B bop, I know And have come to appiciate and understand your sense of humor! I hate to admit it, but I am 27 years old and have killed a few deer three of wich that are 150-155. 1 with a bow, 1 with muzz, and 1 rifle. I will probly get crap for this but the 170 mark is also cause that is what my wifes last general season buck was. So to stay feeling like the man of the house I can't shoot smaller, and she won't!!!!