HENRY MOUNTAINS TAG!!!!!!

marley

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I just got a CC hit for $563. I thought for sure I would draw my elk tag this year so as a nonresident I just put in for the Henry's rifle deer tag as that was the only tag I would want more than my elk tag and somehow I drew the tag. I never thought that I would even consider hiring a guide for any mule deer or elk tag but the novelty behind this tag has me thinking. I live in Colorado, I can take off the time to scout but being self employed I don't get paid vacation. The days that I would miss to scout the unit would pay for a guide that knows the unit.

I am asking you guys for some advice. What would you do? If you would get a guide do you have any recommendations? Thanks for your help. Now for 5 months of sleepless nights.

Oh yeah......I only had 1 point. Sorry I couldn't resist!
 
Congrats on the great fortune!! Thank you again for the Sitka suspenders. Just goes to show small random acts of kindness do pay off!! Good luck and we look forward to the story to come!!!
 
It depends on what size of a buck you want. If you are happy with a 180" buck, you will have no problem accomplishing this going self guided.

When I was on my Buff hunt, I saw some really nice bucks that were in this range.

Having said this, if it was me, I would go guided. It is a huge area and it would be great to have someone helping you scout/hunt. You have the dream of all tags. Nothing can beat what you have IMO. I wouldn't trade that tag for any other tag that exists in the lower 48.

I am not saying you cannot get a 200" buck going self guided. However, as I am sure you already know, you odds will increase dramatically going with a good guide.

Congrat's on your tag!
 
You dirty dirty SOB!
Congrats though......I'd be rubbin it in too!

Sit tall in the saddle, hold your head up high, keep your eyes fixed to where the trail meets the sky...
 
I have a buck that I shot in 2007 that scored 198". I am really wanting something that will top that. I know that that is a pretty lofty goal but I think that I have a tag that definately has the potential. I would be limited on my scouting trips so I am leaning toward the guided hunt. Does anyone know anything or have experience with Troy Justensen or James Payne. They both seemed like good guys over the phone and seemed to really know the area but I'm just looking for any recommendations. Thanks guys!
 
Congrats on a nice Colorado mulie & drawing a great tag! It may take a long time before you draw another tag so if it were me i would go guided to up my chances for a good buck.

7 Mag
 
I've known Troy for years and have hunted with him in a couple of different states. He is honest, dependable, hard working and has the propensity and network for finding HODAD bucks. Plus, he is damn fun to be around with.

You drew with one point? Go buy some lottery tickets asap. Congrats. Check your pm.
 
Congrats. However, that means I didn't draw. LOL. But I did it for the same reason you did, it is the only tag that would be worth not going elk hunting for.

By the way, what is with the HODAD label. I can tell what you mean in context, but where did it come from. All I can find out about the word either means a "wannabe" or a "wannabe surfer". How does it make the leap to really big buck?

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
 
Okay, here we go. Being from Kalifronicated, my family was full of surfers and beatnecks. They refused to be called HODADS and would associate that word with humongus mammary glands of the opposite sex (female). Somehow over the years it evolved into our vernacular when seeing a monster pisscutter buck. There you go only from the left coast.
 
Marley, Cangrats on drawing that super tough tag. Glad to hear one of the MM boys done good. Really going to look forward to reports of your hunt!! Kill a pig!!

Joey
 
From now on I'm putting in for the Henry's too. LOL
Go guided and never look back it will be good money spent.
Hope you kill a MONSTER MULEY.


"I have found if you go the extra mile it's Never crowded".
 
I have to say that you guys on MM are stand up guys that I would be proud to share my campfire with. I can't believe all the PM's I have received with helpful info. and sugestions. It is all greatly appreciated. I have talked to several guides, some have been too busy with other hunters already, but I think I am going to book with Doyle Moss. Thanks again for all your help. Hope I can repay it in the future.
 
marley,
I know Doyle moss is not well liked on this site. Looking at Doyles track record, you will not regret that decision! Congrats on a awesome tag! I am jealous!
 
Doyle Moss not well liked? Oh i've seen some bad ink on the guy but a lot of that is just jealous talk. I think the majority here respect the guy and would book him in a second if they could and felt the need.

If i could swing it and on a hunt like that, i'd probably do the same!! Good luck!!!

Joey
 
Great choice! You will kill a toad..

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Later, Brandon
 
Marley,
Congrats to you on your tag. one in a million almost. I didnt get mine but way to go.

Your choice for a guide is a great one. doyle has had some bad raps from others over the years. deserved or not who knows but the folks that were there. I for one judge on what I have seen and experienced. Doyle and I met in the henries last year as he was searching for the Gov. buck. he was cordial, funny, apeared to be honest, full of information and more than anything else one hell of a nice guy. I was aprehensive at first and wondering how he would be during the hunt and was very pleasantly surprised. I didnt treat him as a special person just another guy out in the field. maybe that made a diffrence. dont know dont care. If you are looking for a monster Doyle could get it done.

Now for another to consider is Adam Bronson. One of the nicest guys to talk to. He knows that mountain very well and will find you that monster. he will be another great choice.

Bottom line is enjoy this tag and make the most of it. That being said, no offence to those of you that need a score to feel complete. Try to forget about the score and find the buck of your dreams and hunt him. They are out there and more than one. the place is unbelieveable. When you get him be happy and show the pics with the score of who cares posted. I had the hunt of a lifetime and didnt let #'s get in the way. Good luck to you and I wish you the hunt of a lifetime or two.

Hunterturbo
 
that was well said, i agree you are going on a hunt of a lifetime so you better make it a hunt of a lifetime!! congrats on the tag that is awesome!!



"Shoot Strait"
 
be very careful booking with doyle moss....he might make you hunt with isanunya.........lol


great post/pic, thanks for sharing

JB
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Adam Bronson would be my first choice. Have heard good things about him.


"I have found if you go the extra mile it's Never crowded".
 
Thanks for the info. guys. I also talked with Adam and he is already booked up as well. I talked with Doyle Moss today and had a very good, long conversation with him. I seems like a good guy and I am excited to hunt with his guides. I booked him for the entire 9 day hunt. I think we ought to find a decent buck in that amount of time.
 
See you in a magazine in 9 months. Congrats on that super tag and I hope you whack a stud.


It's funny that as an outfitter, most of the time I read negative things on MM about outfitters. This is a good post because the folks who have posted have been positive and helpful. I don't know any of the outfitters well, but I have talked with a couple of them. I'm sure you'll get a whopper with Doyle.
 
For those of you that have been on the unit and seen what the potential is there, what is a realistic goal for that unit. Would you be passing on 190" deer in hopes of something bigger or should I be pulling the trigger on something like that? I would like to get something bigger than what I already have but is that a realistic goal?
 
you know going with a guide that knows the mountain range and the deer quality, especially one as doyle moss, would know what would be a deer to pass up and what one to take. but ultimately its up to you. take your picture of the 190 class buck and show him, and tell him i want to top this and see what happens. it should be awesome!!! good look and once again congrats.





"Shoot Strait"
 
IN THE HENRYS WITH DOYLE MOSS FOR 9 DAYS, I WOULD LOOK TO CLIMB THE LADDER. ANOTHER DEER IN THE 190+ RANGE WOULD BE ANOTHER NICE DEER FOR YOU.....BUT ....YOU WANT TO BREAK THE BANK....HOLD OUT. DONT PLAN ON EATING YOUR TAG.....BUT GIVE YOURSELF A GREAT CHANCE TO POP A MONSTER. GOOD LUCK ON YOUR MONSTER QUEST........YD.
 
Do NOT shoot a 190 buck unless there is 30 minutes left in the hunt and you absolutley want to just kill something. You will have plenty of opportunities @ 200+" bucks. Have fun.
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-14-10 AT 06:13PM (MST)[p]I would be looking for a big non-typical..you should see a few 190 class deer, but I would hold off. You have one of the best guides you can get, put him and Nunya to work!

BTW, the Henry's are gonna spoil you! Its an awesome experience just to see the talent on that mountain.
 
Driving down the street, my neighbor runs into the middle of the road waving his arms to flag me down, I'm thinking, "oh %$#& something bad has happened" he runs over and yells "I drew the HENRY'S with 4 points". I told him to get out of the road or I'd run him over. Lucky Dog. He's gonna have a blast.
 
What does a 9 day trip with Doyle cost these days? Just curious. What do you supply? What does he supply? You make your own camp? He makes his own camp?

Steve
 
Doyle doesn't do decent. He provides you with an awesome team and if you can shoot straight you will score big. He cost a pretty penny but if I had the money I would have him guide me also.

I look forward to your magazine article.

Dillon
 
Doyle has been great to work with. My dad is a phenominal camp cook. His buddies fight over him every year to be in their camp for food. Doyle cut me a little bit of a deal if I provide the food for me, my brothers, my dad and my 2 guide and he cooks. He is normally 10K for the 9 day hunt, $5500 for a five day hunt. His prices were the same as the other guys I talked to.
 
Holy crap! .....10 Grand....on my salary there is no deer worth that price tag, unless it was a garanteed world record.:) I was thinking maybe 2 grand tops, shows how much i know about guided hunts. I guess i will never be on one.
 
Congrats Marley,

You're in for an awesome experience. I agree with what was said before. The Henries will ruin you. 190" bucks are last day bucks.
 
Nothing wrong with using an outfitter if you so choose!

But with that said, my opinion is that it is more about the experience and less about the score of the deer I kill.

I always prefer to do it myself whenever possible because of the great satisfaction that I feel when going it alone and getting it done. To me a hard earned 180" buck that I scouted, hunted, and killed all by myself trumps any 200 inch or even bigger buck that someone put in front of me. Not only that but I don't like depending on someone else to make my hunt a success. I want the success or the failure to rest squarely on my own shoulders.

That's all just my opinion of course, and obviously there is still plenty of "hunt" involved even when hunting with an outfitter. They are wild deer and they don't give up easy. Even for Doyle or any of the other guys mentioned.

Whatever you decide, congrats on getting probably the best mule deer tag in the world. I sure wish I was wondering how best to go about a hunt on the Henrys. Good problem to have.

Later,
 
I totally agree with everything you just said. I would have never in a million years thought that I would even consider hiring a guide for a mule deer or elk hunt. I've grown up hunting them my whole life and taken extreme pride in the muleys I've taken so far DIY (one B&C and one P&Y) but once I found out about this tag and the fact that I will never draw it again has gotten me to consider other things. I definately wasn't planning on this, I thought for sure I would draw my elk tag this year but I should draw it for sure next year. I want to make the very most of this incredible opportunity that I have been absolutely blessed with. Thanks all for all the help and kind words.
 
id have to say its ypour preference. you indeed probably could get a bigger buck with a guide but the feeling of diy greatly out weighs score imo. i could (defiently)have probably killed a bigger moose with a guide.and probably the same overall cost but the fact that i went up there learned what i could and put my very own effort in to killing it, has no comparison to the score imo. i know i did it my self and i got to spend lots of time doing what i love. i definently wouldnt look down on you for hiring a guoide ,its to each there own. you will have a great time either way you do it. good luck and kill a monster!
 
Congrats on the tag! I think you could take a lot of long weekends unpaid to go scout for $10k!!

Good luck!

Kevin
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-15-10 AT 09:53PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Apr-15-10 AT 09:50?PM (MST)

...unbelievable draw!!! Congrats! I agree with your choice about hiring Doyle. He WILL get it done for you. I have run into him on several occasions during hunts, in fact I ran into him on the Henry's last year while I was hunting my buffalo. Despite rumors about him being a selfish prick on the mountain, he's actually always treated me better than almost any fellow hunters out there... and when I saw him on the Henry's last year he easily could have just focused on filling that govenors tag instead of taking the time to point me to some great areas to find my bull.

I have shared this picture on this site before but here is a pic of a couple teaser bucks I saw during one of my scouting trips. Last year I was honestly driving down the road 6 feet from 15-20 four point plus bucks on my atv and they never blinked because they knew nobody would waste their time looking at or messing with them since they were nothing special there. Congrats and good luck on a hunt of 10 lifetimes!

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Congrats on the great tag. It is probably to late but I would strongly suggest doing it yourself. If your dad and your brother are going with you anyway when it is all said and done you will have lot more satisfaction in calling the shots and killing a great deer than just being a pawn who pulls the trigger. There are guys who draw these tags and buy gov type tags who need guides but you seem like you have enough experience. It is not about the money it is whether it is your deer or just another notch on a guides belt and photo on his website. You probably will kill a bigger deer with a guide but when you show your friends etc there will always be an asterick by it to them since it was guided. Just my opinion. good luck!
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-16-10 AT 10:16AM (MST)[p]>That's not true..........You don't know my
>income.


Ok...you must be pulling down over $1k per day then. So enjoy your $20,000+ deer hunt "Doctor" Morrill (Hangover Reference);)

Good luck I really do hope you shoot a big one. I'm sure Doyle Moss and crew will put the work in to find the kind of deer you're after. It's your tag, your money, your hunt, and your choice of how you want to do it and what you will be happy with.

Kevin
 
I cant wait to read the story and see the pictures of the brute next fall. Maybe you should video it, at least the kill part, for future viewing of this once in a lifetime hunt, but i bet you already thought of that.

Congrats on the great draw.
 
"If your dad and your brother are going with you anyway when it is all said and done you will have lot more satisfaction in calling the shots and killing a great deer than just being a pawn who pulls the trigger."

I wouldn't ever consider myself a pawn just pulling the trigger. I'm actually saving myself some money by hiring a guide and I don't know the area at all. I will still be calling the shots and already told Doyle that I am in great shape and really want to leave behind some boot leather on that mountain. I will go anywhere to kill a monster and pull him out of any God forsaken place. I spent 2 weeks in Alaska last year and according to google earth I hiked over 135 miles with a 50 pound pack on my back and I actually spotted more sheep than my guide. I'm not a sit in camp and call me when you find a nice one type of guy. In the past 5 years I have filled every big game tag and turkey tag I have had and these were all over the counter archery tags or 0 point tags except one Gunnison tag that I used 4 pts. on and out of those tags killed 2 six point bulls one Boone and Crocket buck and one Pope and Young buck and killed all my turkeys with a bow (one with a recurve). I don't think that I will ever be a pawn. I'm not taking offense to what you said just trying to back up the fact that I'm not a lazy hunter as some would think by hiring a guide. Just want to maximize this tag.

I do plan on videotaping the hunt though, both of my guides will be carrying a camera as well as my friend so hopefully I'll have some good footage for you all.
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-16-10 AT 04:39PM (MST)[p]That's not how I meant it at all. I saw that you were a dentist so I threw in the "I'm a doctor" bit. Good luck man.

Kevin
 
Congrats Marley,

Tag of a lifetime... Excellent choice with your outfitter, you are in for the hunt of 10 lifetimes.
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-16-10 AT 11:05PM (MST)[p]After further consideration, if I had that tag in my pocket and had the $$$$, I'd hire a guide. You won't get a do-over.
 
It sounds like you really thought this through, guided vs. unguided. I am definitely a DIY guy, but boy you make a great case for going guided on this hunt. You get to hunt CO DIY every year and will get to next year as well. Stick with your guns and don't let anyone here influence your choices. Show those guides how to hunt hard and bring home a monster! 220 or bust!
 
I hate you, I wish many sleepless nights upon you and in closing I wish sancho upon your wife while you are away hunting my deer on the henrys.


THAT IS ALL!



ego participate in Monasteriense muleys proinde ego sum bardus (I participate on monstermuleys therefore I am stupid)
 
Don't worry Stinky I won't shoot your deer.......... he won't even be born for about another 10 years =)
 
WOW! congrates Marley I just found this thread and I can relate because after a full decade and a half of trying I finally pulled MY Henrys tag as well.I know for me a guide is out of the question finacially but my tag is for Muzzy.I switched to muzzy for fear of loosing my 6 elk points if the three year rule smacks me.I too have never been to the henrys but I am an older Utah resedent who lives near the Idaho border so scouting will be tough for me too.If there is anyone willing to offer any advice to point me in the right direction so when when I get down there I have at least a clue Id be real grateful,congrats to all and keep the faith,IRHUNTR.
 
Marley, throw every resource you have at that tag, including money if you have enough for a guide. No matter what size of buck you get, you won't have to wonder if you did all you could.

I don't believe you are just a trigger puller if you are on a guided hunt. If you're a hunter, you're a hunter.

And this is coming from a DIY (forced) guy.

The Christian
 
Well now I'm really upset.
I had one point, put in for the Henrys and DIDN'T draw.
It's just not fair !!!!!!!!!!!

Congratulation on a great tag, I hope you take a smoker, gagger, monster or what ever you want to call a giant, heavy, wide Mule deer.
 
Good choice on the outfitter marley. You will kill a giant buck. And no you will not be shooting a 190" buck on the last day! I will see you down there.
 
Nunya's full of crap. Ever since he was forced to split with his PROfessional burger eatin buddy he just hasn't been able to find big animals since. Next he's probably gonna try to tell you he can find sheep pushin the 180 mark in utah also. Don't listen to that looser.



ego participate in Monasteriense muleys proinde ego sum bardus (I participate on monstermuleys therefore I am stupid)
 
marley, congratulations on the tag! Getting a tag like that is "like pulling teeth.":)

The best of luck to you!

Eel

Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8
 
Trade off some of your work for some of his work(guiding) and it wouldn't be that bad. LOL Good Luck I know you will find a good one down there.


"I have found if you go the extra mile it's Never crowded".
 
Magnummatt (104 posts)
Sep-20-08, 11:12 AM (MST)
15. "RE: Foolish Hunters"
Hey Marley
The best articles in HF are the ones where a member draws an expensive, primo, sheep,goat,etc.... tag and doesn't wimp out and goes DIY.I think that could be you someday. Good luck in the Draws. If only every tag was OTC

I Guess I was wrong!!!
 
I stick to my guns! You just gave me all the reasons you should go DIY. If you are as good as you imply you will have a great time and kill a great buck! YOUR BUCK! I am sure you are a good hunter but the bottom line is you will be hunting for deer they have prescouted. Any decent hunter can kill animals if they are told where they are. I think later in life if you are a true DIY guy you will regret sharing the pressure of this hunt and getting help. Guys always say they want to maximize their tag but fear of failure is the true motivator with great tags come great pressure and if you hire a guide the pressure becomes their pressure. Say what you want but we see it on here and in the hunting mags all the time. It is not about money. You are the perfect guy to go DIY. Experience, resources to truly scout and maximize the tag yourself, Mule deer judging ability, it is only the thought that you might not get a real trophy on your own that is steering you to the easy way. I have no doubt you will hunt hard, spot deer, and do a great job shooting your buck when the time comes. But you will not be figuring out where to hunt, finding your buck, deciding if it is worthy to burn your tag on without someone elses opinion etc. Good luck and I truly mean that. I hope you will truly be happy when you show people the monster buck on the wall and you either leave out saying well it was guided or you try to justify how even though it was guided you did not really need the guide. Think about it!
 
>I stick to my guns! You
>just gave me all the
>reasons you should go DIY.
>If you are as good
>as you imply you will
>have a great time and
>kill a great buck! YOUR
>BUCK! I am sure you
>are a good hunter but
>the bottom line is you
>will be hunting for deer
>they have prescouted. Any decent
>hunter can kill animals if
>they are told where they
>are. I think later in
>life if you are a
>true DIY guy you will
>regret sharing the pressure of
>this hunt and getting help.
>Guys always say they want
>to maximize their tag but
>fear of failure is the
>true motivator with great tags
>come great pressure and if
>you hire a guide the
>pressure becomes their pressure. Say
>what you want but we
>see it on here and
>in the hunting mags all
>the time. It is not
>about money. You are the
>perfect guy to go DIY.
>Experience, resources to truly scout
>and maximize the tag yourself,
>Mule deer judging ability, it
>is only the thought that
>you might not get a
>real trophy on your own
>that is steering you to
>the easy way. I have
>no doubt you will hunt
>hard, spot deer, and do
>a great job shooting your
>buck when the time comes.
>But you will not be
>figuring out where to hunt,
>finding your buck, deciding if
>it is worthy to burn
>your tag on without someone
>elses opinion etc. Good luck
>and I truly mean that.
>I hope you will truly
>be happy when you show
>people the monster buck on
>the wall and you either
>leave out saying well it
>was guided or you try
>to justify how even though
>it was guided you did
>not really need the guide.
>Think about it!


You sound more "insecure" than the originator. Why should anyone care about whether he is "guided or not guided".
Its all about the experience. You are assuming he is worried that he might fail?? Thats why he hired a guide??
Quit raining on his parade. Maybe he wants to maximize his opportunity. I do not blame him one bit for going guided.
Should he feel less "fulfilled" if he uses a rifle, range finder, a trailer, spotting scope, binoculars... lol..
 
I appreciate both of the last two comments, really. I don't have any fear of not taking a nice buck. I do feel that I could go down there unguided and come home with a nice buck. But I don't want a "nice" buck. I want a phenominal buck and I just don't have the time that would be needed to scout for that caliber of a buck. Let me take that back, I could take the time off but it would cost me more money than I am willing to spend on any buck.

I have only been on one guided hunt in my life and it was last year for dall sheep. I didn't end up getting my sheep but I can say that I have never hunted so hard in my life even though I was guided. The things that I learned from my guide were worth the price I paid to go on that hunt. I learned how to pack so much lighter than I have ever packed before, foods to bring, equipment that I don't like and do like. It was an awesome learning experience for me. He made me a much better hunter, and I hope to gain the same type of experience on this hunt (minus the not getting my animal part).
 
Marley,
Huge congrats on the best tag in the world!! I really don't get why guys care whether you go on the hunt guided or unguided. Your tag, your choice and none of our business.

I would have similar thoughts as you have shared if I ever got lucky enough to draw a tag of this quality.

I don't care whether you go guided or unguided. I just hope you have an amazing hunt and share some of it with us when you get back!! Best of luck and enjoy the experience that we would all die to have!
 
Good luck I am sure you will have a good hunt.

While I have hunted with guides who are friends I have never hired a guide for a hunt. If it were my tag and even with the price tag I would have to look real hard at the same guide you did.

Good luck I hope you have a great hunt and kill a HOG..
 
Marley Congrats on the TAG! Also You will have a great time with Doyle. He is a great guy and I know you guys will put down a buck over 200!! Make sure to take lots of pics and have a good time. Hopefully that new 300RUM will be all broke in and have some range practice before the hunt!! P.S. That rifle looks amazing. How does she shoot?
 
Thanks Cahunter, I haven't been able to take it out to the range yet because the weather's been pretty cruddy lately. I'm hoping this next weekend though. I found out about the tag and got a call from the gunsmith telling me that it was done after one year waiting, on the same day. That day ranked in my top 10 for sure.
 
ElkhunterUtard
I dont think anyone cares if marley goes guided or unguided.Thought he was asking what other hunters views were.He'll kill a bigger buck with a guide.No doubt.I would like to give my opinion on the Utah lottery not draw.Utah screwed alot of NR hunters 1st by charging us a license fee.Alright I bit the bullet on that and kept applying to collect bonus points.Then they changed the rules so you could apply for more than one species per year.Now the draw is so diluted with a thousand more hunters you can count on never drawing a tag.Your odds with 0 points are almost the same with 10 now.Marley you are extremely lucky!!!!! Utah has a lottery now not a draw.I started drawing for Mtn.Goat 7 years ago thinking if I kept it up for 20years I could get into a 10 to 20% chance at drawing.Now I could apply for 30years and never beat 1%. Utah screwed alot of hunters like oregan did by changing the rules in the middlle of the game.I pretty much wasted my time and money applying to Utah.Although it did benefit a small few.Marley for one of course.You lucky SOB.I did apply for points only this year but after looking at the draw odds it doesnt make sense to keep accumulating points any more. Trophys are measured in inches.Not if its guided or unguided but I would go DIY and shoot a 170" buck because I am a hunting fool.
 
Magnummatt, if you don't think anyone cares if Marley goes guided or unguided, what would give you the idea that we care if you would go DIY or not? :)

The man has "booked" the hunt folks! I just can't see these posts of telling him how you'd do it different...

Joey
 
>ElkhunterUtard
>I dont think anyone cares if
>marley goes guided or unguided.Thought
>he was asking what other
>hunters views were.He'll kill a
>bigger buck with a guide.No
>doubt.I would like to give
>my opinion on the Utah
>lottery not draw.Utah screwed alot
>of NR hunters 1st by
>charging us a license fee.Alright
>I bit the bullet on
>that and kept applying to
>collect bonus points.Then they changed
>the rules so you could
>apply for more than one
>species per year.Now the draw
>is so diluted with a
>thousand more hunters you can
>count on never drawing a
>tag.Your odds with 0 points
>are almost the same with
>10 now.Marley you are extremely
>lucky!!!!! Utah has a lottery
>now not a draw.I started
>drawing for Mtn.Goat 7 years
>ago thinking if I kept
>it up for 20years I
>could get into a 10
>to 20% chance at drawing.Now
>I could apply for 30years
>and never beat 1%. Utah
>screwed alot of hunters like
>oregan did by changing the
>rules in the middlle of
>the game.I pretty much wasted
>my time and money applying
>to Utah.Although it did benefit
>a small few.Marley for one
>of course.You lucky SOB.I did
>apply for points only this
>year but after looking at
>the draw odds it doesnt
>make sense to keep accumulating
>points any more.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Trophys are
>measured in inches.Not if its
>guided or unguided but I
>would go DIY and shoot
>a 170" buck because I
>am a hunting fool.
>


Well, you got the fool part correct.
 
Thanks Aya
Fool was the Key word. You got it. Very good.You are so smart.

If you where a NR sitting in the max point pool for the Henrys hunt.You know what I mean. Marleys good fortune was a slap in the face from Utah division of wildlife who sold you out.It would be different if the rules where the same from the start.Changing the rules in the middle of the game was a sell out.I dont care if anyone goes guided or unguided.Shoots a 100" or 300" buck as long as they have a great time is all that really matters anywho.Just like Utah or anyone else really gives a Sh t that Im going to try and get my Goat tag in Idaho where the odds and the cost of applying looks alot better know.Oh yea by the way I hear there are more changes coming from Utah next year.They are going to change the name of the Henrys mtn. unit to Brokeback Mtn. or is that just rumor?
 
Congrats on the tag! With your luck a 300 inch buck wouldn't be out of the question. I'm jealous as hell!

NO GUTS, NO STORY!!


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well it looks like marley gets to hang out with stinky in the forum for idiot hunters who have to hire guides cuz we suck at hunting and can't find animals without 30 million spottes. Welcome to the club marley lol



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I think you are missing the point. He asked for opinions on whether he should hire a guide or not? To compare using a guide to using modern equipment is a bit of a stretch dont you think? If he had posted he drew this tag and hired a guide I would not have posted other than to say good luck. He asked for opinions and I gave him mine. To me the hunt involves trying to figure out where to go and what to do. If I took you hunting to my area and told you where I had been seeing big bucks and said I think you should sit in this canyon we have seen a buck that hangs out in those rocks up there and then you shot that buck I would be happy for you but in my mind that would be partially my buck. That is how the guides feel on these hunts. They found them, scouted them, took the hunters to them and did everything short of pulling the trigger. I just think you can not have the complete experience if you go guided. I do not mean you can not have a great time, meet great people, and have a great experience. Best of luck! I am sorry that guys got their feathers ruffled.
 
What's up with all the hate.
Will the World stop spinning if he gets a guided hunt or not.
Because he didn't take some-ones advice to do a DIY hunt it's a bad thing.
Marley Please just go and have the hunt of a lifetime with or without a guide. It will not make a different to me.
BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE A FUN HUNT THAT WILL MATTER TO ME. brought to you by the Utah State bureau of Tourism.


"I have found if you go the extra mile it's Never crowded".
 
Marley, Have a blast and kill the biggest pig on the mountain... PS- I want to call it right now on where they position you for your big buck. They will put you by the radio tower to the south of sage flats and watch the canyon to the north and the canyon just to the south of the radio tower. Maybe now would be a good time to cancel the guide and send me a nice thank you card:) Have a good time and best of luck!
 
When I started this thread it was about 5 minutes after I got the hit from the CC company. I was still in shock as you can imagine. I did not know at that time whether I should go guided or not. After a couple of days of thinking about it and talking to my dad and brothers and many HELPFUL people on this site through this thread and PMs I decided to go guided. So to clear up you unhelpful post, I wasn't decided until other's advice came along. Thanks though for your concern.
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-22-10 AT 04:50PM (MST)[p]Hey Marley, see you down there. Just found out my wife drew a rifle tag for the henries. Cant wait, its going to be a blast!!!
 
Relax.

I am sure you were shocked. I put it for the same tag and probably would have passed out. Personally, I would have let it soak in a bit.

Like I said before. Congrats on the tag and good luck...
 
>I wish it was like pulling
>teeth....that's easy!!


I actually need a dentist and WP would be great!
 
Even if you are a DIY hunter, with a tag that 99.9% of hunters would never draw in their whole life, you gotta go guided. Especially where you obviously have the funds to cover it, I mean your family who you would be hunting with anyway will be there also to take in the experience anyway. You will have the rest of your life for DIY hunts and Im sure you will do that after this anyway. But where you already said you dont really know the area that well, take advantage of the best expertise around.
 
Hey Marley I am joining the party late, but congratulations. I sent you a PM.

I am sure I speak for everyone that we wish you the best of luck and look forward to the pictures!!!..

BearCat
 
Nothing better than the network of help and eyes you get with an outfitter. One guy would spend more scouting than the guide fee and still not have as much general local knowledge of a new area.
The only downside of an outfitter is where you stand in the seniority list if he has more than one hunter. With my experience the seniority list is generally past clients and Money who paid the most for the tag.

For a once in a lifetime hunt mortgage the house if you have to but get all the help you can.

Good Luck
 

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