SO A 9 DAY HUNT IN 2011?

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In 2010 We had a 5 day Hunt to help revive the Deer Herd?

It must of worked?

The Herd must of recovered Quick?

Looks like a 9 Day Hunt in 2011?

WTF?

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Is that really fact? It's sick sometimes how foolish those who make the rules can be. Jeeezzzz, they vote to cut tags this year for 2012, but increase the season length so more deer can die in 2011.
I meet the DNR director at that Mule Deer meeting Tony had a few weeks ago. He said he was a MonsterMuleys.com viewer, so maybe he can tell us, "what are they thinking?????"

Brian Latturner
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Where were you when I brought this up 3 weeks ago. Frustrating isn't it. One last hurrah to kill off the remaining deer state wide.
 
Can't really say it's Fact until about October 18th 2011!:D

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LAST EDITED ON Dec-16-10 AT 09:56PM (MST)[p]The same guys who passed 29 units to control hunters also passed a season that is 80% longer than last year.
 
>5 day 9 day makes very
>litle dif.

your kidding right? 2 weekends? Thats a huge difference from 5 days.. Utah....... Ugggg


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Later, Brandon
 
My experience with the five day hunts is you only get one weekend. That being said a lot of utah hunters I know choose not to hunt sundays, and have to work. Leaving them with one full day to hunt. What i'm getting at is there not picky and shoot the first buck were on a nine day hunt they were a little more selective and not as successful. Everyone has there opinion about it nobody is right or wrong. I'm all for nine day deer hunts.
 
The Deer herd is in such Piss Poor Shape that it may not make much difference but GEEZUS!

We try it here for one year?

Pro's & Con's Either way!

Just amazes me We'd try it for just one year here where I hunt,maybe they think they fixed the Herd already?



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LAST EDITED ON Dec-16-10 AT 11:15PM (MST)[p]I see what your saying Bess and ut dwr makes no sense to me. I remember when pine valley was five days and the rest of southern was nine. Than in 2009 the whole southern is back to nine days. In 2010 it's put back to five days. Now for 2011 it's another nine dayer. Whats in store for 2012? How about spliting the difference makeing a seven day hunt and sticking with it. For at least five years long enough to get some results.
 
I have seen the different in Bigger buck after a couple of years of 5 day season, I wish they would keep the 5 day season.
Any thing to help keep a few more bucks alive for the next year crop Can't hurt.

"I have found if you go the extra mile it's Never crowded".
 
I agree, lets not have nine days to finish off the rest of what we have left. The five day hunt was actually working until they went to nine days in 2009. I hope they don't kill off what we have left but it does not look good.
 
BBop! They should have a 10 day season divided up into period 1 and period 2. Choose which period you want to hunt but not both.

Sell more tags that way and create "more opportunity"

Just trying to help.:):):)

Eel
 
Research shows that more bucks are killed on a 5 day hunt then a 9 day hunt. I will agree that maybe a few of the nicer bucks get killed that would have made it, but the # of bucks killed is not different. I know I actually hunt harder on a 5 day hunt, because I feel like I have less time. People are going to shoot the small bucks the first day if they only have 5 days. Where on a 9 day hunt they may pass for a few days, and then not be able to find one later in the hunt.
It amazes me how every hunter thinks they know more than the biologist,and people that do it for a living. Heck I should go be a doctor, because I know more than the doctors here in this town. Even though I have never been to a day of medical school in my life, but I see lots of sick people around so I am an expert. That is the way a lot of hunters think. They know whats best for the herd because they hunt for a week or a month out of the year, but have never stepped into a classroom.
 
Let's close it down completely next year! I am a lifetime license holder, and I would gladly sit out a year and also be willing to give the Dept. a $100.00 donation. I'm sure many others would be willing to do the same. I don't think some of those board members, or some of the Division really understands how few deer, Utah has nowadays.

I know they won't close it completely, but can't someone place enough pressure, upon the Board, to at least consider dropping it back to a 5 day hunt, considering today's circumstances?

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Merry Christmas to all. BB
 
+1 to the coyoteslayer.

All you guys must really hunt with a bunch of hardcore hunters in your area. I see darn few hunters take advantage of a second weekend ... especially if the weather is bad! I'm always surprized with the number of hunters that sleep in on the SECOND day!

I was in the field on the last day of the season this year (every day this year) and saw a few hunters but 90% of the crowd was gone. They all probably hurried and killer 2 pts and went home.

I've deer hunted in Ut every single year for 42 years and I can tell you that after the first weekend VERY FEW hunters are in the field! I think if the season was even longer that the harvest difference would be negligible.

5 days, 7 days, 9 days.... what's the difference. Reduce the permit numbers and save a few bucks!

Zeke
 
+2 for coyoteslayer

The DWR argued against the 5 day hunt in 2009. They had the data to show that the harvest on the 5 day hunt was no less than the harvest on the 9 day. In fact that option (5 day statewide)wasn't even on the table in the November/December 2009 RACs or Board meeting. That option never went through the RACs. The Wildlife Board caved to the pressure of SFW and their supporters (a few southern utah hunters as well as some bow hunters) for the 5 day. It has not been the DWR that has gone back and forth on this, it has been the Board caving to pressure from SFW and their supporters that can't do the math (or rather they hate the DWR so bad that they won't listen to the facts). SFW has got it wrong on this one as many others do that refuse to look at or believe the stats. 5 day, 7 day, 9 day, it relly doesn't matter, becasue the amount of bucks that are taken stay relatively static between these season lengths. Likely because of the controversy over Option 2, the Board this year didn't even question the DWR when the proposal was made to go back to the 9 day hunt. That was DWR's proposal for 2009 as well.
 
Good call out cantkill.
5 day hunt, no 9 day hunt, well 5 days in some areas, no wait 9 day hunt.
it just makes them look they are guessing and not using data.
I would like to see the data, They say They have it so post it.
 
Yes, I believe the Divisions estimate over all you yahoos that think you know what the population is without any post season counts or spring counts of your own, of all the deer herds in the state. And if you do a count like I have seen some posts on here, you do it one day in one small area. You think you have seen all the deer in that little area, but reality is you're missing some that you havn't seen. I'm not saying that 310,000 is correct, I'm just saying that the DWR has a far better estimate than any of you could ever come up with. To say that there is no way in heck that the deer population can be 310,000 just because thats what you think, is a bunch of bunk. If you think the DWR is wrong, then show the #'s yourself. The fact is that the DWR uses the best methods known, within a reasonable cost, to estimate the statewide population. Just because the data surprises you on what you think, does not mean it is wrong. Did it ever occur to you that some of you may be wrong about the population #'s?

Bowhunt - as I said before, you cant't lay the back and forth thing at the feet of the DWR. That was the Wildlife Board that made those Decisions. As I said before the DWR argued last year against the 5 day. And, Bowhunt, they have shown the data REPEATEDLY and REPEATEDLY at the RACs and the BOARD meetings. The problem is that some people seem to close their ears when the data is presented. Again just because, the data surpises you, does not mean it is wrong.
 
Utah should have 2-3 hunts like Colorado and Wyoming does.. I love the Sept 15th opening in Wyo.. Would love that here.. And choose your hunt/season!
 
Well Rackster!

You're right!

I can't count all the Deer in the State!

But if you think the DWR's count on the Yellowstone drainage is anywhere near accurate you are as full of BullSshit as they are!



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RACK good luck in convincing your self that the deer numbers are accurate, I dont buy it that you even think that it is close. But if you do then go out in the field more.
 
+3 coyoteslayer'. the south needs to stay out of the rest of the state. what works for you doesnt work for all''
 
Very little difference. I know several people that take off the whole 5 day hunt as opposed to hunting the weekends (4 days) on a nine day hunt.
 
B BOP, Cantkill,

I never said I thought the DWR's #'s are accurate. For all I know, their #'s could be way off. What I did say is this, "their estimates on the deer population is better than any estimate you or I could come up with". Wheather you believe their #'s or not, at least they are backed up with data collected statewide. That is way better than any of us amateurs can do. So, I trust their #'s more than your #'s or anyone else for that mattter.

Catman - I don't even work for the DWR. I'm just another avid huntin fool like yourself. Right or wrong, I just look at things methodically.
 
Well Rackster!

I'm gonna damn well Guarantee you one thing!

There are Hunters/Sportsmen/Hounders that pound areas way more than any DWR Deer Counter that know for a fact the counts are way off!

The one I really laughed at was the Hounder that caught the DWR Deer Counter counting Sheep tracks!

Now that's an original!



God is Great!
Life is Good!
And People are Crazy!
I love not acting my age,
Damn I love my NASCAR race,
And Hell yes I love my Truck!
And a good BBQ!
I am Medicine And I am Poison!
 
What makes me laugh is when some get on here and say that the division says people kill more on a 5 day than on a 9 day and people suck it up. Then when a unit is under objective on the buck to doe ratio there answer is to shorten the hunt dates for that unit. Huh makes alot of sense doesnt it. I for one dont need to sit in a classroom to figure out their logic makes no sense. I think possibly thats are problem is were trusting someone who has figured everything out in the classroom and spent hardly any time in the feild, but we should believe what they say cause they have a degree. The big problem is they lack common sense.
 
LMAO....geeze, some of the folks on this forum make it fun to come here! Of course, if one wants to know what is really going on, don't hold your breath...lol.
 
They don't have the ability to know how many are killed in either situation. Because they really don't track who kills what!! They have no idea, so your reasoning has little basis in actuallity.

Two weekends doubles the chance of snow, it doubles the chance for that one sat. guy to be successful with snow on the ground. He now has two possible saturdays.

Are you guys going to come on here and say that snow reduces the chance of killing bucks??

Even if 90% only hunt on Sat., which using your logic is what you are saying. You have now doubled the chances of weather spiking the harvest.

Some of you guys are just plain blind in your thinking.

A good way to explain having a 9 day season after reducing the tags is that it is just plain dumb.
 
Yup some are blind and then some.

Usually bad weather makes travel and visibility more difficult which reduces the harvest. After many years (42) of hunting deer in Utah I can tell you that weather will save some deer.

I certain cases weather will concentrate the animals making them more visible and accessible. But, this is usually not the case when we have bad weather.

I can also tell you that there were years, way back when, that I'd see hundreds of does and ZERO bucks! The herd is down and things are bad but the buck to doe ration isn't quite as bad as I've seen it.

My wish is to cut the tags in half, jack the price up to 100 US dollars and give us at least a 10 day hunt! I can only dream!!!

Best regards, my passionate friends,
Zeke
 
need 4x4. yes snow helps us hard core hunters'but it runs 60 to70 % of the rest home. so in the end it saves some deer..many people are fair weather hunters. if the weather is bad they dont even go.the dwr told me 80% of the deer killed. will be shot the first day' of a 11 day hunt.
 
OK Guys!

Let's talk about it!

The DWR admits the 5 day Deer Hunt hasn't done any good!

Why were several places chopped to a 5 day Hunt in 2010?

I know of one place that was a 3 day Hunt!

If We have proof the 5 day hunt doesn't do any good,why the Hell did We do that?

I've had guys in parts of Southern Utah say the 5 day Hunt has done some good!

But I think most everything is hear/say?

Do we have any Hard Cold Truth?

I know other Hunters that have hunted other parts of 5 day Units for years & they've seen no change!

We sure the Hell ain't trying a 5 day hunt on the South Slope just as a trial are we?

Or are we?

Some say that more Deer will be killed on a 5 day hunt & I partially agree, alot of PISSCUTTERS are gonna die quick that mighta been given a chance if the hunters had more days to hunt in hopes of finding a bigger Buck!

Another thing is:

With just 5 days I'll bet alot of Hunters took all 5 days off of work & Hunted?

Where on a 9 day Hunt alot of Hunters only go hunt the 2 weekends?

But We don't really have any Proof of Who done what for sure,right?

I don't believe the DWR has ever polled 'everybody' that hunted the 5 day versus the 9 day hunt to compare numbers?

In my opinion,the 5 day hunts would probably help if we could fix the other dozen or so problems with the Deer herd first!

Yes the 5 day Hunts mighta helped/maybe,but it'll take more than that to fix the problems!

I sure the Hell don't see where or how a 5 day hunt is gonna fix anything in one year though & then go back to a 9 day hunt the following year?







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Life is Good!
And People are Crazy!
I love not acting my age,
Damn I love my NASCAR race,
And Hell yes I love my Truck!
And a good BBQ!
I am Medicine And I am Poison!
 
Bobcat, bobalo, bbob, whatever your name now is....
THAT IS THE BEST POST YOU HAVE EVER MADE.
You nailed it. They have got to eventually get some facts and run with them.
This just seems like a guessing game.
thanks bob...good post.
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-18-10 AT 03:13PM (MST)[p]In response to post # 19 I've got to say B.S., what research. The state of utah does no research and until they survey every single tag holder in the state they have no clue on how many animals are being harvested.
THE STATE HAS NO FACTS BECAUSE THEY COLLECT MINIMAL DATA!

It is impossible to have a higher harvest when hunter days afield are nearly cut in half.
 
I have little faith in what the UDWR says. I can't help but to think they are lost, not sure whether to manage wildlife for the good of wildlife, for the good of the general hunting public, for the good of conservation tags prices, or for the good of revenue. I think politics and money play a huge role in the decisions that are made.

I also believe that if one looks hard enough, one can find a "biologist" that will back-up any claim. One year, one could cite "biologist A" who says a 5 day hunt works to save bucks. The next year, one could cite "biologist B" who says more deer are killed during a 5 day hunt.

This flip flop crap from 5 to 9, back to 5, then 3, then 9 day hunt stuff is foolish. They have no clue, they're just guessing, trying to grease the squeky wheel of the year.

Sportsmen in Utah probably need to do another march on the capital and demand that the governor get involved and force that agency to get their crap together, to leave politics out of the decision making, to get facts before acting. No more guessing.

So, that's my vent for the day. I also think Colorado was foolish for having their 3rd season later this past year plus increasing it to 9 days, but according to some in this thread, that probably saved lots of bucks, cause people held out longer, and then didn't get anything at all.........YA RIGHT!!!

Brian Latturner
MonsterMuleys.com
 
>Bobcat, bobalo, bbob, whatever your name
>now is....
>THAT IS THE BEST POST YOU
>HAVE EVER MADE.
>You nailed it. They have got
>to eventually get some facts
>and run with them.
>This just seems like a guessing
>game.
>thanks bob...good post.

+1

B-bop hit a homerun with that post. Very thoughful and though provoking for sure.

It's easy for me to agree with you when you feel the same way as me!

We all always agree that we want something better for our deer herds.

Zeke
 
I think you have made some valid observations Founder. The DWR does have to make decisions based on a wide variety of influences and considerations. It is unfortunate that they have to "grease the squeaky wheel of the year", but that is how politics and money works.

I have no doubt that the great majority of hunters in Utah care about the health of the deer herds, unfortunately too many have no idea what is going on, or how it even got there.

Many of us (hunters) have lost faith in those who are supposed to protect our wildlife resourses and the methodology by which it is accomplished/or not accomplished. For the first time in a long while, the DWR and the WB are feeling pressure from the hunting public--they know folks are more than a little upset at how things are going--and they seem to be scrambling to make decisions that appease for the "moment".

There is a grass roots movement afoot that I hope will be a loud and clear voice for the majority of Utah hunters, and in time, for all sportmen and woman. A march on the Capital? Sounds like it might be a good idea...
 
For the life of me I can't sort out why you guys continue to bag on the DWR over all these issues. When are you going to get it that the tag numbers, season dates, and management philosophy are all set by a politically appointed group?

The DWR has nothing to do with the changes of dates. They are set by the wildlife board. Their decision making process is almost exclusively political and has virtually zero reasoning biologically.
 
Well c3?

When is the DWR gonna Cowboy-Up & Start managing the Herds like they're suppose to be managed?

Why do we need umpteen Biologists if their input/info is wasted/useless?

Tell me this?

How hard would it be to make it mandatory that every Hunter in the state that Hunts Big Game Turn in a Census/form/internet form with just a few questions to answer,with 'Did you Harvest a Deer this year?' and a couple other questions!

All they'd have to do is this:If you don't turn the info in you forfeit your chance at a tag the following 5 years & I'll guarantee you 99%+ of hunters would turn the info in!

It's something that wouldn't cost them alot of money!

I know they do random surveys,but random surveys are a fricken Joke!

There are alot of different Hunters with different Thoughts on these 5 & 9 day hunts,we need facts & they shouldn't be too hard to get!

Until we do some major Coyote removal & fence projects I don't even think a 3 day hunt is gonna help!

The old Buck to Doe ratio BS got old with me damn near 20 years ago,looks like fawn to Doe Survival by spring would be way more important!

I'm no Biologist though & I'm not gonna sit around like they do not saying anything because they're afraid if they do they might lose their job!

It's past time to Wake Up Utah!

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And Hell yes I love my Truck!
And a good BBQ!
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I agree, stupid idea. However, I betcha every person who is complaining on here, and who gets a tag, is gonna hunt all nine days. I dare say nobody will hunt only 3-5 of the days.
 
I have a tag for 2011. Well it won't be here till next year. But I have one and I can tell you this much. I don't take time off work for a gen deer tag. So I will be hunting maybe two days on the muzzy, and maybe three on rifle at most zero archery days. So in two season five days total.
 
Ofcourse we are going to hunt the 9 days. I trophy hunt and 9 days will give me longer better chance of finding 170+ buck to kill, and if I come across one on the 9th day I will shoot it. That is our point, if you give me the time I will kill a deer. I have less of a chance in killing a good buck in 5 days vs. 9 days. You doubled my time in the field to find me a good buck to shoot.

You also gave the hunters that will shoot anything with horns more time to shoot there 2 point as well.

More time to hunt= more deer being killed.
 
So cantkillathing!

If what you're saying is true!(And I'm not saying it's not!)

Why a 5 day hunt on the South Slope in 2010 (to supposidly help the herd!)and now they're talking a 9 day hunt in 2011?

I don't get it?

I myself (even though I don't like the idea!)say with other changes the 5 day Hunt would help,but it ain't gonna help much until other changes are made to coincide!



God is Great!
Life is Good!
And People are Crazy!
I love not acting my age,
Damn I love my NASCAR race,
And Hell yes I love my Truck!
And a good BBQ!
I am Medicine And I am Poison!
 
Local butcher shops can tell ya if the numbers are higher on a 5 day hunt or lower on a 9 day hunt. NOT saying everyone use the meat locker,But a good deal of guys do and that number can tell you what you need to know, so pay attention to those numbers not some that are pulled out the air.

"I have found if you go the extra mile it's Never crowded".
 
I do not agree that more deer are killed on a 5 day hunt than a 9 day hunt. when they had the 9 day hunt a couple years ago i was out all summer scouting in 2009. The number of bucks that I counted from the summer of 2009 to the summer of 2010 was cut in half. True that is one area but you cannot tell me that 9 days does not hurt the number of bucks that are being killed. more days mean more dead bucks.
 
Bess, I might of not made my self clear on my post, I am against a 9 day rifle hunt. I am saying if you have a 9 day hunt you will kill more deer. 9 days will give me more time to find a mature buck to kiil. 9 days will also give 2 point killers 9 days to kill a 2 point. I am just saying more time to hunt will kill more deer, I don't buy that more deer are killed in 5 days vs. 9 days that is being claimed.
 
cantkillathing!

I understood your post perfectly!

Although that is your opinion!

There are others claiming different!

All I was saying is we need facts rather than Hunters arguing over what 'they' think is happening with the 5 & 9 day Hunts!

I do know one thing!

Only trying it for one year on the South Slope isn't gonna decide/change anything!

It has been tried in other Units for several years & I'm still hearing mixed emotions,some saying it has helped & others saying it hasn't helped!

I say we need the facts!





God is Great!
Life is Good!
And People are Crazy!
I love not acting my age,
Damn I love my NASCAR race,
And Hell yes I love my Truck!
And a good BBQ!
I am Medicine And I am Poison!
 
I dont know how you can get facts until every general deer hunter is mandated to send in harvest information. They need to start mandating it, return your tag filled or unfilled, if you dont return the tags you dont get to put in the next year for any hunts.
Then we can get some facts.

But both theories right now are just a guess.

I seen results on the san juan unit by having the 5 day rifle hunt for the 4 or 5 years we had 5 day hunt.
 
In Nevada you can either send in the questionaire that comes with your tag or you can go to their website and complete your harvest info online. If you do not complete this by the deadline you aren't allowed to apply in the next years drawings unless you pay a $50.00 fine. I think Utah needs to do the same type of thing and we will have answers to some of our questions.
 
I hope and pray they don't go back to nine days. If you think it didn't make a difference in the south when they implemented it, your dead wrong. You can throw whatever numbers you want out there, but all I know is the age and number of bucks the very next year was better. And it has continued to get better. Five days is plenty!
 
OK Guys!

On Post # 59 Here's a Guy & Family that has seen the 5 day hunt help some!

I know we haven't seen the 5 day help alot but we do have proof it has helped in certain areas!

In other areas there seems to be no change!

Guess I'll stick a GPS tracking device on Copper Boys pick-up for next years Deer Hunt!:D

God is Great!
Life is Good!
And People are Crazy!
I love not acting my age,
Damn I love my NASCAR race,
And Hell yes I love my Truck!
And a good BBQ!
I am Medicine And I am Poison!
 
In the new 2011 application guide book they clearly
state PERMIT NUMBERS WILL BE set at the May 5th meeting..

This, for the first time I know of, INCLUDES general
deer permit numbers....

The answer to this problem is getting general season
permit numbers REDUCED at the May 5th meeting for 2011..

My vote would be to remove the 13,000 deer permits this year.
From 97,000 down to 84,000 (or so) I think this would help..



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' maybe we should hunt just one day. dwr gets money. cwmus get more deer to kill in nov. and the ute tribe can start a late hunt like the old days. with all the deer we dont get' all of these quys should do quite well..
 
We all piss & moan that the DWR can't count or manage a rabbit hunt well.... why not listen to those that have observed (over a period of years)a success.

The 5 day hunts improved numbers and quality period!

If you want to go camping for 9 days... go for it! Take up fishing or rock hounding or something.

The DWR finally does something that works & everybody pisses and moans till they cave in and right back to a nine day hunt.

Crap.... Sportsmen are there own worst enemies.

Slick
 
I'm warning you again RUS!

I'll put a GPS Tracking Device on your Huntin Rig!:D

God is Great!
Life is Good!
And People are Crazy!
I love not acting my age,
Damn I love my NASCAR race,
And Hell yes I love my Truck!
And a good BBQ!
I am Medicine And I am Poison!
 
Been several years but I don't know exactly how many?

God is Great!
Life is Good!
And People are Crazy!
I love not acting my age,
Damn I love my NASCAR race,
And Hell yes I love my Truck!
And a good BBQ!
I am Medicine And I am Poison!
 
slickrock. in the 9 day hunt.after 5' if you belive that' go home.dont try and make people do what you think is right.untill we get rid of all cwmus and other rip off tags.the gen hunter is the big loser. no mater how many days we get.the 5 day hunt helps who right now....wake up slick they took you for a ride...
 
You hear that Slick?:D

God is Great!
Life is Good!
And People are Crazy!
I love not acting my age,
Damn I love my NASCAR race,
And Hell yes I love my Truck!
And a good BBQ!
I am Medicine And I am Poison!
 

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