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Sorry if this has been posted I don't remember seeing it tho
The email i got said it was seen killed in a fight? These were the only pics i got That buck is incredible tho
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Holy Hanta Virus!!! That is one of the coolest bucks posted here in a while!!! Someone has to know some dirt on this pig!! Thanks for sharing!!!
 
That's too bad a stud like that wasn't taken by a hunter. That's the buck of a lifetime.

Steve
Derkha derkha Muhammed jihad hakha sherpha sherpha abakhala- Gary of Team America World Police
 
The "dirt" on this "pig", as I understand it, is that this guy got gored to death by another buck fighting for the ladies....that's what I read in an e-mail with this bucks pics....for what it's worth.


"...I got a shotgun, rifle, and a 4 wheel
drive, and a country boy can survive..."

Hank Williams Jr.
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-28-11 AT 10:20PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Feb-28-11 AT 08:39?PM (MST)

Thanks for reiterating what was already posted at the top of the page:) Was this the buck rumored around that was living in the subdivision in 194-196? The "dirt" I was looking for was the score on that "pig" (AKA mule deer).

Nevermind, found it

http://www.monstermuleys.info/dcforum/DCForumID6/21149.html
 
There's a thread about it in the Nevada forum....apparently it got tore up pretty good in a fight and NDOW put him down.
 
It's true, a game warden by the name of Jake, I am not sure of his last name. He decided to be the judge and executioner on this buck after it was wounded in a fight.
I spoke to a biologist, from NDOW. He told me the fish cop that shot the buck is catching hell from the public, and the department. In my opinion he should be arrested for poaching the deer.
 
THAT IS A BEAST!!!

If he made a bad call on finishing the wounded buck I agree he should be in trouble but I don't know about arrested for poaching.JMO

Bill
 
This buck was extremely popular. I also don't understand how the NDOW determined they needed to put the buck down. I've seen both deer and elk fight and get beat up pretty good and still make it through to the next year. It's a sad deal as he was an awesome buck.
 
Unless a buck or a bull gets an antler through it's lungs I would think they would heal up. Maybe that's what the guy thought ahd happened, but who knows! Saying he's a poacher is a little extreme though.
 
I do know the game warden. I don't know the whole story on the buck. I do know that he is not a poacher, and has very good respect for all wildlife, and is very concerned for the well being of all wildlife in the state. He, for one should not be considered a poacher, if he did what he thought was right for the welfare of the animal. Quite harsh words, IMO.

Later,

Marcial
 
We've been folowing the life of this buck all summer. There is some major questions that need to be answered by NDOW though. First, they allege this buck was gored in a fight in the last week of December or the first week of January. The rut was all complete. If anything, the bucks were already starting to show sign of regrouping together by late December. NDOW monitored this buck all year to make sure it wasn't taken illegally. Then in mid-december, a cabelas employee advised me that an NDOW employee that was in on the surveillance operation of this buck had a late rifle tag for that unit and came in to by a crossbow. The NDOW employee related to him that he intended on taking that buck. The NDOW employee allegedly has the first or last name of something like "Kim" and is a male.

This buck was initially going to be put into the new airport wildlife seen supposively and was going to be done by a well known local taxidermist. This all changed when NDOW or one of its employees realized that this taxidermist was not one of their agents and would discover the cause of death while performing the full body skinning. Then the deer mysteriously was now not going into the Reno Airport Wildlife scene and is yet to have any press release done or any information officially publicized at all. All I can say is, I think something seriouly shady is going on with this buck and its cause of death. When a buck of this caliber dies and is supposively in the custody of NDOW, I think the public should know about it. When a decision is made to put such a majestic animal with major public eye on it down, the decision should have been made by top brass. By the way, this buck was living off of Timberline Dr. and Combs Canyon on the north end of Carson City.
 
Furthermore, NDOW allegedly has video footage of this buck wounded. As tax payers and voters in these hard economic times, I ask this; I urge as many people as we can group together to question NDOW on the unlawful killing of a monarch buck!! The stories and rumors behind the killing of this buck need to be anwered. If NDOW does not respond, I urge everyone to contact your local congressional representatives and local goverment leaders to urge NDOW Headquarters in Reno to do a press release with supportive documentaion (should show the video, it is public record we are entitled to) showing what truely happened to this buck. Additionally, who has custody offically of the horns? If the stories I'm hearing are true, it is possible that NDOW will lose a lot of public trust and confidence.
 
I heard it was killed by Kirt Darner who applied as Claude Dallas and drew a late season tag for another area, he's been video taping the buck for three years from a chute plane with 23 sub-guides from the Mossback crew sending GPS coordinates to him on a satelite phone.

After blinding the buck with a laser pointer he "supposively" shot it from 4000 yards with a 50 caliber sniper rifle, all under the watchful eyes of NDOW employees who were each paid fifty dollars in crisp, new untraceable one dollar bills.

The buck was "allegedly" to by mounted with ##### Cabelas favorite dog riding on his back and displayed at the Capital Bldg in Carson City in a trade he made with the state to obtain the land that the Cabelas store sits on in Verdi.

That's just what I heard.

I urge everyone with a valid fishing license to contact homeland security and demand a thurough investigation immediately!
 
NDOW should step up and release something on this. If you or I shot any deer or other game animal, because we decided he was not going to recover from a fight, you can bet you ass you would be getting charged with illegally taking a animal.

Try checking out what NDOW did when there was a ram with a broken leg in Elko county Nv. After several calls about the ram, with people wanting it put out of its misery.

This buck should have been left alone to recover, after an intense fight. I'm sure he was exhausted and thats why he was lying in the mans yard You should go back and read what I wrote. I said he should be arrested for poaching. I never said he was a poacher. He did not have a tag, saying he was a poacher would imply that he had been convicted of poaching something. I said "in my opinion he should be arrested for poaching".
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-03-11 AT 07:21AM (MST)[p]If there is a Dept. employee or employees involved, then it should be turned over to an independent agency for a full investigation. Then if the investigation finds criminal wrongdoing the individual(s) should be charged with a crime, just as anybody else would be. I find your use of the words poacher and poaching interesting though. It appears from your last post that you are merely saying he should be charged with poaching, but not called a poacher until after being convicted and that's basically correct from my point of view. Maybe you should have actually said "alleged poacher". That is normally how crimes are reported to prevent what appears to be a conviction before the charges have been proved and the person found guilty and legally convicted. As a retired Investigator with the Michigan Department of Agriculture, it was very important to use correct terminology in all reports to eliminate any pretense of bias against a person or firm which, in turn, could potentially be used to the violators advantage in a court case. As most of us know, many violators slip through the cracks and have cases dismissed just because of minor "technicalities". Anyway, I think all who have responded on this thread would argue that calling this poaching is a stretch if it was done out in the open with knowledge of other people. If the buck was shot secretly and the person was trying to keep the animal for his own trophy, then I think it would probably fall into the poaching category. Until all the actual facts are out in the open, I really don't feel anyone should make that kind of a declaration. I really hope that all concerned citizens in the immediate area where this happened get together and press the issue to put enough heat on the Dept. to get to the bottom of that great animal being taken down!
 
My opinion is since the deer was crippled or mortally wounded there were probably a trail of horn-hunters waiting for the winter-kill like a bunch of buzzards and the fish-cops decided to take take of the situation themselves...
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-03-11 AT 07:36AM (MST)[p]What a bunch of whiney A$$eS!! If the buck got hit by a chevy truck, a lot of you would be wanting to ban trucks in Nevada....This a website for sportsman...Act like one...
 
My honest "opinion" on what happened. I believe the employee shot it with his crossbow while off-duty. The buck got wounded and ran back into the houses. He knew recovering the buck, which is legal by the way, would create a major reaction from the residents in this area. He then called his co-worker/friend Warden Jake. They came up with the game plan that they would tell people it was wounded in a buck fight around the first day of January. This gives him the personal discretion to put it down so he assumes. All he has to do is articulate why in his opinion he did what he did. I have not seen any statement or press release on this buck's fate? Hmmmmmm, sounds wierd to me. I was in that area day after day to include the rest of the zone in December and January and never once saw aggressive buck behavior this late?? If this happened in mid to late November, I'd buy off on the story. I'm calling BS!!!!
 
I cant believe all the complaining. NDOW employees shoot animals all the time. They have to have a good reason to do so and I'm sure this buck was wounded to bad to recover. If the buck wasn't such a pig nobody would have a problem with it. I have seen many animals I wish I could put down as they were wounded far beyond recovery. I'm sure he did what he felt was the right thing to do.
 
Thats the whole issue is because the deer was so big. Did it really need to be put down, or did the guy just want to shoot a monster? I know they have to and should shoot some animals. But I have also witnessed the Utah DWR shoot an uninjured elk just because its leg was caught in a fence. Not all the killings that agencies do are justified.
They should give them a chance to heal. A while ago there was an article posted in here of a deer in utah that had an arrow sticking out of its head and they are letting it live to see if it will make it. This deer should have been given that same chance.
 
News flash. F&G employees have to put animals down all the time. If this was a two point, nobody would've even heard about it. I'm sure when the buck died, there would've been 8 trucks lined up waiting to cut the head off and take it. Maybe it should've suffered for a couple more days first.

This employee crossbow conspiracy theory is pretty entertaining though. Keep it going. I heard the buck migrated from Area 51 and that's why it got so big. Maybe it got beat up by little green men doing an earthling study.
 
We all know the NDOW has to put animals down from time to time. The fact of the matter in this case is that this buck was extremely popular. There were a lot of people watching him. I think it would satisfy everyone if the NDOW stated there reasoning behind putting him down. It's one thing to put down a animal that's been hit by a car or brokens it's leg in a fence. How exactly could they determine that he wouldn't survive after this fight? That's the question everyone wants to know. NDOW is a public entity, they should be able to provide it.
 
Just wondering what they do with the racks off these big bucks, do they through them away, auction them off or what.
 
I believe this deer is bieng mounted as we speak and will but I'm not sure of the display location. Some of you conspiracy theorists need to get over yourselves.

Its lonely at the top.... just the way I like it.
 
Sell them sometimes, have them mounted for display iin offices sometimes.

So tell me this. An NDOW employee, whether it's a biologist or warden, by the nature of their job (winter helicopter surveys, patrols on wintering grounds, etc) probably see more trophy bucks, bulls, rams in a couple of years than most MMers will see in a lifetime. Do you really think that IF they were gonna poach one they'd do it in someones backyard?

Koolaid anyone?
 
Don't waste your time NVB, they've already drank the koolaid and I'm pretty sure they mixed it with something.... the ones that don't want to be informed never will be. They'd rather continue their little b)tch fest so they feel better about their own poor life decisions.

Its lonely at the top.... just the way I like it.
 
Birds of a feather do flock together! It is funny how the NDOW employees are quick to say that there has been no wrong doing in the execution of a monarch buck such as the one pictured above. We know who you are, so you don't need to hide in the shadows. Just state that you work for NDOW and you think that everything that goes on there is above the board. What a joke! Since you are an insider why don't you ask all the people involved in this to release the info that the public are asking for (videos, pics, and reports of the ?mortally wounded deer?) biased opinions by NDOW employees don't hold any water. Thanks for the attempt to make us feel warm and fuzzy, but the wrong doings of a corrupt Government Agency should be brought into the light not kept in the shadows.
 
Strings_and_crap, I assume you must be referring to In_the_shadows or someone else when you say NDOW employee. I regret to say am not. There was a time when I went to college that I wanted to be an employee very badly but that ship has sailed. So I guess you can count me in the same column as you - Jealous as hell of the Wildlife Biologists of the World.
 
Question for you guys that live out there in the area where this happened. The thread has a picture of the Game Warden in uniform hoding the rack in what appears to be a G&F Office. Where did that picture come from and if it was released officially to the media, what was mentioned along with the photo? Thaks in advance to anyone who knows the TRUE situation on this picture.
 
Sticks_and_strings, who I work for and what I do for a living has no influence on my opinion of this topic. I was nowhere near this situation when it occured and neither were you. All that I have heard about this situation is the same exact stuff you have heard. My personal OPINION is that some of you conspiracy theorists are grasping at straws here. Just take a step back for a second and think about some of the stuff posted above... when I do that I come to the conclusion that it is a crappy situation and thats it. I wasn't there and I didn't make the decision, so I will never know.... just like you.

Its lonely at the top.... just the way I like it.
 
Hey, at least he doesnt deny he's an employee!!! Therefore none of us would ever expect a biased opinion from him.

Watching different opinions expressed, I think most of us rational thinking individuals would concur that we just want information and the dept hasn't released anything. That to me is shady, I think others agree. Lack of public information along with questionable rumors created this situation.

If we had to take the facts of this situation and that only, we all could agree that there is a NDOW agent holding that deer pictured above and we as the people have not heard a thing about it.

In my experience, FAILURE to be forthcoming with information or facts is never a good sign, especially with a buck of a lifetime!
 

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