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Rotorhead :
Can you give out some more information, like town, county, type stuff.
He looks like a Henry's Mtn Buck, I thought I have seen pictures of this buck somewhere before.


"I have found if you go the extra mile it's Never crowded".
 
I used to hunt Kolob for elk. The best thing about it is everone is shooting on someone else's land, and your always hunting on somone else's land, even if its your own.

I quit hunting there because you cant enjoy a trophy if you get one. I was with a buddy when he shot a 380 bull on private property that borders the park. you wouldnt believe the stories that came from people. It was said the bull was taken in the park. It was said the bull was taken at night. It was said the bull was taken on property we didn't have permission to hunt. For every person that congradulated him, he had 5 that said he was a poacher and a liar. We have a friend that is the wildlife officer for the area and he said he had about 32 different reports of poaching on this one bull. He laughed at that because he knew where, and what, and how. Sure is funny how so many people know everything about a hunt or kill without ever being there. Its also pretty funny how there are no poaching stories told about the 2 points and spikes killed every year. Maybe the only possible way to take a truely big mule deer is to poach it. It surely wouln't be possible to take it leagaly!

The next year we were about an hour into a good afternoon nap on the side of the road when another hunter ran up to us, jumped in my face and told me he had just seen us 2 miles away on private land. #1- he drove to where we were and I would of had to run on foot to be there at the same time, and #2 I had the biggest sleep lines on my face from a well deserved nap, and #3 my buddy was dead asleep under a tree and woke up half way through the fight. But he was still sure it was us, and even said he had a picture on his camera to prove it. Turns out the picture wasn't us after all.

You Kolob boys can keep it. There's more drama on that hill than a daytime soap!

So when the investigation is over and its all said and done, will you still rush on here to tell us the outcome. I would love to hear a follow up.
 
LAST EDITED ON Sep-24-09 AT 10:56PM (MST)[p]I heard about the poaching/trespassing incident first hand from the people that said they caught Mike Hirschi on there. Apparantly the DWR went in and took DNA samples. We'll find out the true story soon enough. Innocent until proven guilty. If the story is true it will be disappointing.

There was another thread about this a week or so ago that was quickly deleted. So Mike let's hear your side of the story. Were you on private land or is this all a big fabrication?
 
That buck was taken on public land. This is a great example of that game you would play in school where you get a bunch of people in a circle and start a story and by the time it comes full circle its so ass backwards there is hardly any truth to it. you guys don't know what your talking about.
 
Nail were you there. I wasn't. I was told the story from the folks that went into the property with the warden to take samples. I also said: innocent until proven guilty. I know Mike pretty well and was surprised to hear about this. Like I said, we'll find out soon enough. I'm not making any accusations or assumptions. He could very well be innocent.

But it sounds like you were there so let's hear the real story. Or are you playing the game you accuse others of. The facts are only Mike and whoever was there knows what happened.
 
I think I will wait until the whole story comes out.


"I have found if you go the extra mile it's Never crowded".
 
Bob, was i there when mike arrowed him? no. have i seen toby (the buck he killed) and where he lived with mike? yes. I am not guessing or saying i think i know , I am saying i know that it was taken off public land. I know mike really well and for people to say this stuff about him is so bunk but everybody has there own thoughts. The area that you guys are talking about this buck coming out of is not ever remotely close to where toby lived and was harvested. As far as the story its not mine to tell but it is a doozie. I thought your post was pretty neutral bob i was talking about what rotorhead had posted.
 
nails33
I know mike pretty well myself! I know how hard mike scouts, and how serious mike takes deer hunting! I was not accusing mike of anything! I was simply stating what had been told to me by one of his own family members! I also know first hand the property mike had permission to hunt this year! From what I got told by his own family member it was not shot on this property! If mike shot this buck off public land congratulations to mike I have no problem with that! Knowing mike it was probably well desereved!
 
I just want to say that I've know Mike for some time and I use to think a lot of him, not any more.

Let me tell you what I know about this, Mike was caught trespassing the first two weekends of the bow hunt, the first weekend he had shot a buck and was tracking it and never found it . Both times he was told to stay off the property. Mike admitted that to the fish & game. Mike showed video to the fish and game of where they killed the buck, and the fish and game was satisfied that the buck was not killed on private property. Mike killed the buck the third week end. The investigation is still on going about the trespassing. Mike clams that where he enter the property it was not posted. The Land owner and fish and game are checking it out. Mike is using a loop hole to get out of the trespassing tickets. Mike was caught trespassing last year on the same property and was told to stay off. Let's just say the land owner is fed up with Mike.

Now let me ask you this if Mike knows where the buck was that he killed, why he was on private property hunting another buck. that's what you should ask Mike. The sad thing is that he has had his kids with him when he was doing this, so what is he teaching his kids?
bhw 5757
 
Private property has to be properly posted in Utah. If it wasn't posted, then it's fair game. I really wish you wouldn't accuse the guy until he has actually been found guilty by a judge. You should hold your comments until you can provide a link to a state website that backs up your claims that he is guilty of illegally trespassing.

I doubt you would want someone to throw those comments out there about you.

Sure is a big buck!

Brian Latturner
MonsterMuleys.com
 
Yes property has to be properly posted. It's "fair game" until the landowner informs you of it being private.....even with no signs or painted posts. If you are on the land after being told it is private you are in the wrong.

If this guy hunts and scouts the area I'll bet he knows where every property line is....
 
how would you if property is posted propurly? do landowners just have to have corners and gates posted and thats it or do they have to have a sign every 100 feet?
 
This is out of the big game proclamation
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Properly posted? means that ?No Trespass?ing? signs?or a minimum of 100 square inches of bright yellow, bright orange or fluorescent paint?are displayed at all corners, on fishing streams crossing property lines, and on roads, gates and rights-of-way entering the land. If metal fence posts are used, the entire exterior side must be painted.
You may not post private property you do not own or legally control or land that is open to the public as provided by Utah Code ? 23-21-4. In addition, it is unlawful to take protected wildlife or its parts while trespassing in violation of Utah Code ? 23-20-14.
You are guilty of a class B misdemeanor if you violate any provision described in this section. Your license, tag or permit privileges may also be suspended


I have been coming to mm for about as long as it been here, back in the late 90. I use to post on here a lot but stop because of the trash talk that all ways came up. Now I find my self in the middle of this one.

The only reason that I got involved in this, is because it was my boy that caught Mike trespassing the second time,

I have leased private land before and had to deal with trespasser, it is real hard to press charger on trespasser, most of the time it there word against your. So they keep on doing it.

As hunters we should be sporting land owner all we can. With out there help we will lose a lot of are hunting privileges.

This land in question is about 5000 acre and border a county road on two sides and has no trespassing signs all up and down it. There is very little public land on this mountain.

Mike entered this land in a remote area that maybe not posted right, we will soon know.
What Mike did if not illegal it's at least very unethical

Brian has made it very clear how he and mm stands on this mater that trespassing is ok if not posted right.

This will be my last post; I will not come back to mm again
happy hunting to all.
bhw5757
 
U guys from utah have no respect for other poeples belongings. If u parked a truck somewhere and a person walks up and takes something from the bed of your truck its ok cause it is not posted right? What a bunch of idiots!
 
Post it properly in accordance with your states requirements. Otherwise don't be shocked when guys hunt on it.

Oh, and I've been lied to and seen enough public country illegaly posted to never take a landowner's word for it..........
 
I really know nothing about the situation or the hunter. I'll just throw in my .02 about what I think about what has been posted.

That's a dang nice deer. I hope it's legit. It would be a shame if it weren't.

I believe that a guy hunting on private ground that know's he's doing so against the owner's wishes is in the wrong. Period. It doesn't matter how the land is posted.

As hunters I believe our first responsibility is to be ethical. You can kill the biggest buck or bull on the mountain, but if you do it in a way that you have to compromise yourself, that animal may as well have come from a zoo in my mind. The guy that does it himself in the right way and kills a two point is a better hunter and man.

Again, I hope this one is legit. Beautiful deer!
 
Ya, I agree that if the guy knew he wasn't supposed to be on the land, then he should stay off. But in general, private property needs to be posted, and posted correctly. I think there are a lot of landowners who throw a sign on the gate, and nothing anywhere else, then complain about people on their land.
Not only does the hunter have a responsibilty in this state, but so does the landowner. The whole point of "posted" signs is to communicate to people that they are not allowed to trespass. If there are no signs, then the law says they are communicating the fact that people ARE allowed on their land.

I'm sure the day will come where the law in Utah is the same as in Colorado.

Brian Latturner
MonsterMuleys.com
 
As hunters dont u think u should know where u can and cant hunt? There has to be maps or something for u to find out where private property is.
 
I actually have a different opinion on this than Founder - not that I'm right or wrong, just my opinion.

We as hunters and citizens of this great country who make use of public land, as we are entitled to, have a responsibility to properly research an area we plan to hunt. If you know you're going to be hunting an area which is near private property (versus packing into a Wilderness area) then I believe the onus is on you to obtain the necessary information (maps, etc) and determine where public / private land boundaries are.

That being said, I also believe private landowners should not expect precise property boundaries be adhered to exactly unless accurately posted. We all know it's difficult to identify an exact property line without surveying the countryside but with GPS's and the availability of maps and mapping software we can be pretty sure of our location and the proximity to private / public land. I guess what I'm saying is there's probably a grey area along the boundary which if not properly marked cannot be measured in feet however, a sportsman should familiarize himself with private land in an area he plans to hunt and avoid it unless permission is obtained.

In Oregon you can be cited for trespassing if you hunt on private land without permission, regardless of how that land is posted - or whether it's posted at all or not. If you hunt on private land and are caught you are cited even if the landowner doesn't have a single No Trespassing sign on his property.

From what I've read it seems this issue is much greater in Utah and other southern states than it is up here but none of us are immune to the issue when it involves large bucks or bulls. The buck in this post is beautiful and my congratulations go out to the hunter, I'll withold further judgement until some proof is presented.

LBR
 
I will throw my 2 cents in on this one. we hunt near and on the border of private propriety. 7 years ago the land owner blocked the road with his truck and tried to block the right of way to the public 3 years ago the same guy put boulders in the middle of the road and made a cat line on the public so no one would go on his propriety. This year he posted a road that only goes on his place for a couple of hundred yards and then goes back to public. So what about the landowners who try to keep public lands blocked from the public cant you put them in the same group as trespassers? In my opinion if you don't want people hunting post it so there is no question. But don't be like this guy and try to block public access.
tstewy
good luck and good hunting
 
Guess I came in late! My question is..... if no one actually caught this man with the deer on private property, why do landowners or anyone for that matter believe he was on private property when he made the kill? Was there damage to the property? I mean why are the landowners so upset if they don't really know if he, in fact was really there?
This may come as a surprise to many out of staters but some land owners don't mind if the public hunts or fishes on their land in here Utah! I agree it's becoming less and less all the time. 20 -30 years ago hundreds of thousands of private acres of land was available to hunters throughout the state. It wasn't until big money became available to landowners to close their ground off except to the few who could afford it! And I don't blame landowners for taking advantage of the opportunity! But when CWMU's (first known as Posted Hunting Units) were adopted landowners were responisible for properly posting signs to identify their property (remember these units are given special treatment and allowed special seasons) These units are designed to give landowners the opportunity to make thousands of extra dollars from the harvesting of wildlife on their property but only their property! Therefore it is their responsibilty to properly post the ground! I don't see how it's asking too much for a landowner who claims his ground and doesn't want trespassers to post it! I shouldn't have to lock my house when I leave either but I do! And for those of you who get your car stolen, try telling the insurance company you left the keys in the ignition because you have a right to!
 
about all I can say is IF it was taken on PUBLIC land those who came on here and talked crap need to stand up Now if it turns out it was taken on this other guys place after he was told not to come on it He should pay the price.

Still a great Buck


"I have found if you go the extra mile it's Never crowded".
 
First and foremost I want to make it clear it not in question where he killed the buck, the fish and game has determined that the buck WAS NOT killed on the private property. Please go back and read all the posts before you comment on this.

What is in question is the fact that prier to him killing the buck he was caught trespassing on the first weekend and again in the same spot was caught the second week end. Both times he was told to stay off the property. He was caught last year on the same property and told to stay off.

What he was doing was, from anther piece of private property he was classing the deer up across a canyon and then going on to the property that he did not have the right to be on after the deer. The first week end he shot and wounded a buck and was tracking it on the property that he had no right to be on. That buck was never found.

This property is 5000 acres and that is a lot of fence line, from what I have seen this property is posted legal, but that is from the road I have not seen what it like from the canyon that he cross in. He claims that it is not posted legal. This is still under investigation.

Now everybody is jump on the land owner about that they have to make sure that everything is posted right, and I believe that. But where this fence run down thought the canyon I don't think that there is a corner, the stream that runs down it has no fish in it and I don't now if it has a gate in. so this fence could run for miles with out a posted sign or marker and still be legal.

On a the other hand what is stopping a hunter from removing post signs and going in, and saying o well it not post legal. I'm not saying that what happen but I sure it could.

To all land owner, stopping using post sign and use paint, and pant everything you can paint post, trees, rock, anything that can't be move.

Mike has hunted this country all his life and he know where he can and can't hunt he just don't care he goes were the big buck are. If mike is found guilty he will be charge with two account of trespassing and one account of illegal harvest of wildlife, for the buck that he shot and lost.

Bhw5757
 
Bhw5757 "The first week end he shot and wounded a buck and was tracking it on the property that he had no right to be on. That buck was never found. If mike is found guilty he will be charge with two account of trespassing and one account of illegal harvest of wildlife, for the buck that he shot and lost."


Just a thought, but which ones the bad guy? Is it the guy who shoots a deer but then it goes on private, and he tries to retrieve it, or the owner who refuses to let the hunter retrieve the animal and then wants to press charges? And how can he be charged with an illigal harvest when he isn't allowed to retreive the animal? Just curious how that works.
 
In Utah if you wound a deer and it goes on to property that you don't have permission to be on you have to contact the land owner before you inter the property. He did not do that. The guy that caught him on the property helped him look for the dear. Nothing was done about him trespassing at that time. If he would of stayed off the property nothing would have been done at that time. When he was caught a week later he was staking a buck on the property, when my boy went over to run him off he jump the buck about 50 yards from mike. I hope that answers you question
bhw
 
I wish; No my son is not the land owner. He has a land owner voucher to hunt the property. One of the condition of hunting the property, he is to get to know all the other hunters that has voucher, there is only 7 hunter total. So they know every one that is on the property, and they know when someone is not suppose to be there. And there suppose let the land owner know if there any problems. The first time they caught him on the property they did not contact the land owner, because they new Mike. When the caught him on there the second time they call the land owner. The land owner calls the fish and game and pres chargers, mainly because he was caught on there the last year. My boy and the other hunter had to sign a complaint against mike.

Bhw5757
 
sounds like he a SOB for sure and really don't care if he screwing everyone else on that piece of land, I hope the charges hold up if what is posted is true.
How can the last charge be used if they never found the first deer he shot,(just curious)


"I have found if you go the extra mile it's Never crowded".
 
i dont want to thorw anyone under the buss here but is this the same guy that shot the buck he named the preacher? It was one of the first videos of the week on mm. If its not the same guy then sorry for even asking the question.

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Archery is a year round commitment!!
 
I do not condone trespassing. However, I would like to see landowners who post public property prosecuted to the same extent. And yes I can cite examples of land owners who have posted public lands. It's more common than you might think. I recommend you do your homework and know exactly where you are located when hunting.

?There is no hunting like the hunting of man, and those who have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter.?
 
Posted? Not posted? Private land is private you should always have permission, whatever happens that is still a hog!
 
you guys are all a joke i was accused of poachin on this site to its a joke noone ever knows the truth they just assume ##### you guys act like high school girls with all the drama its retarded so grow up a little no one would say anything to this guys face you all hide behind this website and run your mouths its a flippin joke
 

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