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Any guesses on what this buck would score?


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LAST EDITED ON Jan-14-10 AT 06:49AM (MST)[p]With his 2 inlines on the left back fork, I'll say he will break the 193 mark.

Yelum
 
I would say 183-185 without the inlines. I guess I can't really see them to judge how long they are. Pretty buck but also looks fairly young. Good potential to reach the upper 180's if it puts on the mass.

Jazz
 
>not much, talk about a missleading
>thread title.....

hard to imagine you guys calling him 160-175???? do you mind explaining to me, how you came up with that? IMO solid 190 here why I think that:
MB 23"
G1 2
G2 17
G3 13
G4 10 on one 12 on the other
Mass 17"per side
Extras 3" minimum and probably more.
Spread credit 23"

You can never be sure off of one photo, but assuming this a fairly mature buck, then that's a gross score of 192. Even if I'm wrong there is no way I'm off by 20" unless this a pygmy deer.



Son
 
Don't be sorry, its just an opinion but if you don't mind, post a break down of what you do think it scores. Who knows maybe you'll change some minds.

Son
 
Hey guys thanks the input on the pic! I figured this buck would score in the mid to high 180's. I will post another pic of the buck from further back to show how tall he is. The only way the topic would be misleading is if it said "huge typical buck"! I don't know about others but, I consider this a "Big" deer!
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-14-10 AT 12:37PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Jan-14-10 AT 12:29?PM (MST)

I think sonofthesouth is pretty close. I came up with the same figure but than decided I better back off 3 inches due to the smaller G4 on the one side. I'll put him at a comfortable 190.

HCB, Weminuche............i'd love to see your numbers as well.
 
It would be nice if you guys that aren't "full of it" to actually show how you came up with your score. Maybe your seeing something that others aren't or maybe by doing so you will find something that you previously missed. Just a suggestion.

BTW, if you don't what a G1 G2 G3 etc are, PM me and I will be happy to explain.

Son
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-14-10 AT 12:35PM (MST)[p]Actually, after looking at your calculations I think he may be bigger than I thought. But I would still give him 182 Gross MAX. I think your G4 calculation is pretty generous, a little on the mass too. Just my opinion. I'm no expert, I just like guessing on these as much as you do.
 
I would agree with 190 gross on this buck, look at those G-2's. He could be a little crabby in the front but not 165 crabby!!!!



Sit tall in the saddle, hold your head up high, keep your eyes fixed to where the trail meets the sky...
 
Beautiful buck. 184.

Just think what he could be next year; stretch the G4s a bit plus a little more mass, he could be amazing.
 
I figured an inch longer on the beam, a little less on the mass, and around an inch shorter on the g-3 and each g-4.I think the g-2 is only 15.5 or 16 which makes the other points each shorter as well. Great buck either way. A lot of these guys throw out a number and do not have a full understanding of how scoring works. They just glance at a rack and throw out a number without knowing where the final number comes from. I think your numbers are real close I just think it is a bit smaller than what you thought. Anyone could miss any point other than an eyeguard by around an inch.
 
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might have to change my score high 170s maybe.After seeing this pic. give him a few years!
 
I'll go quick field style
1.5" 1
16" 2
10" 3
9" 4
16" of mass per
22" beam
X 2
+
19" ISS
5" of garbage
= 173 give or take a few here or there 170-175 gross

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LAST EDITED ON Jan-14-10 AT 05:27PM (MST)[p]Son,

Although he's a gorgeous buck I'm pretty sure I'd pass on him unless in the velvet. But here's where I got my guess...
I think the beams are 20" max
G1 1 4/8"
G2 16"
G3 11"
G4 9"
Mass I used 20" per side, max, because mass is pretty hard to judge with pics. Could be less mass very easily...
Inside spread I think 21" max.

I didn't add the extras at all because I couldn't really see them...the last pic shows him better for sure and I can see 180's with the extras. I think I generally field judge bucks a little smaller than they actually are too?? I'm cool with them growing on the ground though :)

edit whoops combined the g1's

~Z~
 
I will admit that the second picture isn't as impressive as the first but the buck that's mounted does back up why I still think most people would be surprised to find that he does score well. Tall backs very deep forks. A buck can pick up a truck load of score quickly that way.

Do I stand behind the 192 after seeing the other pic? Maybe not 192, but I could see him being 185 give or take a couple.

Son
 
Anybody that puts this buck under 180 doesn't have a clue! I shot a buck in Nevada (posted) that was right at 190. The difference was mass otherwise very similar. I stay with 183-185+ the little extras.

Jazz
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-14-10 AT 08:33PM (MST)[p]Heres why I said 193+. This buck has 1 eye guard and a short G4. The frame is 191 gross with 5 inches of extras. It was scored by san officiial scorer. Though the buck in this thread is not as massive, his back forks are better, anbd G4's are similar.

Yelum
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I agree. And I think Thunderheart is a shorting this buck a few inches giving him 19" inside....
 
>And I guarentee the eyeguards on
>that buck are closer to
>3 inches than they are
>2.
>
>Yelum

Ha!!! He must have a 5-6" skull plate then. He's not worth shooting, not even a last day meat buck. I'd rather shoot a doe and let that deer grow up, he's mabey 3 - 3.5 at the oldest? If you wanna kill a big buck you gotta let these 175" deer walk.

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While I agree that this is a "younger" buck it is better than a "meat" buck and it is NOT 175". That said this would be a tough buck to pass on for some, depending on circumstances I would guess most would have the safety off! If you want a 190" class buck or nothing then pass for sure as it is not that class either but could be in another 1-2 years.

Jazz
 
Or......we could all be native americans and just hunt dear in the rut anywhere we feal like.



Sit tall in the saddle, hold your head up high, keep your eyes fixed to where the trail meets the sky...
 
This reminds me of a kid I know. His mom is a real estate agent and his dad owns a large ranch full of hayfields that no one hunts but him. Consequently, the kid has connections to hunt pretty much any where he wants to. He has killed 3 bucks over 200" and several bulls in the mid 300" range. Last year he drew a high country tag and asked me to help him. The kid showed up without binoculars! He was so arrogant about his "experience" that he wouldnt listen to any thing I had to say( even though I had several big bucks spotted). I got disgusted with him and went home. He never saw a single deer, let alone a buck.

Funny what happened when he didnt have daddys hayfields.

Most of us only get a few days to hunt. If I had 3 months, I'd show you some scary bucks, I bet a lot of other guys on here could too. But we cant all be spoiled rich kids with hayfields!
 
"Or......we could all be native Americans and just hunt dear in the rut anywhere we feel like."

BIG + 1, I'm Native American. I'm white as the driven snow but as far as I'm concerned, AS NATIVE AS IT GETS!!!

(Que the drama)

Son
 
>Or......we could all be native americans
>and just hunt dear in
>the rut anywhere we feal
>like.
>
>
>
>Sit tall in the saddle, hold
>your head up high, keep
>your eyes fixed to where
>the trail meets the sky...
>

What are dear? I know what deer are, and I know what a bear is. Is it like a half deer half bear????

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Stated above: "I would pass him unless he is in the velvet"

Dude, you must be looking at huge bucks all the time. This buck is a shooter.
 
I was hoping a native would see that I can't spell either and adopt me into their tribe. :)



Sit tall in the saddle, hold your head up high, keep your eyes fixed to where the trail meets the sky...
 
I think this buck is definately a 180 class buck that most guys would love to hammer, but if you are lookin for that 190 class you best keep the safety on. He does look young and if given another year, he might just grow into that 190 class giant we all dream about. I probably would pass on this buck, but then again I get to hunt 3 months a year every year and I'm a white guy. ;)
 
I say a young buck 185+/-. He's a little weak up front, mass and spread but -170 or even 175 I think your drinking some funny cool aide. He probably should be passed based on his age but I would have a hard time doing it unless I was in one hell of a unit.
 
>I think this buck is definately
>a 180 class buck that
>most guys would love to
>hammer, but if you are
>lookin for that 190 class
>you best keep the safety
>on. He does look young
>and if given another year,
>he might just grow into
>that 190 class giant we
>all dream about. I probably
>would pass on this buck,
>but then again I get
>to hunt 3 months a
>year every year and I'm
>a white guy. ;)


++++1. thats great.
 
Bcboy,
how's did you in 09 my northern brother? 14 bulls and 3 deer hit the dirt here in the sunny south.

Son
 
I come up with high 180's, but if he went 190 I wouldn't be surprised. Those backs are impressive and I think the beams are longer than some might think.
 
After studying the second pic longer, I come up with 174 mainframe, and 179 with extras, max.
Mainbeams 22 and 21
G-2's 17
G-3's 11.5 and 12
G-4's 9.5 and 7
G-1's 2
mass 16 per side
Inside 21

I'm usually a little low, but I don't see how you guys get anywhere near 190 with weak mainbeams. I respect Yelum's and BCBoy's guesses, and I'm probably wrong, but I'd pass on this young feller.
 
>Bcboy,
>how's did you in 09 my
>northern brother? 14 bulls and
>3 deer hit the dirt
>here in the sunny south.
>
>
>Son

My 09 season was a freakin blast. Hunted every weekend for 2 months straight with my 2 kids. Watched my son whack and stack the critters as per usual. Had a couple close calls on deer and moose with my 11 year old daughter but we just weren't able to seal the deal. She had a blast and whacked a bunch of bush chickens so she wasn't too disappointed about not getting her first big game animal yet. I'm sure she'll whack a bear or 2 this spring. As for myself, I hunted my ass off for trophy muleys in the late season. Hunting was tough but I did manage to pass on some good bucks and a few that most would have loved to have killed. Just wasn't what I was lookin for. When you have goals of 200 inches or bust, you expect to eat your tag more times than not. ;)
 
mains-21-22
G1- 2-2
G2- 17-17
G3- 12-13
G4- 9-10
H1- 4.5-4.5
H2- 4-4
H3- 3.5-3.5
H4- 3.5-3.5
E- 4-1
IS- 21

Gives me 181 gross don't think he's less than that...even a half inch per measurement could change its score +/- 5 inches... so I could see him going as high 186-187...
 
This is in the right ballpark. This buck is over 180 and likely under 185. Definitely not 190 and definitely not 175.

Jazz
 
Can we get a side view or do we still get to name-that-tune with 4 notes...

I was right! 182 2/8. 178 6/8 Net.

Semper Fi.
 
>My 09 season was a freakin
>blast. Hunted every weekend for
>2 months straight with my
>2 kids. Watched my son
>whack and stack the critters
>as per usual. Had a
>couple close calls on deer
>and moose with my 11
>year old daughter but we
>just weren't able to seal
>the deal. She had a
>blast and whacked a bunch
>of bush chickens so she
>wasn't too disappointed about not
>getting her first big game
>animal yet. I'm sure she'll
>whack a bear or 2
>this spring. As for myself,
>I hunted my ass off
>for trophy muleys in the
>late season. Hunting was tough
>but I did manage to
>pass on some good bucks
>and a few that most
>would have loved to have
>killed. Just wasn't what I
>was lookin for. When you
>have goals of 200 inches
>or bust, you expect to
>eat your tag more times
>than not. ;)

BCBOY,
I'm glad to see the kids are getting a proper upbringing! Glad to see you all had such a great season. I had to grin when I read the part about "holding out for a 200" buck" very few people will ever even see a legit 200" buck on the hoof much less walk into the woods bow or rifle in hand with a commitment to killing that kind of buck. Maybe one day I will be lucky enough to kill a 2hundy myself! :)

Huntsonora and I were talking about this post and scoring bucks, what matters and what doesn't and how most people that have posted have it pretty well figured out and some still miss it. I'm not just talking about this deer but scoring in general, how many times have you heard that a buck wont score well because he is narrow or that he doesn't carry enough mass? I remember a buck that you killed a few years ago and having an argument with a guy on this site because he felt there was no way that deer was over 200" due to his narrow frame. If I remember right he was in fact "narrow" but huge forks and giant fronts. 212" gross???


Son
 
I agree with sneakem. Great tine length. I would like to see how many people would actually pass on that buck when you only have a few seconds to decide "shooter" or not. 2 years and he's a 200"
 
Hey Weminuche,

Why you dissing the flag so much? That's the most disrespectful thing you can do to the flag :(
 
>Hey Weminuche,
>
>Why you dissing the flag so
>much? That's the most
>disrespectful thing you can do
>to the flag :(

Don't worry someone cried around and the cult leader had me remove it;).

I'm pretty sure crapping on it, pissing on it, burning it could be worse. Just a guess.

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