WY guide requirement question
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Twoshooter
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I have had the same question. I guess it all comes down to how you define "accompanied", because that is all I can find in the law, but I could be missing something. Does anyone know if it means eyesight, earshot, same camp, same drainage? Has there been any presedent set or a clear definition?
BuzzH
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Theres a lot of people on this thread that are guessing...at best. More like pullin' it out of their a$$.
There is no real answer, as I've asked the question at least a dozen times to various G&F employees.
I've got everything from "you better at least be in the same camp"...to "just dont lose them"....to "be right with them".
I can tell you that on a 2x1 guided elk hunt in the wilderness a client will get some alone time, likley posted somewhere waiting for elk to feed out in the open etc. There is not a law that says a guide must never let a client out of his sight, let a hunter walk a ridge on his own, etc.
With no clear definition, I think the resident guide should be fine behaving as any other "professional" guide.
I think a warden would have a really difficult time making a case on a NR that is hunting alone in the woods, as long as a resident guide is in the area and has the guide license in possession.
I've obtained the resident guide license for several friends, and they dont follow me around...I dont follow them either.
There is no real answer, as I've asked the question at least a dozen times to various G&F employees.
I've got everything from "you better at least be in the same camp"...to "just dont lose them"....to "be right with them".
I can tell you that on a 2x1 guided elk hunt in the wilderness a client will get some alone time, likley posted somewhere waiting for elk to feed out in the open etc. There is not a law that says a guide must never let a client out of his sight, let a hunter walk a ridge on his own, etc.
With no clear definition, I think the resident guide should be fine behaving as any other "professional" guide.
I think a warden would have a really difficult time making a case on a NR that is hunting alone in the woods, as long as a resident guide is in the area and has the guide license in possession.
I've obtained the resident guide license for several friends, and they dont follow me around...I dont follow them either.
jarheadhunter
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Last year we went to the G&F with the same question and my Step Dad who is a resident had to go in and fill out a form saying he was my guide. I think it was like $10-15. I don't think they really said how far I could be away from him. As I used to be a resident and know the area I wasn't concerned about getting lost. We pretty much hunted together the whole time anyways so it didn't matter. I would go ask them for yourself and see what they say. Maybe have them put it down in writing.
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garywright
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Morning,
I hunt Wy. and I just can't even figure how they got that rule passed. I know or think I know that outfitters might had a hand in it but how they can keep a NR out of the wilderness area when it's a national forest. Doesn't national mean all of the country forest and not just Wy.?
Gary
I hunt Wy. and I just can't even figure how they got that rule passed. I know or think I know that outfitters might had a hand in it but how they can keep a NR out of the wilderness area when it's a national forest. Doesn't national mean all of the country forest and not just Wy.?
Gary
What if a nonresident became a licensed guide in Wyoming? Then he'd be allowed to hunt in a wilderness by himself. I have a buddy who lives in Nebraska and guides in WY... but to my knowledge he's never hunted a wilderness area. Not sure how expensive a guides license is there or how many hoops you have to jump through to get one but might work.
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D3006W
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Nobody needs a guide except someone hunting!! WAFJ!! I simply dont hunt the wilderness!
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BFM
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>I know a NR must hire
>a guide to hunt in
>a wilderness area. My
>question is what exactly constitutes
>a guide? If I
>hire an outfitter to simply
>pack me in and out,
>is that enough? Or
>does the guide actually have
>to hold my hand the
>whole time?
Been there done this ? Any non resident may not hunt the wilderness areas of Wyoming without a licensed guide or a Wyoming resident that has a valid hunting license. A guide or resident will have to accompany you at all times in the wilderness while hunting. Before entering the wilderness the person accompanying you will have to register you with the Game and Fish. If it is with a resident they can take two persons that are non residence per hunting season into the wilderness. If a non resident hunts within the wilderness without the previously mention they will be cited!!! Been there done this ?
>a guide to hunt in
>a wilderness area. My
>question is what exactly constitutes
>a guide? If I
>hire an outfitter to simply
>pack me in and out,
>is that enough? Or
>does the guide actually have
>to hold my hand the
>whole time?
Been there done this ? Any non resident may not hunt the wilderness areas of Wyoming without a licensed guide or a Wyoming resident that has a valid hunting license. A guide or resident will have to accompany you at all times in the wilderness while hunting. Before entering the wilderness the person accompanying you will have to register you with the Game and Fish. If it is with a resident they can take two persons that are non residence per hunting season into the wilderness. If a non resident hunts within the wilderness without the previously mention they will be cited!!! Been there done this ?
deerjunkie
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I was born and raised in Wyo and recently became a non resident there. 30+ years and now I need a guide to hunt where I grew up?! What a joke. I'm going to call them and see if my buddy and I both become registered guides if we can "guide" each other?!
nfh
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we have family that comes out to hunt. where i am a resident. and we have ran into fish cops in the hills and they just check for hunting licencse and stamps from both of us and where on our way.
so no problems here. and on top of that we go trough check stations just find and just say they were with me.
so no problems here. and on top of that we go trough check stations just find and just say they were with me.
npaden
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>What if a nonresident became a
>licensed guide in Wyoming? Then
>he'd be allowed to hunt
>in a wilderness by himself.
>I have a buddy who
>lives in Nebraska and guides
>in WY... but to my
>knowledge he's never hunted a
>wilderness area. Not sure how
>expensive a guides license is
>there or how many hoops
>you have to jump through
>to get one but might
>work.
I know that some of the licensed guides are not Wyoming residents. They can guide nonresident hunters, but I guess they can't hunt themselves unless they have a guide.
It makes a lot of sense! ;-)
>licensed guide in Wyoming? Then
>he'd be allowed to hunt
>in a wilderness by himself.
>I have a buddy who
>lives in Nebraska and guides
>in WY... but to my
>knowledge he's never hunted a
>wilderness area. Not sure how
>expensive a guides license is
>there or how many hoops
>you have to jump through
>to get one but might
>work.
I know that some of the licensed guides are not Wyoming residents. They can guide nonresident hunters, but I guess they can't hunt themselves unless they have a guide.
It makes a lot of sense! ;-)
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Dakota8678
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This topic always gets people fired up. My question is has anyone ever been ticketed? If so what are the fines? Or is this something they can hang on your head if you get lost?
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brutus
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Correct me if I'm wrong but hunters are the only people that hafto have a guide or resident accompany them into the wilderness. Meaning fisherman, hikers, sightseers, ect dont have this rule apply to them. This deffinately sounds like a person may have a case to challenge this rule if it only applys to one group of people and not everybody. If this is true.
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micahwyo
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I agree the law is to help outfitters have more clients. As a wyo resident I like the law. I can go to a wilderness area and escape the non-resident craziness that occurs in non-wilderness on opening week. Tried non-wilderness this year in H - mistake. 5+ miles from road. Met fifteen other hunters, I was the only resident. This has happened numerous times.
micahwyo---I call BS to your "met 15 other hunters 5+ miles from a road and all were nonresidents"!!! Were you hunting or doing a friggin survey? You would have had to stop and talk to every one of them to find that out and I doubt that happened! If it did, you obviously were not hunting very hard to take all that time doing a census IMHO!!! This just sounds like another sour grapes type of post to me and your first one to boot!
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I believe him based on similar experience.
Backpacked into H (about 4-5 miles) and I was with 4 hunters from PA, by the end of the week I ran into 10 hunters from Utah and 2 from Wyoming. So my experience was 14-2. If I was a resident, I think I would be hunting the wilderness as well.
Backpacked into H (about 4-5 miles) and I was with 4 hunters from PA, by the end of the week I ran into 10 hunters from Utah and 2 from Wyoming. So my experience was 14-2. If I was a resident, I think I would be hunting the wilderness as well.
RE: I believe him based on similar experience.
LAST EDITED ON Feb-10-11 AT 07:40AM (MST)[p]About 6 years ago I drew a premium elk tag in the Cody area. I grew up in Wyoming and had to move to Utah. So I was hunting as a non-resident. That same year the game warden from my home town drew that tag and I went in with him deep into the wilderness. He was legally my guide but I assure I never hunted with him during the day. Only time I saw him was in the morning and at night. I think it all depends on the warden. I even asked him and he said as long as we are in the same area. Touchy subject.
LAST EDITED ON Feb-10-11 AT 07:40AM (MST)[p]About 6 years ago I drew a premium elk tag in the Cody area. I grew up in Wyoming and had to move to Utah. So I was hunting as a non-resident. That same year the game warden from my home town drew that tag and I went in with him deep into the wilderness. He was legally my guide but I assure I never hunted with him during the day. Only time I saw him was in the morning and at night. I think it all depends on the warden. I even asked him and he said as long as we are in the same area. Touchy subject.
dieseldog
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>I agree the law is to
>help outfitters have more clients.
>As a wyo resident I
>like the law. I can
>go to a wilderness area
>and escape the non-resident craziness
>that occurs in non-wilderness on
>opening week. Tried non-wilderness this
>year in H - mistake.
>5+ miles from road. Met
>fifteen other hunters, I was
>the only resident. This has
>happened numerous times.
why do you think that is. maybe because all the NR got pushed to the areas they could hunt instead of letting them spread out across an area.
>help outfitters have more clients.
>As a wyo resident I
>like the law. I can
>go to a wilderness area
>and escape the non-resident craziness
>that occurs in non-wilderness on
>opening week. Tried non-wilderness this
>year in H - mistake.
>5+ miles from road. Met
>fifteen other hunters, I was
>the only resident. This has
>happened numerous times.
why do you think that is. maybe because all the NR got pushed to the areas they could hunt instead of letting them spread out across an area.
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Hooner
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RE: I believe him based on similar experience.
What is the find if you are a non resident and you get caught in the wilderness? I really have no clue. I hae heard two sides. One you get a slap on the hand but I also heard that there is a very heavy fine and they will take your vehicle and your weapon. Anybody know?
What is the find if you are a non resident and you get caught in the wilderness? I really have no clue. I hae heard two sides. One you get a slap on the hand but I also heard that there is a very heavy fine and they will take your vehicle and your weapon. Anybody know?
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micahwyo
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I guess in a way I was doing a survey. With that many people around the bucks scouted preseason were not very active. I did do more talking than hunting. Found out that most of them planned on staying a while, so we pulled out early, after opening morning. About how many posts do I need to get to before my information becomes somewhat credible?
MaineFlatlander
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I think that even as a NR you can hunt in a wilderness area without a guide...you only need the guide to hunt big game, deer, elk, sheep, etc. I'm just coyote hunting today. Just because you have an elk tag for that unit doesn't mean you are elk hunting otherwise if a warden shows up at your camp and you have a rifle there after dark you must be night hunting right? Or if your elk tag is good for unit x but you are driving thru unit y to get there with your rifle you must be hunting in the wrong unit?
I'm a resident, and I think its a dumb law but its a law, and I'm sure most wardens especially in districts with outfitters, and lots of wilderness will issue a citation in a heart beat. This law has been challenged and was upheld by a judge. I think if someone had lots of money, and a good lawyer it probably could be revisited.
The bad thing, (or a good thing in most cases) is Wyo judges throw a lot of 1, and 2 year hunting revocations with a couple of hundred dollar fines for offenses that may or may not warrent such a revocation. I'm sure the "just hunting coyotes" scenerio would get the book thrown at you.
Ask those 6 guys in Idaho that got busted with shed antlers. The fine wasn't big but the 2 year revocation probably wasn't worth a few 4 pt horns especially when Wyoming is a compact state so when suspended in Wyoming you can't hunt in 27 other states. .
The bad thing, (or a good thing in most cases) is Wyo judges throw a lot of 1, and 2 year hunting revocations with a couple of hundred dollar fines for offenses that may or may not warrent such a revocation. I'm sure the "just hunting coyotes" scenerio would get the book thrown at you.
Ask those 6 guys in Idaho that got busted with shed antlers. The fine wasn't big but the 2 year revocation probably wasn't worth a few 4 pt horns especially when Wyoming is a compact state so when suspended in Wyoming you can't hunt in 27 other states. .
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Spencer
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LAST EDITED ON Feb-13-11 AT 01:33PM (MST)[p]>why do you think that is.
> maybe because all the
>NR got pushed to the
>areas they could hunt instead
>of letting them spread out
>across an area.
+1! This is exactly what happened!
I don't have the money but I'd love to see someone challenge the law in Federal court! I can understand WY making laws on state controlled land but I don't see how they can control Fed land...even if it is within their borders.
> maybe because all the
>NR got pushed to the
>areas they could hunt instead
>of letting them spread out
>across an area.
+1! This is exactly what happened!
I don't have the money but I'd love to see someone challenge the law in Federal court! I can understand WY making laws on state controlled land but I don't see how they can control Fed land...even if it is within their borders.
