Loving them to death?

eelgrass

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I keep hearing how good the deer hunting was back in the 50s, 60s, and 70s, and I know it's true because I saw some of it myself. I ask myself what happened?

I'm not a biologist, so I can't speak to that aspect of it, (although I have my opinions) but I keep thinking about how things have changed over the years. Changes that I have personally seen myself.

When I started deer hunting, we all looked forward to deer season. Almost everyone loaded up Friday before season and headed up to their favorite spot. We would pick out a campsite, and would mostly walk hunt right out of camp. Nobody knew ahead of time what to expect the next morning, we just knew it was going to be fun. Almost everyone in camp got some shooting or at least saw some bucks. By the end of the week, deer seaon was by in large over for the year. Anyone still hunting was considered kind of a strange bird.

The term "trophy hunter" hadn't even been invented back then. The guy in camp who got the biggest buck was just the lucky one that year, but nobody put him up on a pedistal or envied the guy all that much.

There were very few roads back then. If a buck escaped down the hill a half mile or so, and stayed down there, he was home free, at least for that year.

All was well in the deer hunting world, or it seemed that way to most of us.

Then one year California decided to have a special archery season. It opened up a month before the rifle season. I can't remember the year, but I had an old long bow and was up on the mountain that year. It was great! We got to see bucks in the velvet for the first time, and lots of them. I never got one, but it was fun! Me and my partner were the only bow hunters on the mountain that year.

As time went along, more and more hunters turned to archery hunting. New compound bows came out and soon hoards of guys were flocking up to the mountain. Then I started noticing a pattern. By the time rifle season rolled around, the bucks were pressured enough that they were mostly already driven well away from the roads, and down into inaccessable spots. But it was still kind of OK because when rifle season came, we knew we had to hike down to find them.

Then, all of a sudden, honda 90s and 110s started showing up. Now you could ride down to where the bucks were! Cool! Behind them came 3-wheelers, and eventually the four wheelers. People started making their own roads and buck hunting was no longer just fun, it was easy!

I don't know how or when it happened but sometime somebody decided to hunt just for big bucks, the bigger the better. In todays media, certain people got lots of recognition, and humans being competitive like we are, and the "trophy hunter" thing really took off. I'm sure it always existed in local areas, but now because of the internet it's become huge. You can kill a big buck in the morning, and everybody in the world can see a photo of it that night. That's great for the ego!

Along about that time someone decided we needed a special muzzleloader season, just for the die hard traditionalists, of course. It is growing now much like archery did years ago.

At some point the Fish & Game noticed a decline in some deer herds, for whatever reason. Their solution was to limit the number of hunters by having a drawing for the "Limited Entry" unit. As the herds rebounded, it soon became the "coveted tag" thing that we know today. This added more fuel to the "trophy hunter" fire. Now days we have limited entry units specifically designed and set aside for trophy animals.

Back in the old days there was some poaching going on, no doubt about it. The vast majority of it was old barren does that were taken for meat. I never heard of anyone killing a big buck out of season. That would have been unthinkable back then.

We still have lots of good deer hunting today, but it sure has changed. I guess it's the natural progression of things in the modern world. It sure seems more like a profession than a sport, to me at least. I surely do miss the old days, and the simple good times.

I'm not trashing anyone here. I'm a part of it myself, but it's amazing to me that we haven't loved our poor deer to death. And it does add to the challenges of managing for the future. I'm also sure that the many changes have driven a lot of people completely out of deer hunting, and that is not a good thing.

Almost everyone says they want to do what's best for the deer herds, but do they really?

Eel

it's not a 40 incher but it's closer than the last 40 incher you posted....

JB
 
You're a Good Man Eeel!

And a Smart one!

My Nominee list of the 'NEW' Big Game Management Committee now has your name on it as well as a few others on this Site!

Seems nobody wants to Give just a little here in TARDville!

In my Life I've seen several Good Units/Atrea's hunted down so bad they had to be closed,There was No Excuse for that!

Nobody wants to look in to the Future as far as tomorrow morning!

There are many Problems facing the Struggling Deer Herd in Utah!

If a Plan was put in place Harsh enough to Bring the Herd back I can't even imagine how hard the Tards would be Whinning!

When they still got their Opportunity but not a damn thing to look/shoot at I wonder what they'll say then?

I guess very few people can see where the Utah Herd is Headed with the same old BS management We've had forever?(Yes,I know some of you do know & I know who you are!)

It'd be real sad if Future/Younger Generations couldn't even see a Deer because this Generation Wiped them all out!

Yes I would love to Hunt every year,but until a little fixin is done I don't know that it's the best thing for the Herd until we turn it around a little!

Hopeing They can come up with a Plan that Helps!





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Eel-your a decade or so older than me,(thankfully) but I got in on a little bit of the good old days, I remember not being able to sleep one wink the night before the opener, no binoculars and a model 94 30/30, you just knew a big buster buck was going to jump up in front of you, and it would usually happen.
 
eelgrass
you got it figured out that was a great post you have my respect!
just wish more people had this mind frame.
 
Your right! I would also add to the loving them to death. The guys that go out taking pictures on winter range and the guys going out picking up sheds. I can understand their desire to do this but at some point you got to ask your self is this picture worth stressing that animal in the middle of winter? Is that shed antler worth running the whole herd to see if the buck loses his antlers when he stots?
I think both of these actions are harder on game than most people think. Ron
 
Very well said Eel! I was right there with you as you went thru the years and , Oh, what a ride it was...

Idahoron, +1, But then you are asking many here to use reason over personal greed. Others have tried yet none yet that i know of have been able to make any sort of reduced impact. There is always going to be an excuse...

In this respect, and not many others, Calif. has done the right thing IMO; Deer or other game animals, parts, sheds, antlers, or mounts have no value and it is illegal to sell or try to sell them.

Joey
 
So Sage, is that why the largest mule deer antler collection in the entire world is in California, because they have no value, and it's illegal to sell antlers? Sure seems like they buy a lot of big ones from around the country, just can't sell them cause they aren't worth anything in Cali.

Just razzin ya.
DeerBeDead
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-26-10 AT 05:48PM (MST)[p]Thanks for the comments all. I realize this is mostly the rantings of an older hunter, and doesn't mean much.

One other thing that happened some years ago, and that is this:

I remember when Kali auctioned off the first sheep tag. Personally, I and a bunch of others were shocked. I guess it was no big deal, as it was only one tag, and did bring in a few dollars. But what it did do was cross a psychological barrier, pitting rich hunters with not so rich hunters, using the people's wildlife for the very first time. One great thing about hunting has always been the fact that everybody was equal when it came to getting a tag. The wildlife belongs to the people, right? We're losing more of that every year.

Now most all the western states do it, some more than others. Tags are given to conservation organizations to raffle, or aution off, all in the name of money. I fail to see how just raising a pile of money will help deer herds. It seems the more money raised, the poorer the deer herd gets. But what they have accomplished is dividing hunters.

Eel

it's not a 40 incher but it's closer than the last 40 incher you posted....

JB
 
Deerbedead, i hear you! I don't know if i care too much for the law myself as i have over 20 animals hung in this room alone plus many sets of good bucks i've killed thru the years stashed in a back room pile. If i passed, i'd like to believe that my Sis could get something monetary wise for all the love and great memories that i have in these animals.

As it is though, it's not a bad thing. People aren't as well motivated to rip off our trophies if they have a hard time selling them. The big collections you speak of, would probably be worth shipping to a place where the sale could be lawful. I'm not all up on the laws, going mostly from what i've picked up here or there.

Still, i'll love my stuff to death!

Joey
 
Great post! I agree 100% I wish we could go back a few years.



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