Poached Syracuse Typical

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LAST EDITED ON Sep-23-10 AT 03:04PM (MST)[p] Well boys, I got some disappointing news this morning from my grandmother... The giant typical hanging out in Syracuse, Utah was apparently killed illegally. I have some great video of the deer which I will post this evening when I get home... You guys will not beleive this deer's rack... pushin 200"

My grandma new I was watching this deer, both this year and last. Her very good friend's son works on the farm where the buck hangs out. The owner of the property has it posted No Hunting EVERYWHERE. He loves having the deer there and never wanted anyone to hunt him on his property. Over the weekend apparently, somebody approached the owner's farm house and notified him that there was an individual that was apparently going after the buck, or had already got the buck. A worker found the poacher's vehicle and got a license plate number but DID NOT confront the individual... If you are an MMer- I hope you rot. And just know that the police will be coming for you as your license number was taken...

When you see the video I will be posting this evening, you will all be as sad as I am... There are not many places where you can film a 200" buck from 70 yards... I will try and find out more about the incident. It is a sad day...

I'm sorry I do not have the video posted already... everytime I went to do it this week, something came up...

Also, I wonder if anyone else has heard anything...??? Maybe it was one of the 2 giant non-typicals that was taken...???


"Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!" 2 Ne. 28: 24
 
I'm sorry to tell you kid that NO HUNTING signs are NOT valid i utah. Look it up on the DWR's website. the sign had to say NO TRESSPASSING and/or PRIVATE PROPERTY. All the corners of the property must also be posted, or the land has to have cultivated ground, which by their definition means rows of soil turned over for plantning.
 
That sucks. There is no legal deer hunting in Syracuse, regardless of whether he trespassed or not.


Yelum
 
Travis hunter you seem very upset that mr browningrage is mad that somebody broke the law...was it somebody close to you or something? i think it's rediculous pud wackers go on private property and kill bucks on peoples land regardless if it's posted or not...
 
Travishunuter,

Are landowners REQUIRED to post their land? Or is it the hunters responsibility to know if they are on public/private property? I thought it ALWAYS falls on the hunter to know where they are.
 
Morning All,
This subject boils my blood that almost anything. How dare the fish and game tell me what I have to do on MY property. Do I post my ground, yes. Every 660 ft. All I need to do is paint a 10"x10" orange square on post or trees or what ever. A lot of my ground is in CRP and that is considered a crop so in does not have to be posted, but a lot of people don,t know what there looking at. Last year I had some guy shoot a deer at my mail box!! Shot it out his window with his wife driveing!! Said he thought it was state. I chased that guy all over in my feild with my truck at night, I was going to run him over and the deer. Being a hunter you should know where you are if not don't hunt. They have maps that show private, state, national forest what ever use them. You know for darn sure it's not yours!! I'll be damned if some guy is going to but the huntin regs. in my face and tell me I did'nt post MY property right. There are a lot of farmers that don't read the hunting regs. I can not stand stupid low life poachers and on MY property!!
gary
 
Well Travis, you'll be happy to know that some of the signs do say private property... I'm not going to go cout them for you... Also, ALL fields where the buck hangs out are either corn, or hay... ALL cultivated... ALL private... ALL Off-Limits to hunting... This deer was poached...

I have not heard more on the deer, but the farmer is very upset. He literally loved this buck... He loved that people would bring their kids down to see him in all his glory... I feel for him. It's like some small Syracuse treasuer was taken from us, and its worse that it was illegall taken...

Video coming guys. I'm sorry I don't have time to upload it yet... Just too busy today.


"Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!" 2 Ne. 28: 24
 
I know one of the farmers was approached and asked if someone could hunt his property if they fixed his fence. He told them he would allow it for 1000$ and fence work. I know the guy that asked for permission wasn't going to do it, but maybe he gave the same deal to someone else and they took it?
 
Take Xanax Gary it might help with the sudden urges to run people over, which is also breaking the law in the fine state of Utah.

Sit tall in the saddle, hold your head up high, keep your eyes fixed to where the trail meets the sky...
 
It is sad to hear about something like this. the thing that gets me fired up the most though is when land owners think that they own the wildlife that is on their property just because they are on their land. The public own these animals not you land owners. While the individual was wrong in doing what he did, he did not poach the deer, he simply tresspassed while killing this dear. If he had a tag for southern unit and shot it in northern unit then yes poached, or even if he had no tag at all then yes he poached. It sickens me when land owners get so irate and try to "run people over" because they think they own some deer that is on their land. These are public resources people! While you own the land you do not own the wildlife that resides there! You have every right to post the land and tell people to keep off, this i am not arguing....but the wildlife are just as much everyone elses as they are yours! Not trying to attack anyone personally or specifically, just sick of hearing about some land owner that got one of "his" deer "poached" off of his land.
 
lol....I believe Gary is in Idaho....where running poachers over on your property is perfectly acceptable.....



JB
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While the individual
>was wrong in doing what
>he did, he did not
>poach the deer, he simply
>tresspassed while killing this dear.....
Not trying
>to attack anyone personally or
>specifically, just sick of hearing
>about some land owner that
>got one of "his" deer
>"poached" off of his land.
>


"To Poach" - to take fish or game in a forbidden area; to take fish or game illegally; to trespass on another's property for fishing or hunting.

The deer was poached. While the deer itself may not have been the property of the landowner, it was still poached. And if you paid your hard earned money to buy and maintain a piece of property, only to have some non-law abiding hunter come and shoot a deer on it because he didn't care to look up the boundaries (or even care for that matter), you'd be pi$$ed too!
 
Think about it this way. The utah proclamation states you need written permission to hunt private property that is properly posted(see definition is the proc). If the hunter shoots and kills protected game on properly posted private property without written permission(even with a state tag for the area) then he/she is breaking the "laws of the proc" with regard to where the hunter can hunt, which in my mind is considered POACHING just like if hunting the wrong area/region. Properly posted private property does not become part of the area just any licensed hunter can hunt until written permission is given from the landowner. If the hunter is caught then the animal is seized just like a poached animal by DNR which stinks cause everybody loses. It's probably more complicated than that and of course its just my opinion, but that's how I understand it and it makes sense to me. You'd probably have to have some pretty good evidence if it were to get tried as poaching though.
 
I wondered how long before some dingaling mustered the courage to hop a fence and wack him. The last few weeks there have been many trucks with camoed out 'Houston Coleman's' in the area. There are a few other bucks out here who are also gonna be a big temptation for a few of the local mental midgets. So is Syracuse the new open zone for the Wasatch extended? The thrill of the hunt must have been risking the private property factor. The rest would of been akin to wacking a deer at the petting zoo.

You should of kept the photo on the low down until some wing nut came posting their big 'Wasatch Extended' buck.
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>I wondered how long before some
>dingaling mustered the courage to
>hop a fence and wack
>him. The last few
>weeks there have been many
>trucks with camoed out 'Houston
>Coleman's' in the area.
>There are a few other
>bucks out here who are
>also gonna be a big
>temptation for a few of
>the local mental midgets.
>So is Syracuse the new
>open zone for the Wasatch
>extended? The thrill of
>the hunt must have been
>risking the private property factor.
> The rest would of
>been akin to wacking a
>deer at the petting zoo.
>
>
>You should of kept the photo
>on the low down until
>some wing nut came posting
>their big 'Wasatch Extended' buck.
>
>
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I was thinking the same thing...the sad part is that there are quite a few of them that think it is part of the extended area and have for quite a while. That is another question of when did the act really take place since they would need to have a general archery tag to even hunt it if they did have permission (which it sounds like they didn't) and it ended on the 17th? I heard about it on Monday so I am not sure when it actually happened but +1 on the "Houston Coleman's" in the area!! My guess it they took them at night, there are too many eyes out here at the zoo watching them every night and AM!


?The bugle of the bull elk echo?s through the pines, the north wind moans her lonesome lullaby, he hungers for the freedom of an eagle as she flies?somewhere beyond the great divide?
 
I'm sorry about the video guys... I tried twice on Sunday to upload it from my camera, both times it stated I had 45 minutes left, but that stayed up for 20 minutes and never changed... I'll figure it out and upload it here at work I think this week...

By the way, the typical is not the one in the above photos...


"Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!" 2 Ne. 28: 24
 
Funny I've been waiting for this topic to come up for about a year now. I have a sob story that might shed some light on trespassing. It cost me a good part of my business and a lot of money. Its long but you might be interested for what its worth.

We have hunted an area that borders some private property for years. We did the research and understood the property lines (you will never be able to tell the exact property line unless it is either fenced, marked, or posted and the only person that can mark it correct is the landowner). The foreman of the ranch relied on a couple girls to post his land. They did but they did it along a trail and not the boundary line. Which has caused a lot of confusion.

Last year my brother took a friend in to hunt the area. They followed what we knew was the boudary line. His friend ended up killing a real nice bull. On the way out with 6 guys 6 horses they ran into the two girls who patrol the ranch. They were on the boundary line headed up the ridge. The girls rode over to them and said they were tresspassing, my brother told them they were not that they were outside the posted signs. The girls said that they post the trail not the boundary because it is easier and that most people tresspass where the trail is. They contacted the safety office of this property and my brother explained what happened next thing I know I get a call from a sherriff saying my brother was caught "poaching an elk" how does someone know this without first investigating the situation. He asked if I knew how to get hold of my brother. I gave him his number and they arranged a meeting place to discuss what happened. The sherriff then decided to charge them with criminal tresspassing without ever going up to see the sight of the kill or investigating the situation.

In the report, the girls state that they were treated real bad, that the guys were all in camo and had guns and were real suspicious (there was one hunter with one rifle and he was decked out in orange) If I was someone trying to be sneaky I don't think I would have 6 guys with horses in broad daylight cutting and boning out an elk in an open meadow. I would probably be alot sneakier than that and wait for dark.

My brother explained that they were outside the posted signs. Now if you read the law which was made by the state it states that property must be properly posted on all corners and at any trail or road entries. This land is in the mountains and is not cultivated. How are you to know what the actual boundary is if the signs are placed anywhere from 100 to 400 yrds from the property line.

After a couple days my business name was then thrown in the mud. The girls started telling people they had stopped a poaching ring involving my business. I was pissed. I contacted every person I could with regards to management and they told me not to worry about it. Well three months later I lost my contract with them. I had been there 18 yrs never did anything to jeapordize my business. Some how I became guilty by association.

After all this my brother and his friend had to go to court. They met with the prosecutor who was out to prove something because his dad owns land in Idaho and apparently was always dealing with tresspassers. He made the stupid comment that the elk belonged to the property owner. What a Joke!!!

Finally after appearing in court the judge was able to recognize from the gps marks from the ranch that the kill was outside the posted signs. He dismissed the case.

Because of a couple lazy employees trying to cover their butts cause they never posted the property the right way my brother was charged with a crime, I lost my business, and a lot of mud has been spread about us. None of it true.

I tried to fix the problem they wouldn't listen. I offered to post the ranch the right way they wouldn't listen. We went up there this year and found that they actually posted the ranch the right way with metal posts across meadows, they followed the boundary line (Which went right where we knew it went) and after all that the kill was made right smack ontop of the property line.

Needless to say, Who's job is it to post the property? THE LAND OWNER. The animals are owned by the state not the land owner. Until the law is changed it is the landowners responsibility like it or not.

Our state officials are a joke. My brother was sited with a crime that he didn't commit because a sherriff who was too lazy to go for a hike and see the other side of the story.

People ask if I am pissed at my brother and I say no "Why, if I would have been there I would have done the same thing", they were outside the signs and hunting what appeared to be public land.

I would love to tell you where this happened but we will continue to hunt there and chase some great animals. It is your land, my land, everyone's land all the way to the property line. We actually took a real nice 372 bull that made the mistake and came off the ranch to bed on public land :)

I know this has nothing to do with the Syracuse buck but I'm glad I got to share my story.
 
g4, it's funny you mention idaho trespass laws. below is an email that i sent idaho f&g a couple years ago after being caught in a situation that i walked away from....a ton of elk! should have hunted them, but i decided to play it safe. i suggest every idaho hunter print this out and keep it in their pack. it's straight from fish and game. the only thing i removed was my personal email address. read from the bottom up.

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Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 11:07 AM
To: IDFGINFO
Subject: RE: trespass information

To Whom It May Concern:

First, I want to apologize for taking so long to respond. I have been out of my office these past few weeks.

There are two particular laws in title 36, which is the title of law that addresses Idaho Fish and Game laws. I have copied and pasted these laws below, and I think are comprehensive and should answer your questions.

As you read these keep these thoughts in mind:

If the property is cultivated (any crop, including hay) you are required to have permission regardless of the posting

You mentioned this in your question that you understand it is best to have permission, which is true and I encourage to do

RECREATIONAL TRESPASS -- LANDHOLDER LIABILITY LIMITED 36-1602. HUNTING ON CULTIVATED, POSTED, OR ENCLOSED LANDS WITHOUT PERMISSION. No person shall hunt with a dog or weapon upon lands of another that are cultivated, posted, or enclosed by fences of any description sufficient to show the boundaries of the land enclosed without first obtaining permission from the owner or occupant thereof or his agent. Any person so hunting shall be responsible to the owner of said lands for all damages. Any person or persons violating the provisions of this section resulting in injuring or killing any livestock on said lands shall be found guilty in accordance with section 36-1401, Idaho Code.

RECREATIONAL TRESPASS -- LANDHOLDER LIABILITY LIMITED 36-1603. TRESPASSING ON CULTIVATED LANDS OR IN VIOLATION OF WARNING SIGNS-- POSTING OF PUBLIC LANDS. (a) No person shall enter the real property of another and shoot any weapon or enter such property for the purposes of hunting, retrieving wildlife, fishing or trapping, without the permission of the owner or person in charge of the property, which property is either cultivated or posted with legible "No Trespassing" signs, is posted with a minimum of one hundred (100) square inches of fluorescent orange paint except that when metal fence posts are used, the entire post must be painted fluorescent orange, or other notices of like meaning, placed in a conspicuous manner on or near all boundaries at intervals of not less than one (1) sign, paint area or notice per six hundred sixty (660) feet provided that where the geographical configuration of the real property is such that entry can reasonably be made only at certain points of access, such property is posted sufficiently for all purposes of this subsection if said signs, paint areas or notices are posted at such points of access. For the purposes of this section,"cultivated" shall mean soil that is being or has been prepared by loosening or breaking up for the raising of crops, or used for the raising of crops, or artificially irrigated pasturage. No person shall fail to depart immediately from the real property of another after being notified in writing or orally by the owner of the real property or the owner's authorized agent. (b)No person shall post, sign, or indicate that any public lands within this state, not held under an exclusive control lease, are privately owned lands.

Sincerely,

Chris Wright

Assistant Bureau Chief ? Enforcement

Idaho Fish and Game Department




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From:
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 9:08 PM
To: IDFGINFO
Subject: trespass information

To whom it may concern:

I would like to have a better understanding of the Idaho trespass laws that are published in the IDFG hunting regulations. If I come across a property with poorly maintained fences, fence posts with just the tips painted or no paint at all, no visible signs, and orange paint on trees and rocks, what am I expected to do? I assume the property is private but the owners have failed to "properly" post this non-cultivated land. I am watching 200 head of elk laying 300 yards across a boundary that I am unsure if I can cross. According to the trespass laws in the regulations, I can pursue these animals, correct? This was a recent situation that I encountered and am frustrated because I think I can hunt them, but want to know for sure, so I do not access the land. I realize the ideal situation is to be granted permission, but that is not always the case. Sometimes you stumble across private/fenced land. Is it my responsibility to walk at least 660 feet to look for 100 sq. inch signs or fence posts that have been fully painted in fluorescent orange? Is it not the responsibility of the land owner as well to follow the law and fully post their property? I am not trying to stir anything up, but rather looking for anwers to situations that I and many others face every year. Please respond as detailed as possible to try and help clear this up for me. Thank you very much for your time.
 
That's a great idea one I will do for sure. I was actually referring to Utah State Law but it looks like Idaho is the same way. I don't know how many times I run across fences in the forest that are simply for grazing purposes or were put up who knows how long ago. How can anyone argue it is the hunters responsibility, it is plain and simple the landowner's job to do it if he doesn't want people on his property.
 

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