Hatch vs Moss

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Ok boys lets keep this clean, both have proved to be outstanding mule deer guides. But if given a free hunt and tag, would you go with Hatch on the strip, or Moss on the henries. Me Hatch on the strip, over the last few years he has killed some pigs.
 
I'd rather just have the tag...

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I would take Hatch on both Strip and Henries.Because he has a ton of great stories.

"I have found if you go the extra mile it's Never crowded".
 
Doyle is crying about there isnt 15 400" bulls he can camp on a real tag pimp! I might talk to a few guys that work for him but to sighn with him he would have to pay me.

Ryan is alot smarter with deer and would take him on the strip or the henry! He puts on alot better movie than doyle alot more class and isnt about the money he enjoys killing big bucks.
I would take ryan on any elk hunt over doyle also!
 
Thats like asking whether you would walk the red carpet at the oscars with Julia Roberts or Angelina Jolie. 1) odds are you will never go the oscars and b) you do not know either of these two to make a fair and accurate choice..You only watch their movies and read about them in the tabloids like this.
 
Hatch hands down. It really don't matter where the tag is for, that guy knows how to find big bucks no matter where he hunts.
 
NO offence to either party, But why not put in the time and do it yourself. You may not turn up a 260'' buck , but myself and most people i know, give more respect and credit to do it yourselfers,than people who show up and shoot.
 
Not saying that these two provide "rocking chair" type hunts for everybody but if you were to specifically mention that, like me, you're overweight, older, busted up, and don't get around so good anymore, they probably still could set a guy up on a really nice buck.

In my younger days, the last thing i wanted was somebody "guiding" me in good muley country. There was just no need. My best and most rewarding hunting experiences have usually been when i was off by myself.

I have no experience to base a opinion as to the better of these guys. If chance presented itself nowadays though, tell you what, i'd love going for a "ride" with either. :)

Joey
 
I hope that someday western big game hunters evolve to where its more about wild country, adventure, and how you hunt, not just who you go with, how big the horns are, or what named animal you killed.
 
Give me the tag and I'll hire Be_Bop_A-Lulu and his side kick D13er to guide me...not that would be a PARTY. And Eelgrass can be the cook and wrangler.

Brian
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If you were at the hunt expo a few weeks ago there would be no question which is the better deer guide. Ryan had monster bucks in every inch of his booth and Doyle had okay buck but nothing overly awesome in his booth. Doyle is the elk man, Ryan is the mule deer man.

The end!
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-26-11 AT 03:12PM (MST)[p]Piper,
Interesting comment when considering the OP's question is based on a make-believe fairy tale situation. Remember the question, FREE HUNT and FREE TAG? I'm a cheap bastard, so I fully admit I'd jump at an opportunity for a FREE HUNT. But when it comes to real life, you know, the real stuff outside the make believe question of this thread, the way I hunt is 100% DIY on public land which is as wild as they come. I do find who I hunt with is of utter importance to me though. My hunting partners need to know how to have fun. Because, to me, hunting is pointless if you can't have fun doing it. Given the choice between the 2 men in the OP's question, I think Hatch really knows how to have fun on a hunt.
 
BCboy- consider yourself very lucky to live and hunt in BC, our wild country is quickly becoming very tame, a land where all the bucks and bulls have a name.
 
If someone is willing to foot the bill for a hunt with both, I will give my most un-biased opinion after the hunt!!! :)
 
As others have said, just give me the tag.






the artist formerly known as "gemstatejake".
 
For the $10k it would cost I could hire my brother to film me, still pay all the local high school kids finders fees, and post the numbers and pics here for free and still have about $9k left over. But then how could I in good faith claim to be the ultimate hunter if I didn't hunt with Moss, or Hatch. Funny thing is unless they blow out of their comfort zone, whoever guides Antelope Island will be the ALPHA GUIDE, the state record will come from there. That is if the state will recognize tame, hand fed deer as record book material. Fact is for $20 most of us that live by here can but someone on bigger deer than either hatch or moss, and I wouldn't even need 10 other guides, or spotters, or helicopters, or whatever else. Yup $20, and $10 of that will cover the cost to access the island, the other ten will cover lunch and a coke. Of course I wont be sporting the mullet, or spray tan at the next expo, I would need another $10 for that.
 
Please excuse me if this is not true, but wasn't this Hatch guy accused or caught using a helicopter or something to find bucks a few years back?

Must not have been him or not true if he is still a highly regarded guide.




the artist formerly known as "gemstatejake".
 
I don't know either fella. I would just love the tag and the access to the country the big boys live in. It's more about the opportunity then the trophy for me. It's all about doing it myself.
 
Id take a Strip deer tag with Hatch because that is like his home. Id probably just want to scout and learn with him for a week, say in Oct. Then Id want to hunt on my own with wife and son and a Buddy.I highly Respect them Both and would do the same thing with Moss in the Henriesor with Elk in Utah. They are Both Hall Of Famers!!!
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-27-11 AT 06:25PM (MST)[p]>CHAD SMITH he's forgot more about
>the strip than Hatch will
>ever know.
>



Thats hilarious...
 
Hey kilo!

Bid & get the Antelope Island Tag!

They can't get too far away from us,they're on an Island!

I don't care if they're big or small!
If they throw lead I like em all!
 
Id take Caryn Moss on the Vernon, Hatch can be the camp biaatchh/cook. Doyle can stay at home and charge his spotlight with his Goal zero!!
 
Think of it this way. These two guys are the best at what they do. If they weren't this topic would not even be here. How could you not relish the opportunity to hunt with either one of them? Don't look at it as a guided hunt. Look at it as an opportunity to learn the deer, there habits, and country from the people that know it the best. Just my opinion.

Garrett Carr
www.atfirstlightguides.com
 
Quote: "hatch,
because he doesnt park 5th wheels across roads to block people.
-Cass".

I got quite a laugh out of this. I like both Ryan and Doyle, but if the stakes are high enough, they'll do it to you. I know because myself and a few others knew of a huge B&C buck and that morning we found Ryan's truck, blocking the road. We just turned around and left the area but another hunter was intent in pushing his locked truck off of the road. Ryan must have been there half of the night to be the first one there to block the dead end road. We were there before light and there were two trucks in head of us.

I could go on and tell a couple of first-hand stories of some other guides, but won't. As far as I'm concerned if it isn't "first-hand" it ain't so and most of this "second-hand" hear say is "bunk"!!!
 
A tag with no diaper changers needed.
Rather eat a tag trying than have 10-15 spotters finding my game for me.
My opinion.
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I like to "sit back and pop a cool one" and watch Hatch on the DVD's! Talking to him about mule deer would be like talking to Heff about p*ssy!!

Steve
Derkha derkha Muhammed jihad hakha sherpha sherpha abakhala- Gary of Team America World Police
 
The strip is the one place in the lower 48 I'd hire a guide...


Oh, none of the above would be on the list.
 
Ryan is reading this post thinking "what a stupid frigging post.". Doyle is reading this post thinking "what a stupid frigging post but, I'm the chosen one!"
My choice...Ryan and his sidekick Trev.
 
This is apples and oranges-

On the Strip you NEED a guide. Low deer numbers overall, lots of terrain, but HUGE bucks hiding out... Takes more time than most of us have to find that monster buck.

On the Henry's- you don't need a guide. Any yahoo can go down there and shoot a 190" buck... With a little scouting and dedication to your tag- a hunter can harvest a 200"+ buck without batting an eye.

Just give me the Henries tag...

"Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!" 2 Ne. 28: 24
 
I find that interesting that somebody would say "you need a guide". I do all my hunting DIY and find that the pursuit and intel part IS the challenge of the hunt. Hiring a guide is just letting somebody else do the work for you so that you get the "fairy tale" ending.

Nope no guide for me...
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-28-11 AT 09:28AM (MST)[p]"On the Strip you NEED a guide..."

interesting, indeed....my good bud's nephew has drawn the Strip twice in the last few years:

1st buck 195 typ; 2nd buck 218 NT with only one abnormal point, about a 211 typ frame

and nah...no guide
 
i would rather go at it myself and come away empty handed than hunt with either one.i do not know either one personally, but am not impressed with the persona that comes across on camera. i recognize the success they have both had, but they have not gotten to where they are alone. think of all the little people that have helped them and get no recognition for it. are we foolish enough to think that doyle has singlehandedly found all the trophy elk he has been associated with? or ryan with the deer? they just happen to be at the top of their own pyramids. i think hunting with them would be like driving cars with jeff gordon. he may have something to offer, but all he does is go fast and turn left. his team makes him what he is. no thanks. give me the tag and let me fail on my own.
 
if we are talking about fairy land i would choose to hunt and hang out with both. they have been there and seen it unlike most on here who bich and mohn about who has what and who dosen't .go hunt for yourself if you can draw a tag. if you can afford to buy one do it now, book a hunt and enjoy .
 
They are both welcome to go with me whenever they want. Not interested in signing on to go with them though
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-01-11 AT 07:48PM (MST)[p]I'd stay away from both of them and Book a hunt with my boy Kirt Darner. Any unit, anytime of year, any weapon, he can glass his country A$$$$ off, knows his way around a spot light and a dutch oven, can shoe a pony quick as a dog pisss on a red hydrant and he rewrote the farvin record book. Hands down.... the one... the only... Kirt bygawd darner. Hell he taught Moss a thing or two. Im just sayin!!!
 
I drew the strip in '05 & got to know Ryan Hatch a bit. As a Mississippi resident on my first muley hunt, I knew I had to have serious help to do the tag justice. Ryan put me onto Brec Bundy from St. George, Utah. He & his family and friends worked hard to put me on the monster buck I sought. They were all super guys & Brec eventually led me to a 35" wide 6 x 9 massive beast representative of that magic country.

I now hunt mule deer just about every year. Along with elk, they're my favorite.
I submit 60 apps a year & do a lot of hunts for all kinds of big game. I don't know if I'll ever match the experience I had on the Strip. Brec & I are true friends who keep in touch & plan to hunt together again. When he pulls the Strip tag, I'll be there.
I like Ryan Hatch, and I realize the big guns get the big bucks for a reason, but you won't find a better guide or hunting partner than Brec Bundy!
 
I think i would have to go Henrys

the guide is tougher...I think it would have to be the guide that would be willing to call me on my cell when he had MY monster found while I stayed at home waiting. I am not picky about how he locates it (by land, sea ,or air) as long as he can get some good live pics.

Next he would have to be willing to name it something really cool once he found it like "Fang" or "Hangtine"...nothing dorky like "four pointer"

Lastly , if he has a large posse trailing it until I get there he would have to be willing to leave most of them out of the kill pictures as I think it is really disrepecful to the trophy animal to back that far out with the wide angle lens.
 
Hey Dan- just wanted to follow up on my comment. I wouldnt hire a guide myself either. I stated "Need a guide" and followed that up with the time needed is more than MOST OF US have... There are many who would be able to guide themselves and find great deer... It seems that in all teh videos I watch about the strip (obviously put out by guide services) they play how hard it is to find a quality deer on The Strip. I realize this may just be propaganda.

Anyway- I also thought MOST people with strip tags hire guides..??? This may not be true though apparently..???

Thanks for your input... I am anti-guided


"Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!" 2 Ne. 28: 24
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-02-11 AT 12:17PM (MST)[p]4blade you about summed it up! What's the point of hunting at all just call me up and I'll come shoot it! Funny!
 
jeff, I believe we've met. Opening AM on your strip hunt, just before daylight. Pretty funny circumstances. "I think we might be hunting for the same buck." "I dunno, I'm just hunting for a place to take a crap." Congrats on a great AZ buck!
 
Thanks Kurt. Yeah that's funny stuff. I tell everyone bout that!

I know you're a heck of a hunter man, & I hated to hear that you didn't score out there, but I know you were hunting the Strip how a guy should & held out. I called Hatch asap to try and get word to you that we got him so you wouldn't still be lookin for him & could zero in on a different buck.

You were in my story & I read yours. I felt like they kinda complimented one another as a testament to that great place.

Stay in touch brother, and share some of your hunts with me.

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I know both guys personally and would use either one! They both know there stuff and get the job done every year. That being said, I would love to get a strip tag.
 
Hatch and the muley crazy crew hands down! They actually enjoy what they do. Doyle is about the dollar and has a good group of guys that make him look good. When the camera comes out Doyle appears and very rarely gives credit to the guys who do all the work. Ryan is a very down to earth guy who will talk to any one anytime if he isnt already occupied with someone else. He knows mule deer period Henrys the strip, paunsagaunt, old Mexico Colorado etc etc. He knows Mule deer wherever they may be arguably better than anyone! Who do you think Doyles first call is when he has a hunter on the strip or pauns. (Hint: Ryan)
 
If you really think Doyle doesn't enjoy what he does, you obviously have not been around him personally. The guy is a fanatic about what he does, and he does what he does well. The time I spent in Doyle's camp with my dad and brothers was something I will never forget. He treated my family with just as much respect as every client in camp and when I stated that I couldn't afford to have my dad and brothers there in camp with the daily observer fees but that it was extremely important to me to have them there, Doyle made it happen for them to be there which I couldn't thank him enough for. I have only been on one guided hunt but I can honestly say that I cannot see how anyone could possibly work harder for the hunters as Doyle and the other guides did. I don't know Hatch personally but I'm sure I would have just as much fun with him as I did with Doyle on any mule deer hunt.
 
Ok! Im all about DYI hunting. And there are a ton of good guides for either area. On the Henry's Id say no guide for me, and the strip unless you have a ton of time to scout, and a ton of time, Im goin with a guide. Vaquero Outfitters would be my choice. But back to the origial question, Im goin with Hatch on the strip.
 
Well said, Marley. I haven't run across a Mossback customer that has been disappointed yet. Congratulations on your nice buck off the Henry Mountain. It looks like you had a great time. I'm hoping to draw a muzzleloader tag there this year.
 
The STRIP!!!!!! Although the Henry would be great as well. Both are great guides!
 
honestly have either one been busted for anything? both seem like good dudes. I would have to go with hatch for deer and doyle for elk. their good at what they do and that pisses other people off.
 
Sticking to the orignal poster's question, I'd happily hunt with either of them. For a non-resident, you're only going to get one of these tags once in your lifetime, and most non-residents will never draw a strip or henries tag. With that in mind, I'd do this hunt with a guide. I do a lot of hunting on my own, but I also do some hunts with guides and either of these hunts would qualify for that type of situation. Once in a lifetime with chance at an incredible buck, the guide doesn't cost that much more than doing it on your own when you consider the overall situation, especially if you have limited time for scouting like me.

Now, unlike a few of you, I don't know either of these gentlemen. Also unlike the majority of you, I've actually spent a little bit of time actually talking with both of them in person, as well as on the phone. I found both to be honorable, friendly and very helpful. I spent a few hours with Ryan at his office in Kanab after my son's 12AE Kaibab hunt (which we did on our own), and spent a little time on two occasions visiting with Doyle when I was hunting Monroe in 2008. In my opinion, they're both fine gentlemen whom I'd enjoy spending time with around a campfire, and would love to spend some time with out looking for a giant buck.

I can go on any number of deer hunts on my own, and do so regularly. Unless lightning somehow strikes, I'll never get to hunt the Henries, but I should be hunting the strip in the somehwat near future as I'm a max points holder among the non-resident pool. For that hunt, I'll probably hire Clay Bundy, as Ryan recommended him highly and he seems to be a very decent, honorable man, in addition to a great mule deer guide. Ryan spoke very highly of him, and everything he said was confirmed in conversations we've had. That said, I'd still love to hunt the strip with Ryan Hatch.
 
"Hatch vs Moss"

Did you mean the hatch in the seat of my long handles or the moss that grows behind it?
 
piper dont know what they piss you off about , but like i said for deer HATCH and elk DOYLE they have done me no wrong.
 
I think I would check and see who was licensed to guide on which ever hunt I was going to do. Then I would do some back ground checks to see who has had more hunting violations. Then I would talk to people who have killed with both in the past and see what they had to say. Then I would hire moss or look at one of the other good guides that are licensed in the area.
 
>piper dont know what they piss
>you off about , but
>like i said for deer
>HATCH and elk DOYLE they
>have done me no wrong.
>
That one's easy. Piper is pissed at anyone who has something he doesn't have. Capitalism took his piece of the pie and he's been waiting for a socialist regime to make him whole again ever since.


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Lots of big boys taken off the strip and the henrys. Personally I would go with the strip. Sounds like more of a challenge, and I like the look of the deer that come off the strip better.
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-07-11 AT 08:28PM (MST)[p]Scopeitout- I am just complaining about the near complete exploitation of a publicly owned resource, namely killing high scoring big game animals for monetary gain, especially in these well known areas. Its become so competitive, so high tec, so predictable, that I hardly give more than a passing glance at the recently killed trophys from these outfitters. I don't care about Hatches past violations, I think he is very passionate about the resource, and many of us haven't always been perfect. I think Moss got the jump on the competetion by using finders fees, and both use whatever legal means possible to get their trophys. Don't take this so seriously, Im just stating my opinion, the trends aren't going to change, and its going to be interesting to see what this sport is like 20 years from now.
 
This thread looks like a Russian newspaper. I've never read so much bullchit!

I would go with either in a heartbeat, and most of you naysayers' would piss all over yourselves if actually given the hunt.

EVERYONE on this forum, who draws a paycheck, is SOMEBODY'S pimp or whore. Sugar coat it all you want, but the bottom line is the same.

The hypocrisy on here is boundless!

Hunting guides provide a service, just like Doctors, Lawyers and Indian Chiefs. Maybe YOU personally don't need/want their services, but obviously some people do.

"whackin' a surly bartender ain't much of a crime"
 
My only gripe is the attitude that everyone wants the prize without the work. To me, and ALOT of other hunters out there, it's the journey to the shot that makes it a pize. Getting your "fairy tale" ending by paying for it is a cop out, and not in the true nature of the sport.

No, I would not take the hunt, just the tag. And yes I realize it is a service albeit not quite apples to apples with doctors and lawyers (I am not sure about indian chiefs?).

It used to be that a hunting guide was a very skilled profession. He was a wrangler, a cook, a camper, a meat processor, and a good hunter. Things that most people could not possess the skills to do. Now, it is a guy with a car load of cameras, a posse, a chute plane, a camp trailer, and a big truck full of gas to pull that trailer.

Do I think it should end? No. I believe in capitalism. But, it is my hope that others try to look deeper at what hunting is, was, and should be.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and this one is mine.
 
For those that question Hatch answer me this question. Why does doyle moss have his name on his outfitting liscense but Hatch has his wifes? This is real and is a fact. I have heard about how he got in trouble and its a shame. I don't loose respect for the guy just would not trust him or moss. They are good at what they do. Just not for me. I like hard work and I would rather not use either to guide me. Ryan is good however about pointing you in the right direction. Can't speak for moss. There are multiple was to look at this. From a non-res stand point, and the personal views/resident views. Each to his own.
 
I wonder what B-BOP-A-LU-POO could do with a machine like this?

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Steve
Derkha derkha Muhammed jihad hakha sherpha sherpha abakhala- Gary of Team America World Police
 

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