Muley_73
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I just wanted to point out a couple differences with Tony and the average hunter in Utah.
Tony recently started a post that asked how many deer you had shot in Utah. His answer was only 2 bucks in 22 years. When asked about other hunts he went on the list was long. Mostly hunts that Tony has purchased out of state or out the country. He also listed an astonishing list of bonus points he is building. I would dare say over $10,000 in application fees and bonus point fees?
When I talked to Tony after the WB meeting he told me he was not concernced about hunting in Utah for himself. If he wanted to have a good hunt he would go purchase a conservation or landowner tag somewhere? He informed my he was off the Mexico shortly to shoot a giant buck.
Tony's only concern in Utah is that more people have a tag. Why is that? Maybe if we issue 200,000 more tags more radio listerns? More retail? I don't know but however many you throw in Tony is fine with that because if he wants a "good" hunt he will just got out of state and buy a conservation tag, or landowner tag! Is that common to average joe in Utah? Surely not how I think about my upcoming hunting future.
Tony why are you so against the average hunter having a quality hunt in the state of Utah? Don't throw out the biology issue because that is only a scare tatic used by non supporters, DWR included. NO REASON THAT BIOLOGICALLY SOUND PRACTICES CAN NOT BE USED ON A 29 UNIT SYSTEM! If the DWR chooses to not implement biologically sound practices on 29 units why should be believe they will on a region system? There's not! They have to do their job better! If 18 buck per 100 does will keep the herd form growning, tell me how our elk herds have exploded with much higher bull to cow ratios? There is not biological backing on an exact number of buck to doe ratio that would start to shrink your herd. It is habitat that can carry the animals. Why can we manage habitat on an open state system better than on a 29 unit system?
The only real gripe is that hunters may not be able to hunt every year! Lets do what 70% want that you refer to! Give them all a tag, lets open it back to OTC. Do you really think that will be healthy for our deer herds? 13,000 tags cut by the WB in 2012, 40,000 tags cut by SFW in 1993 all true. What about the 88,000 that quit hunting form 1983 to 1993. All while the state was growing. We should have been gaining hunters! Our deer herds were at 600,000 to 500,000 then. Yet 88,000 quit hunting because the quality was so low. Those are all facts! Well the state has exploded since 1993 and the deer herds have shrunk! We have to draw the line somewhere! Ya that sucks but necessary to help the herds. My kid deserves to hunt as much as any kid, but not at the expense of our resources future!
While Tony goes and hunts where ever he wants to. Most of us are left here in Utah to deal with what he says he does not care about because he will just go hunt where he wants to.
There are not enough deer in Utah...FOR REAL.
Tony recently started a post that asked how many deer you had shot in Utah. His answer was only 2 bucks in 22 years. When asked about other hunts he went on the list was long. Mostly hunts that Tony has purchased out of state or out the country. He also listed an astonishing list of bonus points he is building. I would dare say over $10,000 in application fees and bonus point fees?
When I talked to Tony after the WB meeting he told me he was not concernced about hunting in Utah for himself. If he wanted to have a good hunt he would go purchase a conservation or landowner tag somewhere? He informed my he was off the Mexico shortly to shoot a giant buck.
Tony's only concern in Utah is that more people have a tag. Why is that? Maybe if we issue 200,000 more tags more radio listerns? More retail? I don't know but however many you throw in Tony is fine with that because if he wants a "good" hunt he will just got out of state and buy a conservation tag, or landowner tag! Is that common to average joe in Utah? Surely not how I think about my upcoming hunting future.
Tony why are you so against the average hunter having a quality hunt in the state of Utah? Don't throw out the biology issue because that is only a scare tatic used by non supporters, DWR included. NO REASON THAT BIOLOGICALLY SOUND PRACTICES CAN NOT BE USED ON A 29 UNIT SYSTEM! If the DWR chooses to not implement biologically sound practices on 29 units why should be believe they will on a region system? There's not! They have to do their job better! If 18 buck per 100 does will keep the herd form growning, tell me how our elk herds have exploded with much higher bull to cow ratios? There is not biological backing on an exact number of buck to doe ratio that would start to shrink your herd. It is habitat that can carry the animals. Why can we manage habitat on an open state system better than on a 29 unit system?
The only real gripe is that hunters may not be able to hunt every year! Lets do what 70% want that you refer to! Give them all a tag, lets open it back to OTC. Do you really think that will be healthy for our deer herds? 13,000 tags cut by the WB in 2012, 40,000 tags cut by SFW in 1993 all true. What about the 88,000 that quit hunting form 1983 to 1993. All while the state was growing. We should have been gaining hunters! Our deer herds were at 600,000 to 500,000 then. Yet 88,000 quit hunting because the quality was so low. Those are all facts! Well the state has exploded since 1993 and the deer herds have shrunk! We have to draw the line somewhere! Ya that sucks but necessary to help the herds. My kid deserves to hunt as much as any kid, but not at the expense of our resources future!
While Tony goes and hunts where ever he wants to. Most of us are left here in Utah to deal with what he says he does not care about because he will just go hunt where he wants to.
There are not enough deer in Utah...FOR REAL.
