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bigbucksforever
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Just heard of some guys that were headed down to hunt does on the Pausagaunt today. WOW! I wonder why we don't have any deer. The DWR are freaking idiots!!!
Come on, you all should know the secret by now. This is how they get their Buck:doe ratio to the desired levels.
Then next summer they come to you and say look what we did! You hunters now have a 35:100 buck - doe ratio.
Eventually it will be exactly 35 bucks to 100 does on every unit with 9 buck tags each year and 10 doe tags each year to compensate for the new fawns born every spring ;-)
Mntman
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Then next summer they come to you and say look what we did! You hunters now have a 35:100 buck - doe ratio.
Eventually it will be exactly 35 bucks to 100 does on every unit with 9 buck tags each year and 10 doe tags each year to compensate for the new fawns born every spring ;-)
Mntman
"Hunting is where you prove yourself"
cannonball
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I went to the Pauns a couple of weeks ago. Seen a lot less doe than I have seen down there at this time other years.
A few years ago I was in the dedicated program. We were fixing the fence around the guzzler, by the Mustang Pond. There was a DWR biologist with us. At lunch time we were sitting there and he pointed over to some pinion trees that had the bottoms removed from either cows or deer. He said see that, there are to many deer for the range. All of the deer down there are in fantastic shape. Go away from the water and the brouse was old and the trees were not eaten at the bottom.
Dillon, if you're graduating in game managment and get a job in Utah I hope you can think outside of the "college box" and not agree with every thing your co-harts tell you. Politicians who spend all of their time with politicians, think like politicans and that goes for game managment people also. I hope you get the drift.
A few years ago I was in the dedicated program. We were fixing the fence around the guzzler, by the Mustang Pond. There was a DWR biologist with us. At lunch time we were sitting there and he pointed over to some pinion trees that had the bottoms removed from either cows or deer. He said see that, there are to many deer for the range. All of the deer down there are in fantastic shape. Go away from the water and the brouse was old and the trees were not eaten at the bottom.
Dillon, if you're graduating in game managment and get a job in Utah I hope you can think outside of the "college box" and not agree with every thing your co-harts tell you. Politicians who spend all of their time with politicians, think like politicans and that goes for game managment people also. I hope you get the drift.
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Actually they were the juniper trees that was eaten off, not pinion.
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bigbucksforever
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The area that is being hunted is the winter range for a lot of the deer from the east side of Cedar mtn on the general southern region. I have hunted the area my whole life and this year the numbers were way, way down. Now they are killing what's left. UNBELIEVABLE! PLEASE PULL YOUR HEADS OUT AND LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE OUT THERE SEEING THE REAL DEER NUMBERS!
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TheElitehornhunter
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When you manage an area with higher buck to doe ratios then deer need to be taken out of the herd. It's pure and simple. You want more bucks then does must be harvested.
It's the exact same thing we are doing to the elk. We kill cows to create room for more bulls.
It's the exact same thing we are doing to the elk. We kill cows to create room for more bulls.
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bigbucksforever
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True if the habitat is at capacity. Been onthe pauns lately? Untouched bitterbrush everywhere. The reason for the management hunt is because buck to doe ratio is too high. Solet's kill some more does so we can kill more bucks etc etc etc. Idiotic!
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TheElitehornhunter
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Well that's the reason why. If the bitterbrush has been untouched as you claim than maybe the deer already know that bitterbrush isn't worth a damn otherwise they would be eating it.
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TheElitehornhunter
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BTW they don't give out enough Management deer tags to even wipe your own ass with.
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LOWCOUNTRY
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You can keep up your BS elite not many that hunt down south will agree with you. You have no clue wth has gone on down here thats for damn sure and if you think the browse on the pauns isnt worth a damn youve never been there. Or were to dumb to know what good feed is. IM CONVINCED YOU ARE HIGH!!!
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Ive been roaming the same Pauns winter range for over 25 years now. The over all deer numbers that I see over many hours and days spent out there between late oct thru jan are less and less every year. The F&G insist it is still above carrying capacity. That is the reason for the management hunts and part of the reason for the doe hunts. The other reason stated is highway mortality on the Buckskin and depredation around Mt Carmel. I usually accept the DWRs reasoning because I figure there educated and know what there doing. I think there wrong on this unit. In all my days Ive never seen a starving deer on the unit. Canonball I helped build that fence around the Buckskin trick tank and remember the talk from Norm Mckee(I think). I agree the browse in a few areas around the limited water sources out there was pretty shot. The thing is once the snow hits the deer disperse and make use of the whole North end . In the heyday the Pauns herd was estimated over 7500 animals. The current objective is 5900 head. I think they are way under that . Last I heard they dont. I just know every year I see less and less. We shouldnt be hunting the doe. I will say there is a shitload of habitat work being done on the unit. Maybe some day they will see fit to grow the herd.
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TheElitehornhunter
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Hahaha you sure haven't. I have been all OVER the Pauns and I hunted in the Alton CWMU.
