$40 for NOTHIN!

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lbeaumont11

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This is getting to be ridiculous. $10 application fee (to cover what costs? It's electronic!) $30 combo license (that no one actually wants), just to find out you can't even DRAW an archery deer tag. Too rich for my blood. I just want to chase deer with my bow, I don't want to fund their other projects that have nothing to do with mule deer. Anyone else agree with me?
 
Do the app. by mail and put archery as your first choice and you might have drawn. If you just want to chase deer with your bow its not that hard.
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-27-10 AT 07:05AM (MST)[p]I have heard a lot of people complain about how much the combo hunt and fishing license cost with all the stamps, etc, here in NV. For me to play every year, with the lion tag and all the stamps is $130. Add to that $110 a year in applications for all species. I figure that is CHEAP. I have seen people spend $5 a day for a COFFEE!! I fish and hunt 2-3 days a week, which averages out to about 110 days a year, or about $1.00 per day. Pretty cheap in comparison.

Most of the people I see complain about this are also driving $40,000 trucks and have some of the nicest luxury items around. They are also the ones who will complain about how their particular state is managing a particular species, but do very little in the way of on the ground work helping those species out.

Later,

Marcial
 
Nope can't agree at all. Maybe you don't spend it on other things like $5 cups of coffee or even worse bottled water but $40 is pretty cheap compared to applying in states that require a license purchase to build points. Good luck.
 
You know archery elk tags in utah are unlimited. buy one over the counter.....oh wait thats too easy cuz like you said....
"I don't want to fund their other projects that have nothing to do with mule deer."






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If it cost nothing to get PP or enter the draw for tags more people would do it......thus making it harder to "chase deer with my bow". So I always look at the application fee and the upfront money to be refunded later as a way to weed out people who arent serious about it. So I have no problem with it.
 
I guess what I'm saying is that $40 is too much for the service they're providing (an application fee). I wouldn't mind paying more for the actually deer tag, in fact, I would probably pay a lot more. I just can't stand giving away $40 for nothing in return. Their ?bonus point? is not worth $40 to me.
 
Just because it's electronic doesn't mean it doesn't cost the state anything as Founder can attest to bandwidth isn't free, there's also 3% credit card processing fees, servers, and server upkeep just to name a few. They also probably employee full time programmers or high priced consultants to keep up with the website as well as all the other applications the state uses.
 
I would think the millions that they make off the $10 fee would be plenty to cover those costs time and time again. But it's not enough to fund their other progams, hence the addtional $30 combo they have you buy.
 
Put archery as your first choice, problem solved!

It costs money for everything in this world especially if someone is doing a service for you. There not going to do it for free.

If your bugged about 40 bucks a year for a chance to hunt, add up all the money you spend just in toilet paper to wipe your A$$. Then you will really throw a shi-t fit.
 
I play the non-res game in UT, NV, NM, CO and WY. Don't ask how much I spent to "subsidize" the resident hunters in those state.

This year I spent a whopping $15 to draw an Alaska resident LE Chugach Range Dall Sheep tag. Woohoo!!! Like the Carter's say: "Apply, apply and apply some more".
 
Like others have already said - if you wanted to hunt bad enough you could have put archery as your first choice and you would have drawn for sure.
 
I couldnt disagree with you more. You are getting something in return.You are getting the management and regulation they provide. I dont know about your state but here we have biologists and game wardens in the field every day. They are doing deer counts and keeping the poachers at bay so that you can chase deer with your bow. Every thing costs money and hunting is no exception.

I'd pay loads more than that(and I do) just so i'm not sitting at home farting on my nuts.
 
That was part of the problem before. THe majority would apply for LE permits for 5 dollars and do nothing to help with the expense of manageing wildlife.

If you have a combination license you can fish, hunt birds, and help pay management fees so you can have things to hunt in the future.
 
>I guess what I'm saying is
>that $40 is too much
>for the service they're providing
>(an application fee). I
>wouldn't mind paying more for
>the actually deer tag, in
>fact, I would probably pay
>a lot more. I just
>can't stand giving away $40
>for nothing in return. Their
>?bonus point? is not worth
>$40 to me.


Then don't put in. And don't buy the Combo. Buy just the Hunting licence and save $4.00 and don't go fishing. Ever. Seriously, maybe you should just stay home. We wouldn't want you to get your skirt dirty.
 
Let's not forget that there are plenty of "serious hunters" out there struggling to feed a family and keep a roof over their heads. Some here are better off than others but that doesn't make them "more serious".

That said, even with the bad economy that has seriously effected my businesses income, i'm going to find the moneys for hunting licenses and tags to hunt. Not this year but some years it adds up to thousands but i have always considered it money well spent. If i knew that they would put more Game Wardens and competent biologists in the field to enhance and protect our wildlife, yes, i'd be willing to pay even more.

Joey
 
My point was would you rather pay $40 plus the full tag price (refunded if not drawn) and have a 10% of drawing or nothing and have a .001% chance of drawing ?

I believe all classes of people should be able to hunt. But $40 isnt that much anymore. And it goes to a just cause.
 
I don't mind the $30 for a combo license. I buy one anyway. And I think it helps keep people from entering all their relatives who don't hunt in the drawing. The $10 PER APPLICATION is a little chafing though. General deer, LE, Once in a lifetime...I'm paying $30 just in application fees every year. And that money doesn't go to help wildlife. The application fees go entirely to administer the drawing and the rest is profit for "Wildlife Administrative Services", the private company in Nevada. Seriously, it does not take $30 per hunter for them to provide a little bandwidth and a few emails/letters per year. How many applications are there? 300,000? Yeah $3 million could buy a lot of bandwidth. $10 per hunter may be reasonable, $10 per hunt is ridiculous.

It does suck that its getting harder to draw a tag. But I hear a lot of complaints about crowding as well. A lot of hunters and only a few deer, sometimes you just have to wait your turn.
 
I'm hoping you're kidding. Otherwise you're a dumbass. $30 bucks for a license and $10 to apply. Compared to a tank of fuel or a few combo meals at McDonalds. Or a can of chew, six pack of Mountain Dew or whatever your vice of choice is. Resident hunting and fishing licenses are THE cheapest part of the hobby. I suggest you just don't apply. Get yourself a new hobby like World of Warcraft or knitting or something. And "the millions" they make? Get real.
 
Looks like I'm going to have to accept defeat on this one. You all made very good points. Thanks for your comments.
 
beaumont- Just think of this as you're the husband and everyone on this thread is your wife. YOU know how you feel but it doesn't really matter now, does it? If you're not married yet, you will know what I mean after being married for 10 years!

IMO, $40 is hella cheap! I spend a minimum of $350 on licenses/points a year. I do it because I love to hunt and I don't spend money on anything else but hunting. You can ask my wife!! It kills her!! :)

Steve
 
I would agree with most on here that you "have to pay to play". I do think beaumont has a point though. I have been applying in roughly six states for the last 10 years or so and the price of admission has gone up significantly in the last few years. I recently spent a few minutes adding up what I was spending a year just to apply in those states and I believe it was around $800 just in app fees.....not tag cost. The rough #s are as follows and would vary depending on how many species you apply for. AZ - $170 NV - $210 UT - $100 MT - $50 CO - $50 WY - $200.
About 4 years ago the states started figuring out they could make a lot of $ selling bonus points and that hunters were willing to pay the price. I am shocked that Idaho and NM have not gotten in on this action.....although NM makes up for it with their $27/species application fee.
Mike-TN (not complaining....just observing :))
 
+1 to most of what has been posted. It's a matter of perspective. I spent $90 on fees for my son and me. $90 bought me 90 days of hoping that we might draw. Well worth it. On the other hand last Friday I took my son and his wife to Texas Roadhouse for dinner, my wife and daughter in-law had chicken salads, my son and I each had a great steak. COST $90. You know what happened to that steak the next day?........ If you can't afford it or it's not worth it, don't spend it.
 
Just feel lucky you have public ground to hunt on. Just went on a turkey hunt here in Texas - the combo license for a resident was $50 - actually a bargain, but since there is no public land, we had to go to a ranch for $100 per day per gun with a $100 per bird kill fee, and actually that is quite a bargain. Most ranches charge upwards of $250 - $350 per gun per day with $200 kill fee. The other option I have is to lease the land from a private owner that can cost upwards of $1500 - $7500 per year depending on the area, quality and quantity of game. I could put in to draw for a public land tag too, but good luck winning that lottery. Suddenly that $40 doesn't seem so bad does it.


UTROY
Proverbs 21:19 (why I hunt!)
 
"I am shocked that Idaho and NM have not gotten in on this action.....although NM makes up for it with their $27/species application fee"

Believe me, they have it "figured out". Its called a "non-refundable" license (Idaho).

Then you think you are getting a great deal in New Mexico and add up each $27 fee you have by putting in your family, and realize there are no good deals! Unless that is...you draw lol...
 
Yes Idaho really sticks it to you with the non-refundable tag but I am surpised they have not started a point program. I would guess they would draw many more applicants if they offered a bonus point with their non-refundable tag.
Mike-TN
 
$40 to hunt and fish all year to much maybe you should pick up golf or wait, maybe not. will somebody please help this guy out and help him find a hobby as fun as fishing that he can do year round for less than $40
 
Not sure golf is going to work. Most places are well above the $40 for one round! Let's see $40 might get him an annual subscription to 2 hunting magazines. Now there's some entertainment!
 
MikeTN, You got that right. State G&F are now far more interested in selling the opportunity to NOT hunt.

I think the only reason CO, NM & AZ have not jumped on board even more is they still look at NR hunters as having tourist value.
 
You tightwads bust me up!

How about you pay by the hour to hunt or fish? That's how you earn a living, right? So every day you spend affield you pay a day of your salary.

Somebody has to maintain roads, print licenses and regulations, maintain offices, support biologists, chase poachers, clean campgrounds, haul trash,.....yada, yada, yada,.

I don't often hear people thanking the particular state for the animals they took during a season, or seasons.

It is what it is....grow a pair and STFU!....or play golf.
 
$40 for a bonus point?? As a non-resident who applies all over the place, I only wish most states cost so little!
 
Amen to Glacial, I am all in on NM,CO,NV,AZ,WY,MT,SD,KY,IA,UT,KS,OR,PA! We are talking $30k+ w/about $3k permanantly gone! I am not a wealthy man, but I do wish it were all upfront cash. Athough I subscribe to The Huntin Fool, I can only guess how the odds would increase if application services were banned such as Cabela's TAGS! IN addition I just got drawn for my SD mule deer tag $505!!! I have my own ground to hunt!!!!!!!!
 
Dang Delmag, maybe your not wealthy but your not doin too shabby to be able to put in for all those states! That's impressive.
I got to get my wife in here and show her your post. Let her know things could be a lot worse!

"The value of any trophy from the field depends not on its size but on the magnitude of the effort expended in its pursuit." ~ Aldo Leopold
 
I am in a similar situation. I have put in all the western states for most species for 30 years.I too wish you had to send the cash to all of them. As of today I have a total of 125 bonus points in diffent states. The difference is I am not a HUNTING FOOL that supports the very services that have helped raise the odds to make it impossible to draw. Before 2002 I drew a tag or two every year somewhere. Before then had an archery elk tag almost every year somewhere. Since then 0 with the exception of a western expo tag. Can't knock the the tag services they have found a way to get all the Hunting Fools to pay them enough money that they can buy their tags.
 
Buck,
It takes a careful utilization of my credit cards and a $25k personal line of credit, but it is the only way that I can see to get any tags. Through the draws thus far all I have is a WY general elk (100% draw), SD MD (67%), and a OIL WSMR Oryx tag! At 42, I hope to be hunting myself silly by 50. Pretty sure I will pick up a KS WT and a SD antelope (2nd choice).
 
Del, I'm the same age as you but you're better off than me in the points game. I think I need to step it up! lol
I apply in CA, CO, AZ, UT, NV, and WY, and every year my wife craps a brick when she sees the bank statements. Maybe someday she'll get used to it:)
I'm sure your planning will pay off. You have some great hunting to look forward too in the future!

"The value of any trophy from the field depends not on its size but on the magnitude of the effort expended in its pursuit." ~ Aldo Leopold
 
The whole key was maintaining my own checkbook/credit cards from many moons ago when I was single. My wife actually knows very little about the whole process (except she tires of my never ending research!). The only thing that she nags about is the taxidermy bills. I knew that sooneer or later my $200 price that I told her, would be outed by one of my buddies! I just love to hunt. I usually go out of state 4-6 times depending on what tags I draw.
 

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