HUNTIN FOOL CARTER KILLS

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I take the magazine. I envy the Carters, they made a business out of most of our annual dreams of hunting. Their annual membership drives give away multiple high dollar hunts, paid for with $50 per ticket lottery. I am sure this makes them money and gives them access to multiple hunting opportunities.They also make $100 per year per member, this includes great magazine and lots of draw info. Imagine making a living off of members and scouting and hunting year round. I think their kills are legit. I have hunted for years and consider myself an excellent hunter. Mostly Texas mule deer, not huge, but for Texas "huge", 183" typical, 193"non typical,and net 186" typical. I remember the early 80's when I tried public Colorado hunts, otc tags, a million hunters and no luck with monster deer. I then read how to really do it. "HOW TO FIND GIANT BUCKS" by Kirk Darner. Sounded too good to be true. Now I can't find any of his B&C bucks in the current records. What happened with that? Back to the Carters, they work year round at hunting. Probably legitimate. Almost sounds too good to be true.
 
Getting your face or story plastered in the record books, a magazine, book, or on the internet has made some people do some extremely stupid stuff, and Darner was only the beginning!

Here's just a few examples I recall off the top of my head:

An idiot by the name of Don Lewis was poaching deer on the winter range here in Utah (and elk in Yellowstone) and writing articles and traveling the Country claiming he killed them with a bow.

A jackass by the name of Coleman Houston was claiming to have killed two record book bucks in back to back years in California with OTC tags, but turned out he bought the antlers off Ebay.

Another guy crowded his way between a father and son in Wyoming and shot a good buck out from under them, and to this day says he'd do it all over again.

And another well respected member here was rung up a couple years ago for poaching deer in Colorado, but it's late and I can't remember the handle he used to go by.

Greed gets the best of 'em!
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-28-10 AT 11:55PM (MST)[p]LOL.....WOW, I get mentioned with the likes of 3 convicted poachers because I shot a deer that two other guys missed. You're something else. LOL Pretty funny stuff.

I'm evil Foreman4x4, but what are YOU gonna do. Can you fix me? I'm hoping to smack another big buck this year, and if it's after some other dude misses, so be it. I'm evil! LOL

You're obsessed with me Foreman4x4!!!
Are you the one watching my podcasts over and over and over again? Dude, you're wearing out my server! LOL...just funning you.

Really dude, you throw me in with the likes of Kirt Darner, Don Lewis (convicted of 20+ poachings), Coleman Houston, and I believe you are referring to Jeff Coldwell (convicted of poaching), cause I shot a deer two other guys missed????
Really?????

It's a good thing that you bring me entertainment in my somewhat boring life, or I would really be hurt.

I shot a big ___ buck that two other guys missed. There you go. I admit. I did it. It's one of my most prized trophies (that ought to really bother you). I would do it again!!! (I know that pisses you off)
You can try all you want to try and get to me, but I'm OK with it. I'd do the same thing again. Really, I would. Even after the crap I got, I'd do it again and tell the story again.
Love me or hate me, I really don't care (of course I'd rather you love me....but....). If my entire business disappears because of the choices I've made in my life, SO BE IT! I have no problem with that.

It does seem a little extreme though to compare me to those guys. I mean really, those guys? I shot a big buck that two other dudes emptied their guns on!

Anyway, OK, you win, I'm evil. I need to not play with you. I need to work on getting another big buck. Our little buddy says wasting time on Monster Muleys is not what "successful big buck hunters" do, so I need to get my work done so I can get out there and get myself a beast. You WIN Foreman4x4, I'm bad....real bad.

You are the WINNER, the WINNER, the WINNER! Yes, you are the WINNER.

Good times on Saturday night!!!!

Brian Latturner
MonsterMuleys.com
 
"Our little buddy".....lmmfao...





JB
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Wow! Its been a long time since Ive jumped in the message boards. Its getting kinda ugly! Lol. After reading that little rant, I will be sure a get lots of target practice in before season. Hate to see you shoot a big one out from under me! Hope to catch up with you this fall. Take care Bry!
 
Seriously...what's the big deal? If i miss a good buck on Public Land with my first shot, i would expect to have someone else kill or at least shoot at it. Hopefully it would be me or my partner who gets it done but all i can hope for, or generally need, is a standing shot at what i consider "in my range". If i miss...he's fair game, always has been, always will be!

Joey
 
I will give you a little credit Founder, you take alot of crap around here. I kinda like your Smrta$$ side.




<Stu Padasso Pro Staff

<Dixie Nourmous Field Staff
 
Founder,
good shot! on a great Wyoming buck.

Obviously those guys couldn't get 'er done and you did.

Public land DIY, that's the way it is and some guys equate it with poaching. Hilarious

The Christian
 
When hunting Public ground,I hope I'm far enough away from the Pumpkin Patch that if I do hear a shot besides my own,I hope I miss because it will be my son making the other 'booms' & I hope he connects rather than me!

You never know though,just when you think you've done something stupid enough nobody else would try............somebody else had the same thought...........usually where there ain't a chance in hell at a decent buck but you do it just to stay away from most JACKASSES & the PUMKIN PATCH!

Perty sad when most Bucks get surrounded by Cox's Army & don't stand a chance!

Too many stray bullets for me!

I love not acting my age,
Damn I love my NASCAR race,
And Hell yes I love my Truck!
 
I might get a chance at something like that this year:)...had to trade my UT southern region muzz for a rifle tag due to a family commitment that just came up...Here the law is that you have to allow a hunter the opportunity to track a animal he/she puts a bullet in..but a missed animal is fair game. Same there?
 
Same everywhere. It's public ground and public animals.

Shoot straight, unlike those Wyoming guys Founder let empty their guns BEFORE he fired (and for the record, I've missed a plenty myself.)

The Christian
 
Wow, he's sure got a hard-on for Founder!
I wonder how many clips he thinks people are entitled to empty before it becomes someone elses deer...
 
Founder, why don't you go tag along or just hang back a bit with Stinky and when he misses the shot, then you drop that animal and tag it since he can't shoot straight from what I have been reading here.
Just a thought!

Brian
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The funniest one I heard of was about this young guy that used to make hunting videos when they first became popular,(he had his name plastered all over the covers) anyway he was a Utah resident and after doing this for a few years he finally got caught buying resident Wyoming deer tags . According to the newspaper , when asked at sentencing, why he broke the law, he told the judge " Wyoming has big bucks and I just had to hunt them" I had to laugh.
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-29-10 AT 11:21AM (MST)[p]I've tried to stay out of this but can't resist! It is pretty obvious there are a lot of muley addicts out there. Some guys play by the rules, like to hunt on their own, wait in line to draw tags, and do everything "fair-chase". Others get so infatuated with giant muleys they take things as far as they can in regard to legality or go to the extreme by poaching.

It is pretty obvious that the Carters take full advantage of their situation. They have thousands of subscribers that they can glean trophy hunting info from. They also have the time and $ to scout, apply/purchase the best tags, and hunt hard and effectively. Obviously they are doing something right if they are getting multiple world class bucks each year. They are talking to the right guys and hunting the right units.

How many of us can hunt units with 200+ class potential bucks each year? It sounds like the Carters are doing this. I would venture a guess that they have means to purchase many of these tags rather than standing in line and drawing tags like most of us? I'm not saying they don't draw public tags but they likely purchase a number of tags or hunts each year....different than 90% of the rest of us?

I'm not exactly sure if chute planes, helicopters, or anything else plays a role in their success? If they or anyone they use for advise use them it is up to them whether they consider this unethical? Some guys will consider doing anything it takes to get a super buck as long as it is borderline "legal". I've heard rumors of a super successful outfitter and his clan in UT that spotlight elk during the season in premium units. They also use hand held devices to "steer" hunters to super bulls. They often hire 2 to 10 guides to help a wealthy client and are willing to fork out big $ to anyone that can give out tips on particularly giant bucks and bulls. They may hire a guide to watch a particular buck or bull for weeks until a season opens and then call a client that flies out and hikes over and shoots the animal. There is a fine line between what is legal and what is ethical. I guess we all need to sit down and figure this out.

If I had the cash and could buy governors tags each year, landowner tags in the best units, hunt Indian reservations that have giant bucks and bulls...obviously I would likely do extremely well. All bucks and bulls harvested w/these tags are 100% legal. I am actually a little jealous of hunters that can afford to purchase UT governors tags and hunting the Pahvant or Henries every year....rutting Jicarilla muley bucks each year, and monster desert Mexico muleys.

With that said it is pretty amazing what the Carters do year in and year out. Hopefully everything they do is on the up and up and they don't take advantage of the system or other hunters along the way! I know a couple guys over the years that use and abuse others for this kind of info and have little respect for that mentality! Unfortunately ethics, morals, and $ has a lot to do with harvesting world class critters on a yearly basis!
 
Lol kilo!

Difference is,stinkbug packs a 120 lbs worth of spare bullets & he won't let anybody back him up until he runs out of bullets or melts the barrel down!}>}>}>

I love not acting my age,
Damn I love my NASCAR race,
And Hell yes I love my Truck!
 
Just for the record, I was NOT going to shoot at that deer that morning while those other two guys were shooting. Only after they lost it and were reloading, did I shoot. I made a decision and would do the same again. That deer had evaded their efforts.

kilowatt - I don't think stinky would trust me standing behind him with a gun in my hand.

Brian Latturner
MonsterMuleys.com
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-29-10 AT 12:29PM (MST)[p]I was duck hunting on public land once along the boundry to the Federal Refuge. A duck flew over and I missed all three shots. I was reaching into my pocket to get more shells and another guy who was next to me shot it! I didn't even know the guy. I was soooo pissed! He even had it mounted and hung it on his wall. I hope he's proud!

I'm with Foreman4x4 on this one!:)

Edit: I better add a smiley face before Foreman believes me!

Eel
 
Went Quacker hunting at Farmington bay several years ago!
One of the first years you could only shoot the greenhead Mallard!
About 45 minutes before you could legally shoot some ##### over on the west side capped a shot off,that's all it took!:D
Opening Morning of Quacker season was officially opened 45 minutes early!:D
Here come some Quackers headed my way,oh ya,a Greenhead headed my way,I shoot him,as he was falling,Founder or somebody shot him several more times as he was falling to the ground,then 2 guys run over & start argueing who's Quacker it was,I'm thinking:Yup boys,that's your Quacker!




I love not acting my age,
Damn I love my NASCAR race,
And Hell yes I love my Truck!
 
I missed a buck once, areal nice one, 7x5 28" wide. He ran over the ridge an some SOB shot him out from under me too, I'm still looking for that bastage, if he hadn't shot that buck I might have caught up with him and he'd be mine. I hope it wasn't Founder that shot "my" buck as well, he might get a bad rep. I'm kidding of course.
 
Every situation is a little different. Sometimes there is ethics and morality involved. I would have to say that any game animal that has been missed or messed up by a hunter is open game to anyone else? If I missed a shot and the buck ran over the hill and someone else shot him..I definitely wouldn't blame the other guy. It was my fault I screwed up the stalk or missing the shot!

I definitely wouldn't run to cut off another hunter if I knew they were already in the process of stalking him. If I knew we were both after the same buck and they were ahead of me I would likely watch from a distance....if they missed and weren't heading after him I would be ready! If they missed a buck and it ran my directly it would likely be a judgement call whether I headed after him. I have a feeling bucks get missed by hundreds of hunters each year and immediately get shot by other nearby hunters?

I have a hard time believing if a 220 buck ran over a hill after someone missed a shot that someone would let him go so the guys that missed him had another chance. I really don't know the specifics about Founders buck but I think a lot of guys likely don't know all the specifics! According to Founder it sounds like there is no doubt in his mind that he was ethical and has no problem with what he did.
 
Well Son Of A ##### Should have just let the seepy dog lie. I figured the whole Wyoming thing had gone the way of the buffalo. First thing first could anyone tell me how many bullets a magnum rifle holds, yes 3, that means between bro and buddy that would be 6 shots. They never had a chance to empty there guns. Granted they shouldn't have missed not even once, even they will admit that. My poor newphew is still getting skin grafts to remove the powder burns from his face and his dad is deaf in one ear. Our buddie knows exaclty how Founder kills big bucks. He the sneakiest son of a gun he has ever seen, snuck so close to my brother that he thought all the shooting was from Nate. Let me make sure everyone knows this with out a doubt THEY SHOULD HAVE NEVER MISSED. Lets try something everybody get there best friend, put a jug of water at three hundred yards and see who can hit it first. Here's the catch you have to use the same shooting sticks. Thats how f'ing close he was. If founder would do it again sobeit, we are all different, but you had better consider a few things next time. #1 what did the two younger kids think.
#2 what if I had done it to one of the other brothers, what would of happened then. #3 What if I would have got my ass out of bed earlier maybe then this would have never happened, and i wouldn't have to makeup stories of how they emptied there guns and i saved the day. Just what if??? ( I'm not responsible for any misspelled words or bad grammer, and yes if given the chance I will misspell the hell out of them again)
 
The only reason I dragged that Wyoming story back up is to show a prime example of what greed, jealousy, and the drive to brag, write stories, post pictures, and make money off killing a big buck does to certain people. And to say that keeping up with the Jones' or to promote a website doesn't have anything to do with it is pretty much comical.

Granted, what Founder did was not illegal, but IMO, was highly unethical. The other interesting part is, when he was called on it, the thread was locked, which if that doesn't tell you something, I don't know what does. Can't stand the heat, don't go in the kitchen!
 
>The only reason I dragged that
>Wyoming story back up is
>to show a prime example
>of what greed, jealousy, and
>the drive to brag, write
>stories, post pictures, and make
>money off killing a big
>buck does to certain people.
>And to say that keeping
>up with the Jones' or
>to promote a website doesn't
>have anything to do with
>it is pretty much comical.
>
>
>Granted, what Founder did was not
>illegal, but IMO, was highly
>unethical. The other interesting part
>is, when he was called
>on it, the thread was
>locked, which if that doesn't
>tell you something, I don't
>know what does. Can't stand
>the heat, don't go in
>the kitchen!

How is it unethical to shoot a deer that someone else missed? They had their chance to kill the buck, but they blew their chances. I guess I haven't read the story or seen the thread that you speak of.
 
Oh Gawd!
We have awoken Elite!:D

I love not acting my age,
Damn I love my NASCAR race,
And Hell yes I love my Truck!
 
>Oh Gawd!
>We have awoken Elite!:D
>
>
>I love not acting my age,
>
>Damn I love my NASCAR race,
>
>And Hell yes I love my
>Truck!

Hehehe I have been busy scouting, but I thought I would check the website today.
 
"The other interesting part is, when he was called on it, the thread was locked"
Bull$hit- it was locked after 165 posts. you want people to post another 100 replies just like you wanted the hunters to take another 6-7 shots?!
Let it go.
 
Family fight, lol. Thanks for the entertainment. I remember shooting at a deer a year ago. I swear if I ever find out someone killed it I will be one pizzed off dude. I am going back after it this year. LMAO !!!!
 
I remember reading that whole thing and I think that all the good posts on both sides of the issue were left for us all to read. There were a ton of rude comments deleted...Brian has to draw the line somewhere, and He lets a ton of stuff go and I like that. I think it's great to respectfully call someone out and make your opinions known, and the decent comments were left even if they totally disagreed with Brian.

I think Brian's buck went to the right person. Motivated hunters have to make stuff happen on public land, and if you have a big buck spotted, you will likely be hunting it with several other motivated guys! You better make your FIRST shot count and you may have to sort out whose buck is whose if several of you shoot. It sounds like that happened between 2 motivated guys, and they were respectful in figuring it out who was going to take the buck.

The other dudes who shot and 5 days later said the buck should have neen theirs spent more effort whining on MM then they did in the field...if they had gone down there and really had hit the buck mortally, I think they would have left with the buck.

I do think I would have done the same thing, and I try very hard to be courtious to other hunters. Those guys who say, "back out" if you come across other hunters must be hunting in some special places! Browntine is right when he talked about "packing in" is now packing into people. If I backed out of any area I saw people hunting, most of the hunts I have been on in 4 states would have been impossible, even in wilderness areas and 8+ mile packins! In fact I have never had ANYONE see me hunting and back out, even if I was stalking a specific animal. I have yet to have an animal shot out from under me, but guys have tried.

I get Huntin Fool and Eastmans and others. I think HF is by far the best magazine. I probably use Eastmans info more then HF's when I'm putting in for all the other states. I am envious of the amount of time that the Carters spend hunting and scouting, but not jelous. I could make my life even more about hunting, but I would lose my wife for sure and would have to get a different job that I could get even more time off...but I like my job and I get to spend a lot of money on hunting as it is and I really don't want to change my life that much just so I can hunt more......I guess it's not even more hunting, it would just be buying better tags I guess.

I'm happy for the Carters and others who are that motivated and have the means to hunt like they do. It fuels my passion for sure reading about it and seeing the pictures of big bucks and bulls.
 
This whole thing is kind of funny really.

All Founder did was respectfully ask how the Carter's kill giant bucks most years. Seems like a reasonable question. Sheesh!

Founder, I guess you're going to have to ban the "C" word from now on. LOL

Eel
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-29-10 AT 05:50PM (MST)[p]Do you guys think that these hunting businesses {Including this web site} buy these permits?

Or do you think they would be required to according to your reading of the law?

This is the law as it pertains to most Federal lands.

"Commercial Filming"

A permit is required for all commercial filming activities on public lands. Commercial filming is defined as the use of motion picture, videotaping, sound recording, or other moving images of audio recording equipment on public lands that involves the advertising of a product or service, the creation of a product for sale, or the use of actors, models, props,but not including activities associated with broadcast news for news programing. For purposes of this definition, creation of a product for sale includes a film, videotape, television broadcast, of documentary of participants in a commercial sporting or recreation event created for the purpose of generating income."
 
Maybe founder really was just wanting to know??? but the timing he brought it up seemed like he just wanted to start a MM brawl to draw some attention.
Founder knows that if you bring up carters, mosscrack, any big name killing machines that 99% of the time he ends up locking the thread or deleting it. SO it kinda shocked me that he would start something like that when he knows better.



<Stu Padasso Pro Staff

<Dixie Nourmous Field Staff
 
>LAST EDITED ON Aug-29-10
>AT 05:50?PM (MST)

>
>Do you guys think that these
>hunting businesses {Including this web
>site} buy these permits?
>
>Or do you think they would
>be required to according to
>your reading of the law?
>
>
>This is the law as it
>pertains to most Federal lands.
>
>
>"Commercial Filming"
>
>A permit is required for all
>commercial filming activities on public
>lands. Commercial filming is defined
>as the use of motion
>picture, videotaping, sound recording, or
>other moving images of audio
>recording equipment on public lands
>that involves the advertising of
>a product or service, the
>creation of a product for
>sale, or the use of
>actors, models, props,but not including
>activities associated with broadcast news
>for news programing. For purposes
>of this definition, creation of
>a product for sale includes
>a film, videotape, television broadcast,
>of documentary of participants in
>a commercial sporting or recreation
>event created for the purpose
>of generating income."


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I agree with Eel. Seems like a reasonable question and an innocent one at that. As for timing, I think the latest monster they got brought the question out. Lighten up guys, not that big of deal.
 
"Skin grafts".....funny stuff sarg7mm!!! Funny stuff!!
What do you mean they should have never missed, one of "your parties" stories was that they hit the buck, TWICE, before I even shot!
You/your party, whatever, is full of ____! YOU weren't even there! Your buddies/brother (whoever), MISSED!!! They know that and I know that. Had they even thought, a little, that they hit that deer, they would have walked down there with myself and the Sanford brothers. They knew they missed, that is why they walked away. And, I was there at the dead deer, I know how many holes were in it.

As for your post in this thread....Now you are saying between the two of them they had only 6 bullets to shoot, and couldn't have emptied their guns? Again, you don't even know "your parties" story. Your brother said in the origianal thread that between the two of them, they shot 7 times.

You see, what I think is that your borther and his buddy were so bummed and embarrassed about missing that buck, that lies just poured from their mouths. Was I really close when I shot that deer....YES....but could your party have got it....NO, NO, NO!! That deer eluded your parties bullets. That is all there is to it. I shot only after your brother and buddy shot, missed, and were goofing off reloading or whatever.

I WOULD DO IT AGAIN!! Whether ethical to some or not, I would do it again. Your party was done, that buck was NOT going to stop and start feeding again while they reloaded their rifles, and I was not going to watch him run off.

I originally felt bad for the guys who missed, because missing a big buck sucks, but after hearing the lies from you/them, I don't feel all that bad anymore.

Foreman4x4 - I can assure you, when all this happened, I was not thinking, "Hmmm, I better shoot this deer at any cost, cause I need to put a picture on my site". Come on man!
I could go dry for many years, not killing a deer, and this sites success would be the same as if I kill a 190 buck every year. Most people who look at this site couldn't even tell you my name. I hunt cause I love the chase. I did it before I had this site.

one_dryboot - I really was curious about the Carter's and their incredible success. The timing was what it is because I got a text of a 250 inch giant Jason killed. Out of curiousity, I jumped over to their website and came upon the "Staff Photos" page and was just amazed at the giant animals. I had seen some of the photos here and there, but it had never really clicked. I never appreciated just how many GIANTS they had killed...deer and elk. So, I thought I'd see what people had to say.
I guess I should have thought about it a little more. I guess I didn't know they would be hated by enough that there would be people who question what they're doing.
Like I said, I didn't really think about it. Believe me, I should be doing work that makes me money rather than typing all this.

OK, that's it. I need to work. We don't get paid here at MM unless we produce. The boss is a real ____! He shoots stuff that other people miss too!!

Brian Latturner
MonsterMuleys.com
 
Maybe with the the hunts that are currently taking place or about to, it brings out the ethics police. I don't think anyone would watch a buck run over the hill when the shooting stopped if they had a shot at him. I remember that thread well and all I can say is DING, DING here comes round two.
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-29-10 AT 07:27PM (MST)[p]>"Skin grafts".....funny stuff sarg7mm!!! Funny stuff!!
>
>What do you mean they should
>have never missed, one of
>"your parties" stories was that
>they hit the buck, TWICE,
>before I even shot!
>You/your party, whatever, is full of
>____! YOU weren't even there!
>Your buddies/brother (whoever), MISSED!!! They
>know that and I know
>that. Had they even thought,
>a little, that they hit
>that deer, they would have
>walked down there with myself
>and the Sanford brothers. They
>knew they missed, that is
>why they walked away. And,
>I was there at the
>dead deer, I know how
>many holes were in it.
>
>
>As for your post in this
>thread....Now you are saying between
>the two of them they
>had only 6 bullets to
>shoot, and couldn't have emptied
>their guns? Again, you don't
>even know "your parties" story.
>Your brother said in the
>origianal thread that between the
>two of them, they shot
>7 times.
>
>You see, what I think is
>that your borther and his
>buddy were so bummed and
>embarrassed about missing that buck,
>that lies just poured from
>their mouths. Was I really
>close when I shot that
>deer....YES....but could your party have
>got it....NO, NO, NO!! That
>deer eluded your parties bullets.
>That is all there is
>to it. I shot only
>after your brother and buddy
>shot, missed, and were goofing
>off reloading or whatever.
>
>I WOULD DO IT AGAIN!! Whether
>ethical to some or not,
>I would do it again.
>Your party was done, that
>buck was NOT going to
>stop and start feeding again
>while they reloaded their rifles,
>and I was not going
>to watch him run off.
>
>
>I originally felt bad for the
>guys who missed, because missing
>a big buck sucks, but
>after hearing the lies from
>you/them, I don't feel all
>that bad anymore.
>
>Foreman4x4 - I can assure you,
>when all this happened, I
>was not thinking, "Hmmm, I
>better shoot this deer at
>any cost, cause I need
>to put a picture on
>my site". Come on man!
>
>I could go dry for many
>years, not killing a deer,
>and this sites success would
>be the same as if
>I kill a 190 buck
>every year. Most people who
>look at this site couldn't
>even tell you my name.
>I hunt cause I love
>the chase. I did it
>before I had this site.
>
>
>one_dryboot - I really was curious
>about the Carter's and their
>incredible success. The timing was
>what it is because I
>got a text of a
>250 inch giant Jason killed.
>Out of curiousity, I jumped
>over to their website and
>came upon the "Staff Photos"
>page and was just amazed
>at the giant animals. I
>had seen some of the
>photos here and there, but
>it had never really clicked.
>I never appreciated just how
>many GIANTS they had killed...deer
>and elk. So, I thought
>I'd see what people had
>to say.
>I guess I should have thought
>about it a little more.
>I guess I didn't know
>they would be hated by
>enough that there would be
>people who question what they're
>doing.
>Like I said, I didn't really
>think about it. Believe me,
>I should be doing work
>that makes me money rather
>than typing all this.
>
>OK, that's it. I need to
>work. We don't get paid
>here at MM unless we
>produce. The boss is a
>real ____! He shoots stuff
>that other people miss too!!
>
>
>Brian Latturner
>MonsterMuleys.com


My only question is, when's the lock, deleting of posts, or ban coming? About that time, ain't it?...
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-29-10 AT 08:37PM (MST)[p]Foreman4x4 - I may be locking this one soon. I got to go hunting. I shouldn't be wasting time arguing with you and sarg. You're obsessed and I can't compete with that. You win man. I'm evil. I already gave in once. What more do you want?
Just pretend I already locked this one. Run off to your wife and tell her how Founder locked another thread cause he just wants to kill big deer at any cost. Founder gets rich killing big deer. LOL

Really though, any thread that goes on debating back and forth about someone for weeks, is probably going to end up locked. I have no problem with people voicing their opinions about me or anyone else, but at some point, they've gone on long enough and my job as a moderator is to say, "OK, let's move on to another subject."
I have no official "moderating training", but I've watched those shows on Sunday (and Judge Judy), and at some point, enough is enough. Even for me man. Whether me, Hatch, Mossback, the Carter's, or Scoobydoo, at some point, enough is enough. All input has been shared and nothing new is happening. That's when they're locked. Ya get it??

ONE MORE THING - Foreman4x4, shooting a deer after someone else missed. That time in Wyoming was not the first time for me. In the 90's, my dad missed a 32-inch 4x4 with a muzzleloader. It ran up the hill about 80 yards and I shot it. Neither he or I knew who the other that was shooting at the time. Even if I had known it was my dad who missed, I still would have shot. He later told me that after missing he scrambled fast to reload his muzzleloader, but while doing so, a shot rang out and that deer dropped. He was bummed he said, but then happy when he saw me coming down the hill. You know, missing sucks, but it happens.
Maybe that was unethical too, cause there is the slim chance that after dad missed, that buck might have just started feeding again and dad might have connected on the second shot. Who knows, but my experience with mature deer is that after a bullet or two has buzzed past their beans, they're probably not going to go back to feeding.
If roles had been reversed that day in the 90's and I had missed....then YES, I would have been bummed out, but it happens. I would not have been mad at dad for shooting the buck after I missed.
That's it, my edit. Was just thinking.

Brian Latturner
MonsterMuleys.com
 
I'm sucked in for one more post i guess. I don't even know how this got started. Brian when I say missed I mean the buck shouldn't even took a step, it should have been done and over, and the hole ##### storm never would have happened. The reason nothing was said at that time is tempers do funny things, sometimes it's better to walk away. the deer had enough led in it. No I was not there, I had rode to the opposite face to glass the whole ordeal. I'm sure if I was it would have been standing room only, but I was close enough to the whole fiasco to see what was going on. No you did nothing illegal, that is a fact, yes you definetly hit the buck the best out of everyone shooting. Had the boys not been as frustrated with you and yes there shooting i'm confident you would still be tagging the buck. Are you a bad guy NO, did you do something that our group would not have done YES. Do we fill like we were screwed NO. Do we care about the size of the deer HELL NO.
How i drug myself into this I will never know. It seems you have made a few comments in recent posts about that blasted day. When we have said nothing since the post was locked till tonight. I promise to never post or reply about that day ever again. It's turned into bullshit slingin contest again that gets us nowhere. I can only hope that there are more guys that would not shoot in that situation than would. I really like this site I think Brian does a good job and as bad as that day pisses me off I look at MM everynight, and am happy to do so. Its funny informative, I like it all with very few exceptions. As for how do the carters do it. I really don't care I hope the have piles of bucks over 250 high enough Evil and Robbie wouldn't attempt to jump it. as for me I wouldn't mind seeing a 250 on the hoof.
 
LAST EDITED ON Aug-29-10 AT 09:51PM (MST)[p]>ONE MORE THING - Foreman4x4, shooting
>a deer after someone else
>missed. That time in Wyoming
>was not the first time
>for me. In the 90's,
>my dad missed a 32-inch
>4x4 with a muzzleloader. It
>ran up the hill about
>80 yards and I shot
>it. Neither he or I
>knew who the other that
>was shooting at the time.
>Even if I had known
>it was my dad who
>missed, I still would have
>shot. He later told me
>that after missing he scrambled
>fast to reload his muzzleloader,
>but while doing so, a
>shot rang out and that
>deer dropped. He was bummed
>he said, but then happy
>when he saw me coming
>down the hill. You know,
>missing sucks, but it happens.
>
>Maybe that was unethical too, cause
>there is the slim chance
>that after dad missed, that
>buck might have just started
>feeding again and dad might
>have connected on the second
>shot. Who knows, but my
>experience with mature deer is
>that after a bullet or
>two has buzzed past their
>beans, they're probably not going
>to go back to feeding.
>
>If roles had been reversed that
>day in the 90's and
>I had missed....then YES, I
>would have been bummed out,
>but it happens. I would
>not have been mad at
>dad for shooting the buck
>after I missed.
>That's it, my edit. Was just
>thinking.
>
>Brian Latturner
>MonsterMuleys.com

Apples to oranges, but doesn't surprise me one bit that you don't see a difference.
 
Ive have been hunting the same area as jason and his crew and if feel that it is ethical to have people sitting on a deer 24/7 is right you have something wrong. If were all able to scout like the carters there would be no big bucks around. I've had them fly over me a number of times locating deer and when they are fly the scare the s... out of every aniaml around. Ever time see or hear something about these guys something unethical was going on.
 
Those planes do harass the animals quite a lot. I happened to be scouting the same area as the Carters this year. While I was hiking the area and seeing no deer, he flew over me with his chute plane. I decided to try the flying thing myself. I can totally see why he does it, I saw three different groups of bucks I would have had no chance at seeing from the ground. The bucks ran hard to get away, but I just circled around to get a better look and chased them over the next ridge. I was excited at first, but then I felt like I was cheating. All things considered, I won't harass the animals with my plane anymore. It's just not right.
 
Founder, your taken this better than most. I would have given foreman the boot along time ago. I think he argues with himself at night.
 

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