Dan Herrera Trophy Chasers Don't Do Business or Else!!!

muleyhunter1 · Oct 9, 2009

Just wanted to let everyone know of a horrible experience we had with Dan Herrera. We have seen the posts on here that he was shady but didnt really believe it, well I am here to tell you he is definitely shady and he will tell you whatever he has to to sell a voucher. We were conned into buying landowner muzzleloader tags because he promised we could hunt his private ranches however once our money was spent he would not return calls or have any communication whatsoever and we never got on the ranch. We dont have much money to begin with and when you save all year to hunt and have someone dishonestly sale you a voucher it really takes it out of you. Just wanted to give you a heads up before someone takes a risk and jeopardizes their hunt this year...

mulebuck · Oct 9, 2009

Sorry to hear that MH. Seems like he hasn't changed a bit.

appleman · Oct 9, 2009

Im surprised you did not heed the many warnings you probably have seen on MM-it is true - you described him perfectly-people dont change and you might notice how trust worthy he is by the fact that on one of his posts on MM he said he wouldnt advertise on hear any more and he certainly still does. Enough said.

manny15 · Oct 9, 2009

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>Im surprised you did not heed
>the many warnings you probably
>have seen on MM-it is
>true - you described him
>perfectly-people dont change and you
>might notice how trust worthy
>he is by the fact
>that on one of his
>posts on MM he said
>he wouldnt advertise on hear
>any more and he certainly
>still does. Enough said.

I spoke to Dan a few years ago about a guy up in Sask CA as a reference, i said it was not a quality hunt, but he use's them till this day.

so what does that say about MM.com, police this site Brian, haven't enough people proven the point bout this outfit?

tstewy · Oct 9, 2009

I was going to book a guided hunt with dan last year . He told me about about this huge ranch etc same as you. When i pressed him to put it in a contract and send it to me he gave me the run around again and again it was his fax machine or his computer if its not in contract you can get screwed. so i did not go with him. for any one who does deal with him or any tag broker i would get it in contract before you pay. I am sorry you got jerked around i dont know what to think about this guy. I think that if you are in with him he is legit but i think he promises stuff he does not have locked in thats probably what happened to you.
tstewy

good luck and good hunting

Qdogg · Oct 9, 2009

Hey guys first post on the forum, seen what you said about trophy chasers and had to register, me and my hunting partner also had a bad experince with Dan, convinced us to hunt muzzle loader in CO, we saved all summer and were very disappointed. He send us pictures of huge bucks he said were going to be were we were hunting, come to find out half the deer had already been taken several years ago! I did kill about a 170 buck but we were promised seeing several to go over 190, also he booked a bow hunter on top of us that drove 34hrs to get there and he was promised to be hunting land for bow only which was not true and this guy was very disappointed, my main concern is my father and brother booked a hunt with him and Utah and I sure hope they have a better experince!

califhuntn · Oct 9, 2009

I had a bad experience with the guy as well. Normally it is not good to go on a public forum and badmouth a guys business but this guy is bad business. Too many posters on this site have complaints. Where there is smoke there is fire. I wish Brian wouldn't do business with the guy cause he advertises tags and hunts all over this site.

JR

goat · Oct 9, 2009

I have to agree with all posts about Dan. He made promises in 2008 for a mule deer hunt on 1500 acres private land with alfalfa fields. Sent pictures of great mule deer "taken this year" E-mails and phone calls unanswered when I tried to send money to secure the deal. Sold us four landowner tags, one was not good, had already been signed and whited out. We were unable to redeem the tag and ended up hunting public land with the valid tags.We were "stiffed for $1650 and denied a promised private land hunt. Later we even communicated with a Federal DA about fraud.
He said the "small amount of money" involved would be offset by lawyer costs. We almost pursued it anyway and may still do it so Dan will have a "record".To say the least, Dan is not trustworthy and we will never make the mistake of dealing with him again. I am disappointed that MM "endorses " him by letting him use their site, especially for multiple landowner tags and hunts.I hope more embarrassed and/or disappointed hunters will share their bad experiences associated with Dan.

tstewy · Oct 9, 2009

I just went to look around and i can't find his website or and ads. So is he off the website or what?

kilowatt · Oct 9, 2009

tstewy,

Trophy Chasers is still a paid subscriber on MM, go back one page to the Main Forums page and look in the blue box in the top right hand side of page, he is still listed.

Brian

usahunter · Oct 9, 2009

Well guys looks like I lucked out, My buddy and I booked a Colorado tresspass hunt with Dan and then saw all the negative press, our story is just the opposite of everyone else, we were contacted by dan and put in touch with Jim Mcnamara in Montrose, they did everything they said they would and we had a great hunt, the elk were there and the only reason the 6x6 isn't at the taxidermist now is my stupidity and fickle wind's, we were at camp for 12 days and Jim checked on us about every 3 days bringing in water and propane, they even had a trout filled pond where the trout almost jumped into our creels so we ate fresh trout many night's, sorry you guys had so much trouble.

manny15 · Oct 9, 2009

well then it sounds like greed ie: over booking? you just were one of the early birds...

hornkiller · Oct 10, 2009

sorry but you should of got the permits when the cash was handed to him and you should of found out were the property was to then you have the permit and the land what more do you need

Ram187 · Oct 10, 2009

I see his ads on the hunts and tags have been pulled. Founder needs to remember one thing, the Dan Herrera's of the hunting world are not his base here it is the guys like you and I!

trophychaser · Oct 12, 2009

This is Dan Herrera,
I tried of all the whining on this site,Every person who has bought a tag from me has recieved the tag! I dont own the ranches and acuire tags from other sources and cant promise you game on the land the vouchers are attached to nor have I have ever seen most of them,I dont personally guide every hunt for my outfitters nor does Garth or others,Im sorry my Muzzleloader hunters with Justin didn't take 190" bucks although Justin said you missed a 200" deer? I wasnt there either on that hunt and have limited control of other outfitters,All I can do is stop sending them clients, As for the archery hunter Brian Solitas he took a Nice Buck and a Bull after your full five days of hunting were over.As for the Kids you bought the Muzzleloader tags in 70 that said we denied them hunting on the property? I had them meet with one of our guides Mike Morland who extensivly went over maps with them on public ground as well as showing them the private,I had four guided hunters with me who all took Deer and all had opportunity's at deer over 190"!- Ben Collier 260-402-7340 2- Rich Timmerman 260-415-46043-Kevin Lucier 509-945-5679 Mike Kennedy 805-459-0981/Jack Catron 406-580-1901 As of today we have been 100% on Bulls in 1st season hunts Larwence Styles 814-266-1378 (3- hunters) Ben 360-303-8825,Rick lamb 916-417-3527 380"+ Bull!We will continue to cater to our good clients who work hard to take Trophy Animals for all you others whiners buy your vouchers elsewhere for more money and try spending more time in the woods and less on the computer.

gb2hunt · Oct 12, 2009

Same Thing This Guy Says Everytime He Gets Called Out! Only One Whinning Is Dan.Gordon

cjboz · Oct 12, 2009

This thread is entertaining material!!!

REDDOG · Oct 12, 2009

Dan said "We will continue to cater to our good clients"

I have no doubt repeat and/or high dollar clients get your attention. everyone else gets the shaft.

Stryker · Oct 12, 2009

Good Post Dan ~

Every year its the same exact thing. "I was promise a 180+ buck or 350+ bull on private land, etc, etc... if I come to Colorado and purchase a private landowner vouchure, but I did not get one...."

The majority of us know that no one will promise you anything like this, yes they may state that this quality of animal is on the property or have been taken on the properties in the past, but no one says you WILL shot one. Come on, its still hunting!

If you want a 100% chance at a 180+ buck or a 350+ bull, then you need to be checking into a high fence ranch hunt.

A landowner vouchure only get you a hunting license and access to private land, however many of the private properly do not hold any animals during hunting season and the best hunting is on public land that boarders the property, and yes you have to compete with other hunters, and the weather, and every other factor that affects hunting.

I have no idea, but would assume that repeat and/or high dollar clients get the most attention.. What else would you expect, Dan is running a business. Unfortunately, everyone else does not get the shaft - they get exactly what they pay for, a landowner vouchure. The rest is up to them, and if they want Dan to hold their hand and guide them one-on-one, then they need to pay for that service as well!

crazeymaez · Oct 12, 2009

Maybe you should spend less time on the puter.And go check out your ranch tag quality.Instead of speculating..

NMHUNTNUTT1 · Oct 12, 2009

+1 crazymaez

tstewy · Oct 12, 2009

I need to retract my first post on Dan. I think Dan runs a selling business he is in it to make money so when he talks to people he is trying to sell them a good. In this case it is a tag or a hunt or propriety rights. What ever I don't think he is out to screw people on their hunts. I know he helps with the gov tage every year.I have never bought a tag but have went on a few guided hunts i think that all of us that buy hunts or tags should put whatever is said on paper and then both parties sign and and get a copy. If there is land involved than it needs to be down on contract some tags go for as much as 10 grand it is crazy when you are spending that much money not to have it on paper when i buy a voucher wich some day i will. Be it dan or anyone else i would have it put on paper and if someone is not willing to put it on paper than they are blowing smoke about the hunt or tag they are selling imo. Dan is cheaper than alot of the brokers i have looked at. I think everyone needes to do their due dillegence and cover their butt if it is on paper and what is promised is not delivered as far as ground and tags quality can changer year to year and the weather can screw you .
TSTEWY

HuntHo · Oct 12, 2009

Dan when we spoke in July we agreed that I would purchase a NM unit 34 bull tag for $3800. I forfilled my end of the bargain and sent you a check for $3800. After 6 weeks and no tag and no answer to my calls...I put a stop payment on the check. Thanks for not cashin it. I don't think you ever had the tag, sorry for the whinning but I'll never do business with you again.

crazeymaez · Oct 13, 2009

The problem I have is these guys.They build up these units to something they are not.In my unit they tell people there are lots of big bulls running around.I have to guide these people.
And there expectations are through the roof.Just because what Dan or Garth said.When they have probably never stepped foot in the unit.

Fortis · Oct 13, 2009

The best way to handle things like this, i.e. no correspondence, lack of commnunication, screwing you out of your money, etc is with a personal visit.....aka azz whipping.

cabinfever · Oct 13, 2009

How a bookie should conduct business!

Tell clients exactly what to expect in terms of quality.I don't care if a 250 inch giant was killed on the ranch 2 decades ago.Tell the potential clients what hunters killed or missed last year and let them make up their own minds.Provide referals of successful and unsucessful hunters. Never book for an outfitter unless you have seen his operation in person and know your clients are in good hands. If you are selling LO vouchers, disclose to your client that you are at the mercy of the LO to get the voucher.Explain that when the LO delivers the voucher to you, you will promptly deliver the voucher to them. If you do not receive the voucher from the LO, you must issue a prompt refund. There are outfitters & bookies who have 90-100% returning clients for a reason. The bottom line: a booking agent should take 100% responsibility for the outfitters he books for.

Things you should know before booking a hunt?

If a bookie or outfitter tells you there are 190-200 inch deer every where, hang up the phone immediately. If he promises you a shot at a 190-200 inch deer, hang up the phone immediately. If an outfitter or bookie can not provide references hang up the phone immediately. If he fails to provide you with a receipt for a deposit, cancel the hunt and demand your deposit back.
A reputable bookie or outfitter will tell it like it is. No sugar coating! Some of the most reputable outfitters will not post pictures on their website of the largest animals because they do not want to create expectations in their clients that may not be achievable.

wildwilderness · Oct 13, 2009

Either you use DAN, or DAN will use you!

My friend got a great voucher from Dan last year. If Dan would call my friend "shady", then you know you are using him! He was able to put it off till the season started and got a great deal on the voucher. My friend did all his due diligence and did all his own research, and ended up shooting a bull he was happy with for the unit. Just be sure of what you are doing

CO Vouchers are also buyer beware. Just because the LAW says if you buy a voucher you can hunt the private it was issued for DOES NOT mean the owner will let you hunt the land! YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SEPARATE SIGNED TRESSPASS DOCUMENT if you think you are going to be hunting there! I have seen many vouchers offered at 2 prices, one with the land and one without, despite what the law says. You just have to know what you are doing!

PS- It was supposed to be against the law to use brokers in CO anyway!

Feleno · Oct 13, 2009

bout the same as some of those shady used car dealers

Qdogg · Oct 13, 2009

Dan, what Justin failed to tell you that the deer was 225yds shooting open sights muzzleloader! My freind argued with him for 5 minutes telling him he needed a better shot. How many of your clients can make that shot eveytime, also he did not tell you about chaisng the deer afterwards with the pickup or we had to wake him up every morning to go hunting!

Stryker · Oct 13, 2009

Qdogg ~

I still don't understand the problem. Didn't you kill a 170" deer with a landowner tag you purchased from Dan?

Are you upset with the tag service or the guide service?

O'ya your upset that it wasn't one of the 190" deer you were promised to see... So its not a matter of hunting and being successful, it only a matter of inches! Which is very unfortuante and very very sad..

Maybe you need to do your own research, apply for your own licenses, and learn to appreciate what hunting is supposed to be all about, and then even the little ones will be remembered with as much appreciation.

And never forget the 6-P's: Prior Planning Prevents Pi_ _, Poor, Performance...

Qdogg · Oct 13, 2009

Stryker, I understand what your saying, it has never been about "inches" I have hunted all my life and do so with a passion, and some of my favorite hunts were when I did not pull the trigger, but when you are misrepresented it is disheartning, if we just paid for a voucher on a unguided hunt that would be one thing, but when you pay for a service you have some expectations, it could have been alot more professional.

Founder · Oct 13, 2009

Well, I'm going to lock this thread. It's all been said. It's been said before and ...... hopefully it won't be said again...??? It's really unfortunate that these issues can't be resolved BEFORE they end up posted on this site.

Brian Latturner
MonsterMuleys.com