Huntin Fool Carter Kills

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OK, I'm not a Huntin' Fool subscriber, so I'm probably a bit behind, but I was just looking at some of the deer that both Jason and Garth Carter have killed in recent years. INCREDIBLE!

I was just wondering, how the heck they do that? I know they go on LOTS of hunts each year, therefore it seems that scouting each area real good would be tough to do. I understand that they probably scout all summer, but still, I KNOW that finding big deer is hard......and they're not just finding "big" deer, but giants. 270, 250, many 220ish.

Do you guys find deer like that each year? I don't. I will admit, I probably don't hunt as many real good places as those guys do, but still, even in the best places, finding deer like that is hard.

Do they share in their magazines secrets of how "they" do it? Do those of you who subscribe feel like it has helped you to kill bigger bucks and bulls? If I were a subscriber, would I kill 220, 250, and 270 bucks every year???? If so, I'll pry open my tight ____ and send the $100.00. LOL

Really, it's pretty amazing the kind of deer they've killed. I guess I need to spend more time in the hills!!!!!!!!!!
I'm just wondering, what is it that they're doing? Is it all about connections? Getting people to share where they've found big deer? Do they use many guides on their hunts?
My buddy was telling me that Jason Carter uses a chute plane, but that same buddy telling me that also has a chute plane, and he don't kill GIANT bucks like that.
Do they have hunting buddies they hunt with? And do their buddies kill giants all the time?

Just amazing is all.

Brian Latturner
MonsterMuleys.com
 
It is amazing. I have been a member and talked to garth and jason a few times. the more I find out about them the more I don't want any part of there scams.they do use planes and they will steal your spots,ranches,ect. Thay also do a grat job covering up,playing dumb, and just denying the things they do. I will not send them anymore money for any thing.the more members they have the more and bigger animals will be killed by them. Do not give them money.
 
+1 outNabout. And for buddys My cousin is one of there buddies from wyoming, and lived by him when he lived in utah growing up. he flies with them and you never see them with bucks. But if someone is dumb enough to share info with any outfitter or magazine person is looking to lose there spot. The mag. does carry good info. but just borrow someones elses magazine its alot cheaper.
 
Ya, it does have some good info. But it is things like the mag that upsets me. They say they give info on draw odds yet they will not post odds on ther own drawing.when asked about it they say that thay have never figured out the odds.just more bullshit from the carters.
 
Whatever theox,they always say public. nobody can kill multiple 200 inch deer every year on the up and up. They brake the rules. Keep your pic
 
Founder..
Do that many Giagantic ones really exist?? With all of our passions and latest/ greatest gear it seems that some of us almost put everything in life into chasing! Thats why we all love it!! However if you really think about it, the tracts of land that are uncovered are almost becomming rare.. Granted there are plenty of places that are hopefully uncovered- or change year to year.

As for Carter's I am a member and I apreciate the magazine- I enjoy reading about others successes, and it is nice to call and get some details... kinda like networking! For 100$ what the hell!

I imagine the Carters started out with an idea and it progressed into opportunities that they cannot pass up. Almost purely a business for them now.. so they have to keep pushing the numbers to make their business more popular.

In the meantime I prefer dreaming about where those giants live and how to get the opportunity to chase them!
 
I am a member, and enjoy their magazines, but I dont partake on telling them the unit I drew and sharing my successes (then you lose your secret spot); however I dont think they do anything wrong- my opinion is that they have two things going for them: Time and Money (means to hunt all season long without worryng of expenses); I mean being their business they probably write off their Hunts on their taxes! I think if the majority od us had the means and time (and info from other members)- one would get a least a chanse at a 230 inch bugger every year! Just my humble opinion. But I love the mag.. I'll keep funding it cause I enjoy it!
-Zilla!
 
There must be some kind of "underground" connections going on that we're not privy to. I'm NOT saying illegal or unethical by any means. Certainly lots of dedication and hard work involved. It's almost like there is another loop out there that most of us are not in. Or maybe a higher plane is a better term.

I'm not jealous. More power to them and it is what it is. I don't subscribe either.

Eel
 
Its funny to read posts from all the haters out there! Most of what they say has no truth to it and they simply talk trash because they dont understand and a bit of jealosy.
I have a good friend that works for jason, I hear some of the storys first hand from those that were there. Not just made up BS that is always going around.
I can tell you that one of the biggest reasons they kill monster animals every year is because of there drive!!! They put in more time scouting, preparing and hunting then most people. Another reason is they are great hunters! I am convinced you could put jason, garth or the Hf staff on the moon and they would still find a way to kill a monster! Do they hunt some of the best units every year? yes! But they also are willing to try no name units and try there luck. And guess what? Even on lesser units they still kill monsters! why? because they put in the time! I know this for fact! I watched it happen last year while I was hunting, they were there 5-10 days early learning the unit trying to find a shooter before there hunt started.
They are normal people with a love for the outdoors. You will NEVER meet a group of better guys then those at Huntin Fool. How do I know??? I have been around them, shared the same camp fire and hunted the same unit that took less then 3 points to draw, and they still pulled 200 inch deer out of there.
I think if alot of us had unlimited time, money to hunt we also could kill awesome animals. But you still have to work hard at it and still get lucky. Most people are not willing to pass up a decent animal to try and harvest a monster. They will pass up great animals searching for a giant.
For all the haters that talk trash, and make up bs just to try and tear them down because of jealousy, hate . dont worry, you wont see them come on here to argue and fight and tear others down. Why? Because They Are Better Then That, they will turn the other cheek and let you smack them again. And then after you smacked the other side they would still give you the shirt off there back. Or at least pick Cacti out of your bottom.









<Stu Padasso Pro Staff

<Dixie Nourmous Field Staff
 
I can't believe it's just time afield. I doubt I spend as much time as they do out there, but I get out a bit and I haven't even seen a 250 buck in my life, nevermind killed a couple plus a few 220's when I'm not killing bigger.
Can they be just such great hunters that they just have a "sense" for where one of the top 20 bucks in a state lives? The pics I saw show that Jason killed a 270+ in Arizona a few years ago. That had to be one of the 5-10 biggest in the state that year. He killed a 220 buck last year in Utah! That had to be one of the biggest 10-20 in this state. He killed a giant cactus buck in Nevada last year...it had to be one of the biggest in that state. Plus a 194 incher in Colorado last year. A 250 in Utah this year! That could end up being the biggest in this state.
Garth kills several GIANT bucks plus a few GIANT bulls each year it appears.

The animals they are killing are SUPER rare, well, atleast I thought they were. That is why I'm asking you guys about the magazine, what you know about how they do it, etc.

I can see a guy killing a 200-inch"ish" buck every year if he really focuses on deer and spends lots of time locating and hunting one, maybe even spend a few dollars on a tag, BUT were not talking 200ish bucks, but numerous 220's, 250, 270!!!!!!! It's crazy! Does it just come to them in their sleep at night? Like...."250 buck at GPS cooridinates ****?"

For you guys who buy the magazine, has it helped you kill bigger animals or even increase your success? How?

Do they typically hunt alone? Do they have hired help helping to find these animals? Do they hunt a lot of private ground? Do they ever say in the magazine? Do they talk about flying to find big animals? Do they ever mention a geniue in a bottle told them where a 220 lives and they'll kill him on opening day and then a 390 bull the next day?

Questions, questions, I know, but I'm just amazed with their success. They must have their own "personal" taxidermist. LOL

Brian Latturner
MonsterMuleys.com
 
I agree with what you say one_dryboot, jealousy by many out there (Most see pics of Giants and everybody would like to be the lucky hunter- me included). I dont know them personally but I can tell by what they write in their mag that they have alot of drive, skill and persaverence (however you spell it). My opinion though is that the average Joe has only 2 weeks off from work a year, (if you are married one-cause you have to take the wife out on nice trip), that is just not enough time to have a chance at a giant without a great tag or help from an outfitter. They have alot going for them and their hard work pays off. (I get only 2 weeks off a year- one will be for Hawaii to marry my fiance).
-Zilla
 
MONEY MONEY MONEY, that is how they do it each year i saw it last year, in my home town. It is sad the normal hunter gets pushed out by the big $$$ so the cover of there mag looks good so they can con some poor sucker to join the club.
 
Most of us are looking for that 1 in 100 buck to shoot each year. The caliber of bucks I see those guys with are 1 in 5000. There is no way I believe they are taking that kind of buck because they get to camp a few days earlier or stay out in the woods a few hours longer each day. It doesn't add up. Somehow they are using a much larger network of spotters than you or I. They are also getting tags that an average hunter doesn't have access to year after year. So whether it's friends, money, something unethical, I really have no idea. But regardless of how the network is functioning it's not something an average hunter can attain. I just don't have the means to scout 5000+ bucks each season to find the biggest one, or to obtain tags each year for areas where a 230" buck is a 1 in 100.
 
Founder, seems to me your just wanting to draw attention at the cost of carters name.
Let me ask you this??? If I wanted to know how Founder seems to kill big bucks every year(better then the average guy) WOuld I call Stinkystomper and ask him? or would I just get ahold of you???
If you truly want to know these questions that you are asking why dont you just call HF and ask them???? After all isn't the best source of info going straigt to the source???
They can answer your questions a hell of a lot better then any of these arm chair know it alls!




<Stu Padasso Pro Staff

<Dixie Nourmous Field Staff
 
Have you noticed people who kill giant Deer, elk or what ever rarely post on monster muley's? Maybe he was out hunting while you were writing lame ass posts on the internet Brian? Jason has killed 2 giant bucks on public land in Utah's general season units with his bow. His arizona buck came after years of applying with max points, waiting, scouting and finally drawing the best Az. unit. Jason hasn't bought any auction tags or paid tresspass fees to hunt private or hired guides. Everything he has killed has been a draw tag or an over the counter permit. Also I don't think I have ever seen Jason or anyone else who killed a giant show up on Monster Muleys asking, "hey I just drew a deer tag, don't want anyone's honey hole but where should I go to find a deer".
Funny how any time someone kills a giant the jealous clowns show up. People who know nothing of the events suddely are authorities on the how and what.
 
im not saying they break the rules or what not but i believe some of there ethics are under question and im not here to point fingers or say i am better then they are but the question of ethics does come into play and as long as they can live with what they do then more power to them
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-28-10 AT 01:24PM (MST)[p]>Founder, seems to me your
>just wanting to draw attention
>at the cost of carters
>name.
> Let me
>ask you this??? If I
>wanted to know how Founder
>seems to kill big bucks
>every year(better then the average
>guy) WOuld I
>call Stinkystomper and ask him?
>or would I just get
>ahold of you???
>
>If you truly want to
>know these questions that you
>are asking why dont you
>just call HF and ask
>them???? After
>all isn't the best source
>of info going straigt to
>the source???
> They can
>answer your questions a hell
>of a lot better then
>any of these arm chair
>know it alls!
>
>
>
>
><Stu Padasso Pro Staff
>
><Dixie Nourmous Field Staff


Exactly. Seems what's good for the goose is not always good for the gander around here. Start a thread questioning some guy shooting a buck in Wyoming out from under a teenager (and a poor shot at that!), Ryan Hatch's or Mike Brownlee's ethics (both of whom are convicted poachers), or chute planes, etc. and it'll get nuked quicker than you can bat an eye.
 
I have been lurking for the better part of 10 yrs, and yes this is my first post, so go easy boys (and Triple K).
I worked with Jason while we were going to school. We were both newly married, and hung out a little. All we ever talked about were big mule deer. He told me about his dads love a big muleys and the time that they put in to research, scouting and hunting each year. Jason was also afflicted with the bug. It was easy for them to start the monthly research papers, because they were already doing the research for themselves. They were in the mountians, in multiple states, for weeks on end. That is commitment.
Think about athletes that go pro. They put everything they have into their art. If you train, eat, scout/research, everyday year round, you have the chance to become like those who are ultra successful. We are talking about the best of the best. Not everyone who makes the NBA or MLB becomes a superstar. Not everyone is going to kill 200" monsters every year. But spending the time each day to better your craft gives you a better opportunity. I believe that is the difference.
Think about those hunters who have never shot a buck larger than a 2 point. When you show him your photos of 4 point bucks you pass on or kill every year, they are blown away that it can be done. Then you go to the next level, killing 25" 165 class bucks. But for some reason you can't hit the 30" 190 class level (that is me). You have to ask yourself, what are they doing that I am not. It is total commitment. Unfortunately, we would all like to do that, but life won't allow it. Until I can move to the next level, I have to just admire and learn from those who do.
 
Geeez!!! I was just amazed at the success. Since I've never read the Huntin Fool, I was curious if it has helped others. Heck, I'm patting them on the backs!!!!!!

I can assure you guys who are looking out for the Carter's, that I didn't post this to in any way hurt them. I'm just wondering about the magazine and if what the Carter's know is being shared. etc. Just amazed. You guys are getting WAY too defensive!!

None of posts here are saying they did anything wrong to get the animals. Just talkin'. Your opinions are welcome though. Just know that I'm not accusing them of anything, but would love to know the secret.

BTW, Foreman4x4, it wasn't a teenager, it was two adults! I'm sure you're sorry.

Brian Latturner
MonsterMuleys.com
 
Tank - Ya, I definitely appreciate the efort they put into it. It's just amazing is all that they get so many huge animals each year.
I guess they are just the chosen ones of the sport....like Mike (Jordan). I guess there were plenty of other 6'6" ball players in the world, but yet he was the king, for some reason I'm sure others couldn't grasp.

I'm just amazed that it's just a matter of "time" in teh field. And some money of course. The caliber of deer they shoot is right up there with what governors tag holders who have 10 guides and finders fees working for them get....if they're lucky!!!

Brian Latturner
MonsterMuleys.com
 
how many guys can commit 10 days before a hunt scouting and 10 days after to do the killing and still stayed married and employed. That is why these guys kill big deer consistently. They can commit to the time it takes to make it happen.

Mike
 
Ok well while we are asking for secrets, Whats yours??? How do you consistently kill big deer ??? How many 200+ deer have you shot?? And why is it that you seem to find more big bucks then most people. is it because you work harder? hunt different? walk farther? or just have a sence of where to look?
Im being serious!!!


<Stu Padasso Pro Staff

<Dixie Nourmous Field Staff
 
Just one little piece of the pie.
I deer hunted once with Jason. We would get up in the morning, hunt and then meet back for lunch and trade notes. I would see a couple of small bucks and he would see 8 to 10 bucks. In the evening same thing happened. This went on for several days with the same results. One evening we hunted together. We did a lot of hiking to points and then glassing. Every time he would see the deer first and usually see ones that I didn't. I am old enough to be Jason's father so my eyes are not what they were but I still do OK. He has incredible eyes and even more important he knows where to look and what to look for. I can't even begin to imagine how many hours he has spent glassing in his life.
 
They network with a lot of people that know giant bucks. I kind of feel sorry for them in a way, having to produce a couple giant bucks every stinkin year.I dont care what anybody says good writing doesnt sell magazines but giant bucks do. I use to be a hardcore member even writing a few stories for them, talking to them a lot. They seem like good people and never did give me bad info. But I had to start cutting back so they got the ax.I still look at every issue but Im sorry theres just not much there a guy doesnt already know. BH1
 
>Geeez!!! I was just amazed at
>the success. Since I've never
>read the Huntin Fool, I
>was curious if it has
>helped others. Heck, I'm patting
>them on the backs!!!!!!
>
>I can assure you guys who
>are looking out for the
>Carter's, that I didn't post
>this to in any way
>hurt them. I'm just wondering
>about the magazine and if
>what the Carter's know is
>being shared. etc. Just amazed.
>You guys are getting WAY
>too defensive!!
>
>None of posts here are saying
>they did anything wrong to
>get the animals. Just talkin'.
>Your opinions are welcome though.
>Just know that I'm not
>accusing them of anything, but
>would love to know the
>secret.
>
>BTW, Foreman4x4, it wasn't a teenager,
>it was two adults! I'm
>sure you're sorry.
>
>Brian Latturner
>MonsterMuleys.com


The only person who's sorry here is the guy who lets his drive for pictures/stories of killing "big" bucks to promote a website to skew his judgement and common sense, whether it was adults, teenagers, or space creatures. Your jealousy of Carter's is not surprising at all, the only surprise is that it's taken this long to publicly surface.
 
Man one_dryboot, I would say there is a HUGE difference between the 180 bucks I kill (with something better mixed in once in a while) and the 220 to 270 bucks they kill. I guess that is why I'm amazed. I have seen one "wild" buck (227") that even compares to what they kill, pretty much every year.

I guess that is what has me most amazed, is that because I spend a decent amount of time in the hills, I have a little knowledge, I can hike, I can spot deer, but yet I can't produce anywhere near what they are producing....NOTHING NEAR!!!

Like I said, they do spend more time afield than I do, it's just hard for me to imagine that that's the difference. I'm sure it is. I'm sure also that they do hunt more better areas. Maybe the combination is the difference..????
I seen Garth has hunted elk in Utah the past 3 years. I guess if they're hunting great units, in many states, and have lots of time, then that could be the trick.
Do they ever say in their magazine how many days they scout the particular deer or elk they kill? Do they hire guides often? Do they say if they fly and find the bucks or bulls? Trail cams??

I don't get the magazines. I don't hunt enough different animals and states to need it. But I like to know what they share. I'm not going to call them and ask, "what are all your tricks?" I thought maybe they shared a few and those who subscribe would say. Maybe they say in the mag., 'we hunt with guides, or we found this one flying, or we found this one with a trail cam, or we bought a voucher here or there and found this one, etc."

Obviously I have heard all the BS about the Carter's just like others, and I except it as that BS, so I was hoping we could just admire their awesome success and discuss what they're doing to be so successful.

You want to know why I kill the ones I do, because I only hunt deer, try to scout a lot, usually hunt 7 - 15 or more days each year, and hunt the best units I can draw or buy a voucher for. BUT, what I kill is far different than what they kill. It's INSANE the huge stuff they are getting....incredible.

Brian Latturner
MonsterMuleys.com
 
I would do it again Foreman4x4! And I didn't kill him to promote my site, I would have done it even if I owned a bakery. MonsterMuleys.com's success has NOTHING to do with whether I kill deer or not. But I'm flattered that you follow me close enough to think that.

I'm not jealous of the Carter's. Good for them! I am definitely envious though. They've whacked some pigs.

Brian Latturner
MonsterMuleys.com
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-28-10 AT 03:15PM (MST)[p]What ever happened to that thread anyway? Why don't you bring it back and open it up for all to see AND post their thoughts on?...
 
It's in the archives dude. You can play like I try to hide stuff, but I don't. I told the story as it happened, and would do it again if I were in the same position. Obviously I hope I'm not though.

Brian Latturner
MonsterMuleys.com
 
>It's in the archives dude. You
>can play like I try
>to hide stuff, but I
>don't. I told the story
>as it happened, and would
>do it again if I
>were in the same position.
>Obviously I hope I'm not
>though.
>
>Brian Latturner
>MonsterMuleys.com

Then why was it locked?
 
It's the same old story when someone is really good at something. There are other people who are jealous and want to tear that person down. I have a little secret. It won't make anyone feel better criticizing someone else. It won't make you a better hunter casting doubt upon another hunter's success. It won't make people like you more, and it won't compensate for all of your insecurities.

I wouldn't say I know the Carters well, but I know them well enough to say they are an extremely talented hunting family. Their track record speaks for itself, and year after year, the bogus stories about how they were unethical or did something illegal get dispelled.

I can tell you what makes the Carter's successful. It's no secret. It has to do with time, talent, drive, and innovation. They aren't afraid to hunt new areas. In fact, most of the animals they harvest are from different areas. I know a lot of hunters who guard their secret areas yet never seem to kill anything all that special from those secret areas. The fact of the matter is that a big buck or big bull or big whatever is where he is and that's usually not in the secret areas that people hunt year after year. If you do happen to kill a monster buck from your secret area, he's dead. That means he's gone. If you keep hunting the same area hoping to kill another one, fact is, you probably won't.

Do you want to see 260" mule deer or maybe even hunt them? Then get out in new areas and try new things. Stay ahead of the game. Look for areas that are beginning to come on strong. Predict mule deer cycles and be there before the masses are because by then it is probably too late. Carters have an uncanny ability to predict these cycles. It could be that Garth worked for a long time as a wildlife biologist, or it might be that they really do their homework, but the Carter's predict these cycles with amazing accuracy. If you don't believe me, just talk to Jason or Garth and you will understand. They know hunting.

I don't usually post here, but I feel it is imperative that this jealousy and needless criticism must stop. Nothing positive comes of it. No evidence is ever provided to support these accusations other than a nameless face typing garbage on a computer. I think we all can be better than that.
 
Well heck, I guess it's my turn.... I'm not a member of HuntinFool but two of my best friends and hunting buddies have been members for some time.Last year we drew New Mexico elk tags for unit 15 1st season. Through our own research and phone conversations with Garth and Jason we we able to shoot 3 nice bulls in three days. The info they provided was extremely helpful, the best recommendation was to arrive a week early along with areas to check. The more research done followed by more phone calls to Garth and Jason the better the info they shared. They definately have the passion it takes to be successful on hunting monster bulls and bucks. I'll bet we all wished we had the opportunity to spend as much time as they do in the field. We'd all be more successful. Funny thing, one of those buddies of mine just sent us an E-mail to me today on the success rate of our hunt in unit 15....only 36% success for our hunt. Without their would we have been just as successful....maybe...but I really doubt it. If we are lucky enough to draw the tag again there's no doubt that we'd be 100% successful again. Remember passion and time usually equal success!!
 
Well NUNYA!
Guess You'll have to start giving me rides & show me what I can't find on my own on the South Slope!

In my eyes there is a few things that enhance your odds in taking a GIANT Buck,hunting in an area where there is one/some would help,management for decent Bucks would also help,almost 40 years now of PISS POOR Deer Herd management,Un-F'n-Real!

Foreman,You're just like an Elephant!}>}>}>

I love not acting my age,
Damn I love my NASCAR race,
And Hell yes I love my Truck!
 
>OK, I'm not a Huntin' Fool
>subscriber, so I'm probably a
>bit behind, but I was
>just looking at some of
>the deer that both Jason
>and Garth Carter have killed
>in recent years. INCREDIBLE!
>
>I was just wondering, how the
>heck they do that? I
>know they go on LOTS
>of hunts each year, therefore
>it seems that scouting each
>area real good would be
>tough to do. I understand
>that they probably scout all
>summer, but still, I KNOW
>that finding big deer is
>hard......and they're not just finding
>"big" deer, but giants. 270,
>250, many 220ish.
>
>Do you guys find deer like
>that each year? I don't.
>I will admit, I probably
>don't hunt as many real
>good places as those guys
>do, but still, even in
>the best places, finding deer
>like that is hard.
>
>Do they share in their magazines
>secrets of how "they" do
>it? Do those of you
>who subscribe feel like it
>has helped you to kill
>bigger bucks and bulls? If
>I were a subscriber, would
>I kill 220, 250, and
>270 bucks every year???? If
>so, I'll pry open my
>tight ____ and send the
>$100.00. LOL
>
>Really, it's pretty amazing the kind
>of deer they've killed. I
>guess I need to spend
>more time in the hills!!!!!!!!!!
>
>I'm just wondering, what is it
>that they're doing? Is it
>all about connections? Getting people
>to share where they've found
>big deer? Do they use
>many guides on their hunts?
>
>My buddy was telling me that
>Jason Carter uses a chute
>plane, but that same buddy
>telling me that also has
>a chute plane, and he
>don't kill GIANT bucks like
>that.
>Do they have hunting buddies they
>hunt with? And do their
>buddies kill giants all the
>time?
>
>Just amazing is all.
>
>Brian Latturner
>MonsterMuleys.com


If you had the money to pay a bunch of people in several states to spot a big buck for you, you would probably kill big bucks each year too.
 
Founder,

You only answered part of my question. let me ask again, HOW MANY 200 INCH DEER HAVE YOU HARVESTED???
The reason I ask is because I know you are out in the hills scouting more then most people. That is why you are more succesfull then most at killing "bigger" animals. Yes carters kill bucks that are on a whole different level. but you have killed some whoppers yourself. Why?? because you were able to put in the time and be in the right spot for that to happen. They are able to spend more time, energy, information, money.
If you were to talk to them you would be amazed at how much time they spend in the hills looking for big deer, studying maps,calls, ect. Its alot more time then you or I will ever have. Its not all about having time but it helps. Like others have said they have a huge network of people, information and they put it all to use. Jason rarely ever hunts the same unit twice but still manages to kill big ones. Both his utah archery bucks were killed with a general tag on public land that anyone can hunt.
Do they kill 250 class bucks every year? no! but if you hunt some of the best units whether it be draw tag or LO tag, and have enough tags in your pocket it helps your chances.

Here is my point. Alot of people would put you in the same position. Oh Founder must make alot of money and has tons of time to hunt some good spots because he kills big bucks! You are on a different level then alot of hunters but your not on the level as some. Thats how everything in life goes. some people are better at sports because they spend more time at it. I think you get my point. but then again maybe not?




<Stu Padasso Pro Staff

<Dixie Nourmous Field Staff
 
I guess I shouldn't have posted anything about it, just thought it could be a civilized thread about how they've been successful and whether them and their mag helps others a lot.

I should have known the lovers and haters would come out of the closets. Sorry to the Carter's if they think I started it to hurt them in anyway. I didn't.

It's too bad that people just have such strong emotions for and against some people. I really thought we could just discuss what they might be doing that most aren't.

I guess it's like talking politics and religion..........

Brian Latturner
MonsterMuleys.com
 
I'm jealous, but I don't really see anyone criticizing them (Carters). I'm jealous of Garth for having the success he's had with his business. I remember way back when, when I got one of his first publications (stapled together). The guy has done amazing and I'm sure he worked his butt off to get there. Jason just got lucky being born into the family. I don't subscribe and never will because I don't have the resources to hunt a lot of areas. Many people hate the Carters, but I wish I would have had the wherewithal to do what Garth did. "Unbelievable" is the word that comes to mind when I see the bucks they've killed. I, however, don't feel sorry for them for being under pressure to kill giant bucks. I can only imagine how great that would be having a job like that.
 
Hopefully not like Politics,
Them boys can stay downstairs!:D

I guess there'd be several factors involved to do it(Take Trophy Bucks!) on a steady basis?
I'd say having lots of $$$ would be the #1 factor?

The one thing I ain't got,so I'll just keep PISSCUTTIN just like I've done from day 1!

I'd put money on this one,if you located an exceptional Buck lets say as a FINDER,it wouldn't be hard to get a Big FINDERS Fee!


I love not acting my age,
Damn I love my NASCAR race,
And Hell yes I love my Truck!
 
Founder,
add to that list a B&C net Non-typical (230"+) from Nevada Jason killed in the early part of the decade and a 200" Colorado buck on LO voucher in 2008 and another great CO buck in 2009.

I know Jason through our business and do receive the magazine.

He talks a lot about their hunt methods and scouting in there and by his writing. I'd say Jason is as hard-core as anyone out there and he's smart.

He does it all: trail cams, multiple states, LO tags, Mexico and he's built points for years as has Garth. They don't mention chute planes in the magazine, but that's just because it's a hot potato, but he will tell you they've used them, but so do lots of guys as flying is legal pre-season in all Western states yet no one else is killing buck like his regularly. So there's more he's doing than most of us can...

Try and call the office any time between January and June and ask for Jason. You will likely hold for a while. Why? Because he's on the phone virtually all day with other hunters as that is part of the service they provide and he certainly networks that way.

I say, MORE POWER TO HIM, as they've built that business with hard work and dedication no matter what the haters say. While some of us may have dozens of connections, he may have thousands.

Combine his networking ability, dedication, enough money, hard work, time (seems reading the mag he must hunt 30-60 days per year) and the fact that he intensely focuses his time only in the top giant mule deer units possible (notice I didn't say the top mule deer units) he's killing giants.

I would say he's nearly the only one in the country who can combine all these things, and he's proving it's working.

Good job, Jason,

You give us all hope.

The Christian
 
Founder,
Don't back up for posting it, you don't sound jealous, mean or anything. It's a great post and the Carter's are smart enough to ignore the naysayers- that's why there at the top of their game.

If some one in the country was killing 200-270" bucks almost yearly and no one posted questions how, what else would we talk about on this site?

For the $100, I'd get the mag Founder, you'll enjoy it. I do and I'm pretty much po' folk.

The Christian
 
Ya, I get your point one_dryboot.

I can't imagine the deer they must pass to kill stuff like that. To answer your question, I've killed 4 over 200.

I would ask more questions, but I think by doing so, too many are thinking that I'm implying something. I've never read any of their stories about their bucks, so I'd like to know more about them. I'm not asking though dang it!!!! I'll just shut up and go back to what I was doing.

isayNUNYA says big buck slayers don't post on MonsterMuleys.com, so I need to shut up and hit the hills! The little fella might have a point! AHHHH......but what if I post using my iPhone, from the mountain, while waiting for a big buck to stand? Could I then have the best of both worlds?

Brian Latturner
MonsterMuleys.com
 
Time, Desire, Money, Means, Knowledge. All factor in. But be realistic, what they are killing is beyond anybodys wildest dreams. Something doesn't add up.
 
Wow, just joined this forum to try and become a better mule deer hunter. You guys amaze me. I'm in awwww that some of you guys have taken multiple 200" bucks. Sounds like some people strong feelings toward other succesful people. Founder I don't think your in the wrong at all. I'm wondering the same thing how do you do they do it. Founder how do you do it. Sounds like you guys are a couple peas in a pod. I'm thankful I found a forum with so much experience.


thanks Founder
 
i remember that thread getting locked as well. havent posted in over a yr here on mm. i gave you some greef about what you did that mourning. i wouldnt have done that but if you can look at the mount and be proud of how it ended up on yr wall then so be it.
 
Wow, I thought a couple of you were going to gush all over yourselves> I figure the Carters are people with an obsession, unlimited time, all the newest modern technology, and plenty of money, its not a miracle. Personally I give the photos no more than a passing glance, it means very little or nothing to me, and it only means there are less mature deer for the fools that shovel out 100 dollars a year for a magazine. on the other side, there are a lot of things to dislike about having your hard earned hunting areas ruined, but again maybe we are all just jealous?
 
>>It's in the archives dude. You
>>can play like I try
>>to hide stuff, but I
>>don't. I told the story
>>as it happened, and would
>>do it again if I
>>were in the same position.
>>Obviously I hope I'm not
>>though.
>>
>>Brian Latturner
>>MonsterMuleys.com
>
>Then why was it locked?


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you guys do not want to know what I know or think of him or his mag..........
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rackmaster
 
Come on SMACKDADDY!
Man up & speak up!

I love not acting my age,
Damn I love my NASCAR race,
And Hell yes I love my Truck!
 
I have been reading post on here for as long as i can remember. I don't post must however. I guess all i can say is some guys have all the luck. I don't seem to have much of it. I have been hunting my entire life. called in several bulls out with family before i hit the age of 10 my first was at eight years of age. My entire life has been spent on the hill. All i have to show are a couple 180 bucks and a few bulls over 300. There is more to killing big animals than showing up opening morning and sittin on the first water hole you run into. I know the Carters as well as Doyle and the rest of them. To me there no different. We all make mistakes and i'm sure the Carters have done a few things they probably wouldn't do again. As most of us have. They are great hunters. I'm glad someone is killing big animals. Maybe someday i'll get my turn.
 
Back to the question, how do they do it. I have been a subscriber for sometime and they have killed some great bucks. It seems like recently though those 190-200 inchers have turned into a few real toads (230-270). I think all of the time in the field finally just paid off for them and they hit the bonanza. I could be wrong, but I don't think they have as many bucks over 200" as people here are alluding to. Yes a bunch of 190 inch bucks, but not more than a handful or 2 handfuls over 200.

The magazine talks in depth about some of their hunts and it is worth the $100, especially to know which units to avoid applying for because they have them ranked #1...there is good info on their tactics (glass glass glass glass) and they often mention which units they are hunting and if they drew that tag or bought a voucher. To my knowledge there has been zero mention of chute planes in their articles and I assumed they did not fly to find those monsters, but I could be wrong. Perhaps that is how the 190-200 inchers became larger bucks, but I don't really think that is the case especially reading about their CO hunts. They scout hard immediately before the season and then hunt hard and hunt smart. Jason talks a lot about watching bucks and watching other hunters around those bucks, just from that I figured he is sitting in the best glassing spot in the mountains, using the best optics available and glassing very efficiently. I think most serious hunters on this site who hunts with friends knows that either they are a better glasser than their friend or that their friend is better than them. You know if you are more determined then them or less determined. In this case, I believe they are better glassers and more determined and through experience, just smarter hunters than 99.99% of hunters out there.

It is worth the $100 especially if you can split it with a brother, father, son or good friend. I bet your could write it off as well!

Good luck to everyone this fall, hopefully you find that 200-incher!
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-28-10 AT 10:13PM (MST)[p]You dont kill 190+ big bucks anywhere consistently without:

.NETWORKING, you have to have a pool of hard core hunting friends that will tell you where they have seen big bucks! You simply cannot put enough boot leather on the ground all by yourself.

.Hunting areas that have the genetics.

.Drawing/purchasing a few top 10 coveted western tags.

.Having the resources and time to hunt given areas when given the chance

.Having an understanding wife when it comes to hunting or you have to be single. You simply will never succeed with a nagging wife!

.Luck/skill to make the shot count. You cant go around shooting at 190"+ bucks like I do and miss especially with a bow.

.Finally it defiantly ups your odds of killing a truly huge buck if you apply a chute plane to a coveted tag or just plain general tag. Just to name a few who uses them and see if you see a pattern. Carter, Ulmer, Hatch!

.Last but not least some have been caught cheating and im not in anyway singling anyone out. Just making a general statements on how to be a successful big buck killer! I seriously doubt anyone in this day and age can go around cheating with 220-270 inch bucks year in and year out. Bucks of that caliber are not lone unheard of or unseen like some will lead you to believe. They have eyes on them all the time!

If you want to see how you rate as a big buck hunter just put a check off by each one of the bullets I posted and see where you rank. If you think you check them all off and still haven't connected on at least one good buck you are fooling yourself somewhere!



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There are no big bucks in Utah! Carter done killed'em all LOL
 
I subscribe to the mag and like it. I have read a lot of their stories and here is why I think they kill 200"+ deer:

1- They are better hunters than 99.99% of other hunters.

2- They 99.99% more dedicated than other hunters

3- They have more contacts than 99.99% of other hunters

4- They buy more hunts and have more $$$ than 99.99% of other hunters.

5- They don't sit on the internet and piss and moan about the bad hunting in Utardia (like I do).

They buy a lot of good tags and hunt in some of the best units. They also apply for everything possible, in most states.

I am sure Jason Carter hunted a reservation last year and printed the story. Not sure why Nunya thinks he doesn't buy tags?????

If they have the money and resources, I say good for them. It doesnn't bother me at all that they buy these tags. If thats what they want to do go for it.

I have called their office a few times and they have been nothing less than extremely helpful.
 
Save the hate for the politicians, bankers, oil companies and such that ruin our lives...

They market a product that people willingly pay for and have been able to up their resources knowledge and skill past what us working class slobs can dream of. They were able to quit their day jobs to get paid more for their hobby, becoming professionals at their hobby. And of course, no professional tells all the details and methods behind their product...nor should we expect them to.
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-29-10 AT 02:26AM (MST)[p]His job allows him to hunt all of the time. He hunts and scouts year round. Chooses the units he wants. Talks to thousands of hunters every year. He's in the business to kill big bucks. I always assumed he killed a lot of the deer on private land, but didn't know.

Still though, those guys kill big stuff. I'm jealous. I wish I had the time and resources to spend on hunting that they do.

WYmoose
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-29-10 AT 03:43AM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Aug-29-10 AT 03:37?AM (MST)

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So what is the law about flying over deer ? They changed the law a few years ago after the other guy got in trouble ( dont want to name names )
Can you use your powered chute or plane to spot game in the off season ? Is still considered game harassment ? I know the 48 hour rule.
Do you just call it site seeing and do it anyway ? I dont mean to change the subject or steal the tread. I just have a few question.
I was going to buy a powered chute a few years ago, but after they changed the law i did not. Knowing what I wanted to do with it!
I have heard a few things about Jason awesome buck, but like others here it is threw the grape vine. So I am not saying anything ,but I do have these question.
 
If I were going to idolize certain big game hunters, I would be far more jealous of the wealthy hunters that hunt all the worlds wild sheep and travel the world seeing different lands on their hunting adventures, there are a lot of notable big game adventure hunters out there, and they didn't make their money ruining peoples hunting areas, and trying to get as many people as possible to apply for a limited amount of tags. To be honest it makes me sick to see whats happening to western mule deer and elk hunting, the chute planes and web cams, the obsessions and all of it. Sorry to say, but the adventure is quickly leaving the sport.I guess its just the modern world taking over in this area.
 
It's not about idolizing anyone. It's about recognizing that someone is good at what they do and as a consequence, he or she achieves a certain measure of success. I think that such success should be congratulated rather than automatically assuming that said person did something illegal. Carters know hunting and are successful. Founder knows hunting and is successful. I could mention many other people who know how to hunt and are successful. I think you could make a fair assumption that all of these hunters mentioned absolutely love hunting and enjoy every moment out in the field.

Like it or not, change is imminent. There will be those who bemoan the fate of big game hunting and there will be those who adapt to the changing world. Those who adapt will continue to enjoy the sport while still embracing a hunting heritage. We all want a part of a limited resource. Just because there is a growing trend of people who want a part of that limited resource doesn't mean that hunting has become less meaningful.

In this information age, there are no secrets. What the Carters do is make the information more readily available. They disseminate that information to a broader base of readers. You can look at that as a bad thing, or you can look at it as a means of reinforcing the ranks of hunters. Like it or not, we as hunters need more passionate hunters who care about big game and will fight for it. It's better to share a limited resource with more people than to not have that resource to enjoy.
 
now thats some good rationalization, actually I think its going to backfire in the long run, I hear a lot of talk among nonhunters about how big game hunting has become a high tec game in which the animal has little chance, and how its unappealing and discusting to them, I also am finding the sport less and less appealing. I also am finding less interest among youth. Personally I have much to dislike about the Carter- Eastman philosophy of telling everyone where to go and what to apply for, its cost me a lot of hunting opportunity, but my complaints mean nothing and it won't change, so I agree, enjoy what you can of it.
 
piper
I could tell you where a 200" buck is right now and you couldn't kill it.

I don't see a problem with the Eastmans or Carters with their hunting service. unless they are saying I saw a 250" buck on this ridge yesterday. Really all you or anyone else has to is look at the draw odds and you can see which units are good for taking big bucks and bulls. Its obvious!

It is beyond me how anyone can go read Darners book, Eeastmans book or anyones elses book on hunting big bucks/bulls and then say wow I went to school and am now going to go kill a big buck.


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There are no big bucks in Utah on public land anymore Carter's have killed them all! BS LOL
 
Amen Steelhead

As far as technology, when scopes became widespread in the 1960's Paul Harvery (radio announcer) did a radio show on how they would destroy hunting, give the anti's more fuel, etc.

Now everyone on this site shoots a scope...the anti's still hate us...

nothing new under the sun as King Solomon once said.


The Christian
 
Piper, Sorry bud but i really believe that a huge public lands monster muley buck is the toughest animal to kill on the planet!!

I have hunted Muleys in one way or another for near 40 years, been on a lot of great hunts in good country and have yet to even see the buck i'm looking for!! Maybe i don't exactly Idolize guys that continuously are successful on huge Muley bucks but i'll tip my cap to them. IMO, guys that you think so great of hunters, that chase the worlds sheep and such, a lot of them just buy their hunts and are putting multipul record heads of one kind or another on their wall every year. Not too hard to do if you have the desire and the money.

No disrespect meant to the world traveling hunters out there but if they hunted where i've hunted, as hard and as long as i've been at it, maybe they too would give the nod in efforts required of taking a big ol monster muley buck over some big curlicue ram that they must go to china for, pick out and kill on a 10 day hunt.

Joey
 
I got a picture on my cell of Jason's last deer in UT. A monster and there is no way that I would post it here.

I have never met Jason and I'm not a member of their "club".

The thing that just pisses me off the most is how if anyone, anyone, shoots a large animal, the rumors and crap begins to fly.

Is that what we have come to? If I'm ever fortunate enought to get a big animal, you can bet that I won't post photos on the internet, cause a bunch of you would do nothing but run it down....
 
The fact is that the Carters have ruined a lot of the hunts I would have gone on, and a lot of hunts my family would have enjoyed, there is no way to dance around that fact. Most the other big time hunters made their money some other way, at least not advertising peoples favorite hunting spots, and trying to get more and more people to apply, I believe that is why I have much more respect for others in the big time hunting world. Sageadvise- It was always common to say money can't buy you a big muley, but I don't think thats the case anymore, Areas like the Henrys in Utah, outfitted hunts on the strip, and some private land areas have changed that,new high tec things like web cams and chute planes also tip the odds, I really don't think its quite as much of a feat getting a big muley anymore, at least for those with resources, although it may be more of a challenge for those without.
 
I have subscribed for years and will continue to do so. The magazine itself has made great strides over the years and I love the articles and information. I think they have done nothing but improve where other magazines that I look at have gone downhill in my opinion but that is just me. I will admit I am jealous of people that can make their lively hood out of hunting and the majority but not all of those that have an issue is out of jealousy. I wish I had the time and money and blah blah blah but I don't and I never will. Just a fact. I don't recall all of the big bucks that Jason has shot but I believe almost all of them have been over the last three years or so. He is on a heck of a run no matter how you look at it and I wish I had just one of those bucks. I was thinking over the weekend the situation I would be in had I started the points game at the start like Jason and Garth. I would have had a Henry deer tag or San Juan elk tag by now, plus a Desert sheep tag and that is Utah alone. They played the game long before "most" of us started and they are now drawing awesome tags each and every year. I am anxious to see the footage of this buck and see how it played out. Not matter who you are or what you do there will be people that like you and people that dont' like you. That is just part of the deal.
 
I think the Carters are legit and I don't think there is a secret.

The combination of
1. networking with 1000's of hunters and 100's of guides
2. Making the time to scout
3. Money (or at least discounts) to hunt great properties & go with great guides.
4. The ability to shoot long distance
5. Extraordinary drive
6. Ability to field judge
7. Great equipment
8. Very good hunting skills.
9. Education (As far as I can tell there is a long history or wildlife biology in the family)

I really think these guys have tried to put every variable into their favor.

These guys are way too visible and have too much riding on their business to be doing anything illegal or unethical.
 
I don't get the mag but my brother does and when he's done with each issue I go through them. They seem to have a lot of info in there mag and I hear they can be really helpful if you are a member and draw a tag.

He?s my question for you guy:

What's the difference between the Carters and some high end guides (Greg Krogh, Chad Smith, Matt Schimberg, etc.) that have clients kill 200?+ monsters every year?

I would say these guides would kill just as big of deer for themselves if they had the opportunity to hunt the bucks every year instead of putting clients on them. They are both in the same industry and they both have passion and skills for finding and killing big bucks/bulls consistently. The difference is the Carters have set themselves up to be able to hunt each year and still make $ in the hunting industry. I don't think the Carters have some magic ball that tells them where to go or how to do it; they put the time and effort in and its starting to show, much like the above mentioned guides.

I believe it comes down to antler envy in the end. I would love to be able to get out as much as these guys, but I haven't set myself up to do so?yet!
 
Definitely antler envy for me!!! HEHEHE

I think the biggest difference for me between what the Carter's, or anyone who kills big stuff for themselves, is that guides often have several or many clients and can then be represented by the largest animal taken in the season. In addition, how many of them produce 220's every year, a 250 and 270 in the mix, plus 190+ bucks in many other places?

Brian Latturner
MonsterMuleys.com
 
Here's the mass email (I believe it was a mass email) that Jason Carter sent out. Jason got a bad rap with that text. Pretty crappy. I only got it from one person, but my understanding is, it went "viral", I think that's what they call it.
He needs a BETTER photo with some hot chick holding those antlers along with the truth, then hope it goes viral.
Anyway, here's the email:
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As you probably know, I harvested a great buck this year in Southern Utah just south of Beaver Utah. Somebody (I would love to know who) started a rumor and sent it via cell phone text that I shot the buck out from under another hunter. The rumor is absolutely not true.

We bedded this buck and I stalked to within 35 yards of him and sat on him from 11:30 ? 5:30 p.m. He got up a couple times in the thick trees to re-bed but I didn't have a shot. At 5:30 he got up to feed a bit and I shot him. We video taped the entire hunt including the kill scene. This is the second year that I have hunted this buck. Last year I estimated he scored 215 or so but just couldn't get the job done. We scored him at 247 gross with right at a 200? 4 point frame. We plan on releasing the story and video in January of 2011.

There was another hunter by the name of Rylan Orton that was hunting with my cousins Daniel (the hunter I supposedly screwed) and Mitch Carter. He wrote the following and Daniel Carter texted it to me directly:

?In regards to the bogus story that has been spread around about this deer and the hunters that had him supposedly shot out from underneath them. I am the hunter that was with jasons cousin. jason and his huntin fool crew just out hunted us. While we went home for a nap jason sat on this deer all day in the sun and when we came back for the evening hunt jason shot this deer while we were on our way in to sit 150 yards in front of us. Jason and his crew did an awesome job and this story that has been going around is just gossip. Please forward to everyone that sends you the blown out of proportion story.?

Also, here is a text from Daniel Carter himself to me:

?I just wish this all wouldn't have got blown up like this. Welcome to beaver county. You killed him fair and square I hope the best for u. Your a great hunter?

I really appreciate those of you who know me well enough to stand behind me. It's too bad that we as hunters have to defend ourselves against faceless, nameless rumors. This one has spread faster than I have ever seen probably due to the magazine and the size of the buck.

Best of luck to everyone this year! Feel free to forward this email and/or call me with any questions.

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Brian Latturner
MonsterMuleys.com
 
Well I know Krogh had two clients kill monsters within two days of eachother in the archery season last year in NV, 213 & 218. Just had a clint kill a big buck a week or so ago. Not to mention the monsters in the past from NV, AZ, & CO. I know he doesn't just stick to one unit in nevada but has produced monsters out of several eastern nv units.

Chad Smith's record is just as impressive but I'm not sure what units/states hes had success in. Look at the strip buck from this year, 228fram 240s NT!!!

Same with Matt, he has guided clients to gaggers on a yearly basis. Just look through Muley Crazy mag and its like a where's waldo with Matt in a lot of pics.

These guys produce every year just like the Carters. I think the Carters get more crap for it because they are the one's pulling the trigger not a paying client.
 
There is a lot that goes into killing big bucks. To do so consistently takes more than most hunters have.

I dont think that most of us are really accusing them of doing anything wrong. It always raises the suspician level when someone kills bucks this much above the norm on a regular basis. Past experieces have jaded a lot of hunters opinions. I think that Founder was just wondering how they do it when no one else has or really can.


Congrats to them on their deer.



respect my authorita
 
I've been a member since november 2004. In some of the issues Jason or Garth will talk about a hunt they did or hunt that is coming up for them and how they prepared for the hunt. They do a lot of hiking and set up a lot of trail cameras. If they are going on a hunt that they can not scout for they usually will go guided. Garth has killed a huge strip buck guided and a huge unit 23 early season bull in arizona guided. I know Jason has hunted on some Indian reservations in Arizona and so has Garth I believe. I know Jason loves to hunt early season muzzle loader and archery hunts in Nevada and has killed atleast 2 monsters in Nevada that I can remember right off the top of my head. I remember an issue where Jason talks about not having ever killed a 400" bull. He asked himself why. If I remember right it was because he doesn't spend enough time looking for them. Jason is a mule deer hunter and Garth is more of an elk hunter. Jason kills huge mule deer and good bulls. Garth kills huge bulls a good mule deer. But why do they kill these huge animals. I think it is because all the time they spend looking for them in units that produce them.
 
Ya, you are probably right tagsoup, maybe that huge time thing and then of course buying a few "better tags" is the key. Do you think I could get all you guys to pony up $100.00 a year to look at MonsterMuleys.com?? If you did, I would let you talk crap about me anytime, as long as I was on the mountain whacking beasts. Just a thought.....

What's a $100.00, right?? It goes to a good cause....me and me killing big bucks. Just think how mad that would make a guy like Foreman4x4! Wouldn't that be fun?!?!? I could post photos every other week in the fall, showing my hawg bucks, bulls, bullies and all that other crap. You all could work a little overtime to pay the $100.00, and then just waste company time watching my webcasts.
Sounds like a WIN-WIN deal. Foreman4x4, isayNUNYA, you boys want to be the first to send your $100.00? I will let you talk crap about me anytime........LOL
And, I'll even rattle off some of the best units you all can apply for in every state. You'll never draw, but atleast you can feel good about being in the game.
In all reality, I'll bet many of you spend more time looking at MonsterMuleys.com than you do the Huntin' Fool. Shouldn't I get more of your money? Only seems logical to me.

Just razzin', unless you do want to donate to the cause, then let me know and I'll help you with sending the funds.

The Carter's kick butt, no doubt. The time, better than average tags, etc. must be it. Thanks to those who shared good info. and didn't just want to get into the stupid bickering. I really do appreciate it. It makes me think......

Still though, 270, 250, and numerous 220's....it's crazy!!!! I can't even imagine how cool I would think I was if I killed those kind of bucks. I'd have a picture of myself in every room of my house.

Brian Latturner
MonsterMuleys.com
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-30-10 AT 07:12PM (MST)[p]Huge difference between getting mad and voicing my opinion. In reality, I'd love nothing more than to see you hammering big bucks year in and year out, just maybe under a little different circumstances, which I think you'd probably agree with. Who knows, maybe this year will be the year.

I don't have much in the way of tags this year (Dutton/Paunsaugunt antelope, Southern ML deer, late any bull ML and a cow tag), but I'll have a good time whether I kill anything or not.

I said my piece and I'm moving along. You?..
 
I really enjoy the Huntin Fool. Its been a great resource and I have spoken with all their staff on multiple occasions...and from year to year. They are always helpful and seem to really care about my success. I subscribe to other publications and services, call and network as much as I can...But, they still seem to get me the best information every time. So, I keep on subscribing and enjoy reading their hard core hunting articles. I wish them the best and hope they keep filling my dreams with giant velvet bucks for years to come. Good luck to all of you out there. We are all on the same team. Ben
 
I have personally known Jason and Garth for around 10yrs and have hunted with them on several occasions and I can honestly say that you will not meet two better guys and I have never meet two guys with as much ambition and dedication as these two. With all the rumors going on about this huge buck Jason harvested I can tell you that Jason harvested this buck fair and I was not even there but I just know what kind of person he is and I know how hard he hunts, I don't know why people cant just give him credit he hunts as hard as anyone and harvested this huge buck and the people have to tear him down its to bad that all his glory is ruined by all the rumors and negativity we are all hunters cant we get along.
 
You guys don't understand that the goal of the Carters is not to shoot big bucks, but to shoot big animals to make money!

Last year Garth shot his buck on a 10,000 acre private ranch in CO unit 44. It is in the main migration mulie corridor, and surrounded by public that gets hammered. He got the owners a few years back to lease out the ranch hunting rights for every season. He then sold off those hunts, and even raffled off some elk hunts. He makes sure he makes his money back...

Then he buys a landowner tag for almost $10k and showed up 4th season, (he was the only one allowed to hunt the ranch). He then got a local kid to "guide" him around the ranch, and also show him some local honey holes. Needless to say, he and his crew located a large wandering buck on the ranch, shot it, and ordered everyone to keep it under wraps. He of course had to plan his marketing campaign, for his magazine. He then shows his buck, boasts about Eagle county, tells everyone in the country they should hunt there, then in turn finds the people a tag $$$. Funny part is, I believe he is hunting 21 this year. Afterall, that is his other top pick, so he needs to murder another one, to keep his machine going.
 
I'm a subscriber to what I believe is the BEST huntin mag and info out there.

Founder-Quit bein such a cheap ass....and subscribe to the magazine if you have so many questions about what they do!

But so you can quit trying to play dumb, like your not jealous and not tryin to hurt their name.Yes they do talk bout puttin trail cameras up, yes, obviously they DO spend more time in the field than you.That's what they do for a living! Don't we wish we'd thought of it!
Once again if youd subscribe to the mag and read their stories, youd find that they do talk bout their hunts.They do say how early they got there or talk bout time spent prior to the hunt, scouting it.They tell you what unit they hunted.Many people that have a story published in a mag don't tell you the unit or their honey holes. Nobody as to tell you their secrets.Are you on here posting every little thing you do?Where you hiked, where you set up a camera,how long you spent scouting, what unit you're currently hunting?
I've read stories where theyd gone guided But its obvious their passion is hunting big game in the west And they are damn good at it.
Its obvious by alot of the posts on here, that ya'll are just flat out jealous!
They have built an amazing business, that allows them to do what they are passionate about.I liked what one guy posted about not seein them post stupid crap on here!They've got better things to do-Hunt trophies!
Founder-I've been embarrassed for YOU as I've read your posts.
These guys have a talent that they are very passionate about.I admire them!No wonder they have had such great success!
 
I doubt the Carter's that you are so jealous about are posting from their iphones while out in the hills. But thats just what I think.You seem to want to know every little detail bout what they do and dont do.
Do whatever pleases ya and quit worryin about others! Some advice..give others the benefit of the doubt!
They are damn good at what they do!
 
Isnt the success of their mag and business obvious that theyre mag is helping people?
 
Christian-way to have class.I admire you.Honestly.
We all need to have more of it when posting on these forums, myself included.
 
What makes them "someone's" hunting area? And whats the dif in you or another hunter hunting them, when it comes to ruining them?
 
well i just have 1 question- this site does everything in its power to protect the "mossback" name, which i have no problem with whatsoever, but then the "founder"of this site calls out another company that has the same reputation. WTF???

this kinda puts a little weight into the "if your a sponser, then it's all good" theory.

"rumors" go both ways, with a company that is your sponser and one that isn't.

why call out one of them? i've read a million times, people getting nuked for starting threads just like this, but with "mossback" as the headline.
thats kinda B.S. dont you think?

i'll be the first to admit, i love a great mossback video, and think doyel is an awsome hunter/ game finder.
but to turn around and call out the #1 competetor is pretty low.
that said, i think they are both a tiny bit shady.......
 
obviously there are all types of hunts. not every sheep hunt is in china and they are just placed in front of the ram. have you been on a sheep hunt?have you hiked those canadian mtns that are straight up and down?
 
He basically said in his video that he got lucky and he and his wife hunted 44 earlier and they didn't see #####. He said in the video that he and Jason are hunting 21 this year. He seemed very straight forward with that and the idea of private in 44.
 
KBKILLER - Just so you know, Huntin' Fool has spent thousands of dollars over the years advertising on this site. They are not a current advertiser, but have been off and on in the past. Mossback has never been paid anything.
Mossback and I do a little trade stuff (he put a little ad in his DVD and I list his business on my site and host his domain), but that's it.
You should call Doyle or maybe ask isayNUNYA how much "protection" as you call it, that Mossback gets here. LOL
Kind humorous the different views different folks have.

Also, I wasn't calling out Huntin' Fool....I think I've stated that a few times.

Anyway, that's it. I hate to tell you, but you don't know what you're talking about. If you only knew, you would agree that your comments are based on nothing but a fabrication in your mind.

Brian Latturner
MonsterMuleys.com
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-31-10 AT 07:30AM (MST)[p]FOUNDER: so your trying to tell me that if this thread would have been 100% about mossback, and with all the negative comments that have been made, it wouldn't have been nuked already? honestly, b.s.

what about all those posts saying "if you can ruin someones buisness" or if someones posts can hurt someones livelyhood?


and just for the record, i dont care for carters, dont subscrib to there magazine, and i dont know them.

i dont mind mossback, but it's not my style of hunting either.

but i have always liked your judgment on calling out someones livelyhood based on rumers and hearsay.

until you do it yourself
 
Founder-HELL no we wont give you any money! You dont have near the resources they do! And it seems the ones that are talking crap are not HF members.
The magazing isn't just bout them.the members stories are in published along with a huge member trophy room. its not all bout the stuff........its bout hunting big game in the west!
 
If youd go back and read your older posts youd see why everyone is thinking like that. are you mad that hf isnt advertising with you any more? ha
Should we all be suspicious that you and mossback are doing something unethical or have some magic ball
 
There are more issues with no pics of Jason or Garth with a dead animal. Saying that they have to kill something in there top picks to prove that they are right is not true. But there are plenty of pics of members killing huge animals in there top picks that prove they are right.
 
Sorry to those who care, but this thread is done. I'm locking it. Enough has been said, lots of bickering back and forth (me included) and off subject stuff. It's done.

I will say though, I'll be subcribing. Gotta follow it a little closer. Maybe it'll spark conversation topics.

Good for Jason on getting a beast. It appears the combination of many factors make them very successful. Good for them!

Brian Latturner
MonsterMuleys.com
 

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