nd time to the cones and rods after it initially passes through. We see this working at night when we get a critter in the headlights, causing its eyes to glow. What you're seeing is the light reflection from the tapetum.

If you what you like to read the entire article I wrote for Outdoor Life, just holler. Unfortunately it won't have the 1/2 dozen charts and graphs that went along with it.

TONY MANDILE
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Tony, thanks for responding. Red is a awful color for me. I usually can guess it if it's a bright red but say a red car on a overcast day, it just looks dark. Even worse is following a blood trail. I've talked of the old equipment that we used back in the late 60's and early 70's when i used to bow hunt but the difficulties i had in seeing and following a blood trail also played a part in giving up that part of our sport.

Joey
 
If not in direct sunlight, i see the black and a lighter contrasting color that i know from experience must be, assume to be red. That's why when younger, i didn't see the reasoning in guys wearing that pattern when i didn't see it, pick it up so well.

I see the lighter colors...or at least those are the colors that stand out. Light blue, yellow, light green(most of the time mistaken for yellow), but throw some red in with blue to make purple... i see blue. I know, it's weird but it is... :)

Joey
 
But what does the contrasting color (red) in the vest look like here on the screen in the message above???

BTW, after your last two messages, it sounds as if you are indeed red-color blind and do see similar to deer. But I still don't understand why you can see blaze and not red. The blaze is even at a higher nanometer on the spectrum than is red. Blaze is just short of the infrared part of the spectrum, which we can't see. The UV is at the opposite end, below blue.

TONY MANDILE
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LAST EDITED ON Sep-05-09 AT 04:20PM (MST)[p]Joey,

These are a couple illustrations I put together for another article I did on predator vision. The chart would basically be the same for ungulates, however.

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This is a chart comparing human eyes with a deer's.

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TONY MANDILE
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LAST EDITED ON Sep-05-09 AT 05:25PM (MST)[p]"But what does the contrasting color (red) in the vest look like here on the screen in the message above???"


In the upper one, there is enough light that i would fairly certainly guess that it was red. not sure though that if you put certain shades of brown or green in there as a trick, that i wouldn't also say that it was red. all three of those colors are about the same darkness to me. At times, that's all that i can go on, that and knowing things, that grass is green, sky is blue,...The bottom vest looks black and tan or brown. I say tan or brown, it tuff to describe what i see in terms of color. Again, i go mostly by shades and then guessing from experience what that color is, that i'm looking at, which is it most likely to be.

The lighter colors though are what stand out, to me. As i said yellow, light green, light blue, and especially orange. To me, all these colors are bright bright, even in low light, and they stand out like a silver dollar on a dark carpet. I may not know exactly what color i'm looking at but i certainly can pick it out of the normal background of browns, reds, and greens, and "see" it. Tuff to explain i guess but like i said, i've been examined by professionals and have been told that i'm a rare case.

Joey
 
No, not really. it could be the top one cause red is that shade but that's the best i can do.

No, i see no image there. more than likely if there is a image there, it is the same shade as that base color.
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-05-09 AT 05:54PM (MST)[p]I guess I didn't match the shade of the box to the other color too well. LOL

There is no red in the first lined image. The top line is sort of dark brown. In the 2nd, the square is red, as you guessed.

The other has the # 37 in a pinkish red in it. I went over it in black so you can see it.

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TONY MANDILE
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Well anyway Tony, just thought i pipe in with i have been dealing with all my life and that i've wondered if deer had vision similar to mine. If your dots were in orange, depending how big they were i may not have been able to see that either. I have at one time completely memorized "The Color Blind Test Book", dot's in circles, by the location and amount of dark colored dots near the top of the circle. It was for a job i was highly qualified for and had dreamed of all my younger life, i ended up failing the test and not getting the job after the test giver noticed hesitation in my giving the correct answers so she gave it again and again until the jig was up, i couldn't see any of the numbers in the book past the first two pages.

It's when i see a decent patch of the color orange, like a distant hillside, that it really stands out. Thought it was worth mentioning for the sake of the topic but i'm tiring of it now and will prolly take a nap! ;-)

Joey
 
I must be color blind as well I was told there was a red hat in this photo but I have yet to find it...


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no hat

outdoor writer, no doubt you know a some about the science of vision, but i am still unconvinced at what a deer really sees,

oh well, i'll do what i do and keep on filling the freezer.


now back to looking for that red hat!



live life one mule deer at a time.
 
i found the last 10 post very interesting really. i know one thing OUTDOORWRITER knows a heck of alot more about deers vision than i do. if not he makes one heck of a case for himself.

i know people who are color blind, and really never gave it much thought on the dissadvantage they have. great info thanks
 
Great job with the post guys. I have seen that article about how deer see somewhere else online. Great read. Surely, this thread will be able to help out many people with the same questions I had about camo.
 
ya
ever drive from georgia to here by way of I 80? the worlds seemed pretty flat there too.

as far as beliefs go good grief, i know the easter bunny was real, he is on the mantle with horns on his head.

science proves alot of things, and alot of things are theory,
maybe they see IR who the hell cares?

don't waste you $$$$ on looking good,

what i'm saying is production cammo is basicly all garbage, not one piece will work everywhere everytime, real concealment is made from your surroundings.

go buy some quality scent eliminator, watch your wind and be freakin quiet. wear a tutu and you will still kill deer.



I live life one mule deer at a time.
 

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